Guest guest Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Not sure where I know this from, but " the whites " is an excess of the normal white vaginal discharge. All those astringents perhaps confirm this! Helen RE:whites Dear All, Excuse last empty posting, I still forget to check when I press the reply button! There are numerous mentions of 'the whites' in Culpeper with treatment often internally as decoction of various simple herbs including Adders tongue, Archangel, Burnet, Cinquefoil, Clary, Comfrey, Mint, Moonwort, Oak, Purslane, Meadowsweet, Rose, Rosemary, s seal, Wild tansy, Tormentil, Trefoil, Yarrow - some of these would be astringent, not sure of others. Culpeper, , 1616-1654. The English physitian, or An astrologo-physical discourse of the vulgar herbs of this nation being a compleat method of physick, whereby a man may preserve his body in health, or cure himself being sick for three pence charge, with such things only as grow in England ... 1652 Anne Stobart, MNIMH Programme Leader, BScHons Herbal Medicine, Middlesex University, Queensway, Enfield EN3 4SA Tel: 020 8411 6819 Email:a.stobart@... Website: www.mdx.ac.uk/cmh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 So are the " numerous mentions " of whites due to a historic misunderstanding of the ebbs and flow of vaginal discharge, a sense of prudishness regarding the nether regions and hence a subject not investigated or the product of women wearing tightly bound corsets for too many years? Lack of hygiene? All of the above? None of the above? I'd be interested in hearing opinions. Regards, Kerry Helen Duxbury wrote: > Not sure where I know this from, but " the whites " is an excess of the > normal white vaginal discharge. All those astringents perhaps confirm > this! > > Helen > > RE:whites > > Dear All, > Excuse last empty posting, I still forget to check when I press the > reply button! > > There are numerous mentions of 'the whites' in Culpeper with treatment > often internally as decoction of various simple herbs including Adders > tongue, Archangel, Burnet, Cinquefoil, Clary, Comfrey, Mint, Moonwort, > Oak, Purslane, Meadowsweet, Rose, Rosemary, s seal, Wild tansy, > Tormentil, Trefoil, Yarrow - some of these would be astringent, not sure > of others. > > Culpeper, , 1616-1654. > The English physitian, or An astrologo-physical discourse of the vulgar > herbs of this nation being a compleat method of physick, whereby a man > may preserve his body in health, or cure himself being sick for three > pence charge, with such things only as grow in England ... 1652 > > Anne Stobart, MNIMH > Programme Leader, BScHons Herbal Medicine, > Middlesex University, Queensway, Enfield EN3 4SA > Tel: 020 8411 6819 Email:a.stobart@... > <mailto:a.stobart%40mdx.ac.uk> > > Website: www.mdx.ac.uk/cmh > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 In Culpeper under archangel white for the whites and red for the reds referring to lamium in various forms for vaginal discharge, so predates the ns by a couple of centuries at least! RE:whites > > Dear All, > Excuse last empty posting, I still forget to check when I press the > reply button! > > There are numerous mentions of 'the whites' in Culpeper with treatment > often internally as decoction of various simple herbs including Adders > tongue, Archangel, Burnet, Cinquefoil, Clary, Comfrey, Mint, Moonwort, > Oak, Purslane, Meadowsweet, Rose, Rosemary, s seal, Wild tansy, > Tormentil, Trefoil, Yarrow - some of these would be astringent, not sure > of others. > > Culpeper, , 1616-1654. > The English physitian, or An astrologo-physical discourse of the vulgar > herbs of this nation being a compleat method of physick, whereby a man > may preserve his body in health, or cure himself being sick for three > pence charge, with such things only as grow in England ... 1652 > > Anne Stobart, MNIMH > Programme Leader, BScHons Herbal Medicine, > Middlesex University, Queensway, Enfield EN3 4SA > Tel: 020 8411 6819 Email:a.stobart@... > <mailto:a.stobart%40mdx.ac.uk> > > Website: www.mdx.ac.uk/cmh > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I have actually had a new patient last week, who has had what she feels is excessive vaginal discharge for years. The discharge is mucoid in appearance - she has to wear pant liners every day. The discharge has on occasion changed to yellow / brown with a foul odour, which has then resolved - without antibiotics. No itching. This lady had early cervical changes quite a few years ago, and had a 'scrape' to remove. She has not had a smear for a while. There is no blood or pink tinge to the discharge. She has had one child 17 years ago, by caesarian section (with no complications), her cycle is regular, she has moderate bleeding for five days with no clotting. This discharge appeared when her child was a few months old - she was having a very stressful time, and began to bleed, like a period, for what she thinks was weeks! But