Re: Thyroid and progesterone

[Guest guest]

Hi Virginia,

If the thyroid is suppressed (Low TSH) does this mean the enzyme is not

produced? Or is the enzyme produced from thyroxine (T4) or triiothyrodine

(T3) in the blood? This is a very important distinction for people taking

thyroid hormones.

K

At 11:47 AM 4/11/2008, you wrote:

Virginia,

Very interesting. It explains why, when people get their thyroid

fixed, many times their hormone problems will resolve.

Thanks for sharing this.

>

> I've been listening to CD recording of a PCCA " BHRT For the

Pharmacist "

> seminar given in Houston April 27-28, 2007, and one of the lecturers

> giving the " Endocrine Web " talk (I forget his name right

now) mentioned

> that an enzyme in the thyroid stimulates pregnenolone to make

> progesterone. So many of the hormones are interconnected and we're

> finding more connections as time goes on. Just thought I'd add this

> tidbit for some people to chew on...

>

> Virginia

>

[Guest guest]

A low TSH is not indicitive of a supressed thyroid.

TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone) is a pituitary hormone which signals the

thyroid to produce more thyroid hormones. The higher the TSH the greater

the need. If there are " enough " thyroid hormones available, obviously the

TSH will be low.

Sam

=====

> Hi Virginia,

>

> If the thyroid is suppressed (Low TSH) does this mean the enzyme is

> not produced? Or is the enzyme produced from thyroxine (T4) or

> triiothyrodine (T3) in the blood? This is a very important

> distinction for people taking thyroid hormones.

>

> K

>

> At 11:47 AM 4/11/2008, you wrote:

>

>>Virginia,

>>Very interesting. It explains why, when people get their thyroid

>>fixed, many times their hormone problems will resolve.

>>

>>Thanks for sharing this.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> >

>> > I've been listening to CD recording of a PCCA " BHRT For the

>> Pharmacist "

>> > seminar given in Houston April 27-28, 2007, and one of the lecturers

>> > giving the " Endocrine Web " talk (I forget his name right now)

>> mentioned

>> > that an enzyme in the thyroid stimulates pregnenolone to make

>> > progesterone. So many of the hormones are interconnected and we're

>> > finding more connections as time goes on. Just thought I'd add this

>> > tidbit for some people to chew on...

>> >

>> > Virginia

>> >

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll try to find the answers to your questions (about the thyroid enzyme that stimulates pregnenolone to make progesterone) from PCCA; hopefully I can get ahold of the speaker, as he is a PCCA consultant.

Virginia

-- " The public cannot be too curious concerning the characters of public men. " --

[Guest guest]

I asked the PCCA lecturer about the enzyme from the thyroid that

stimulates pregnenolone to make progesterone, and he said that the

enzyme wasn't in T3 or T4, it's on its own. He also said that if a

person was having problems with progesterone, the first place to look

is at the adrenals, since pregnenolone makes both progesterone and

cortisol, and if cortisol is what is needed, that's what pregnenolone

will make. Sometimes a woman can start progesterone replacement and

will feel good for a few days until a little stressful situation

arise, then she'll feel terrible and the P will not improve her

symptoms the way she's been told it would. That's because the

pregnenolone is making cortisol instead. It all comes back to fixing

the adrenals first, then the thyroid, then the sex hormones. But most

of us approach it from trying to fix the sex hormones and find out

we've got other hormonal problems, and we get discouraged because all

of this is costing so much and taking so much of our time to find a

practioner who will listen to us and follow the protocol we want.

I read a journal article out yesterday that really pissed me off. It

was called " I'm the doctor! " and it was about patients who want to

see all the xrays, test results, want to have everything explained

that the doc wants to do, and so on. This doctor was complaining that

he's the one who went to school for years and years and spent oodles

of money on his education. But he neglected to say that he's the one

who fails to keep up with his field's research and instead listens to

drug reps for a lot of his education. He's probably got stacks of

medical journals beside his bed that he's never read. What arrogance.

We are paying him for his expertise, just like we would a car

repairman. If I can disagree with the car repairman, and ask to see

the parts he removed from my car, why can't I question my doctor?

After all, it's MY body.

