Re: Digest Number 774

October 25, 2000

In a message dated 10/25/00 6:28:54 AM Central Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< Celebrex

>>

Jeanne,

Have you considered that the nightmares might be from then end of the

prednisone????

That could be the cuprit.........

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re; nausea side effects

Hi ,

Just wanted to say sorry you're not doing well. It's good to hear you're

keeping the humor! Hope the P and the nail fungies improves quickly!!!!!!

in Wisconsin

October 26, 2000

In a message dated 10/26/2000 11:44:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

clonan@... writes:

<< Have you considered that the nightmares might be from then end of the

prednisone???? >>

Hmm--no, I hadn't considered ending Prednisone could cause the nightmares.

Since they began at the same time I began the Celebrex--I just blamed it on

the celebrex. Probably not a wise assumption.

But--I did stop the Celebrex. I just wasn't getting enough relief. I took a

couple of aspirin before bed last night and slept until 6AM. when the alarm

went off. I feel so much better today. It's amazing what a whole nights

sleep will do for a person.

I don't see the Rhuemy until Nov 15th. Hopefully moderate use of aspirin

will see me through until then.

Hope everyone is well today,

Jeanne In Idaho

November 1, 2000

Hi all,

I am new to the group and am interested in oxygen therapy as I am on

oxygen therapy in my home the past year.

Has anyone any materials concerning how the blood gases become elevated

after overexposures to chemicals. I developed the symptoms of the

feeling of oxygen deprivation about 18 years after the initial

overexposures to pesticides and 10 years after CO poisioning. I have

come to understand the degenerativeness after exposure to methyl bromide

shows up some 15 years later as neurological and muscular, and so I

believe this is a part of the pesticides and CO injury showing up.

Wondering if anyone has research info for me.

To respond to the question about food sensitivities: I did develop

food sensitivities, as did my kids, after overexposures to pesticides

and CO. I had initial symptoms for the three years of exposure to

Methyl bromide severe headaches and neurological symptoms and really all

the symtpoms listed as caused by MB as stated by gov. documents. The

worst went away as we moved after three years but the foods problems

began to increase and I just began to bug drs to help me feel well. I

got the usual take a pill answer.

About 10 years afterward I had Randolph's testing done for food at an

alternative /env. clinic and it proved to be most helpful. I eliminated

grains, yeast, molds, fish, beef and most dairy. Improvement was very

noticable and I felt fog lift and energy I had not felt in years. The

arthritis type symptoms and muscle spasms ceased. Certain grains had

certain reactions and I took three years to completely give up all

grains like rice and rye so I sorted out symptoms as I went along.

Over the next 8 years I improved just avoiding these foods and at the

same time I controlled candida and leaky gut.

Chemical long range symptoms:

But other symptoms began to occur again slowly. I noticed if I went

into buildings with oil and gas I did not feel well and got fm-type

symptoms and fog or pressure in the head and nerves twitched or was

nerous in a funny way. I never had migraines.

In 1995 I got proof of our overexposures to methyl bromide by the

source, and we finally saw quite clearly the past 20 some years and how

it developed. I then saw how avoidance of the foods was crucial.

| I could see the various symptoms created by being around certain

chemicals, once the foods were taken care of, We were total electric

and already had central vac and hepas in the house since 1976. We had

a safe house by the immunologists and allergists standards.

So it was a gradual avoidance of something each year and then finally

understanding what the real cause was. And the past five years

working on totally avoiding all buildings and times outdoors where I

think I may be harmed. Tho I felt well, I began feeling oxygen

deprived and was unable to get a prescripton. I was sleeping sitting up

for a couple of years before we moved in order to sleep soundly but

basically pain free too. Just tight lungs for no apparant reason other

than slight mold on a few feet of one wall.

We moved into a house on a slab with a heat pump and have hepa and

charcoal filters on the return ducts and the fan running 24/7. I

became 90% well I would say and had boundless energy and felt normal but

for the shortness of breath and sore muscles when I worked after

eposrues to pesticides or petro.

