T cell mediated immunity - the destruction of good flora.

[Guest guest]

I found this extremely interesting. Although my daughters testing

returned virtually no values on mycology (for yeast), we decided to

try a 10 day course of nystatin (1st time) because she was red and

slightly sore around her " privates " :-) She did not even have the

familiar " mapping " on her tongue that is associated with yeast.

The first 2 days were unchanged, but on the third day (Monday)--- she

began washing her hands after using the toilet (this is something

we've struggled with since she was 13 months old). It's been a

physical battle as she has a huge aversion to water. On Tuesday, she

didn't fight me to get into the bathtub and I was able to wash her

hair without a struggle (okay she did say " no " a few times, but all

in all, it was a much more pleasurable experience for both of us).

She has suffered with a distended abdomen for years - I noticed that

she is " deflating " for lack of a better word. Her irritable bouts

have not been seen since Sunday afternoon (today is Thursday).

Grammatically, she has made significant improvements during this

short week - especially this morning, when she came inside and

said " Daddy, can I have your keys; my backpack is locked in the

van " . This child has been in speech therapy and had articulation

problems for years. She could say two somewhat rote sentences last

week, but the cognitive structure of her sentence this morning

floored us. Even the way she moved is much better, less rigid, more

spontaneous. My question is, can yeast do this? If so, why is she

returning null values on her mycology.

Of course, I'm thrilled that she is feeling so good. The bad part

is, that her regular pediatrician will not extend the Nystatin and

our DAN physician won't write another Rx for reasons not explained by

her secretary. Is there a problem with a 1 month supply of Nystatin?

We've gone gluten free, casein free, corn free and soy free. We've

chelated until nothing came out and her behaviors still fluctuated up

and down like a pendulum. She did have many many courses of

antibiotics for otitis media from week 3 as an infant until she was

over 4 years old. She also received multiple vaccinations (while she

was sick). As of Monday and this entire week, this 6 year old is

completely normal. Could the yeast make her fluctuate like that and

if so, how will we keep it at bay?

Thank you for all of your help - If not for the several lists I'm on,

this kid would still be rocking, spinning and banging her head, with

no eye contact, as she was 2 years ago. Not once were we ever told

that we should try to repopulate her flora with the " good stuff " when

given antibiotics. Only recently did I find out that acidophilus

needs lactose in order to survive, which would explain the few times

we tried it after going dairy free - and not seeing much in return.

Thanks -

Binstock <aspergerian@y...> wrote:

> The findings of Oyama et al (1) and other recent flora-cites suggest

> that giving an infant or toddler repeated courses of antibiotics

might

> incline the child towards a life of Th2 immunity. Ironically,

treating

> recurrent otitis with antibiotics may not be effective if the

underlying

> pathology is viral or non-bacterial inflammation (Chonmaitree et al,

> series of studies); and the primary outcome will be an intestinal

> ecosystem forever pillaged. In my opinion, physicians should not

dare to

> treat otitis in infants and toddlers unless the physician has

perused

> several reviews by Tasnee Chonmaitree, MD, and colleagues (eg, 3-8).

> Destroying a child's microflora ought not be taken lightly.

>

[Guest guest]

,

sounds like the history of antibiotics messed up the gut

population and there was bad stuff affecting your daughter. Consider

a good probiotic like Culturelle from

www.vrpcentral.net or Kirkman's and maybe colostrum like

4-life or Kirkman's

Maybe you wont need the candida treatment again. If the symptoms

come back you can deal with it then.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

---,

You mentioned the " mapped " tongue as a sign of a yeast problem.

Would a " geographic " tongue be the same thing??

My oldest daughter(12) had a white " pattern " on her tongue as a

baby...her ped. said she had a " geographic " tongue, and her ONLY

explanation was that " some people just HAVE this. " This has bothered

me for many years.

I fought Candida yeast in my son(10) for several years...

Dr. Orian Truss in Birmingham wrote my son's prescription, and I

simply had to call him every year os so, to get it " renewed. "

He wrote a book on the subject... " The Hidden Diagnosis " with case

histories of the effects of removing yeast from autistic kids,

(and others) He is a very caring man and I would recommend him.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~God bless, Lindy~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~

In @y..., _@i... wrote:

> I found this extremely interesting. Although my daughters testing

> returned virtually no values on mycology (for yeast), we decided to

> try a 10 day course of nystatin (1st time) because she was red and

> slightly sore around her " privates " :-) She did not even have the

> familiar " mapping " on her tongue that is associated with yeast.