Virginia

> > >

> > > I've been listening to CD recording of a PCCA " BHRT For the

Pharmacist "

> > > seminar given in Houston April 27-28, 2007, and one of the

lecturers

> > > giving the " Endocrine Web " talk (I forget his name right now)

mentioned

> > > that an enzyme in the thyroid stimulates pregnenolone to make

> > > progesterone. So many of the hormones are interconnected and

we're

> > > finding more connections as time goes on. Just thought I'd add

this

> > > tidbit for some people to chew on...

> > >

> > > Virginia

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I asked the PCCA lecturer about the enzyme from the thyroid that

stimulates pregnenolone to make progesterone, and he said that the

enzyme wasn't in T3 or T4, it's on its own. He also said that if a

person was having problems with progesterone, the first place to look

is at the adrenals, since pregnenolone makes both progesterone and

cortisol, and if cortisol is what is needed, that's what pregnenolone

will make. Sometimes a woman can start progesterone replacement and

will feel good for a few days until a little stressful situation

arise, then she'll feel terrible and the P will not improve her

symptoms the way she's been told it would. That's because the

pregnenolone is making cortisol instead. It all comes back to fixing

the adrenals first, then the thyroid, then the sex hormones. But most

of us approach it from trying to fix the sex hormones and find out

we've got other hormonal problems, and we get discouraged because all

of this is costing so much and taking so much of our time to find a

practioner who will listen to us and follow the protocol we want.

I read a journal article out yesterday that really pissed me off. It

was called " I'm the doctor! " and it was about patients who want to

see all the xrays, test results, want to have everything explained

that the doc wants to do, and so on. This doctor was complaining that

he's the one who went to school for years and years and spent oodles

of money on his education. But he neglected to say that he's the one

who fails to keep up with his field's research and instead listens to

drug reps for a lot of his education. He's probably got stacks of

medical journals beside his bed that he's never read. What arrogance.

We are paying him for his expertise, just like we would a car

repairman. If I can disagree with the car repairman, and ask to see

the parts he removed from my car, why can't I question my doctor?

After all, it's MY body.

Virginia

> > >

> > > I've been listening to CD recording of a PCCA " BHRT For the

Pharmacist "

> > > seminar given in Houston April 27-28, 2007, and one of the

lecturers

> > > giving the " Endocrine Web " talk (I forget his name right now)

mentioned

> > > that an enzyme in the thyroid stimulates pregnenolone to make

> > > progesterone. So many of the hormones are interconnected and

we're

> > > finding more connections as time goes on. Just thought I'd add

this

> > > tidbit for some people to chew on...

> > >

> > > Virginia

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Virginia,

This is fascinating. So am I correct that, if a woman has low cortisol

she necessarily has low progesterone (b/c pregnenolone will be diverted

to making cortisol instead)? And if a woman has low cortisol, wouldn't

using natural progesterone help, even if it IS treating the symptom not

the cause? After all, progesterone cream can't be converted into

cortisol, can it?

At 11:41 AM 4/17/2008, you wrote:

I asked the PCCA lecturer about

the enzyme from the thyroid that

stimulates pregnenolone to make progesterone, and he said that the

enzyme wasn't in T3 or T4, it's on its own. He also said that if a

person was having problems with progesterone, the first place to look

is at the adrenals, since pregnenolone makes both progesterone and

cortisol, and if cortisol is what is needed, that's what pregnenolone

will make. Sometimes a woman can start progesterone replacement and

will feel good for a few days until a little stressful situation

arise, then she'll feel terrible and the P will not improve her

symptoms the way she's been told it would. That's because the

pregnenolone is making cortisol instead. It all comes back to fixing

the adrenals first, then the thyroid, then the sex hormones. But most

of us approach it from trying to fix the sex hormones and find out

we've got other hormonal problems, and we get discouraged because all

of this is costing so much and taking so much of our time to find a

practioner who will listen to us and follow the protocol we want.

I read a journal article out yesterday that really pissed me off. It

was called " I'm the doctor! " and it was about patients who want

to

see all the xrays, test results, want to have everything explained

that the doc wants to do, and so on. This doctor was complaining that

he's the one who went to school for years and years and spent oodles

of money on his education. But he neglected to say that he's the one

who fails to keep up with his field's research and instead listens to

drug reps for a lot of his education. He's probably got stacks of

medical journals beside his bed that he's never read. What arrogance.