Over 25 years I saw seven different clinics within one med center, plus

a nationally known immunologist, and four chiropractors, and got no help

from any of them. Only the testing of the foods by Randolph theory at

an alternative/ environmental clinic, and then two years ago after

reading books and on her recommendation return to the env.

clinic to be retested for the elevated blood gases along with elemental

hair analysis and metals and minerals, did I find more heaing help.

I attribute the elevated blood gases to degeneration from the

overexposures to methyl bromide and CO, but am not sure and am looking

for that link. Every time I read thru Depression book I find

more foods to work on for nutritional or detox balance. I think this

must be a lifetime thing for most of us.

I am not doing the O2 therapy the fast way in weeks, but my dr feels

doing it slowly will not put toxins into liver etc and I will do it

symptom free. I also have been way overexposed this year several times

accidently and so am continuing O2 until I can bring the elevated gases

down.

I am very interested in knowing if anyone understand how the blood

gases become elevated after overexposures to chemicals.

I have no doubt foods digestion is altered after exposure as my

digesting as become worse again this year after these latest eposures.

I was back to eating crackers and biscuits without yeasts with no

reactions but am off grains entirely if I want to be pain free now.

Connie

November 1, 2000

Hi Connie,

I'm sorry you've been having trouble as a result of your exposure to

pesticides. I'm not surprised to hear that a variety of mainstream medical

doctors have been unable to help you. In my own experience, the one thing they

all do very well is get paid, whether or not they offer value.

What kind of oxygen therapy are you doing in your home?

Could you explain a little more about the blood gases?

Levels of what gases are elevated?

It sounds to me like your exposure to certain chemicals has hypersensitized

you to those chemicals and to chemicals similar to them. I know some people

with this problem, and it can be severe. Such people may suffer agonies which

others never know.

Do you have a subnormal body temperature? Even a degree or so? If you do,

that's a classic indication of impaired oxygen metabolism.

As I understand it from my study of Koch therapy, the cellular molecular sites

vital to oxygen metabolism can become blocked by toxins occupying them, making

them unavailable to metabolize oxygen.

Koch therapy is an oxygen metabolism catalyst which restores damaged oxygen

metabolism through an oxidation chain reaction in which the toxins occupying

cellular molecular sites vital to oxygen metabolism are " burned " (oxidized) and

eliminated from the body.

It is generally given by injection, involves an extensive dietary protocol,

and comes in two versions -- parabenzoquinone and glyoxilide -- with differing

applications, often given in that order, the parabenzoquinone paving the way for

better action of the glyoxilide.

For more information on Koch therapy:

http://www.williamfkoch.com/

lin Healy, a member of this list, may be able to share source information

on Koch therapy with you.

hyperbaric1@... , a member of this list, has

experience with the therapy and may be able to share information with you.

Another person experienced with the therapy is my friend Bill Galkowski

.

Dr Goncharov vickenty@... may be able to provide information.

I hope this information can be of help.

With my best wishes,

Green

~^~^~^~^

Hi all,

I am new to the group and am interested in oxygen therapy as I am on

oxygen therapy in my home the past year.

Has anyone any materials concerning how the blood gases become elevated

after overexposures to chemicals. I developed the symptoms of the

feeling of oxygen deprivation about 18 years after the initial

overexposures to pesticides and 10 years after CO poisioning. I have

come to understand the degenerativeness after exposure to methyl bromide

shows up some 15 years later as neurological and muscular, and so I

believe this is a part of the pesticides and CO injury showing up.

Wondering if anyone has research info for me.

>>snip<<

February 15, 2001

Re: Dr. Sudakin: Whether you like what he says or not, the truth is that there

is no consensus yet in the medical community about all the adverse health claims

associated with exposure to mold, especially stachy. On that point, Dr. Sudakin

is right--as he was on the CDC review of Dr. Dearborn's findings as to the

Cleveland infant study--there is no need for personal attacks on him. I know

several of the doctors you identified, including Dr. Johanning and Dr. Yang.

