Re: BCX Ultra vs. DougCoil

[Guest guest]

Hi Chaps,

If the BCX Ultra was teh most powerful machine for Lyme, many others here would

be using it... I have learned to never trust info coming from anyone with a

financial interest in the product, the builder of this machine is certainly

going to say things that get others to buy his machines...

The Doug Coil machine was built from the ground up specifically for Lyme disease

by Doug MacLean... His machine got him and his family Lyme symptom free... The

big difference is the Doug Coil's high power, other rife machines don't come

close... This powered directed through the coil literally vibrates the pathogens

to death and is believed powerful enough to get deep into the body, gut and

brain. And it is so powerful, one only need use full number frx's such as 432

and 433, using 432.1, 432.2 etc is unnecessary as the Doug Coil will kill all

pathogens in the range between the whole numbers.

I have seen many rife machines used for Lyme over the past four years, clearly

the Doug Coil has the most impressive track record, rated a #10 for

effectiveness by our own group members... There have been a few members who

were gifted used BCX machines, but I have never heard of any successes coming

from them...

And, the Doug Coil costs $1000 less...

If you do choose the BCX Ultra, please keep our group updated on your

progress...

Take care,

Jim

>

> All:

> The makers of the BCX Ultra (http://www.hymbas.com/RIFEBCXUltra.html)with it's

light wands and footpads says that its machine is the most powerful Rife machine

available against Lyme. Prior to the advent of this machine, the Stolar-built

Doug Coil has been the hands-down favorite in terms of power and effectiveness.

>

> I would like to know if anyone has compared these two machines either in

practical use or in examining specifications to determine which one is

preferable. The BCX Ultra is more expensive, but it is capable of treating many

other illnesses. I am trying to make a buying decision and time is of the

essence so if someone has already done the research and can save me the time,

I'd appreciate the info very much.

>

> Thanks,

> Chaps

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Chaps - I did a trial of the BCX Ultra of two moderate sessions and one

additional that was a step above that and had a mild herx heimer reaction of

short duration. Each session produced a lesser reaction, so for myself I decided

to continue to try additional machines before making my decision. I then did a

small scale trial of of several sessions with the dougcoil and had much more

strong herxheimer reactions. The dougcoil I bought was about twice as much as

Stolar's and due to his backlog at the time, I decided to buy the coil

which I made steady improvement with over the course of a year.

I have also bought a machine called the DP880HF for the scanning capability and

LED aspect for healing a different infection in my back. This machine also

produced an extremely strong herx reaction, perhaps the strongest to date for

me.

Hope this Helps

Bob

>

> All:

> The makers of the BCX Ultra (http://www.hymbas.com/RIFEBCXUltra.html)with it's

light wands and footpads says that its machine is the most powerful Rife machine

available against Lyme. Prior to the advent of this machine, the Stolar-built

Doug Coil has been the hands-down favorite in terms of power and effectiveness.

>

> I would like to know if anyone has compared these two machines either in

practical use or in examining specifications to determine which one is

preferable. The BCX Ultra is more expensive, but it is capable of treating many

other illnesses. I am trying to make a buying decision and time is of the

essence so if someone has already done the research and can save me the time,

I'd appreciate the info very much.

>

> Thanks,

> Chaps

>

[Guest guest]

Chaps,

Contact them and ask for application results data, actual case histories, proof

of " most powerful " (compared to what-let them show you), etc.

Their site has a lot of technical jargon, but no demonstration of successful

application, as far as I can see.

Adam

>

> All:

> The makers of the BCX Ultra (http://www.hymbas.com/RIFEBCXUltra.html)with it's

light wands and footpads says that its machine is the most powerful Rife machine

available against Lyme. Prior to the advent of this machine, the Stolar-built

Doug Coil has been the hands-down favorite in terms of power and effectiveness.

>

> I would like to know if anyone has compared these two machines either in

practical use or in examining specifications to determine which one is

preferable. The BCX Ultra is more expensive, but it is capable of treating many

other illnesses. I am trying to make a buying decision and time is of the

essence so if someone has already done the research and can save me the time,

I'd appreciate the info very much.

>

> Thanks,

> Chaps

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the responses. I kinda figured as much. The makers of the BCX Ultra

claim that the light-wand technology trumps the power differences. What gave

them some credibility is the fact that the Envita Medical Center in Arizona uses

the BCX Ultra on patients and recommends the machine.