We are paying him for his expertise, just like we would a car

repairman. If I can disagree with the car repairman, and ask to see

the parts he removed from my car, why can't I question my doctor?

After all, it's MY body.

Virginia

> > >

> > > I've been listening to CD recording of a PCCA " BHRT

For the

Pharmacist "

> > > seminar given in Houston April 27-28, 2007, and one of the

lecturers

> > > giving the " Endocrine Web " talk (I forget his

name right now)

mentioned

> > > that an enzyme in the thyroid stimulates pregnenolone to

make

> > > progesterone. So many of the hormones are interconnected

and

we're

> > > finding more connections as time goes on. Just thought I'd

add

this

> > > tidbit for some people to chew on...

> > >

> > > Virginia

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Virginia,

This is fascinating. So am I correct that, if a woman has low cortisol

she necessarily has low progesterone (b/c pregnenolone will be diverted

to making cortisol instead)? And if a woman has low cortisol, wouldn't

using natural progesterone help, even if it IS treating the symptom not

the cause? After all, progesterone cream can't be converted into

cortisol, can it?

At 11:41 AM 4/17/2008, you wrote:

I asked the PCCA lecturer about

the enzyme from the thyroid that

stimulates pregnenolone to make progesterone, and he said that the

enzyme wasn't in T3 or T4, it's on its own. He also said that if a

person was having problems with progesterone, the first place to look

is at the adrenals, since pregnenolone makes both progesterone and

cortisol, and if cortisol is what is needed, that's what pregnenolone

will make. Sometimes a woman can start progesterone replacement and

will feel good for a few days until a little stressful situation

arise, then she'll feel terrible and the P will not improve her

symptoms the way she's been told it would. That's because the

pregnenolone is making cortisol instead. It all comes back to fixing

the adrenals first, then the thyroid, then the sex hormones. But most

of us approach it from trying to fix the sex hormones and find out

we've got other hormonal problems, and we get discouraged because all

of this is costing so much and taking so much of our time to find a

practioner who will listen to us and follow the protocol we want.

I read a journal article out yesterday that really pissed me off. It

was called " I'm the doctor! " and it was about patients who want

to

see all the xrays, test results, want to have everything explained

that the doc wants to do, and so on. This doctor was complaining that

he's the one who went to school for years and years and spent oodles

of money on his education. But he neglected to say that he's the one

who fails to keep up with his field's research and instead listens to

drug reps for a lot of his education. He's probably got stacks of

medical journals beside his bed that he's never read. What arrogance.

We are paying him for his expertise, just like we would a car

repairman. If I can disagree with the car repairman, and ask to see

the parts he removed from my car, why can't I question my doctor?

After all, it's MY body.

Virginia

> > >

> > > I've been listening to CD recording of a PCCA " BHRT

For the

Pharmacist "

> > > seminar given in Houston April 27-28, 2007, and one of the

lecturers

> > > giving the " Endocrine Web " talk (I forget his

name right now)

mentioned

> > > that an enzyme in the thyroid stimulates pregnenolone to

make

> > > progesterone. So many of the hormones are interconnected

and

we're

> > > finding more connections as time goes on. Just thought I'd

add

this

> > > tidbit for some people to chew on...

> > >

> > > Virginia

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if those with Hashi's would have compromised enzyme function or if it's not part of the autoimmune attack.

Janet

To: rhythmicliving From: richkare@...Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:20:41 -0400Subject: Re: Re: Thyroid and progesterone

Hi Virginia,This is fascinating. So am I correct that, if a woman has low cortisol she necessarily has low progesterone (b/c pregnenolone will be diverted to making cortisol instead)? And if a woman has low cortisol, wouldn't using natural progesterone help, even if it IS treating the symptom not the cause? After all, progesterone cream can't be converted into cortisol, can it?At 11:41 AM 4/17/2008, you wrote:

I asked the PCCA lecturer about the enzyme from the thyroid that stimulates pregnenolone to make progesterone, and he said that the enzyme wasn't in T3 or T4, it's on its own. He also said that if a person was having problems with progesterone, the first place to look is at the adrenals, since pregnenolone makes both progesterone and cortisol, and if cortisol is what is needed, that's what pregnenolone will make. Sometimes a woman can start progesterone replacement and will feel good for a few days until a little stressful situation arise, then she'll feel terrible and the P will not improve her symptoms the way she's been told it would. That's because the pregnenolone is making cortisol instead. It all comes back to fixing the adrenals first, then the thyroid, then the sex hormones. But most of us approach it from trying to fix the sex hormones and find out we've got other hormonal problems, and we get discouraged because all of this is costing so much and taking so much of our time to find a practioner who will listen to us and follow the protocol we want. I read a journal article out yesterday that really pissed me off. It was called "I'm the doctor!" and it was about patients who want to see all the xrays, test results, want to have everything explained that the doc wants to do, and so on. This doctor was complaining that he's the one who went to school for years and years and spent oodles of money on his education. But he neglected to say that he's the one who fails to keep up with his field's research and instead listens to drug reps for a lot of his education. He's probably got stacks of medical journals beside his bed that he's never read. What arrogance. We are paying him for his expertise, just like we would a car repairman. If I can disagree with the car repairman, and ask to see the parts he removed from my car, why can't I question my doctor? After all, it's MY body. Virginia> > >> > > I've been listening to CD recording of a PCCA "BHRT For the Pharmacist"> > > seminar given in Houston April 27-28, 2007, and one of the lecturers> > > giving the "Endocrine Web" talk (I forget his name right now) mentioned> > > that an enzyme in the thyroid stimulates pregnenolone to make> > > progesterone. So many of the hormones are interconnected and we're> > > finding more connections as time goes on. Just thought I'd add this> > > tidbit for some people to chew on...> > >> > > Virginia> > >> >> >>

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[Guest guest]

I wonder if those with Hashi's would have compromised enzyme function or if it's not part of the autoimmune attack.

Janet

To: rhythmicliving From: richkare@...Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:20:41 -0400Subject: Re: Re: Thyroid and progesterone

Hi Virginia,This is fascinating. So am I correct that, if a woman has low cortisol she necessarily has low progesterone (b/c pregnenolone will be diverted to making cortisol instead)? And if a woman has low cortisol, wouldn't using natural progesterone help, even if it IS treating the symptom not the cause? After all, progesterone cream can't be converted into cortisol, can it?At 11:41 AM 4/17/2008, you wrote:

I asked the PCCA lecturer about the enzyme from the thyroid that stimulates pregnenolone to make progesterone, and he said that the enzyme wasn't in T3 or T4, it's on its own. He also said that if a person was having problems with progesterone, the first place to look is at the adrenals, since pregnenolone makes both progesterone and cortisol, and if cortisol is what is needed, that's what pregnenolone will make. Sometimes a woman can start progesterone replacement and will feel good for a few days until a little stressful situation arise, then she'll feel terrible and the P will not improve her symptoms the way she's been told it would. That's because the pregnenolone is making cortisol instead. It all comes back to fixing the adrenals first, then the thyroid, then the sex hormones. But most of us approach it from trying to fix the sex hormones and find out we've got other hormonal problems, and we get discouraged because all of this is costing so much and taking so much of our time to find a practioner who will listen to us and follow the protocol we want. I read a journal article out yesterday that really pissed me off. It was called "I'm the doctor!" and it was about patients who want to see all the xrays, test results, want to have everything explained that the doc wants to do, and so on. This doctor was complaining that he's the one who went to school for years and years and spent oodles of money on his education. But he neglected to say that he's the one who fails to keep up with his field's research and instead listens to drug reps for a lot of his education. He's probably got stacks of medical journals beside his bed that he's never read. What arrogance. We are paying him for his expertise, just like we would a car repairman. If I can disagree with the car repairman, and ask to see the parts he removed from my car, why can't I question my doctor? After all, it's MY body. Virginia> > >> > > I've been listening to CD recording of a PCCA "BHRT For the Pharmacist"> > > seminar given in Houston April 27-28, 2007, and one of the lecturers> > > giving the "Endocrine Web" talk (I forget his name right now) mentioned> > > that an enzyme in the thyroid stimulates pregnenolone to make> > > progesterone. So many of the hormones are interconnected and we're> > > finding more connections as time goes on. Just thought I'd add this> > > tidbit for some people to chew on...> > >> > > Virginia> > >> >> >>

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