Re: Is tinnitus common with this as well

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I have to admit that most of what you write below is over my head, which is fine. But just a couple of things I wanted to say in response. Forgive me if you already explained these things and I didn't catch it.There are many psychiatric diagnoses involve genetic factors, this is a fact. According to Dr. J bout 17% of our members here are officially diagnosed as OCD, with OCD there is a genetic link I believe. While in the general population OCD is diagnosed in only 2 % of the population. Not that I am saying that misophonia is OCD. But given this higher percentage of comorbidity with a psychiatric (which is also neurological problem) like OCD here, suggests (I think) there must be a neuro something or other, happening with misophonia.In your example with tuning fork, in

such a case, had the child heard the tuning fork before? In which case it is quite obviously a conditioned response. I am talking about visual triggers, unrelated to the sounds, unrelated to areas or places or body parts where sounds come from. My mother twirls her feel around, it makes no sound, I have no problems with the sounds of footsteps or any other foot related sounds, yet this is a very strong trigger for me, even though I can manage it by just looking away, which then stops reaction immediately. But if I look back again, the reaction comes back instantaneously.To:

Soundsensitivity Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:43 PMSubject: Re: Is tinnitus common with this as well

Talking of chickens, psychologists have run experiments on them and other young animals, finding that the vestibular system develops first, and drives the development of the other sensory systems. It is also heavily involved in organising the autonomic nervous system, regulating blood pressure for example. So while the auditory system probably does not influence other sensory systems, the vestibular organs in the ear do.

If misophonia is a generalised (over)conditoned reaction to sound, then other stimuli can then act as triggers. Some audiosensitive patients will rear away when an otologist approaches them with a tuning fork before it is even struck. Unfortunately, this is usually interpreted to mean that the person is a hopeless neurotic, and should be seen by a psychiatrist instead.

The four comorbid conditions mentioned below as examples of neurological conditions are in fact psychiatric diagnoses. Whilst I think it reasonable to suppose that the brains of such patient are not working properly, I think it is fair to say that no one has a clue as exactly what is wrong with the brains. Even when structural brain abnormalities are found, it is far from clear that these are the cause rather than result of the psychiatric or psychological symptoms. Comorbidity is the rule rather than exception in psychiatry, and there is no solid base of understanding from which one can bootstrap from known to unknown mechanisms. In otology, by contrast, there is a solid base of understanding which can be used as a supply depot for explaining many supposedly psychiatric conditions (eg agoraphobia).

As for people without auditory problems on this site, it is analagous to the situation where someone hears unexplained sounds. If they think they are coming from their ears, they will go to an otologist, whereas if they think these are being beamed out by the FBI, they will end up with a psychiatrist.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > where a man brought in a machine and talked about sound. He had us all

> > > > > > > > > > raise

> > > > > > > > > > > > our hands, he turned the machine on a fair high pitch and moved it up

> > > > > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > and higher telling us when we cannot hear the high pitch anymore, put

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > hands down. One by one hands went down...except mine. Eventually he

> > > > > > > > > > asked me

> > > > > > > > > > > > why my hand was still up. I said "we're supposed to put them down when

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > don't hear the high pitch...I still hear it". He said "not possible,

> > > > > > > > > > I've

> > > > > > > > > > > > turned off the machine". Guess they must not have known about tinnitus

> > > > > > > > > > then.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondered whether there might be a connection.

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Genetic factors are involved to a significant extent in all psychological traits

and psychiatric conditions, without exception as far as I recall, though the

specific genes are largely unknown at present.

I have just been checking the excellent Wikipedia article on OCD, and can see

nothing there which shows that it is due to primary brain damage. This contrast

with say multiple sclerosis or Parkinson's, where there are satisfactory

neurological models. The fact that OCD is associated with above average IQ is

surely evidence that is is due to pathological (over)thinking. So I do not

think that OCD helps at all in establishing a neurological or brain basis for

misophonia.

The aversion to sight of a tuning fork referred to adults.

I was intrigued by your reference to twirling feet(?). This makes me suspect the

vestibular system, as moving stimuli (eg waterfalls) can confuse it, causing

nausea (motion sickness).