>

> The first 2 days were unchanged, but on the third day (Monday)---

she

> began washing her hands after using the toilet (this is something

> we've struggled with since she was 13 months old). It's been a

> physical battle as she has a huge aversion to water. On Tuesday,

she

> didn't fight me to get into the bathtub and I was able to wash her

> hair without a struggle (okay she did say " no " a few times, but all

> in all, it was a much more pleasurable experience for both of us).

> She has suffered with a distended abdomen for years - I noticed

that

> she is " deflating " for lack of a better word. Her irritable bouts

> have not been seen since Sunday afternoon (today is Thursday).

> Grammatically, she has made significant improvements during this

> short week - especially this morning, when she came inside and

> said " Daddy, can I have your keys; my backpack is locked in the

> van " . This child has been in speech therapy and had articulation

> problems for years. She could say two somewhat rote sentences last

> week, but the cognitive structure of her sentence this morning

> floored us. Even the way she moved is much better, less rigid,

more

> spontaneous. My question is, can yeast do this? If so, why is she

> returning null values on her mycology.

>

> Of course, I'm thrilled that she is feeling so good. The bad part

> is, that her regular pediatrician will not extend the Nystatin and

> our DAN physician won't write another Rx for reasons not explained

by

> her secretary. Is there a problem with a 1 month supply of

Nystatin?

> We've gone gluten free, casein free, corn free and soy free. We've

> chelated until nothing came out and her behaviors still fluctuated

up

> and down like a pendulum. She did have many many courses of

> antibiotics for otitis media from week 3 as an infant until she was

> over 4 years old. She also received multiple vaccinations (while

she

> was sick). As of Monday and this entire week, this 6 year old is

> completely normal. Could the yeast make her fluctuate like that

and

> if so, how will we keep it at bay?

>

> Thank you for all of your help - If not for the several lists I'm

on,

> this kid would still be rocking, spinning and banging her head,

with

> no eye contact, as she was 2 years ago. Not once were we ever told

> that we should try to repopulate her flora with the " good stuff "

when

> given antibiotics. Only recently did I find out that acidophilus

> needs lactose in order to survive, which would explain the few

times

> we tried it after going dairy free - and not seeing much in return.

>

> Thanks -

>

> Binstock <aspergerian@y...> wrote:

> > The findings of Oyama et al (1) and other recent flora-cites

suggest

> > that giving an infant or toddler repeated courses of antibiotics

> might

> > incline the child towards a life of Th2 immunity. Ironically,

> treating

> > recurrent otitis with antibiotics may not be effective if the

> underlying

> > pathology is viral or non-bacterial inflammation (Chonmaitree et

al,

> > series of studies); and the primary outcome will be an intestinal

> > ecosystem forever pillaged. In my opinion, physicians should not

> dare to

> > treat otitis in infants and toddlers unless the physician has

> perused

> > several reviews by Tasnee Chonmaitree, MD, and colleagues (eg, 3-

8).

> > Destroying a child's microflora ought not be taken lightly.

> >

[Guest guest]

> > The findings of Oyama et al (1) and other recent flora-cites

suggest

> > that giving an infant or toddler repeated courses of antibiotics

> might

> > incline the child towards a life of Th2 immunity. Ironically,

> treating

> > recurrent otitis with antibiotics may not be effective if the

> underlying

> > pathology is viral or non-bacterial inflammation (Chonmaitree et

al,

> > series of studies); and the primary outcome will be an intestinal

> > ecosystem forever pillaged. In my opinion, physicians should not

> dare to

> > treat otitis in infants and toddlers unless the physician has

> perused

> > several reviews by Tasnee Chonmaitree, MD, and colleagues (eg, 3-

8).

> > Destroying a child's microflora ought not be taken lightly.

> >

[Guest guest]

--

My boys are on sporanox daily and my oldest has not talked since he

was 20 months old. He began talking on diflucan and when the bowel was

not clearing they started him on sporanox and he is singing and is

able to talk. Recently they tried to lower his dosage of sporanox and

his speech became jibberish the next day. Why no one knows but my

doctor realize that there is a connection and are giving this to my

boys daily. When they increased his med back he was fine and still is.