They are sincere in their opinions, but even Dr. Johanning will agree as to the

lack of consensus and the absence of objective tests which can confirm the

presence of mycotoxins in the body following exposure, esp. on the issue of

stachy--I've taken his deposition, and questioned him in trial and have his

comments on that issue under oath. In fact, when Dr. Johanning was offered as

an expert witness in a case I tried here in California in 1998, he was precluded

from testifying on the health effects of stachy be!

cause the court found that neith

er the doctor or the lawyers offering him as an expert demonstrated a consensus

in the medical community existed as to those health claims.

Honest disagreement is not only fair, but the only way to discuss an issue...all

too often we avoid the honest analysis of our beliefs by attacking the bona

fides of those who disagree. You run a valuable news and information group, but

all sides should be heard.

February 16, 2001

KYVETON: This is absolute " hog wash! " The medical community had better go

back to their own medical manuals and reorganize. There is a huge

descrepancy between natural science research and the medical community, and

guess who is losing on the medical scene while this is going on. Innocent

patients who live in illness and eventually die. Check out the cancer and

HIV/AIDS wards across the country and around the world and you will have a

huge awakening when it comes to mycotic illnesses. This is a world of

politics and money, and even though natural sciences are confirming the

obvious, " ignorance " is blatant! Don't explain to me or any other American

(or world victim) what the truth is, because by all standards of human

dignity it does not exist anymore in many professions. The real test is

coming, and it will unfortunately be fought in the courts rather than in the

health and welfare of those who suffer. I firmly agree that the medical

community is correct in appropriately reviewing and delicately investigating

any new illness or disease that emerges from the environment, but

Environmental Fungi (Bioaerosol) Contaminates and the health concerns

involved are not new by any means... unless you or anyone of those other

folks you are a proponent of in the medical community really have never been

educated to any degree in microorganisms in ecology. R. Haney

(Author: " Toxic Mold! Toxic Enemy! " ) (916) 972-7783 or Medcorp68@...

>From: kykveton@...

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 774

>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:32:25 EST

>

>Re: Dr. Sudakin: Whether you like what he says or not, the truth is that

>there is no consensus yet in the medical community about all the adverse

>health claims associated with exposure to mold, especially stachy. On that

>point, Dr. Sudakin is right--as he was on the CDC review of Dr. Dearborn's

>findings as to the Cleveland infant study--there is no need for personal

>attacks on him. I know several of the doctors you identified, including

>Dr. Johanning and Dr. Yang. They are sincere in their opinions, but even

>Dr. Johanning will agree as to the lack of consensus and the absence of

>objective tests which can confirm the presence of mycotoxins in the body

>following exposure, esp. on the issue of stachy--I've taken his deposition,

>and questioned him in trial and have his comments on that issue under oath.

> In fact, when Dr. Johanning was offered as an expert witness in a case I

>tried here in California in 1998, he was precluded from testifying on the

>health effects of stachy be!

>cause the court found that neith

>er the doctor or the lawyers offering him as an expert demonstrated a

>consensus in the medical community existed as to those health claims.

>Honest disagreement is not only fair, but the only way to discuss an

>issue...all too often we avoid the honest analysis of our beliefs by

>attacking the bona fides of those who disagree. You run a valuable news

>and information group, but all sides should be heard.

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> Take a look to the attachment.

May 4, 2001

Haney,

I have tried to call the number (916-972-

7783) and the recording is the number is

wrong....I have tried to get the book at

& Noble, Amazon, Walden, Books

A-Million and other online stores and un

able to find the book (TOXIC MOLD

TOXIC ENEMY) anywhere.

Can you help me out with some advice?