>

> All:

> The makers of the BCX Ultra (http://www.hymbas.com/RIFEBCXUltra.html)with it's

light wands and footpads says that its machine is the most powerful Rife machine

available against Lyme. Prior to the advent of this machine, the Stolar-built

Doug Coil has been the hands-down favorite in terms of power and effectiveness.

>

> I would like to know if anyone has compared these two machines either in

practical use or in examining specifications to determine which one is

preferable. The BCX Ultra is more expensive, but it is capable of treating many

other illnesses. I am trying to make a buying decision and time is of the

essence so if someone has already done the research and can save me the time,

I'd appreciate the info very much.

>

> Thanks,

> Chaps

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chaps,

Some of these rife machines are very good for other illnesses and the claim they

work on these illnesses well makes them good machines, Lyme and Bartonella are

much harder to kill off and machines that do well for other illnesses fall far

short for Lyme and Bart.

It is the sheer raw power of the Doug Coil that makes it a Lyme killing machine.

This is a letter Doug MacLean wrote I believe to the editor of his local

newspaper.... Doug invented the Doug Coil Machine, then treated himself and his

family back to health, they all had Lyme disease. He has never profited from

this machine, instead he has shared his invention with anyone interested in

building their own machine or building machines for others.

>>>>Letter from Doug MacLean, Coil Machine Inventor

Dear Editor,

This letter is long overdue. Remember, I was the one who called you from " Big

City " with the electromagnetic machine for Lyme disease?

I became interested in the effects of electromagnetic fields about four years

ago, when I was ill with Lyme disease. In the spring of 1990, my G.I. tract was

most infected. I was unable to eat anything but Ensure-Plus, and lost 20 pounds

in 14 days. I was put on an IV (2 grams Rocephin daily for a month). However, I

was still losing the battle. A relative told me that back in the 1930's,

researchers found that specific electromagnetic frequencies would kill

micro-organisms. I could see that this might be possible. I had nothing to lose,

so I set up an experiment with two objectives:

1. Test and prove the theory that electromagnetic waves at fixed frequencies can

kill the Lyme spirochete in vitro.

2. Try the same experiment in vivo.

EXPERIMENT #1 - In vitro

Equipment:

1. Leitz microscope body with Zeiss 100x oil lens. 1.32 NA and 10x eye pieces.

1000 power with dark field turret.

2. Spare lens.

3. 2 ½ " x1 " slides with slipcovers.

4. Function generator

5. 700 watt audio amplifier. (Started with 20 watts).

6. 400 gauss coil for microscope. Tried many different kinds. Put coil around

condenser lens below slide.

7. Amp meter.

8. Volt meter.

9. Live spirochetes . Facilities to cultivate them. After observing the

spirochetes for some time, I applied 625 Hz and noticed a number-of unusual

reactions from them:

a. Vibrated tail and appeared broken .

b. Bent back and forth from center.

c. Spinning (100rpm).

d. Straightened out.

The spirochetes that reacted did die in 20 minutes to 2 hours. 600 Hz had the

same effect. I knew that the response curve for resonance was symmetrical, so I

went to the midpoint of 612 and found this frequency to be more effective. 920

seemed to be another kill frequency, and it occurred to me that I was on a

harmonic of 306. I tested 306 and found it to be the most effective for killing

spirochetes - in fact, my wife and I had a " Herxheimer " for three days, from

looking in the microscope when its coil was running at that frequency.

EXPERIMENT #2 - In vivo

Equipment:

1. Function generator

2. Amplifier

3. Amp meter

4. Volt meter

5. Oscilloscope

6. Coil

The coil was held around head, chest, waist and legs. Time: 30 seconds per

positions - 3 minutes. Reaction: As with antibiotic treatment, there was a

Jarisch-Herxheimer response with symptoms becoming worse before they went away.

The treatment continued once a month for six months before most symptoms

disappeared. NOTE: Care should be taken in start-up treatment because of large

Jarisch-Herxheimer reactions. Expect two years for complete recovery.

That was just about four years ago. Since then, I have gained back 40 pounds and

work full time. Today, I enjoy good health, which I know is directly

attributable to the electromagnetic treatments. I have not had any antibiotics

since 1989. Many people in our support group have treated themselves, with

equally satisfying results. They built their own frequency machines with some

differences, but basically the same unit. The components are available off the

shelf from a nearby electronics and music store, for about $1500.

Sincerely, Doug<<<<<<

Take care,

Jim

> >

> > All:

> > The makers of the BCX Ultra (http://www.hymbas.com/RIFEBCXUltra.html)with

it's light wands and footpads says that its machine is the most powerful Rife

machine available against Lyme. Prior to the advent of this machine, the

Stolar-built Doug Coil has been the hands-down favorite in terms of power and

effectiveness.