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had it pretty much all my life. When I was

about 8 I was in a

> > > > > > > > > > > class

> > > > > > > > > > > > > where a man brought in a machine and talked about

sound. He had us all

> > > > > > > > > > > raise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > our hands, he turned the machine on a fair high pitch

and moved it up

> > > > > > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and higher telling us when we cannot hear the high

pitch anymore, put

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hands down. One by one hands went down...except mine.

Eventually he

> > > > > > > > > > > asked me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > why my hand was still up. I said " we're supposed to

put them down when

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > don't hear the high pitch...I still hear it " . He said

" not possible,

> > > > > > > > > > > I've

> > > > > > > > > > > > > turned off the machine " . Guess they must not have

known about tinnitus

> > > > > > > > > > > then.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondered whether there might be a connection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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My new psychiatrist who also has some research background in the genetic analysis of complex traits, found the higher percentage of OCD here as compared to the general population very interesting.So did the adult who responded negatively to the sight of the tuning fork, had that adult heard the tuning fork before?I love waterfalls, so much so I built one in my in backyard. I love to look at it, and love love love to listen to it. I can report that I do not get dizzy or nauseous from looking at the waterfall, trying to read while being a passenger in a moving vehicle is a different story altogether.To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:37 AMSubject: Re: Is tinnitus common with this as well

Genetic factors are involved to a significant extent in all psychological traits and psychiatric conditions, without exception as far as I recall, though the specific genes are largely unknown at present.

I have just been checking the excellent Wikipedia article on OCD, and can see nothing there which shows that it is due to primary brain damage. This contrast with say multiple sclerosis or Parkinson's, where there are satisfactory neurological models. The fact that OCD is associated with above average IQ is surely evidence that is is due to pathological (over)thinking. So I do not think that OCD helps at all in establishing a neurological or brain basis for misophonia.

The aversion to sight of a tuning fork referred to adults.

I was intrigued by your reference to twirling feet(?). This makes me suspect the vestibular system, as moving stimuli (eg waterfalls) can confuse it, causing nausea (motion sickness).

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had it pretty much all my life. When I was about 8 I was in a

> > > > > > > > > > > class

> > > > > > > > > > > > > where a man brought in a machine and talked about sound. He had us all

> > > > > > > > > > > raise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > our hands, he turned the machine on a fair high pitch and moved it up

> > > > > > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and higher telling us when we cannot hear the high pitch anymore, put

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hands down. One by one hands went down...except mine. Eventually he

> > > > > > > > > > > asked me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > why my hand was still up. I said "we're supposed to put them down when

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > don't hear the high pitch...I still hear it". He said "not possible,

> > > > > > > > > > > I've

> > > > > > > > > > > > > turned off the machine". Guess they must not have known about tinnitus

> > > > > > > > > > > then.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondered whether there might be a connection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judi

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ps. I don't have the "typical" symptoms most people would associate with OCD, although I can be very obsessive about certain things. My IQ is unremarkably average. My psychiatrist is currently trying a treatment plan for me with misophonia as being a function of OCD, I do not have a diagnosis, and he is not married to the idea of this being OCD, but it is an obvious starting point for a psychiatrist. He can only diagnosis me his patient, not an entire group on the internet. If he wants me to see an audiologist or otoneurologists, I will comply, if I can find a way to afford it.But it's great to hear different theories and points of view. Misophonia could be just about anything under the sun at this point in time, IMO.To: "Soundsensitivity " <Soundsensitivity >Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 7:57 AMSubject: Re: Re: Is tinnitus common with this as well

My new psychiatrist who also has some research background in the genetic analysis of complex traits, found the higher percentage of OCD here as compared to the general population very interesting.So did the adult who responded negatively to the sight of the tuning fork, had that adult heard the tuning fork before?I love waterfalls, so much so I built one in my in backyard. I love to look at it, and love love love to listen to it. I can report that I do not get dizzy or nauseous from looking at the waterfall, trying to read while being a passenger in a moving vehicle is a different story altogether.To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:37 AMSubject: Re: Is tinnitus common with this as well

Genetic factors are involved to a significant extent in all psychological traits and psychiatric conditions, without exception as far as I recall, though the specific genes are largely unknown at present.

I have just been checking the excellent Wikipedia article on OCD, and can see nothing there which shows that it is due to primary brain damage. This contrast with say multiple sclerosis or Parkinson's, where there are satisfactory neurological models. The fact that OCD is associated with above average IQ is surely evidence that is is due to pathological (over)thinking. So I do not think that OCD helps at all in establishing a neurological or brain basis for misophonia.