If you research the different meds for yeast...sporanox works on

strains that the others do not. Systematic kind. If your child is

having an immune problem that warrents yeast med you can get it

from an immunologist. My boys are on it daily and they don't even

discuss taken them off of it...my children lost the autistic behaviors

on this med and it has not returned for months now. My oldest has not

talked since he was 20 months old and he is 4 and a half now. He

started on this med right before he turned for.He is so normal now and

he realizes that this med controls his speech and behavior and is able

to tell me why he did some sensory issues.My children were in pain.I'm

so glad that this works for them. Your story is not unusual to me. I

have experienced this personally with 2 boys. Fight for the med if you

see that it works. If I would not have my children would not be

singing and still crying when I bathed them,not eating normally,etc...

My doctors are modeling med after my boys. The result of the test on

the child has not been told to me yet. But if it works another child

will be better than before. Good luck and may God bless you.

- In @y..., _@i... wrote:

> I found this extremely interesting. Although my daughters testing

> returned virtually no values on mycology (for yeast), we decided to

> try a 10 day course of nystatin (1st time) because she was red and

> slightly sore around her " privates " :-) She did not even have the

> familiar " mapping " on her tongue that is associated with yeast.

>

> The first 2 days were unchanged, but on the third day (Monday)---

she

> began washing her hands after using the toilet (this is something

> we've struggled with since she was 13 months old). It's been a

> physical battle as she has a huge aversion to water. On Tuesday,

she

> didn't fight me to get into the bathtub and I was able to wash her

> hair without a struggle (okay she did say " no " a few times, but all

> in all, it was a much more pleasurable experience for both of us).

> She has suffered with a distended abdomen for years - I noticed

that

> she is " deflating " for lack of a better word. Her irritable bouts

> have not been seen since Sunday afternoon (today is Thursday).

> Grammatically, she has made significant improvements during this

> short week - especially this morning, when she came inside and

> said " Daddy, can I have your keys; my backpack is locked in the

> van " . This child has been in speech therapy and had articulation

> problems for years. She could say two somewhat rote sentences last

> week, but the cognitive structure of her sentence this morning

> floored us. Even the way she moved is much better, less rigid,

more

> spontaneous. My question is, can yeast do this? If so, why is she

> returning null values on her mycology.

>

> Of course, I'm thrilled that she is feeling so good. The bad part

> is, that her regular pediatrician will not extend the Nystatin and

> our DAN physician won't write another Rx for reasons not explained

by

> her secretary. Is there a problem with a 1 month supply of

Nystatin?

> We've gone gluten free, casein free, corn free and soy free. We've

> chelated until nothing came out and her behaviors still fluctuated

up

> and down like a pendulum. She did have many many courses of

> antibiotics for otitis media from week 3 as an infant until she was

> over 4 years old. She also received multiple vaccinations (while

she

> was sick). As of Monday and this entire week, this 6 year old is

> completely normal. Could the yeast make her fluctuate like that

and

> if so, how will we keep it at bay?

>

> Thank you for all of your help - If not for the several lists I'm

on,

> this kid would still be rocking, spinning and banging her head,

with

> no eye contact, as she was 2 years ago. Not once were we ever told

> that we should try to repopulate her flora with the " good stuff "

when

> given antibiotics. Only recently did I find out that acidophilus

> needs lactose in order to survive, which would explain the few

times

> we tried it after going dairy free - and not seeing much in return.

>

> Thanks -

>

> Binstock <aspergerian@y...> wrote:

> > The findings of Oyama et al (1) and other recent flora-cites

suggest

> > that giving an infant or toddler repeated courses of antibiotics

> might

> > incline the child towards a life of Th2 immunity. Ironically,

> treating

> > recurrent otitis with antibiotics may not be effective if the

> underlying

> > pathology is viral or non-bacterial inflammation (Chonmaitree et

al,

> > series of studies); and the primary outcome will be an intestinal

> > ecosystem forever pillaged. In my opinion, physicians should not

> dare to

> > treat otitis in infants and toddlers unless the physician has

> perused

> > several reviews by Tasnee Chonmaitree, MD, and colleagues (eg, 3-

8).

