Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 In a message dated 10/17/2000 1:31:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, weeble@... writes: << My pre-drink BG was 108. 1/2 hour after finishing the shake, the BG was 166. 1 hour after finishing the shake, the BG was 118. 2 hours after finishing the shake, the BG was 108. Do you feel this was too high a peak, followed by too quick a drop? >> Yes, I do. I follow Dr. Bernstein's WOE (way of eating) and as he says...if your blood sugar rises 20 or more points after your meal, time to change what you ate. With his low carb regimen you eat 6 grams of carbs for breakfast, 12 for lunch and 12 for dinner and any snacks are also 6 or 12 grams so you do not go up and down like a yo-yo. Meniowl@... type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water walking (last A1c 5.3) Normal range 4.8-6.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 Cheryl, there is only a few things that can shoot up your sugar that fast, one is karo or corn syrup, it is almost straight glucose. Is any sweetener mentioned in anything? Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 Just fructose, no specifics. So I'm assuming this is too quick...which was my first response. Back to the drawing board, I guess... And, of course, the natural sugar in the raspberries, but I didn't use very many, maybe 8 of them... Cheryl > Re: Question on " drop " > > Cheryl, there is only a few things that can shoot up your sugar that > fast, one is karo or corn syrup, it is almost straight glucose. Is any > sweetener mentioned in anything? Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 Cheryl wrote: << I'll first tell you that I am *not* diabetic; however, I have an insulin disorder and therefore monitor my blood glucose, as well as follow a diabetic (type 2) diet/exercise regime. I have been wanting to find a way to have a breakfast shake of some sort, and experimented with one this a.m. >> Can you tell us about your diet? " Diabetic diet " can mean opposite things to us. Opinion regarding the best diet for diabetics is in a state of flux at present. And what about your insulin disorder? What's that about? What diagnostic tools has your doctor been using? You mentioned the shake you made had 9 grams of sugar. We count all carbohydrates, rather than just the fructose and other sugars. And you didn't add in the carbs from the items you added to your shake: " It contained soy milk, nonfat yogurt, raspberries, and a powdered supplement which did have 9 grams of sugar (fructose, according to the label). " Have you tried the Atkins shake mixes? Just 3 grams of carbs/serving - and if you subtract the insoluble fiber grams, it's approx. 1 g carb/serving. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 Hi Susie! My diet is one prescribed by the doctor who said it was a basic diabetic diet. It consists of small amounts of lean protein, such as grilled chicken, as well as lots of veggies, salads, etc., supplemented by 1-2 fruits/day, and not too many " traditional " carbohydrates. I normally have 2-3 " bread-type " foods a day, which could be Ezekial bread, a small white potato, a small amount of al dente pasta, whatever fits my schedule/hunger. I presume it's about 1500-1800 calories a day. Oh, yeah, I can have nonfat yogurt, with fructose (not too often) or aspartame (again, she doesn't like it, but wants the calcium in my diet). I know that the advice about the " best " diet is different. I *think* this is similar to the glycemic diet, since she stressed not overcooking the veggies or the potato/pasta/etc. I don't have the total carb count on it, since it was given to me as a sample. I will check on it when I get back to work later this week. My doctor didn't tell me to limit my carbohydrates, only to concentrate on which foods make the BG increase too quickly, and drop too quickly, not very specific, but it's what I'm trying to learn. The soy milk definitely had carbs, no added sugars though, and she approved that. The nonfat yogurt is also approved, and the raspberries she okayed, as long as I don't go over 1-2 fruits (on average) per day. So it's only the supplement which is up in the air for her approval. I wanted to get some stats on it before I see her again, but don't want to continue experimenting with it if it's even possibly causing a problem. I haven't tried the Atkins shake mixes. I do know there is a health food store close that sells all his stuff; I've seen a big billboard for it. :-) Maybe I'll have to check them out and see how that goes. I guess I could just make a shake now and then without a supplement/shake mix in it, but it just seems to lack something....this one had protein in it, but I can't recall the numbers. I'm assuming the Atkins will too, since it doesn't sound like it has much else otherwise. :-) Oh, the only med she has me on is Glycet, to slow the absorption of carbs during my " biggest " meal of the day. I'm also on meds for cholesterol and high blood pressure, because she made a diagnosis of " probably syndrome x " or something like that...but said that she thought I'd be off the medications at my next visit (end of November). I've been on this regimen for 4 months now...lost 18 pounds so far, and feeling very good. Just tired of normal breakfasts. Cheryl > Re: Question on " drop " > > Cheryl wrote: > > << I'll first tell you that I am *not* diabetic; however, I have an insulin > disorder and therefore monitor my blood glucose, as well as follow a > diabetic (type 2) diet/exercise regime. I have been wanting to find a way > to have a breakfast shake of some sort, and experimented with one this a.m. > >> > > Can you tell us about your diet? " Diabetic diet " can mean opposite things to > us. Opinion regarding the best diet for diabetics is in a state of flux at > present. And what about your insulin disorder? What's that about? What > diagnostic tools has your doctor been using? > > You mentioned the shake you made had 9 grams of sugar. We count all > carbohydrates, rather than just the fructose and other sugars. And you > didn't add in the carbs from the items you added to your shake: " It > contained soy milk, nonfat yogurt, raspberries, and a powdered supplement > which did have 9 grams of sugar (fructose, according to the label). " > > Have you tried the Atkins shake mixes? Just 3 grams of carbs/serving - and > if you subtract the insoluble fiber grams, it's approx. 