The aversion to sight of a tuning fork referred to adults.

I was intrigued by your reference to twirling feet(?). This makes me suspect the vestibular system, as moving stimuli (eg waterfalls) can confuse it, causing nausea (motion sickness).

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had it pretty much all my life. When I was about 8 I was in a

> > > > > > > > > > > class

> > > > > > > > > > > > > where a man brought in a machine and talked about sound. He had us all

> > > > > > > > > > > raise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > our hands, he turned the machine on a fair high pitch and moved it up

> > > > > > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and higher telling us when we cannot hear the high pitch anymore, put

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hands down. One by one hands went down...except mine. Eventually he

> > > > > > > > > > > asked me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > why my hand was still up. I said "we're supposed to put them down when

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > don't hear the high pitch...I still hear it". He said "not possible,

> > > > > > > > > > > I've

> > > > > > > > > > > > > turned off the machine". Guess they must not have known about tinnitus

> > > > > > > > > > > then.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondered whether there might be a connection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judi

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I would wager a large sum of money that your IQ is well above average! OCD is

surely a result of the brain overfunctioning more than underfunctioning.

I don't know if patients aversive to tuning forks had seen them before, but I

think anyone going to an ENT clinic seeing the doctor waving a fork around might

assume that some loud or unpleasant sound might come out of it.

For the function of the inner ear, I recommend T. C Hain, eg:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-does-reading-in-a-mov

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had it pretty much all my life. When I was

about 8 I was in a

> > > > > > > > > > > > class

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where a man brought in a machine and talked about

sound. He had us all

> > > > > > > > > > > > raise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > our hands, he turned the machine on a fair high

pitch and moved it up

> > > > > > > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and higher telling us when we cannot hear the high

pitch anymore, put

> > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hands down. One by one hands went down...except

mine. Eventually he

> > > > > > > > > > > > asked me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > why my hand was still up. I said " we're supposed to

put them down when

> > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't hear the high pitch...I still hear it " . He

said " not possible,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I've

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > turned off the machine " . Guess they must not have

known about tinnitus

> > > > > > > > > > > > then.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondered whether there might be a connection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judi

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Interestingly, there are now a couple of audiologists on the " misophonia

providers " list from the Mid West - one in Minnesota and one in Missouri:

http://www.misophonia-provider.com/PROVIDERS_BY_REGION.html

The list was expanded recently.

> If he wants me to see an audiologist or otoneurologists, I will comply, if I

can find a way to afford it.

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My school is going to have me see a audiologist. I had a hearing test done by

the school nurse. I seemed to have passed even though I only heard the high

pitched sounds. I have been starting to expirienceing tinnitus when I wear my

eaplugs. I still can't hear people so well. Would misophonia effect my hearing?

What should I tell her and talk to her about?

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can find a way to afford it.

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EXCELLENT !To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:19 AMSubject: Re: Is tinnitus common with this as well

Interestingly, there are now a couple of audiologists on the "misophonia providers" list from the Mid West - one in Minnesota and one in Missouri:

http://www.misophonia-provider.com/PROVIDERS_BY_REGION.html

The list was expanded recently.

> If he wants me to see an audiologist or otoneurologists, I will comply, if I can find a way to afford it.

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Thanks for the link about function of the inner ear. According to standardized testing, I am most definitely average. But was lucky enough to be sent to good schools. There were high expectations from the family, so I learned to work my butt off. : )To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 12:50 PMSubject:

Re: Is tinnitus common with this as well

I would wager a large sum of money that your IQ is well above average! OCD is surely a result of the brain overfunctioning more than underfunctioning.

I don't know if patients aversive to tuning forks had seen them before, but I think anyone going to an ENT clinic seeing the doctor waving a fork around might assume that some loud or unpleasant sound might come out of it.

For the function of the inner ear, I recommend T. C Hain, eg: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-does-reading-in-a-mov

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had it pretty much all my life. When I was about 8 I was in a

> > > > > > > > > > > > class

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where a man brought in a machine and talked about sound. He had us all

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > our hands, he turned the machine on a fair high pitch and moved it up

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and higher telling us when we cannot hear the high pitch anymore, put

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hands down. One by one hands went down...except mine. Eventually he

> > > > > > > > > > > > asked me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > why my hand was still up. I said "we're supposed to put them down when

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