Thanks....Donna

May 5, 2001

In a message dated 5/5/01 12:14:38 PM, coolgram@... writes:

>Can you help me out with some advice?

HI , amazon has it " on order " will take 1-2 weeks, If you call

and Noble or any of the others see if you can get the publisher name and

their number call them direct if you need it sooner...

<A HREF= " http://encyclopedia.bigtome.com/big/page/mold " >ENCYCLOPEDIA: mold</A>

http://encyclopedia.bigtome.com/big/page/mold

I will also check later to see what I can find.

All The Best,

Donna

November 4, 2001

> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:28:34 -0500

> From: " Diane M Ferko " <drf218@...>

> Subject: spelling and counting brag

>

> This week Nic has made a huge step...we were coloring and he pretends to

> sign his name at the bottom. So I did a hand-over-hand with him. I said

" N "

> and he said " I C " . I really made a big deal about it.

> Then later that night. Bob was laying on the floor and Nic likes to

wrestle.

> He stands in front of Bob and says " 2, 3...go!! " and jumps on top of him.

> So now he is finally " getting " the letters and numbers thing.... for some

> reason he won't say " 1 " don't know why

>

> Di, mom to Jake(18,nda) and 4 (DS)

> Pennsylvania

Way to go Nic!

Ellie counts " two two whee fo ive. " I dont' know why the one is so hard. She

can say One more please. (One mo peez)

Gwen, mom to Ellie 5 almost 6

November 4, 2001

> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:28:34 -0500

> From: " Diane M Ferko " <drf218@...>

> Subject: spelling and counting brag

>

> This week Nic has made a huge step...we were coloring and he pretends to

> sign his name at the bottom. So I did a hand-over-hand with him. I said

" N "

> and he said " I C " . I really made a big deal about it.

> Then later that night. Bob was laying on the floor and Nic likes to

wrestle.

> He stands in front of Bob and says " 2, 3...go!! " and jumps on top of him.

> So now he is finally " getting " the letters and numbers thing.... for some

> reason he won't say " 1 " don't know why

>

> Di, mom to Jake(18,nda) and 4 (DS)

> Pennsylvania

Way to go Nic!

Ellie counts " two two whee fo ive. " I dont' know why the one is so hard. She

can say One more please. (One mo peez)

Gwen, mom to Ellie 5 almost 6

November 4, 2001

In a message dated 11/4/01 8:51:33 AM Central Standard Time,

gwenv@... writes:

> Ellie counts " two two whee fo ive. " I dont' know why the one is so hard. She

> can say One more please. (One mo peez)

>

> Gwen, mom to Ellie 5 almost 6

>

I once saw 2 little neighborhood kids, who didn't know I was watching.

They stood on a step and were going to jump off on the count of 5. The boy

was older so he started, he counted all mixed up and never could get to 5, so

finally he looks at the little girl and says, " You count! " I guess it is

hard. So funny. Jessie

November 4, 2001

In a message dated 11/4/01 8:51:33 AM Central Standard Time,

gwenv@... writes:

> Ellie counts " two two whee fo ive. " I dont' know why the one is so hard. She

> can say One more please. (One mo peez)

>

> Gwen, mom to Ellie 5 almost 6

>

I once saw 2 little neighborhood kids, who didn't know I was watching.

They stood on a step and were going to jump off on the count of 5. The boy

was older so he started, he counted all mixed up and never could get to 5, so

finally he looks at the little girl and says, " You count! " I guess it is

hard. So funny. Jessie

April 21, 2004

In a message dated 04/21/2004 6:04:18 PM Central Daylight Time,

autism writes:

<< Karac has started signing from just watching. He can sign all the

alphabet.

Karac has functional speech, but I have heard that signing sometimes even

helps bring out the verbal speech. I never give up hope. Even though Karac

is

11, I still hope for conversational speech. LOL, Pat K >>

I feel exactly the same way!!

Barbara B

Elliot's grandmother

November 7, 2004

has told me to forward spam to mail-abuse@...