1 g carb/serving. > > Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 << My diet ... small amounts of lean protein, such as grilled chicken, as well as lots of veggies, salads, etc., supplemented by 1-2 fruits/day, and not too many " traditional " carbohydrates. >> Sounds pretty good. Many of us have found our Problem Foods are potatoes, pasta, rice, breads, cereals, and of course sweets. My mom called it " the white stuff. " << I *think* this is similar to the glycemic diet, since she stressed not overcooking the veggies or the potato/pasta/etc. >> Good point. You can read up on the Glycemic Index at Rick Mendosa's excellent web site: http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm (that's from memory .... hope I got it right). << I don't have the total carb count on it, since it was given to me as a sample. >> What stuns many folks is how *fast* their bg's can take off. If I eat pasta (my Problem Food), it's like a drug ... my heart races and I feel really freaked out, in under a half-hour. << The soy milk definitely had carbs, no added sugars though, and she approved that. >> Remember ... it's the carbs - not just the sugars. Count the carbs, and you can subtract roughly half the fiber grams (if you live in the U.S.), since here the nutritional labels don't separate the soluble from the insoluble fiber. << the raspberries she okayed, as long as I don't go over 1-2 fruits (on average) per day. >> There's a big difference in the carb counts of fruits. Here's a free program for Windows based on the USDA tables to help you: http://www.siestasoftware.com I think that's the type of info you are seeking, so you don't need to wonder and worry between office visits. << I haven't tried the Atkins shake mixes. >> The following web site is having a big Atkins sale ... up to 50% off: http://www.lowcarbconnoisseur.com << supplement/shake mix in it, but it just seems to lack something....this one had protein in it, but I can't recall the numbers. >> Unless the shake mixes are specifically low-carb, they will contain carby sweeteners. It pays to shop for something that not only tastes good and satisfies you in the morning, but that doesn't send your bg's into orbit. << she has me on ... Glycet ... I'm also on meds for cholesterol and high blood pressure, because she made a diagnosis of " probably syndrome x " or something like that >> Syndrome X is short for Syndrome X *diabetes*. At least 90 percent of all diabetics are type 2, and roughly 85 percent of those are Syndrome X. You might want to use a good search engine such as http://www.altavista.com and do a web search, putting it in quotation marks: " Syndrome X " . << I've been on this regimen for 4 months now...lost 18 pounds so far, and feeling very good. >> Good job! An online expert tells us we can improve our insulin resistance (another term you'll want to put in quotation marks and do a web search on) by 50 percent with a weight loss of just 15 percent. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 Meniowl wrote: << With his low carb regimen you eat 6 grams of carbs for breakfast, 12 for lunch and 12 for dinner and any snacks are also 6 or 12 grams so you do not go up and down like a yo-yo. >> Meniowl is one of our blazing success stories. I am so happy for every newly-diagnosed diabetic who finds our group, because there are so many wonderfully well-controlled diabetics in the group. We are doing better than a large study group that received intensive training and monitoring, at a cost of many thousands of dollars per year per patient, because we pay attention to our body signals, and because we recognize how very important diet is to our longterm good health. If you think of your body organs as a person on a body-bashing carnival ride like the " Tilt-a-Whirl, " that's how I picture what happens when we eat foods that send our bg's soaring, then crashing. We want and need to choose our foods wisely to smooth the ride out. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 Thanks, and another thank you to Susie for all the helpful information. I'll check out all the links she sent, as well as this Dr. Bernstein, as that makes sense, and FINALLY someone seems to have *actual* numbers for a guideline. The *non-yo-yo* is exactly what I'm aiming for. Cheryl > Re: Question on " drop " > > In a message dated 10/17/2000 1:31:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > weeble@... writes: > > << My pre-drink BG was 108. > 1/2 hour after finishing the shake, the BG was 166. > 1 hour after finishing the shake, the BG was 118. > 2 hours after finishing the shake, the BG was 108. > > Do you feel this was too high a peak, followed by too quick a drop? >> > > Yes, I do. I follow Dr. Bernstein's WOE (way of eating) and as he says...if > your blood sugar rises 20 or more points after your meal, time to change what > you ate. > > With his low carb regimen you eat 6 grams of carbs for breakfast, 12 for > lunch and 12 for dinner and any snacks are also 6 or 12 grams so you do not > go up and down like a yo-yo. > > Meniowl@... > type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water walking > (last A1c 5.3) Normal range 4.8-6.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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