> > Destroying a child's microflora ought not be taken lightly.

> >

[Guest guest]

Kirkman has a product call yeast control that you may want to look into. You

could ask for a sample.

[ ] T cell mediated immunity - the destruction of " good

flora " .

I found this extremely interesting. Although my daughters testing

returned virtually no values on mycology (for yeast), we decided to

try a 10 day course of nystatin (1st time) because she was red and

slightly sore around her " privates " :-) She did not even have the

familiar " mapping " on her tongue that is associated with yeast.

The first 2 days were unchanged, but on the third day (Monday)--- she

began washing her hands after using the toilet (this is something

we've struggled with since she was 13 months old). It's been a

physical battle as she has a huge aversion to water. On Tuesday, she

didn't fight me to get into the bathtub and I was able to wash her

hair without a struggle (okay she did say " no " a few times, but all

in all, it was a much more pleasurable experience for both of us).

She has suffered with a distended abdomen for years - I noticed that

she is " deflating " for lack of a better word. Her irritable bouts

have not been seen since Sunday afternoon (today is Thursday).

Grammatically, she has made significant improvements during this

short week - especially this morning, when she came inside and

said " Daddy, can I have your keys; my backpack is locked in the

van " . This child has been in speech therapy and had articulation

problems for years. She could say two somewhat rote sentences last

week, but the cognitive structure of her sentence this morning

floored us. Even the way she moved is much better, less rigid, more

spontaneous. My question is, can yeast do this? If so, why is she

returning null values on her mycology.

Of course, I'm thrilled that she is feeling so good. The bad part

is, that her regular pediatrician will not extend the Nystatin and

our DAN physician won't write another Rx for reasons not explained by

her secretary. Is there a problem with a 1 month supply of Nystatin?

We've gone gluten free, casein free, corn free and soy free. We've

chelated until nothing came out and her behaviors still fluctuated up

and down like a pendulum. She did have many many courses of

antibiotics for otitis media from week 3 as an infant until she was

over 4 years old. She also received multiple vaccinations (while she

was sick). As of Monday and this entire week, this 6 year old is

completely normal. Could the yeast make her fluctuate like that and

if so, how will we keep it at bay?

Thank you for all of your help - If not for the several lists I'm on,

this kid would still be rocking, spinning and banging her head, with

no eye contact, as she was 2 years ago. Not once were we ever told

that we should try to repopulate her flora with the " good stuff " when

given antibiotics. Only recently did I find out that acidophilus

needs lactose in order to survive, which would explain the few times

we tried it after going dairy free - and not seeing much in return.

Thanks -

Binstock <aspergerian@y...> wrote:

> The findings of Oyama et al (1) and other recent flora-cites suggest

> that giving an infant or toddler repeated courses of antibiotics

might

> incline the child towards a life of Th2 immunity. Ironically,

treating

> recurrent otitis with antibiotics may not be effective if the

underlying

> pathology is viral or non-bacterial inflammation (Chonmaitree et al,

> series of studies); and the primary outcome will be an intestinal

> ecosystem forever pillaged. In my opinion, physicians should not

dare to

> treat otitis in infants and toddlers unless the physician has

perused

> several reviews by Tasnee Chonmaitree, MD, and colleagues (eg, 3-8).

> Destroying a child's microflora ought not be taken lightly.

>

[Guest guest]

-

Hi, I find this very interesting about your boys. What dose are they

on of sporanox, and are you chelating your boys? Thanks, Leah

-- In @y..., gspeights@y... wrote:

> --

> My boys are on sporanox daily and my oldest has not talked since he

> was 20 months old. He began talking on diflucan and when the bowel

was

> not clearing they started him on sporanox and he is singing and is

> able to talk. Recently they tried to lower his dosage of sporanox

and

> his speech became jibberish the next day. Why no one knows but my

> doctor realize that there is a connection and are giving this to my

> boys daily. When they increased his med back he was fine and still

is.