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September 20, 2005

Enrico posted: here is the genetic modification research.

http://tinyurl.com/bauq9

Quoting from the research: " Moreover, regeneration or growth of the

plant with the transformed gene was very low at two out of 70,000

trials. "

Does anyone really think that SEVENTY THOUSAND trials were conducted on

this " transformed gene " alone? I certainly do not. Proper trials are

very expensive and time-consuming. This quite incredible statement makes

the entire article lack credibility, in my opinion.

Moral of the story: don't believe everything you read.

September 20, 2005

, Hello !

I share your opinion. Most likely, the author means out of the 70 thousands

coconut plant tissue materials cultured " test tube technique " , only 2

regenerated to a normal plantlet as revealed by article author Enrico. He could

have shown his draft of the article to his info sources to verify before

publication of the news !

If so, then very clearly tissue culture in coconut done for decades is " still in

the dark " , short of saying forget about cloning of desirable coconut plants by

using tissue culture (mind you, very successful) for many plants/crops as a way

of quick mass production of planting materials. Morover, the proper balance of

growth factors and conditions (environmental,hormonal, nutritional balance) has

not yet been discovered in tissue culture of coconut, despite very extensive and

expensive global efforts by many countries and advance laboratories to date.

I understand, it is the embryo-cultured coconut (ECC) that has achieved

commercial stage and the Philippines been promoting it, among many other

coconut-producing countries.

But, also on the positive development side of coconut R & D, that researchers of

the University of the Philippines at Los Baños, Laguna (Research Team led by

Laude and Cueno, 2005), supported by the government's Department of Science and

Technology, was able to identify the 6 genes responsible for the fatty acid

synthesis in coconut from 4 - 6 month old coconut endosperm (developing young

meat of nuts) is indeed a " breaking news " which the newsman mentioned. This

means that at the mentioned stages of the endosperm, enzymatic and gene

regulation is happening. I surmise that from here, genetic engineering of

coconut to modify its fatty acid profile (saturated and unsaturated components),

as done in Canola vegetable oil crop earlier, shall now be exploited/developed

for the commercial market. I feel it is still a long way to success and there

will be many implications of this development to various sectors. I rather not

speculate yet on the impacts of this development, as the saying

goes " a shallow knowledge of a thing is not competence but an opinion " .

Thanks for your concern.

Sev Magat

Coy <catherinecoy@...> wrote:

Enrico posted: here is the genetic modification research.

http://tinyurl.com/bauq9

Quoting from the research: " Moreover, regeneration or growth of the

plant with the transformed gene was very low at two out of 70,000

trials. "

Does anyone really think that SEVENTY THOUSAND trials were conducted on

this " transformed gene " alone? I certainly do not. Proper trials are

very expensive and time-consuming. This quite incredible statement makes

the entire article lack credibility, in my opinion.

Moral of the story: don't believe everything you read.

September 21, 2005

Hi Sev and !

Firts of all, im not the author of the article. I just came across the article

in the internet and posted it here so that everyone could comment. I find it of

great concern for us because i have " heard " of the negative effects of

genetically modified products. You are right and i admit i dont have thorough

knowledge of the subject but in my opinion, genetically modifying something that

we eat could lead to some abnormalities in the future generation of man. I

believe in the theory that if we go against nature, nature will make us suffer

for it. Take for example the mad cow disease...cows are fed with processed

internal organs of cattles. Cows are vegetarian but are forced-fed with meat.

This is cannibalism!...for the cows that is.

I agree with Nigel, all genetic modification is for profit! What else could it

be for? Why alter what is already naturally good? As Dr. Fife said, the fatty

acids in coconut are in the right balance. If you raise one, you decrease

another.

The article does lack credibility but it doesnt mean there is no genetic

modification research on coconuts. That's the most important thing here.

Regards,

Enrico

Severino Magat <sev_magat@...> wrote: