Guest guest Posted February 25, 1999 Report Share Posted February 25, 1999 Joanne, You must get to a good family therapist iimmediately. They often have ways to " coerce " the kid to come in. Not just some therapist who " understands " --an experienced family therapist who is often a social worker but can be a psychologist, is never a psychiatrist. This person would have you all in a room together talking about interactions and trying to help your family system. Your drug treatment center may be able to help. Drugs are probably involved, as you say. Go immediately to their meetings and try to get her to go, because you do some things for her that she still wants. Get advice right now. Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 1999 Report Share Posted February 25, 1999 Joanne, You must get to a good family therapist iimmediately. They often have ways to " coerce " the kid to come in. Not just some therapist who " understands " --an experienced family therapist who is often a social worker but can be a psychologist, is never a psychiatrist. This person would have you all in a room together talking about interactions and trying to help your family system. Your drug treatment center may be able to help. Drugs are probably involved, as you say. Go immediately to their meetings and try to get her to go, because you do some things for her that she still wants. Get advice right now. Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 1999 Report Share Posted February 25, 1999 Joanne, You must get to a good family therapist iimmediately. They often have ways to " coerce " the kid to come in. Not just some therapist who " understands " --an experienced family therapist who is often a social worker but can be a psychologist, is never a psychiatrist. This person would have you all in a room together talking about interactions and trying to help your family system. Your drug treatment center may be able to help. Drugs are probably involved, as you say. Go immediately to their meetings and try to get her to go, because you do some things for her that she still wants. Get advice right now. Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 1999 Report Share Posted February 25, 1999 Joanne, Stick to your guns and hang in there. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 1999 Report Share Posted February 26, 1999 Dear Joanne, I feel so badly for you. Although Ido not have an children My sister is like your daughter. She is 10 years younger than me and has 2 children 11 and 13. She is a alocoholic who wo't admit it. She too has low self esteem. She has a new boyfriend who is living with her and the children and at least 2 or 3 times a week they have violent fights. My niece has called several times for my mom to come pick her up and she does not want to stay at home, We have tried to get counseling for her but she has the doctors all ooled in thinking she is fine. It is so hard on my mom and the rest of the family. I know it must have been hard to have your daughter leave your houshold. It also must be quite hard to hear your daughter say she will committ suicide. I have gone through it before. There is no simple solution. Yes my sister is still alive, but she talks about it often. I too don't know what to do except I went into counseling myself for my vulvar pain and the stress. I wish I could be of more help. Your friend. Michele D m20d@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 1999 Report Share Posted February 26, 1999 Dear Joanne, I feel so badly for you. Although Ido not have an children My sister is like your daughter. She is 10 years younger than me and has 2 children 11 and 13. She is a alocoholic who wo't admit it. She too has low self esteem. She has a new boyfriend who is living with her and the children and at least 2 or 3 times a week they have violent fights. My niece has called several times for my mom to come pick her up and she does not want to stay at home, We have tried to get counseling for her but she has the doctors all ooled in thinking she is fine. It is so hard on my mom and the rest of the family. I know it must have been hard to have your daughter leave your houshold. It also must be quite hard to hear your daughter say she will committ suicide. I have gone through it before. There is no simple solution. Yes my sister is still alive, but she talks about it often. I too don't know what to do except I went into counseling myself for my vulvar pain and the stress. I wish I could be of more help. Your friend. Michele D m20d@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Hi Bill,I would respectfully disagree with your differentiation between stress and distress.  According to the dictionaries I checked (and my own common usage) the word stress refers to the body's reaction to anything that throws it out of homeostasis or its usual (at rest?) state.  Distress is defined as extreme anxiety, sorrow or pain.  So while, distress is correctly used as only the most uncomfortable states of being, stress is correctly used for any reaction to stimuli, including " good " ones.  In my way of thinking, the formula would be consistent whether the " external force " was one's wedding or one's diagnosis of terminal cancer.  It would be the resistance to that force that would be the most accessible variable to manipulate in order to decrease the stress.  Terry, I'm sorry if it was confusing.  My brain works in strange ways.  It likes logic and explanations.  Maybe someone else might want to try different words.   Hey - Yeah. Bring on the equations!!!!!!!!! I think your logic might be more appropriately applied to distress (the bad kind of stress). The good kind keeps us safe, etc.. The challenge is to know the difference. I'll be interested where this thread will take us. BillTo: ACT_for_the_Public From: castonemsw@...Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:28:05 -0400Subject: stress I have been reading the threads about meditation and acceptance and pain and tension.  I thought this idea might be relevant to some of you.  I was talking with an engineer the other day about stress.  The definition of stress in the realm of physics is " the internal resistance of a body to an applied force or system of forces which tends to deform the body. "  I noticed that this definition is also applicable to the psychological term " stress " .  If you look at it with an ACT lens, you might say that the world exerts a perpetual series of forces on a human which tends to deform (or alter) the human and  resistance to said force increases the deformation.   If stress = resistance + applied force (please physicists dont take this too literally, I know the real equation is more complex),  it might stand to reason that, given the external forces of the world are frequently not within the control of said human, the way to reduce the stress is to reduce the internal resistance.         stress = resistance + applied force  OR X=8+3 OR X=11BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4            It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases.  X= (8+5) +3; X=16 Just a thought.       -- -- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609castonemsw@... www.betterthinking-betterlife.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Why would I want to decrease good stress?BillSent via DROID on Verizon Wireless stressI have been reading the threads about meditation and acceptance and pain and tension.  I thought this idea might be relevant to some of you.  I was talking with an engineer the other day about stress.  The definition of stress in the realm of physics is " the internal resistance of a body to an applied force or system of forces which tends to deform the body. "  I noticed that this definition is also applicable to the psychological term " stress " .  If you look at it with an ACT lens, you might say that the world exerts a perpetual series of forces on a human which tends to deform (or alter) the human and  resistance to said force increases the deformation.   If stress = resistance + applied force (please physicists dont take this too literally, I know the real equation is more complex),  it might stand to reason that, given the external forces of the world are frequently not within the control of said human, the way to reduce the stress is to reduce the internal resistance.         stress = resistance + applied force  OR X=8+3 OR X=11BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4           It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases.  X= (8+5) +3; X=16Just a thought.      -- -- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609(864) 238-2003castonemsw@...www.betterthinking-betterlife.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 the " stress " is not the event or trigger.  It is the reaction to it.  Often events or things we judge as " good " also cause a stress reaction like anxiety.  I know my own wedding made me nervous as hell.  (though in retrospect the judgement that it was a " good " event was a bit off LOL).   Why would I want to decrease good stress?BillSent via DROID on Verizon Wireless stress I have been reading the threads about meditation and acceptance and pain and tension.  I thought this idea might be relevant to some of you.  I was talking with an engineer the other day about stress.  The definition of stress in the realm of physics is " the internal resistance of a body to an applied force or system of forces which tends to deform the body. "  I noticed that this definition is also applicable to the psychological term " stress " .  If you look at it with an ACT lens, you might say that the world exerts a perpetual series of forces on a human which tends to deform (or alter) the human and  resistance to said force increases the deformation.   If stress = resistance + applied force (please physicists dont take this too literally, I know the real equation is more complex),  it might stand to reason that, given the external forces of the world are frequently not within the control of said human, the way to reduce the stress is to reduce the internal resistance.         stress = resistance + applied force  OR X=8+3 OR X=11BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4            It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases.  X= (8+5) +3; X=16 Just a thought.       -- -- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609 castonemsw@... www.betterthinking-betterlife.com -- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609castonemsw@... www.betterthinking-betterlife.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 So why would I want to reduce the good reaction to the event - the reaction that is useful? I think we are disagreeing on the definition of stress. I agree with your equation using your definition of stress. BillSent via DROID on Verizon Wireless stressI have been reading the threads about meditation and acceptance and pain and tension.  I thought this idea might be relevant to some of you.  I was talking with an engineer the other day about stress.  The definition of stress in the realm of physics is " the internal resistance of a body to an applied force or system of forces which tends to deform the body. "  I noticed that this definition is also applicable to the psychological term " stress " .  If you look at it with an ACT lens, you might say that the world exerts a perpetual series of forces on a human which tends to deform (or alter) the human and  resistance to said force increases the deformation.   If stress = resistance + applied force (please physicists dont take this too literally, I know the real equation is more complex),  it might stand to reason that, given the external forces of the world are frequently not within the control of said human, the way to reduce the stress is to reduce the internal resistance.         stress = resistance + applied force  OR X=8+3 OR X=11BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4           It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases.  X= (8+5) +3; X=16Just a thought.      -- -- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609(864) 238-2003castonemsw@...www.betterthinking-betterlife.com-- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609(864) 238-2003castonemsw@...www.betterthinking-betterlife.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 well, of course, you wouldnt want to reduce something you experience as good.  I just meant that sometimes we have reactions that are unpleasant or what I call stressful, to events that are overall judged (by me) as good.   So why would I want to reduce the good reaction to the event - the reaction that is useful? I think we are disagreeing on the definition of stress. I agree with your equation using your definition of stress. Bill Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless stress I have been reading the threads about meditation and acceptance and pain and tension.  I thought this idea might be relevant to some of you.  I was talking with an engineer the other day about stress.  The definition of stress in the realm of physics is " the internal resistance of a body to an applied force or system of forces which tends to deform the body. "  I noticed that this definition is also applicable to the psychological term " stress " .  If you look at it with an ACT lens, you might say that the world exerts a perpetual series of forces on a human which tends to deform (or alter) the human and  resistance to said force increases the deformation.   If stress = resistance + applied force (please physicists dont take this too literally, I know the real equation is more complex),  it might stand to reason that, given the external forces of the world are frequently not within the control of said human, the way to reduce the stress is to reduce the internal resistance.         stress = resistance + applied force  OR X=8+3 OR X=11BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4            It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases.  X= (8+5) +3; X=16 Just a thought.       -- -- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609 castonemsw@... www.betterthinking-betterlife.com -- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609castonemsw@... www.betterthinking-betterlife.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Indeed we do. Nice post. Thanks. BillSent via DROID on Verizon Wireless stressI have been reading the threads about meditation and acceptance and pain and tension.  I thought this idea might be relevant to some of you.  I was talking with an engineer the other day about stress.  The definition of stress in the realm of physics is " the internal resistance of a body to an applied force or system of forces which tends to deform the body. "  I noticed that this definition is also applicable to the psychological term " stress " .  If you look at it with an ACT lens, you might say that the world exerts a perpetual series of forces on a human which tends to deform (or alter) the human and  resistance to said force increases the deformation.   If stress = resistance + applied force (please physicists dont take this too literally, I know the real equation is more complex),  it might stand to reason that, given the external forces of the world are frequently not within the control of said human, the way to reduce the stress is to reduce the internal resistance.         stress = resistance + applied force  OR X=8+3 OR X=11BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4           It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases.  X= (8+5) +3; X=16Just a thought.      -- -- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609(864) 238-2003castonemsw@...www.betterthinking-betterlife.com-- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609(864) 238-2003castonemsw@...www.betterthinking-betterlife.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I think I've become hung-up on the common expression 'dumbing down', hence this off-topic, slightly ranty, post. To me it sounds vaguely like a put-down, as if someone's not smart enough to understand what's being said. The word 'simplify' might be better. Every field of human activity has a collection of technical words that are used to refer to often complex concepts very quickly and with fewer words than would otherwise be necessary. The trick with talking about these concepts with a general audience is to simplify them in a way that retains the meaning the jargon words convey. Before I retired early last year, I worked in IT. As you know, the world of computers is full of technical terms which most people don't (and shouldn't be expected to) know. Part of my job was to write documents and manuals for two kinds of audience: technical and non-technical. If the documents were intended for experts, I'd use jargon freely, knowing they would understand. If they were for the general reader, I'd try to find simpler ways to say the same thing, sometimes using everyday analogies. ACT of course has its own jargon. Talk to someone who's never heard of fusion, defusion, struggle, willingness, acceptance, the observing self, or the hexaflex, and you'd get more than a few blank looks! I think anyone who encounters this forum without knowing what these words mean would be a bit confused by the terms we use so freely. Cheers, Stan > > > > > > Hey - Yeah. Bring on the equations!!!!!!!!! I think your logic might be more appropriately applied to distress (the bad kind of stress). The good kind keeps us safe, etc.. The challenge is to know the difference. > > I'll be interested where this thread will take us. > > Bill > > > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > From: castonemsw@ > > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:28:05 -0400 > > Subject: stress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been reading the threads about meditation and acceptance and pain and tension. I thought this idea might be relevant to some of you. I was talking with an engineer the other day about stress. The definition of stress in the realm of physics is " the internal resistance of a body to an applied force or system of forces which tends to deform the body. " I noticed that this definition is also applicable to the psychological term " stress " . If you look at it with an ACT lens, you might say that the world exerts a perpetual series of forces on a human which tends to deform (or alter) the human and resistance to said force increases the deformation. > > > > If stress = resistance + applied force (please physicists dont take this too literally, I know the real equation is more complex), it might stand to reason that, given the external forces of the world are frequently not within the control of said human, the way to reduce the stress is to reduce the internal resistance. > > stress = resistance + applied force OR X=8+3 OR X=11BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4 > > It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases. X= (8+5) +3; X=16 > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 ....so what you resist persists? Hey - Yeah. Bring on the equations!!!!!!!!! I think your logic might be more appropriately applied to distress (the bad kind of stress). The good kind keeps us safe, etc.. The challenge is to know the difference. I'll be interested where this thread will take us. Bill To: ACT_for_the_Public From: castonemsw@...Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:28:05 -0400Subject: stress I have been reading the threads about meditation and acceptance and pain and tension. I thought this idea might be relevant to some of you. I was talking with an engineer the other day about stress. The definition of stress in the realm of physics is "the internal resistance of a body to an applied force or system of forces which tends to deform the body." I noticed that this definition is also applicable to the psychological term "stress". If you look at it with an ACT lens, you might say that the world exerts a perpetual series of forces on a human which tends to deform (or alter) the human and resistance to said force increases the deformation. If stress = resistance + applied force (please physicists dont take this too literally, I know the real equation is more complex), it might stand to reason that, given the external forces of the world are frequently not within the control of said human, the way to reduce the stress is to reduce the internal resistance. stress = resistance + applied force OR X=8+3 OR X=11 BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4 It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases. X= (8+5) +3; X=16 Just a thought. -- -- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609(864) 238-2003castonemsw@...www.betterthinking-betterlife.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Please totally ignore this - utterly confusing! I was in the middle of responding when I accidentally sent this post in the middle of a copy/paste. The intended post will follow ... stress> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought.> > > > > > > --> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Here's the final version of my response (sorry for the mis-post): Definition of terms: S - Stress: Whatever we perceive as stressful AF - Applied Force: applied external forces - on our body/psyche (my question: do not these forces also stem from internal sources, such as thoughts?) R - Resistance: the effort to reduce applied external forces; any energy expended for the purpose of reducing those forces, including mind/body work, for example Equation: Stress is the sum of Resistance and Applied Force, or S=R+AF Assume that the amount of Resistance and Applied Force can be rated on a scale of 1-20 Therefore, if Resistance = 8, and Applied Force = 3, then Stress equals 11 Thus, if we could reduce Resistance on the scale (say to 1), then Stress would be reduced to 4 (much lower when resistance is lowered) Don't know if this helps or muddies the water... Helena > stress = resistance + applied force OR X=8+3 OR X=11BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4> It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases. X= (8+5) +3; X=16 Re: stress Bill, can you or dumb it down some? Have no idea what is being said. Thanks,Theresa For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.orgIf you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Us Spanish foreigners use metric ______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El vie, 3/6/11, hbbr Asunto: Re: Re: stressPara: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: viernes, 3 de junio, 2011 10:40 I am using the measuring system that says I have five fingers on each hand and so do you (I assume). Don't know nuttin' 'bout Imperial units of measurement. And metric is for foreigners, right? Us Americans don't do metric. Helena : ) Re: stress Bill, can you or dumb it down some? Have no idea what is being said. Thanks,Theresa For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.orgIf you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 We've been trying to switch to the metric system for decades. I agree that it makes a lot more sense than the standard US system. However, I believe that it will finally take hold only after it is taught in schools to new generations. I'm not sure if that is being done now or not. Helena Re: stress> >  > > > > Bill, can you or dumb it down some? Have no idea what is being said. > > Thanks,> Theresa> > > For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.org> > If you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may > unsubscribe by sending an email to > ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe > > MARKETPLACE> > > Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center.> > > > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now.> > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use> > > .>  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Love your down to earth responseYour calculations might not be very scientific but they make senseSent from my iPhone I am using the measuring system that says I have five fingers on each hand and so do you (I assume). Don't know nuttin' 'bout Imperial units of measurement. And metric is for foreigners, right? Us Americans don't do metric. Helena : ) Re: stress Bill, can you or dumb it down some? Have no idea what is being said. Thanks,Theresa For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.orgIf you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Thus, if we could reduce Resistance on the scale (say to 1), then Stress would be reduced to 4 (much lower when resistance is lowered). Thanks, Helena for taking the time to clarify the thrust of what was being said in relation to stress and resistance. Sheez.. the request for clarity felt a bit like pulling teeth. It wasn't exactly easy to admit I didn't understand the equation (all my "Gee, I'm stupid" stuff came up, as Bill asked for more equations, but I pushed through it and asked for clarification anyway). Was simply asking for the essence of what the thesis was presenting in more digestible lay language. It was a pretty straightforward request and I can't imagine it being impossible to do. More like unwilling to do. As far as "dumb it down for me, I have no clue what is being said"--it's a common expression about being hazy regarding the overall thrust of the post. The words were not meant to be taken personally, literally, fused with. It was about me, not others here.I was genuinely interested at the onset in learning more about what was forwarding, but the fun somewhere along the way kinda sucked out of me. Theresa To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 3:27:10 AMSubject: Re: Re: stress Here's the final version of my response (sorry for the mis-post): Definition of terms: S - Stress: Whatever we perceive as stressful AF - Applied Force: applied external forces - on our body/psyche (my question: do not these forces also stem from internal sources, such as thoughts?) R - Resistance: the effort to reduce applied external forces; any energy expended for the purpose of reducing those forces, including mind/body work, for example Equation: Stress is the sum of Resistance and Applied Force, or S=R+AF Assume that the amount of Resistance and Applied Force can be rated on a scale of 1-20 Therefore, if Resistance = 8, and Applied Force = 3, then Stress equals 11 Thus, if we could reduce Resistance on the scale (say to 1), then Stress would be reduced to 4 (much lower when resistance is lowered) Don't know if this helps or muddies the water... Helena > stress = resistance + applied force OR X=8+3 OR X=11BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4> It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases. X= (8+5) +3; X=16 Re: stress Bill, can you or dumb it down some? Have no idea what is being said. Thanks,Theresa For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.orgIf you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Yes, I think that what we resist persists. Resisting is such a habit for me, that it will take time and patience to change such a pattern. At least I often recognize the resistance now, even though I am only sometimes able to actually give in and let be. XXX______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El vie, 3/6/11, Stolton escribió:De: Stolton Asunto: Re: stressPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: viernes, 3 de junio, 2011 08:11 ....so what you resist persists? Hey - Yeah. Bring on the equations!!!!!!!!! I think your logic might be more appropriately applied to distress (the bad kind of stress). The good kind keeps us safe, etc.. The challenge is to know the difference. I'll be interested where this thread will take us. Bill To: ACT_for_the_Public From: castonemsw@...Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:28:05 -0400Subject: stress I have been reading the threads about meditation and acceptance and pain and tension. I thought this idea might be relevant to some of you. I was talking with an engineer the other day about stress. The definition of stress in the realm of physics is "the internal resistance of a body to an applied force or system of forces which tends to deform the body." I noticed that this definition is also applicable to the psychological term "stress". If you look at it with an ACT lens, you might say that the world exerts a perpetual series of forces on a human which tends to deform (or alter) the human and resistance to said force increases the deformation. If stress = resistance + applied force (please physicists dont take this too literally, I know the real equation is more complex), it might stand to reason that, given the external forces of the world are frequently not within the control of said human, the way to reduce the stress is to reduce the internal resistance. stress = resistance + applied force OR X=8+3 OR X=11 BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4 It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases. X= (8+5) +3; X=16 Just a thought. -- -- A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP210 West Stone AveGreenville, SC 29609(864) 238-2003castonemsw@...www.betterthinking-betterlife.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Glad it made sense to you. Sometimes people get sidetracked after a simple comment or request - it triggers some response in them that doesn't really address what was said or requested - or they didn't have to time to fully answer your question at the moment but had enough time to spout off about something else. I think we all do that from time to time - good time to remember to hold it all lightly and not let anyone's response suck anything out of you, especially not the FUN! This somehow reminds me of the title of one of the original popular self-help books (circa 1970's) - anyone here old enough to remember the book I'm OK, You're OK ? To this day, I try to remember that. Having fun, Helena Re: stress Bill, can you or dumb it down some? Have no idea what is being said. Thanks,Theresa For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.orgIf you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 it is for me to, but lately I have just been observing that too and allowing it to be, instead of tying to resist that itself, or trying to undo or fix it it really just leaves so quickly without the added energy of trying not to have it thought > reaction > > >  > > > > Hey - Yeah. Bring on the equations!!!!!!!!! I think your logic might be more appropriately applied to distress (the bad kind of stress). The good kind keeps us safe, etc.. The challenge is to know the difference. > > > I'll be interested where this thread will take us. > > > Bill > > > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > From: castonemsw@... > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:28:05 -0400 > Subject: stress > > > > > > > I have been reading the threads about meditation and acceptance and pain and tension.  I thought this idea might be relevant to some of you.  I was talking with an engineer the other day about stress.  The definition of stress in the realm of physics is " the internal resistance of a body to an applied force or system of forces which tends to deform the body. "  I noticed that this definition is also applicable to the psychological term " stress " .  If you look at it with an ACT lens, you might say that the world exerts a perpetual series of forces on a human which tends to deform (or alter) the human and  resistance to said force increases the deformation.  > > >  If stress = resistance + applied force (please physicists dont take this too literally, I know the real equation is more complex),  it might stand to reason that, given the external forces of the world are frequently not within the control of said human, the way to reduce the stress is to reduce the internal resistance. >         stress = resistance + applied force  OR X=8+3 OR X=11 > BUT IF resistance is reduced to 1, then stress = 4 >            > It might also be said that if the body, instead, applies energy or work in effort to reduce the applied external force, that energy or work IS resistance and thus the stress also increases.  X= (8+5) +3; X=16 > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > > >       > -- > > > > > > > > > > -- > A. Stone, MSW,LISW-CP > 210 West Stone Ave > Greenville, SC 29609 > > castonemsw@... > www.betterthinking-betterlife.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Helena, thanks. I know you mean well, and this isn't a technical board and yes, the fun of it has been sucked out of it for me and that's really O.K. with me now. I've read other posts from the O.P. and she's more than capable of explaining herself in lay terms. How about just let me have me have my experience be what it is now rather than lecturing with "good time to remember to hold it all lightly and don't let anyone's response suck anything out you". Feels a bit precipitous for me right now, like denying what is so for me right now. Sometimes I skip that step of acceptance and in so doing, skip out on lots of some true gems found underneath that.kind regards,Theresa p.s. If all is being said here amongst all the numbers and and formulas and such is that Resistance tends to create more Persistence, that's an age old truism emanating from many traditions and is the cornerstone of much of what ACT is about. To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 8:16:23 AMSubject: Re: Re: stress Glad it made sense to you. Sometimes people get sidetracked after a simple comment or request - it triggers some response in them that doesn't really address what was said or requested - or they didn't have to time to fully answer your question at the moment but had enough time to spout off about something else. I think we all do that from time to time - good time to remember to hold it all lightly and not let anyone's response suck anything out of you, especially not the FUN! This somehow reminds me of the title of one of the original popular self-help books (circa 1970's) - anyone here old enough to remember the book I'm OK, You're OK ? To this day, I try to remember that. Having fun, Helena Re: stress Bill, can you or dumb it down some? Have no idea what is being said. Thanks,Theresa For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.orgIf you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I hear you, Theresa. Yes, you should allow your own experience to be what it is. It is YOUR experience. But you can allow your own experience to be what it is even if someone does put out a gentle comment (not a lecture) about what works for them. The gist of what said, which is that resistance to outside forces ("what is") increases stress, may have resonated better with some people because she chose to portray that concept using an equation--but not to others. I didn't mean to rile you up; seems to happen a lot between us. I think it best that I simply stop responding to your posts - no ill feelings. Helena Re: stress Bill, can you or dumb it down some? Have no idea what is being said. Thanks,Theresa For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.orgIf you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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