> >

> > I would like to know if anyone has compared these two machines either in

practical use or in examining specifications to determine which one is

preferable. The BCX Ultra is more expensive, but it is capable of treating many

other illnesses. I am trying to make a buying decision and time is of the

essence so if someone has already done the research and can save me the time,

I'd appreciate the info very much.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Chaps

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I thought 432 was the best frequency for lyme, but Doug says 306. What's going on?

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 6:28:47 PMSubject: Re: BCX Ultra vs. DougCoil

Hi Chaps,Some of these rife machines are very good for other illnesses and the claim they work on these illnesses well makes them good machines, Lyme and Bartonella are much harder to kill off and machines that do well for other illnesses fall far short for Lyme and Bart. It is the sheer raw power of the Doug Coil that makes it a Lyme killing machine. This is a letter Doug MacLean wrote I believe to the editor of his local newspaper.... Doug invented the Doug Coil Machine, then treated himself and his family back to health, they all had Lyme disease. He has never profited from this machine, instead he has shared his invention with anyone interested in building their own machine or building machines for others.>>>>Letter from Doug MacLean, Coil Machine InventorDear Editor,This letter is long overdue. Remember, I was the one who called you from "Big City" with the electromagnetic machine

for Lyme disease?I became interested in the effects of electromagnetic fields about four years ago, when I was ill with Lyme disease. In the spring of 1990, my G.I. tract was most infected. I was unable to eat anything but Ensure-Plus, and lost 20 pounds in 14 days. I was put on an IV (2 grams Rocephin daily for a month). However, I was still losing the battle. A relative told me that back in the 1930's, researchers found that specific electromagnetic frequencies would kill micro-organisms. I could see that this might be possible. I had nothing to lose, so I set up an experiment with two objectives:1. Test and prove the theory that electromagnetic waves at fixed frequencies can kill the Lyme spirochete in vitro.2. Try the same experiment in vivo.EXPERIMENT #1 - In vitroEquipment:1. Leitz microscope body with Zeiss 100x oil lens. 1.32 NA and 10x eye pieces. 1000 power with dark field turret.2. Spare

lens.3. 2 ½" x1" slides with slipcovers.4. Function generator5. 700 watt audio amplifier. (Started with 20 watts).6. 400 gauss coil for microscope. Tried many different kinds. Put coil around condenser lens below slide.7. Amp meter.8. Volt meter.9. Live spirochetes . Facilities to cultivate them. After observing the spirochetes for some time, I applied 625 Hz and noticed a number-of unusual reactions from them:a. Vibrated tail and appeared broken .b. Bent back and forth from center.c. Spinning (100rpm).d. Straightened out.The spirochetes that reacted did die in 20 minutes to 2 hours. 600 Hz had the same effect. I knew that the response curve for resonance was symmetrical, so I went to the midpoint of 612 and found this frequency to be more effective. 920 seemed to be another kill frequency, and it occurred to me that I was on a harmonic of 306. I tested 306 and found it to be the most

effective for killing spirochetes - in fact, my wife and I had a "Herxheimer" for three days, from looking in the microscope when its coil was running at that frequency.EXPERIMENT #2 - In vivoEquipment:1. Function generator2. Amplifier3. Amp meter4. Volt meter5. Oscilloscope6. CoilThe coil was held around head, chest, waist and legs. Time: 30 seconds per positions - 3 minutes. Reaction: As with antibiotic treatment, there was a Jarisch-Herxheimer response with symptoms becoming worse before they went away. The treatment continued once a month for six months before most symptoms disappeared. NOTE: Care should be taken in start-up treatment because of large Jarisch-Herxheimer reactions. Expect two years for complete recovery.That was just about four years ago. Since then, I have gained back 40 pounds and work full time. Today, I enjoy good health, which I know is directly attributable to the

electromagnetic treatments. I have not had any antibiotics since 1989. Many people in our support group have treated themselves, with equally satisfying results. They built their own frequency machines with some differences, but basically the same unit. The components are available off the shelf from a nearby electronics and music store, for about $1500.Sincerely, Doug<<<<<<Take care,Jim> >> > All:> > The makers of the BCX Ultra (http://www.hymbas.com/RIFEBCXUltra.html)with it's light wands and footpads says that its machine is the most powerful Rife machine available against Lyme. Prior to the advent of this machine, the Stolar-built Doug Coil has been the hands-down favorite in terms of power and effectiveness.> > > > I would like to know if anyone has compared these two machines either in practical use or in examining specifications to determine which one is preferable. The BCX Ultra is more expensive, but it is capable of treating many other illnesses. I am trying to make a buying decision and time is of the essence so if someone has already done the research and can save me the

time, I'd appreciate the info very much.> > > > Thanks,> > Chaps> >>

[Guest guest]