> If you research the different meds for yeast...sporanox works on

> strains that the others do not. Systematic kind. If your child is

> having an immune problem that warrents yeast med you can get it

> from an immunologist. My boys are on it daily and they don't even

> discuss taken them off of it...my children lost the autistic

behaviors

> on this med and it has not returned for months now. My oldest has

not

> talked since he was 20 months old and he is 4 and a half now. He

> started on this med right before he turned for.He is so normal now

and

> he realizes that this med controls his speech and behavior and is

able

> to tell me why he did some sensory issues.My children were in

pain.I'm

> so glad that this works for them. Your story is not unusual to me. I

> have experienced this personally with 2 boys. Fight for the med if

you

> see that it works. If I would not have my children would not be

> singing and still crying when I bathed them,not eating

normally,etc...

> My doctors are modeling med after my boys. The result of the test on

> the child has not been told to me yet. But if it works another child

> will be better than before. Good luck and may God bless you.

>

>

>

>

>

> - In @y..., _@i... wrote:

> > I found this extremely interesting. Although my daughters

testing

> > returned virtually no values on mycology (for yeast), we decided

to

> > try a 10 day course of nystatin (1st time) because she was red

and

> > slightly sore around her " privates " :-) She did not even have

the

> > familiar " mapping " on her tongue that is associated with yeast.

> >

> > The first 2 days were unchanged, but on the third day (Monday)---

> she

> > began washing her hands after using the toilet (this is something

> > we've struggled with since she was 13 months old). It's been a

> > physical battle as she has a huge aversion to water. On Tuesday,

> she

> > didn't fight me to get into the bathtub and I was able to wash

her

> > hair without a struggle (okay she did say " no " a few times, but

all

> > in all, it was a much more pleasurable experience for both of

us).

> > She has suffered with a distended abdomen for years - I noticed

> that

> > she is " deflating " for lack of a better word. Her irritable

bouts

> > have not been seen since Sunday afternoon (today is Thursday).

> > Grammatically, she has made significant improvements during this

> > short week - especially this morning, when she came inside and

> > said " Daddy, can I have your keys; my backpack is locked in the

> > van " . This child has been in speech therapy and had articulation

> > problems for years. She could say two somewhat rote sentences

last

> > week, but the cognitive structure of her sentence this morning

> > floored us. Even the way she moved is much better, less rigid,

> more

> > spontaneous. My question is, can yeast do this? If so, why is

she

> > returning null values on her mycology.

> >

> > Of course, I'm thrilled that she is feeling so good. The bad

part

> > is, that her regular pediatrician will not extend the Nystatin

and

> > our DAN physician won't write another Rx for reasons not

explained

> by

> > her secretary. Is there a problem with a 1 month supply of

> Nystatin?

> > We've gone gluten free, casein free, corn free and soy free.

We've

> > chelated until nothing came out and her behaviors still

fluctuated

> up

> > and down like a pendulum. She did have many many courses of

> > antibiotics for otitis media from week 3 as an infant until she

was

> > over 4 years old. She also received multiple vaccinations (while

> she

> > was sick). As of Monday and this entire week, this 6 year old is

> > completely normal. Could the yeast make her fluctuate like that

> and

> > if so, how will we keep it at bay?

> >

> > Thank you for all of your help - If not for the several lists I'm

> on,

> > this kid would still be rocking, spinning and banging her head,

> with

> > no eye contact, as she was 2 years ago. Not once were we ever

told

> > that we should try to repopulate her flora with the " good stuff "

> when

> > given antibiotics. Only recently did I find out that acidophilus

> > needs lactose in order to survive, which would explain the few

> times

> > we tried it after going dairy free - and not seeing much in

return.

> >

> > Thanks -

> >

> > Binstock <aspergerian@y...> wrote:

> > > The findings of Oyama et al (1) and other recent flora-cites

> suggest

> > > that giving an infant or toddler repeated courses of

antibiotics

> > might

> > > incline the child towards a life of Th2 immunity. Ironically,

> > treating

> > > recurrent otitis with antibiotics may not be effective if the

> > underlying

> > > pathology is viral or non-bacterial inflammation (Chonmaitree

et

> al,

> > > series of studies); and the primary outcome will be an

intestinal

> > > ecosystem forever pillaged. In my opinion, physicians should

not

> > dare to

> > > treat otitis in infants and toddlers unless the physician has

> > perused

> > > several reviews by Tasnee Chonmaitree, MD, and colleagues (eg,

3-

> 8).

> > > Destroying a child's microflora ought not be taken lightly.

> > >

[Guest guest]

--

They both are taking the capsule because the oral was too difficult

to take due to the taste and having to chase it with so much liquid.

The oldest takes 75mg and the youngest is taking 50 mg. I must tell

you there has got to be something to this!!!My children are normal now

and potty trained!Youngest who is almost 2 and half years is almost

fully trained. (alittle young but hey I know that if we went off the

medicine this would be old news for both.)These sensory issues they

have. ARE GONE,except the toe-walking comes and goes. He says that

when he is doing the toe thing that his ankles and heels hurt. So

I'm working on that with some info and help. The sensory skin issues

are gone and he told me that his skin felt like pins are poking him.

So when I would touch him or put soap on him he would scream...now

no biggie. The sensory to light issue is gone but only when I read

a study about the pertussis toxoid causing a depletion in vitamin A.

I put both on just plain children vitamins and they quit complaining

about the light hurting. So I did a test and took them off for a few

days and sure enough they were complaining again. They have been

on this since and no issues with light. The starring spells

are gone. We had the oldest tested for seizures for a whole weekend

and I pushed the button during every episode of starring and outbursts

of anger and just lying on the floor and crying. All gone on this

med. The red face and the bumps on the bottom gone. At first when

they started the youngest on sporanox oral he got better and then

he had diarrhea forever again. The issues came back and they

at first said he can't have any yeast he's been on the med for awhile.

I knew that the medicine couldn't have been working because of

experience with this yeast med and how my oldest seemed to be

controled by the yeast mentally and gastro wise.So they changed it to

the capsule

thinking I may be right because of so much proving them wrong and

the next day he was having normal bowel movements and everything

was digested and has been since. Needless ...they believe this

issue now. My children are eating everything like before this

happened and they won't as long as their bowels are not normal.

The no eating meat...my children do now... but they tell me

that they wouldn't because it hurt their bellies. The craving

hot dogs or corn dogs is not to feed the yeast.But they say

it doesn't hurt their belly. The face rash and the bumps on the

bottom, the redness around the privates are an immune deficiency

problem...I'm no doctor but I have two boys that their immune

system shows they cannot fight yeast at all and I have seen these

issues everyone writes about and I have seen them personally too.

And my children did exactly like what the other mother said.

That is 3 children that have became normal. There's something to

this. Nystatin only worked for a short time. Diflucan worked

for one but not the youngest. I saw this med change my children

and I and now the doctors will not sacrifice them losing their

speech and mind again...we have shown this connection time and time

again for not one child but two. I am checking out the chelation

process but have not started. But if I leave one thought to anyone...

if you see the red face, bumps on the bottom or reddness around

the privates....go to an immunologist first and skip the ped because

this is out of their field. Been there and done that.From our

experience those are an immune problem and will not go away without

med. We were told that they should be monitored if ever given an

antibiotic due to the immune system being defected.

And due to the results of the immunologist

testing they refuse to give my boys anymore vaccines. Take care!

- In @y..., valadez4@s... wrote:

> -

> Hi, I find this very interesting about your boys. What dose are

they

> on of sporanox, and are you chelating your boys? Thanks, Leah

>

>

> -- In @y..., gspeights@y... wrote:

> > --

> > My boys are on sporanox daily and my oldest has not talked since

he

> > was 20 months old. He began talking on diflucan and when the

bowel

> was

> > not clearing they started him on sporanox and he is singing and is

> > able to talk. Recently they tried to lower his dosage of sporanox

> and

> > his speech became jibberish the next day. Why no one knows but my

> > doctor realize that there is a connection and are giving this to

my

> > boys daily. When they increased his med back he was fine and

still

> is.

> > If you research the different meds for yeast...sporanox works on

> > strains that the others do not. Systematic kind. If your child is

> > having an immune problem that warrents yeast med you can get it

> > from an immunologist. My boys are on it daily and they don't even

> > discuss taken them off of it...my children lost the autistic

> behaviors

> > on this med and it has not returned for months now. My oldest has

> nots

> > talked since he was 20 months old and he is 4 and a half now. He

> > started on this med right before he turned for.He is so normal

now

> and

> > he realizes that this med controls his speech and behavior and is

> able

> > to tell me why he did some sensory issues.My children were in

> pain.I'm

> > so glad that this works for them. Your story is not unusual to

me. I

> > have experienced this personally with 2 boys. Fight for the med

if

> you

> > see that it works. If I would not have my children would not be

> > singing and still crying when I bathed them,not eating

> normally,etc...

