OT Re: Some finer points of coiling (Jane)

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Peggy,

Curious about the dosage of artemisin and what place I can order it from? Did Dr. K's assistant give you a killing dose as opposed to just a maintenance dose?

Shauna Hutchins

Subject: Re: Some finer points of coiling (Jane)To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 7:02 PM

Peggy, My primary infection is babesia. I tried for a while to treat it at 570Hz with my coil machine, got some herxes initially, and then all herxing ended. I thought I had wiped it out since the herxing stopped and I wasn't able to tell the difference between my lyme symptoms and babesia symptoms. Unfortunately 570hz was barely touching my babesia and the bulk of the infection was raging on. I'm sure there is another frx that works better for babesia, at least in my case. But rather than spending valuable time with trial and error finding it I bought some Artemisinin and found I could kill babesia effortlessly. So even though you got a negative lab test for babesia, if you want to see if its present you could pick up some Artemisinin and see if it makes you herx. My doctor(Dr. K's assistant) said that lyme is rarely the main culprit in us "lymies". Its the co-infections that are causing us most of the suffering. We just call it lyme

because that was the infection that was found first. Of course we're all different and some of us are only sick with lyme. But I think we'd all do well to give more attention to these other infections. Via ART, Dr. K's form of muscle testing, Lyme didn't even show up in me when I was in a month ago. I wiped most of it out in six months of coiling. But i'm still quite sick with babesia. Getting better though!! Starting to live me life a little Thane>> Hi Jane,> > Thanks for the info. told me of an experiment in which someone blocked a coil with a concrete barrier then measured the output from the coil on the blocked side, where it still registered very

powerfully. Which meant, if I understood him correctly, that the coil will penetrate concrete. If that's the case, it stands to reason that it will penetrate bone. That's the understanding I've been operating under, which is why I haven't positioned the coil on both the tops and bottoms of my feet. Maybe I'll have to clarify this with him.> > As to my symptoms, I don't know whether I've ever had coinfections or not. I tested negative, for what that's worth, which is not much. What I'm feeling is exactly what I felt three years ago with Lyme. So my dilemma is whether to interpret this as a herx which means back off, or as a swarm of spirochetes that needs to be dealt with swiftly and decisively. It's a real debate, as I obviously don't want to do anything to make this worse--these symptoms are worse than any fatigue, exhaustion, or pain I've ever had. But on the other hand, if the bugs are on the move it would seem the opportune time to

rout them. My inclination at the moment is to think that discretion is the better part of valor.> > Peggy> > > Re: Some finer points of coiling (Peggy)> > Hi Peggy,> > These are excellent questions, and very important. I would say, that the position of the coil depends very much on the extent of infection, and the particular infection which one is treating.> > For Lyme, in addition to my liver, I coil all the joints in my body, plus my shins and femurs. I do my hips in four sections, front and back. I am also coiling my eyes (each),

separately. I have a towel over my face, and I position the coil so that it is in contact with the side of my head, with the hole of the coil over my eye. I hold my finger over my ear, as the coil is LOUD.> > I also coil my back in 3 sections, plus the back of my neck. I coil my shoulders each separately. Elbows together in their own session. Hands in their own session, together, nested in the hole of the coil. The bottoms of my feet, I coil together. I coil the top of each foot separately. I don't think the coil will penetrate through the top of the foot to the bottom - no. Not properly, anyway.> > If I had neuro Lyme symptoms, I would be placing the coil in contact with the back of my head, as well as the crown of my head. I have arthritic Lyme, so that's what I concentrate on.> > For Ehrlichia, coiling the large bones, where that infection lives and breeds, is critical. The coil can penetrate, but must be

positioned properly to reach the infection. For Bart and Babs - consult . I don't have those infections, and I cannot, in good conscience, comment on properly coiling for them. will have good advice.> > As for your herx symptoms - watch for other infections displaying symptoms after you have rified down the Lyme. This did not happen for me, as I do not have Bart and Babs. It happened for , and many others. Each infection is vying for supremacy in the host, and once the bacterial load has been reduced for one of them, another one will rear its head. So, you could be experiencing symptoms of something other than Lyme, or it could just be another manifestation of a strong Lyme herx. I cannot say.> > - Jane>

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Shauna,

As far as the Artemisinin dose...everyone is different. I take 2-4 100mg

capsules every other day. I know some people who take 1000mg several times a

week. I would suggest starting out slow and working up to a dose that is

producing some herxing but still a pace that the body can tolerate.

The " killing dose " for one person may be the maintanance dose for another. I

depends on the degree of infection.

Right now i'm taking Allergy Research Groups Artemisinin and it works for me.

Thane

> >

> > Hi Jane,

> >

> > Thanks for the info. told me of an experiment in which someone blocked

a coil with a concrete barrier then measured the output from the coil on the

blocked side, where it still registered very powerfully. Which meant, if I

understood him correctly, that the coil will penetrate concrete. If that's the

case, it stands to reason that it will penetrate bone. That's the understanding

I've been operating under, which is why I haven't positioned the coil on both

the tops and bottoms of my feet. Maybe I'll have to clarify this with him.

> >

> > As to my symptoms, I don't know whether I've ever had coinfections or not. I

tested negative, for what that's worth, which is not much. What I'm feeling is

exactly what I felt three years ago with Lyme. So my dilemma is whether to

interpret this as a herx which means back off, or as a swarm of spirochetes that

needs to be dealt with swiftly and decisively. It's a real debate, as I

obviously don't want to do anything to make this worse--these symptoms are worse

than any fatigue, exhaustion, or pain I've ever had. But on the other hand, if

the bugs are on the move it would seem the opportune time to rout them. My

inclination at the moment is to think that discretion is the better part of

valor.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

> >

> > Re: Some finer points of coiling (Peggy)

> >

> > Hi Peggy,

> >

> > These are excellent questions, and very important. I would say, that the

position of the coil depends very much on the extent of infection, and the

particular infection which one is treating.

> >

> > For Lyme, in addition to my liver, I coil all the joints in my body, plus my

shins and femurs. I do my hips in four sections, front and back. I am also

coiling my eyes (each), separately. I have a towel over my face, and I position

the coil so that it is in contact with the side of my head, with the hole of the

coil over my eye. I hold my finger over my ear, as the coil is LOUD.

> >

> > I also coil my back in 3 sections, plus the back of my neck. I coil my

shoulders each separately. Elbows together in their own session. Hands in their

own session, together, nested in the hole of the coil. The bottoms of my feet, I

coil together. I coil the top of each foot separately. I don't think the coil

will penetrate through the top of the foot to the bottom - no. Not properly,

anyway.

> >

> > If I had neuro Lyme symptoms, I would be placing the coil in contact with

the back of my head, as well as the crown of my head. I have arthritic Lyme, so

that's what I concentrate on.

> >

> > For Ehrlichia, coiling the large bones, where that infection lives and

breeds, is critical. The coil can penetrate, but must be positioned properly to

reach the infection. For Bart and Babs - consult . I don't have those

infections, and I cannot, in good conscience, comment on properly coiling for

them. will have good advice.

> >

> > As for your herx symptoms - watch for other infections displaying symptoms

after you have rified down the Lyme. This did not happen for me, as I do not

have Bart and Babs. It happened for , and many others. Each infection is

vying for supremacy in the host, and once the bacterial load has been reduced

for one of them, another one will rear its head. So, you could be experiencing

symptoms of something other than Lyme, or it could just be another manifestation

of a strong Lyme herx. I cannot say.

> >

> > - Jane

> >

>