, Doug found that 625 worked great with spirochetes on a microscope slide but not as well when he coiled himself. The same is true of 306. I have yet to see anyone who cannot totally get rid of lyme with 432. In addition, if you coil with 432 to the end of herxing and try any other frequency, you will not get lyme herxes. You may kill something else off but it will not be lyme - you can tell by the difference in the herxing. A few people claimed that they herxed with 612 (double 306) after herxing stopped with 432. I asked them to be very observant and see if the 612 herxing was identical to what they got with 432 - it wasn't. 612 may be killing the sackie virus. Don't trust much of what you read. Doug never thought he had co-infections until I described what I was

having - he said "I had that" a number of times. He discovered at least 7 frequencies that he said were needed for lyme but in fact he was killing co-infections the entire time without knowing it. He completely missed the fact that a new set of symptoms meant a new organisms was quickly reproducing because the previous one was significantly reduced. I suppose that people thought that a new set of symptoms meant lyme was doing something different but they all missed what was really happening. Rosner published that you need at least 10 frequencies for lyme, which is nonsense, because he just relayed what Doug said without knowing what was going on. When I read that Rosner said you needed multiple frequencies for lyme, I immediately knew there could not be a biological reason that a bacterium would require more than one frequency. One thing that could cause more than one frequency would be if lyme spirochetes came in a

very large range of sizes. Their protein coats would cover vastly different surface areas so different frequencies might be needed - this is not the reality of lyme, however. Not many people believed what I thought was happening, but it is well known now that one frequency will do the job. In fact, the people who use 306 and 612 waste quality time by not doing enough 432 and take much longer to beat lyme.Subject: Re: Re: BCX Ultra vs. DougCoilTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 8:15 AM

I thought 432 was the best frequency for lyme, but Doug says 306. What's going on?

From: Sunshine <jimjax2gmail (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wed, July 7, 2010 6:28:47 PMSubject: Re: BCX Ultra vs. DougCoil

Hi Chaps,Some of these rife machines are very good for other illnesses and the claim they work on these illnesses well makes them good machines, Lyme and Bartonella are much harder to kill off and machines that do well for other illnesses fall far short for Lyme and Bart. It is the sheer raw power of the Doug Coil that makes it a Lyme killing machine. This is a letter Doug MacLean wrote I believe to the editor of his local newspaper... . Doug invented the Doug Coil Machine, then treated himself and his family back to health, they all had Lyme disease. He has never profited from this machine, instead he has shared his invention with anyone interested in building their own machine or building machines for others.>>>>Letter from Doug MacLean, Coil Machine InventorDear Editor,This letter is long overdue. Remember, I was the one who called you from "Big City" with the electromagnetic machine

for Lyme disease?I became interested in the effects of electromagnetic fields about four years ago, when I was ill with Lyme disease. In the spring of 1990, my G.I. tract was most infected. I was unable to eat anything but Ensure-Plus, and lost 20 pounds in 14 days. I was put on an IV (2 grams Rocephin daily for a month). However, I was still losing the battle. A relative told me that back in the 1930's, researchers found that specific electromagnetic frequencies would kill micro-organisms. I could see that this might be possible. I had nothing to lose, so I set up an experiment with two objectives:1. Test and prove the theory that electromagnetic waves at fixed frequencies can kill the Lyme spirochete in vitro.2. Try the same experiment in vivo.EXPERIMENT #1 - In vitroEquipment:1. Leitz microscope body with Zeiss 100x oil lens. 1.32 NA and 10x eye pieces. 1000 power with dark field turret.2. Spare

lens.3. 2 ½" x1" slides with slipcovers.4. Function generator5. 700 watt audio amplifier. (Started with 20 watts).6. 400 gauss coil for microscope. Tried many different kinds. Put coil around condenser lens below slide.7. Amp meter.8. Volt meter.9. Live spirochetes . Facilities to cultivate them. After observing the spirochetes for some time, I applied 625 Hz and noticed a number-of unusual reactions from them:a. Vibrated tail and appeared broken .b. Bent back and forth from center.c. Spinning (100rpm).d. Straightened out.The spirochetes that reacted did die in 20 minutes to 2 hours. 600 Hz had the same effect. I knew that the response curve for resonance was symmetrical, so I went to the midpoint of 612 and found this frequency to be more effective. 920 seemed to be another kill frequency, and it occurred to me that I was on a harmonic of 306. I tested 306 and found it to be the most