> > My doctors are modeling med after my boys. The result of the test

on

> > the child has not been told to me yet. But if it works another

child

> > will be better than before. Good luck and may God bless you.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > - In @y..., _@i... wrote:

> > > I found this extremely interesting. Although my daughters

> testing

> > > returned virtually no values on mycology (for yeast), we

decided

> to

> > > try a 10 day course of nystatin (1st time) because she was red

> and

> > > slightly sore around her " privates " :-) She did not even have

> the

> > > familiar " mapping " on her tongue that is associated with yeast.

> > >

> > > The first 2 days were unchanged, but on the third day (Monday)--

-

> > she

> > > began washing her hands after using the toilet (this is

something

> > > we've struggled with since she was 13 months old). It's been a

> > > physical battle as she has a huge aversion to water. On

Tuesday,

> > she

> > > didn't fight me to get into the bathtub and I was able to wash

> her

> > > hair without a struggle (okay she did say " no " a few times, but

> all

> > > in all, it was a much more pleasurable experience for both of

> us).

> > > She has suffered with a distended abdomen for years - I noticed

> > that

> > > she is " deflating " for lack of a better word. Her irritable

> bouts

> > > have not been seen since Sunday afternoon (today is Thursday).

> > > Grammatically, she has made significant improvements during

this

> > > short week - especially this morning, when she came inside and

> > > said " Daddy, can I have your keys; my backpack is locked in the

> > > van " . This child has been in speech therapy and had

articulation

> > > problems for years. She could say two somewhat rote sentences

> last

> > > week, but the cognitive structure of her sentence this morning

> > > floored us. Even the way she moved is much better, less rigid,

> > more

> > > spontaneous. My question is, can yeast do this? If so, why is

> she

> > > returning null values on her mycology.

> > >

> > > Of course, I'm thrilled that she is feeling so good. The bad

> part

> > > is, that her regular pediatrician will not extend the Nystatin

> and

> > > our DAN physician won't write another Rx for reasons not

> explained

> > by

> > > her secretary. Is there a problem with a 1 month supply of

> > Nystatin?

> > > We've gone gluten free, casein free, corn free and soy free.

> We've

> > > chelated until nothing came out and her behaviors still

> fluctuated

> > up

> > > and down like a pendulum. She did have many many courses of

> > > antibiotics for otitis media from week 3 as an infant until she

> was

> > > over 4 years old. She also received multiple vaccinations

(while

> > she

> > > was sick). As of Monday and this entire week, this 6 year old

is

> > > completely normal. Could the yeast make her fluctuate like

that

> > and

> > > if so, how will we keep it at bay?

> > >

> > > Thank you for all of your help - If not for the several lists

I'm

> > on,

> > > this kid would still be rocking, spinning and banging her head,

> > with

> > > no eye contact, as she was 2 years ago. Not once were we ever

> told

> > > that we should try to repopulate her flora with the " good

stuff "

> > when

> > > given antibiotics. Only recently did I find out that

acidophilus

> > > needs lactose in order to survive, which would explain the few

> > times

> > > we tried it after going dairy free - and not seeing much in

> return.

> > >

> > > Thanks -

> > >

> > > Binstock <aspergerian@y...> wrote:

> > > > The findings of Oyama et al (1) and other recent flora-cites

> > suggest

> > > > that giving an infant or toddler repeated courses of

> antibiotics

> > > might

> > > > incline the child towards a life of Th2 immunity. Ironically,

> > > treating

> > > > recurrent otitis with antibiotics may not be effective if the

> > > underlying

> > > > pathology is viral or non-bacterial inflammation (Chonmaitree

> et

> > al,

> > > > series of studies); and the primary outcome will be an

> intestinal

> > > > ecosystem forever pillaged. In my opinion, physicians should

> not

> > > dare to

> > > > treat otitis in infants and toddlers unless the physician has

> > > perused

> > > > several reviews by Tasnee Chonmaitree, MD, and colleagues

(eg,

> 3-

> > 8).

> > > > Destroying a child's microflora ought not be taken lightly.

> > > >