did not investigate, because of everything else going on. The bleeding stopped, and the discharge began. She has seen doctors but no-one could give her an explanation. I have not really had anything like this before - any ideas? Excessive discharges make me think of leaky membranes and a lack of tone, but her cycle / menstruation habit seems to show good uterine tone at least. I have started her off with astringents, uterine tonics and immune support. I would be grateful for any input. > In Culpeper under archangel white for the whites and red for the reds > referring to lamium in various forms for vaginal discharge, so predates > the ns by a couple of centuries at least! > > RE:whites > > > > Dear All, > > Excuse last empty posting, I still forget to check when I press the > > reply button! > > > > There are numerous mentions of 'the whites' in Culpeper with treatment > > often internally as decoction of various simple herbs including Adders > > tongue, Archangel, Burnet, Cinquefoil, Clary, Comfrey, Mint, Moonwort, > > Oak, Purslane, Meadowsweet, Rose, Rosemary, s seal, Wild tansy, > > Tormentil, Trefoil, Yarrow - some of these would be astringent, not > sure > > of others. > > > > Culpeper, , 1616-1654. > > The English physitian, or An astrologo-physical discourse of the > vulgar > > herbs of this nation being a compleat method of physick, whereby a man > > may preserve his body in health, or cure himself being sick for three > > pence charge, with such things only as grow in England ... 1652 > > > > Anne Stobart, MNIMH > > Programme Leader, BScHons Herbal Medicine, > > Middlesex University, Queensway, Enfield EN3 4SA > > Tel: 020 8411 6819 Email:a.stobart@... > > <mailto:a.stobart%40mdx.ac.uk> > > > > Website: www.mdx.ac.uk/cmh > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I had a patient a couple of years ago (recently came back for something else which was nice!) who was bothered by what she felt was excessive discharge since having second child. She was also very emotional and unsettled at the time having only recently moved to UK from France and having given up job, left support of family etc. I can't remember whole prescription but included nervines, pelvic circulation and for discharge I used Lamium which worked to great effect quite quickly on that aspect. But she had only had it for a year or so and there was no discolouration or itching. If this lady has not had a recent smear after an incident in the past I would recommend she asked for one. Dore RE:whites > > > > Dear All, > > Excuse last empty posting, I still forget to check when I press the > > reply button! > > > > There are numerous mentions of 'the whites' in Culpeper with treatment > > often internally as decoction of various simple herbs including Adders > > tongue, Archangel, Burnet, Cinquefoil, Clary, Comfrey, Mint, Moonwort, > > Oak, Purslane, Meadowsweet, Rose, Rosemary, s seal, Wild tansy, > > Tormentil, Trefoil, Yarrow - some of these would be astringent, not > sure > > of others. > > > > Culpeper, , 1616-1654. > > The English physitian, or An astrologo-physical discourse of the > vulgar > > herbs of this nation being a compleat method of physick, whereby a man > > may preserve his body in health, or cure himself being sick for three > > pence charge, with such things only as grow in England ... 1652 > > > > Anne Stobart, MNIMH > > Programme Leader, BScHons Herbal Medicine, > > Middlesex University, Queensway, Enfield EN3 4SA > > Tel: 020 8411 6819 Email:a.stobart@... > > <mailto:a.stobart%40mdx.ac.uk> > > > > Website: www.mdx.ac.uk/cmh > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Thanks, - I had not really considered pelvic circ. although she does not actually have great peripheral circulation either. Break out the cinnamon... I have suggested she go for a smear. She knows she should have done it long ago... I think it's a bit of the head in the sand syndrome. Cheers, > I had a patient a couple of years ago (recently came back for something > else which was nice!) who was bothered by what she felt was excessive > discharge since having second child. She was also very emotional and > unsettled at the time having only recently moved to UK from France and > having given up job, left support of family etc. I can't remember whole > prescription but included nervines, pelvic circulation and for discharge I > used Lamium which worked to great effect quite quickly on that aspect. > But she had only had it for a year or so and there was no discolouration > or itching. > > If this lady has not had a recent smear after an incident in the past I > would recommend she asked for one. > > Dore > RE:whites > > > > > > Dear All, > > > Excuse last empty posting, I still forget to check when I press the > > > reply button! > > > > > > There are numerous mentions of 'the whites' in Culpeper with > treatment > > > often internally as decoction of various simple herbs including > Adders > > > tongue, Archangel, Burnet, Cinquefoil, Clary, Comfrey, Mint, > Moonwort, > > > Oak, Purslane, Meadowsweet, Rose, Rosemary, s seal, Wild > tansy, > > > Tormentil, Trefoil, Yarrow - some of these would be astringent, not > > sure > > > of others. > > > > > > Culpeper, , 1616-1654. > > > The English physitian, or An astrologo-physical discourse of the > > vulgar > > > herbs of this nation being a compleat method of physick, whereby a > man > > > may preserve his body in health, or cure himself being sick for > three > > > pence charge, with such things only as grow in England ... 