effective for killing spirochetes - in fact, my wife and I had a "Herxheimer" for three days, from looking in the microscope when its coil was running at that frequency.EXPERIMENT #2 - In vivoEquipment:1. Function generator2. Amplifier3. Amp meter4. Volt meter5. Oscilloscope6. CoilThe coil was held around head, chest, waist and legs. Time: 30 seconds per positions - 3 minutes. Reaction: As with antibiotic treatment, there was a Jarisch-Herxheimer response with symptoms becoming worse before they went away. The treatment continued once a month for six months before most symptoms disappeared. NOTE: Care should be taken in start-up treatment because of large Jarisch-Herxheimer reactions. Expect two years for complete recovery.That was just about four years ago. Since then, I have gained back 40 pounds and work full time. Today, I enjoy good health, which I know is directly attributable to the

electromagnetic treatments. I have not had any antibiotics since 1989. Many people in our support group have treated themselves, with equally satisfying results. They built their own frequency machines with some differences, but basically the same unit. The components are available off the shelf from a nearby electronics and music store, for about $1500.Sincerely, Doug<<<<<<Take care,Jim> >> > All:> > The makers of the BCX Ultra (http://www. hymbas.com/ RIFEBCXUltra. html)with it's light wands and footpads says that its machine is the most powerful Rife machine available against Lyme. Prior to the advent of this machine, the Stolar-built Doug Coil has been the hands-down favorite in terms of power and effectiveness.> > > > I would like to know if anyone has compared these two machines either in practical use or in examining specifications to determine which one is preferable. The BCX Ultra is more expensive, but it is capable of treating many other illnesses. I am trying to make a buying decision and time is of the essence so if someone has already done the research and

can save me the

time, I'd appreciate the info very much.> > > > Thanks,> > Chaps> >>

[Guest guest]

Here is a link to a comparison chart of the BCX Ultra and the GB 4000 along with

other rife devices, not including the coil. This information is put out by the

GB 4000 folks so it may be somewhat biased, however, the chart appears to be on

the up and up since it is comparing features of the various machines and the GB

4000 seems hands down a better all around machine. Here is the link:

http://www.gb4000.org/

> > >

> > > All:

> > > The makers of the BCX Ultra (http://www. hymbas.com/ RIFEBCXUltra.

html)with it's light wands and footpads says that its machine is the most

powerful Rife machine available against Lyme. Prior to the advent of this

machine, the Stolar-built Doug Coil has been the hands-down favorite in terms of

power and effectiveness.

> > >

> > > I would like to know if anyone has compared these two machines either in

practical use or in examining specifications to determine which one is

preferable. The BCX Ultra is more expensive, but it is capable of treating many

other illnesses. I am trying to make a buying decision and time is of the

essence so if someone has already done the research and can save me the

> time, I'd appreciate the info very much.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Chaps

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

is spot-on on this.  I meet Doug this last winter and is right, Doug didn't even know about co-infections.The one thing I would wonder about, though, is a frequency for cyst busting?  Would it be different than 432?

Earlier this spring I coiled 2112 and started reacting 10 seconds into treatment. I, stupidly, pushed to 35 seconds. 4 hours later I was in a herx that I thought would send me to the hospital.  I waited a week, coiled 15 seconds without much herx. Within two more weeks I was up to 2 minutes and no herx.  I was thinking I had busted cysts.

So, if I apply your theory , my herx was very different than my 432 herx, so it probably wasn't Lyme - or even Lyme cysts?It sure went away fast.  I've tried 2112 on several other occasions w/o a herx, but haven't tried it lately. hmmmm

:-)

 

,   Doug found that 625 worked great with spirochetes on a microscope slide but not as well when he coiled himself.  The same is true of 306.  I have yet to see anyone who cannot totally get rid of lyme with 432.  In addition, if you coil with 432 to the end of herxing and try any other frequency, you will not get lyme herxes.  You may kill something else off but it will not be lyme - you can tell by the difference in the herxing.  A few people claimed that they herxed with 612 (double 306) after herxing stopped with 432.  I asked them to be very observant and see if the 612 herxing was identical to what they got with 432 - it wasn't.  612 may be killing the sackie virus.

   Don't trust much of what you read.  Doug never thought he had co-infections until I described what I was

having - he said " I had that " a number of times.  He discovered at least 7 frequencies that he said were needed for lyme but in fact he was killing co-infections the entire time without knowing it.  He completely missed the fact that a new set of symptoms meant a new organisms was quickly reproducing because the previous one was significantly reduced.  I suppose that people thought that a new set of symptoms meant lyme was doing something different but they all missed what was really happening.  Rosner published that you need at least 10 frequencies for lyme, which is nonsense, because he just relayed what Doug said without knowing what was going on.  When I read that Rosner said you needed multiple frequencies for lyme, I immediately knew there could not be a biological reason that a bacterium would require more than one frequency. One thing that could cause more than one frequency  would be if lyme spirochetes came in a

very large range of sizes.  Their protein coats would cover vastly different surface areas so different frequencies might be needed - this is not the reality of lyme, however.   Not many people believed what I thought was happening,  but it is well known now that one frequency will do the job.  In fact, the people who use 306 and 612 waste quality time by not doing enough 432 and take much longer to beat lyme.

Subject: Re: Re: BCX Ultra vs. DougCoilTo: Lyme_and_Rife

Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 8:15 AM

 

I thought 432 was the best frequency for lyme, but Doug says 306.  What's going on?

From: Sunshine <jimjax2gmail (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wed, July 7, 2010 6:28:47 PM

Subject: Re: BCX Ultra vs. DougCoil 

Hi Chaps,Some of these rife machines are very good for other illnesses and the claim they work on these illnesses well makes them good machines, Lyme and Bartonella are much harder to kill off and machines that do well for other illnesses fall far short for Lyme and Bart.

It is the sheer raw power of the Doug Coil that makes it a Lyme killing machine. This is a letter Doug MacLean wrote I believe to the editor of his local newspaper... . Doug invented the Doug Coil Machine, then treated himself and his family back to health, they all had Lyme disease. He has never profited from this machine, instead he has shared his invention with anyone interested in building their own machine or building machines for others.

>>>>Letter from Doug MacLean, Coil Machine InventorDear Editor,This letter is long overdue. Remember, I was the one who called you from " Big City " with the electromagnetic machine

for Lyme disease?I became interested in the effects of electromagnetic fields about four years ago, when I was ill with Lyme disease. In the spring of 1990, my G.I. tract was most infected. I was unable to eat anything but Ensure-Plus, and lost 20 pounds in 14 days. I was put on an IV (2 grams Rocephin daily for a month). However, I was still losing the battle. A relative told me that back in the 1930's, researchers found that specific electromagnetic frequencies would kill micro-organisms. I could see that this might be possible. I had nothing to lose, so I set up an experiment with two objectives:

1. Test and prove the theory that electromagnetic waves at fixed frequencies can kill the Lyme spirochete in vitro.2. Try the same experiment in vivo.EXPERIMENT #1 - In vitroEquipment:1. Leitz microscope body with Zeiss 100x oil lens. 1.32 NA and 10x eye pieces. 1000 power with dark field turret.

2. Spare

lens.3. 2 ½ " x1 " slides with slipcovers.4. Function generator5. 700 watt audio amplifier. (Started with 20 watts).6. 400 gauss coil for microscope. Tried many different kinds. Put coil around condenser lens below slide.

7. Amp meter.8. Volt meter.9. Live spirochetes . Facilities to cultivate them. After observing the spirochetes for some time, I applied 625 Hz and noticed a number-of unusual reactions from them:a. Vibrated tail and appeared broken .

b. Bent back and forth from center.c. Spinning (100rpm).d. Straightened out.The spirochetes that reacted did die in 20 minutes to 2 hours. 600 Hz had the same effect. I knew that the response curve for resonance was symmetrical, so I went to the midpoint of 612 and found this frequency to be more effective. 920 seemed to be another kill frequency, and it occurred to me that I was on a harmonic of 306. I tested 306 and found it to be the most

effective for killing spirochetes - in fact, my wife and I had a " Herxheimer " for three days, from looking in the microscope when its coil was running at that frequency.EXPERIMENT #2 - In vivoEquipment:

1. Function generator2. Amplifier3. Amp meter4. Volt meter5. Oscilloscope6. CoilThe coil was held around head, chest, waist and legs. Time: 30 seconds per positions - 3 minutes. Reaction: As with antibiotic treatment, there was a Jarisch-Herxheimer response with symptoms becoming worse before they went away. The treatment continued once a month for six months before most symptoms disappeared. NOTE: Care should be taken in start-up treatment because of large Jarisch-Herxheimer reactions. Expect two years for complete recovery.

That was just about four years ago. Since then, I have gained back 40 pounds and work full time. Today, I enjoy good health, which I know is directly attributable to the

electromagnetic treatments. I have not had any antibiotics since 1989. Many people in our support group have treated themselves, with equally satisfying results. They built their own frequency machines with some differences, but basically the same unit. The components are available off the shelf from a nearby electronics and music store, for about $1500.

Sincerely, Doug<<<<<<Take care,Jim> >> > All:

> > The makers of the BCX Ultra (http://www. hymbas.com/ RIFEBCXUltra. html)with it's light wands and footpads says that its machine is the most powerful Rife machine available against Lyme. Prior to the advent of this machine, the Stolar-built Doug Coil has been the hands-down favorite in terms of power and effectiveness.

> > > > I would like to know if anyone has compared these two machines either in practical use or in examining specifications to determine which one is preferable. The BCX Ultra is more expensive, but it is capable of treating many other illnesses. I am trying to make a buying decision and time is of the essence so if someone has already done the research and

can save me the

time, I'd appreciate the info very much.> > > > Thanks,> > Chaps> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Stolar started using 432 and found it worked well, he suggested it to

others and it seems to work for them also... There are other good Lyme frx's

some have found also, 306 is one of them... I know many on our group have had

good results using 432..

According to Doug, stick with what is working until it works no longer, then try

other frx's... If you try another frx and it works, then use it... The purpose

is to find one that causes a herx... As long as you are herxing, you are killing

organisms and this is good...

Take care,

Jim

> > >

> > > All:

> > > The makers of the BCX Ultra (http://www.hymbas.com/RIFEBCXUltra.html)with

> >it's light wands and footpads says that its machine is the most powerful Rife

> >machine available against Lyme. Prior to the advent of this machine, the

> >Stolar-built Doug Coil has been the hands-down favorite in terms of power and

> >effectiveness.

> > >

> > > I would like to know if anyone has compared these two machines either in

> >practical use or in examining specifications to determine which one is

> >preferable. The BCX Ultra is more expensive, but it is capable of treating

many

> >other illnesses. I am trying to make a buying decision and time is of the

> >essence so if someone has already done the research and can save me the time,

> >I'd appreciate the info very much.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Chaps

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you . 432 it is! I'm glad I asked my original question. It seems to have stimulated a lot of very informative conversation. I feel reassured and confident with what I'm learning when you contribute to the listserv. Thank you for taking the time.

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 10:03:19 AMSubject: Re: Re: BCX Ultra vs. DougCoil

, Doug found that 625 worked great with spirochetes on a microscope slide but not as well when he coiled himself. The same is true of 306. I have yet to see anyone who cannot totally get rid of lyme with 432. In addition, if you coil with 432 to the end of herxing and try any other frequency, you will not get lyme herxes. You may kill something else off but it will not be lyme - you can tell by the difference in the herxing. A few people claimed that they herxed with 612 (double 306) after herxing stopped with 432. I asked them to be very observant and see if the 612 herxing was identical to what they got with 432 - it wasn't. 612 may be killing the sackie virus. Don't trust much of what you read. Doug never thought he had co-infections until I described what I was having - he said "I had that" a number of times. He discovered at least 7

frequencies that he said were needed for lyme but in fact he was killing co-infections the entire time without knowing it. He completely missed the fact that a new set of symptoms meant a new organisms was quickly reproducing because the previous one was significantly reduced. I suppose that people thought that a new set of symptoms meant lyme was doing something different but they all missed what was really happening. Rosner published that you need at least 10 frequencies for lyme, which is nonsense, because he just relayed what Doug said without knowing what was going on. When I read that Rosner said you needed multiple frequencies for lyme, I immediately knew there could not be a biological reason that a bacterium would require more than one frequency. One thing that could cause more than one frequency would be if lyme spirochetes came in a very large range of sizes. Their protein coats would cover vastly different

surface areas so different frequencies might be needed - this is not the reality of lyme, however. Not many people believed what I thought was happening, but it is well known now that one frequency will do the job. In fact, the people who use 306 and 612 waste quality time by not doing enough 432 and take much longer to beat lyme.

From: Clemens <denise_clemens@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: Re: BCX Ultra vs. DougCoilTo: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 8:15 AM

I thought 432 was the best frequency for lyme, but Doug says 306. What's going on?