1652 > > > > > > Anne Stobart, MNIMH > > > Programme Leader, BScHons Herbal Medicine, > > > Middlesex University, Queensway, Enfield EN3 4SA > > > Tel: 020 8411 6819 Email:a.stobart@... > > > <mailto:a.stobart%40mdx.ac.uk> > > > > > > Website: www.mdx.ac.uk/cmh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Hi Excessive discharge is a common symptom of cervical ectropion or erosion, which can happne during/after pregnancy. orthodox trealemt is usually to leave it alone unless it becomes a real problem. Then it gets lasered - supposed to be painless. It frequently resolves itself. You may hear patients telling you they've got an erosion. smear is essentail, as you have already told her. After that, astringents as people have said. On top of that I have found beetroot juice to be superb at " fixing " abnormal cervixes. I've used it for a number of bothersome erosions, and a few pre-cancerous cervical changes, plus a couple of cancerous ones as well. The only one it didn't effect was someone who came to me with advanced cervical cancer - she ignored all warning signs and people telling her to get checked out, for over 2 years by which time it had spread so that she couldn't even sit down (lay on couch for consultation). I say it didn't effect her - but actually she is still alive a year later. It has quite a peppery taste so get patient to mix it with carrot juice, and apple if she wishes. She'll need a juicer, and she needs to have it daily. Having fresh juice will do wonders for her anyway. I've also given same advice to someone who had growths in uterus (Tamoxifen after breast Ca, and then another breast Ca but worse). the growths just disappeared. It's the only time I've used it for within the uterus but I was majorly impressed. Not half as impressed as the oncologist though. Hope that is useful ======================================== Message Received: Dec 05 2007, 11:10 AM From: rlangford@... To: ukherbal-list Cc: Subject: Re: RE:whites Thanks, - I had not really considered pelvic circ. although she does not actually have great peripheral circulation either. Break out the cinnamon... I have suggested she go for a smear. She knows she should have done it long ago... I think it's a bit of the head in the sand syndrome. Cheers, > I had a patient a couple of years ago (recently came back for something > else which was nice!) who was bothered by what she felt was excessive > discharge since having second child. She was also very emotional and > unsettled at the time having only recently moved to UK from France and > having given up job, left support of family etc. I can't remember whole > prescription but included nervines, pelvic circulation and for discharge I > used Lamium which worked to great effect quite quickly on that aspect. > But she had only had it for a year or so and there was no discolouration > or itching. > > If this lady has not had a recent smear after an incident in the past I > would recommend she asked for one. > > Dore > RE:whites > > > > > > Dear All, > > > Excuse last empty posting, I still forget to check when I press the > > > reply button! > > > > > > There are numerous mentions of 'the whites' in Culpeper with > treatment > > > often internally as decoction of various simple herbs including > Adders > > > tongue, Archangel, Burnet, Cinquefoil, Clary, Comfrey, Mint, > Moonwort, > > > Oak, Purslane, Meadowsweet, Rose, Rosemary, s seal, Wild > tansy, > > > Tormentil, Trefoil, Yarrow - some of these would be astringent, not > > sure > > > of others. > > > > > > Culpeper, , 1616-1654. > > > The English physitian, or An astrologo-physical discourse of the > > vulgar > > > herbs of this nation being a compleat method of physick, whereby a > man > > > may preserve his body in health, or cure himself being sick for > three > > > pence charge, with such things only as grow in England ... 1652 > > > > > > Anne Stobart, MNIMH > > > Programme Leader, BScHons Herbal Medicine, > > > Middlesex University, Queensway, Enfield EN3 4SA > > > Tel: 020 8411 6819 Email:a.stobart@... > > > <mailto:a.stobart%40mdx.ac.uk> > > > > > > Website: www.mdx.ac.uk/cmh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Hi , what amazing results. Can I ask you how much beetroot juice do you recommend to your patients? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Hi Sorry I get caught up in being busy and only post every so often - if anyone responds it could be days before i read it. Usually I tell them to have one beetroot per day, with 1-2 carrots, and one apple. That makes quite a bit of juice. A bit of ice in the glass slows the oxidation process. They can put it in a flask and drink some a couple of times a day, or drink the whole lot in one go - a juice like this is quite filling and is almost a meal. Some patients have said they only do it 3 - 4 times a week and that seems to have worked anyway. Some have asked if they could just eat the beetroot instead, but when you ask them if they want to eat beetroot every day, they quickly realise the juice is a better option. I've never had anyone say they don't like it, usually the opposite and they've tried other juices as well as a result. I give them a recipe for beetroot salad (from Vegetarian Kitchen by brown or is it Green?)for days when they want to eat beetroot - I have no idea if pickled beetroot works, so the recipe for raw beetroot is helpful, and it's a delicious salad. best wishes ======================================== Message Received: Dec 05 2007, 07:28 PM To: ukherbal-list Cc: Subject: Re: RE:whites Hi , what amazing results. Can I ask you how much beetroot juice do you recommend to your patients? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Hi Cherry Hills (wife of ce Hills - HDRA) who wrote about the benefits of beetroot in mopping up dodgy cells back in the 60s definitely specified raw. (she said it contains catalase) (Many thanks for practical specs - really clear and do-able ;-) ) Sally O > Hi > > Sorry I get caught up in being busy and only post every so often - > if anyone responds it could be days before i read it. > > Usually I tell them to have one beetroot per day, with 1-2 carrots, > and one apple. That makes quite a bit of juice. A bit of ice in the > glass slows the oxidation process. They can put it in a flask and > drink some a couple of times a day, or drink the whole lot in one > go - a juice like this is quite filling and is almost a meal. Some > patients have said they only do it 3 - 4 times a week and that > seems to have worked anyway. Some have asked if they could just eat > the beetroot instead, but when you ask them if they want to eat > beetroot every day, they quickly realise the juice is a better > option. I've never had anyone say they don't like it, usually the > opposite and they've tried other juices as well as a result. I give > them a recipe for beetroot salad (from Vegetarian Kitchen by > brown or is it Green?)for days when they want to eat beetroot - I > have no idea if pickled beetroot works, so the recipe for raw > beetroot is helpful, and it's a delicious salad. > > best wishes > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 05 2007, 07:28 PM > > To: ukherbal-list > Cc: > Subject: Re: RE:whites > > Hi , > what amazing results. Can I ask you how much beetroot juice do > you recommend to your patients? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Yes, thanks - I am seeing my patient tomorrow and this will almost certainly be part of the regime. > Hi > > Cherry Hills (wife of ce Hills - HDRA) who wrote about the > benefits of beetroot in mopping up dodgy cells back in the 60s > definitely specified raw. (she said it contains catalase) > > (Many thanks for practical specs - really clear and do-able ;-) ) > > Sally O > > > > > > >> Hi >> >> Sorry I get caught up in being busy and only post every so often - >> if anyone responds it could be days before i read it. >> >> Usually I tell them to have one beetroot per day, with 1-2 carrots, >> and one apple. That makes quite a bit of juice. A bit of ice in the >> glass slows the oxidation process. They can put it in a flask and >> drink some a couple of times a day, or drink the whole lot in one >> go - a juice like this is quite filling and is almost a meal. Some >> patients have said they only do it 3 - 4 times a week and that >> seems to have worked anyway. Some have asked if they could just eat >> the beetroot instead, but when you ask them if they want to eat >> beetroot every day, they quickly realise the juice is a better >> option. I've never had anyone say they don't like it, usually the >> opposite and they've tried other juices as well as a result. I give >> them a recipe for beetroot salad (from Vegetarian Kitchen by >> brown or is it Green?)for days when they want to eat beetroot - I >> have no idea if pickled beetroot works, so the recipe for raw >> beetroot is helpful, and it's a delicious salad. >> >> best wishes >> >> >> >> ======================================== >> Message Received: Dec 05 2007, 07:28 PM >> >> To: ukherbal-list >> Cc: >> Subject: Re: RE:whites >> >> Hi , >> what amazing results. Can I ask you how much beetroot juice do >> you recommend to your patients? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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