From: Sunshine <jimjax2gmail (DOT) com>To: Lyme_and_Rife@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wed, July 7, 2010 6:28:47 PMSubject: Re: BCX Ultra vs. DougCoil

Hi Chaps,Some of these rife machines are very good for other illnesses and the claim they work on these illnesses well makes them good machines, Lyme and Bartonella are much harder to kill off and machines that do well for other illnesses fall far short for Lyme and Bart. It is the sheer raw power of the Doug Coil that makes it a Lyme killing machine. This is a letter Doug MacLean wrote I believe to the editor of his local newspaper... . Doug invented the Doug Coil Machine, then treated himself and his family back to health, they all had Lyme disease. He has never profited from this machine, instead he has shared his invention with anyone interested in building their own machine or building machines for others.>>>>Letter from Doug MacLean, Coil Machine InventorDear Editor,This letter is long overdue. Remember, I was the one who called you from "Big City" with the electromagnetic machine

for Lyme disease?I became interested in the effects of electromagnetic fields about four years ago, when I was ill with Lyme disease. In the spring of 1990, my G.I. tract was most infected. I was unable to eat anything but Ensure-Plus, and lost 20 pounds in 14 days. I was put on an IV (2 grams Rocephin daily for a month). However, I was still losing the battle. A relative told me that back in the 1930's, researchers found that specific electromagnetic frequencies would kill micro-organisms. I could see that this might be possible. I had nothing to lose, so I set up an experiment with two objectives:1. Test and prove the theory that electromagnetic waves at fixed frequencies can kill the Lyme spirochete in vitro.2. Try the same experiment in vivo.EXPERIMENT #1 - In vitroEquipment:1. Leitz microscope body with Zeiss 100x oil lens. 1.32 NA and 10x eye pieces. 1000 power with dark field turret.2. Spare

lens.3. 2 ½" x1" slides with slipcovers.4. Function generator5. 700 watt audio amplifier. (Started with 20 watts).6. 400 gauss coil for microscope. Tried many different kinds. Put coil around condenser lens below slide.7. Amp meter.8. Volt meter.9. Live spirochetes . Facilities to cultivate them. After observing the spirochetes for some time, I applied 625 Hz and noticed a number-of unusual reactions from them:a. Vibrated tail and appeared broken .b. Bent back and forth from center.c. Spinning (100rpm).d. Straightened out.The spirochetes that reacted did die in 20 minutes to 2 hours. 600 Hz had the same effect. I knew that the response curve for resonance was symmetrical, so I went to the midpoint of 612 and found this frequency to be more effective. 920 seemed to be another kill frequency, and it occurred to me that I was on a harmonic of 306. I tested 306 and found it to be the most

effective for killing spirochetes - in fact, my wife and I had a "Herxheimer" for three days, from looking in the microscope when its coil was running at that frequency.EXPERIMENT #2 - In vivoEquipment:1. Function generator2. Amplifier3. Amp meter4. Volt meter5. Oscilloscope6. CoilThe coil was held around head, chest, waist and legs. Time: 30 seconds per positions - 3 minutes. Reaction: As with antibiotic treatment, there was a Jarisch-Herxheimer response with symptoms becoming worse before they went away. The treatment continued once a month for six months before most symptoms disappeared. NOTE: Care should be taken in start-up treatment because of large Jarisch-Herxheimer reactions. Expect two years for complete recovery.That was just about four years ago. Since then, I have gained back 40 pounds and work full time. Today, I enjoy good health, which I know is directly attributable to the

electromagnetic treatments. I have not had any antibiotics since 1989. Many people in our support group have treated themselves, with equally satisfying results. They built their own frequency machines with some differences, but basically the same unit. The components are available off the shelf from a nearby electronics and music store, for about $1500.Sincerely, Doug<<<<<<Take care,Jim>

>> > All:> > The makers of the BCX Ultra (http://www. hymbas.com/ RIFEBCXUltra. html)with it's light wands and footpads says that its machine is the most powerful Rife machine available against Lyme. Prior to the advent of this machine, the Stolar-built Doug Coil has been the hands-down favorite in terms of power and effectiveness.> > > > I would like to know if anyone has compared these two machines either in practical use or in examining specifications to determine which one is preferable. The BCX Ultra is more expensive, but it is capable of treating many other illnesses. I am trying to make a buying decision and time is of the essence so if someone has already done the research and can save me the time, I'd appreciate the info very much.> > > > Thanks,> > Chaps>

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