Re: Dieticians

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I think maybe they should have to walk a mile in our shoes then tell us

how :>)

My neice called me this morning, her mil just found out she is a

diabetic. Neice brought her to her house from hosptial. Told me how good

mil bs reading was this morning, 42. Told her it was a little low, she

said in hosptial that was a good reading. I told her a person with out

diabetes doesn't have a reading that low, brought her a book for them to

read. Neice told me they had told her to check bs morning & night time.

Gave her my test, test, test speech :>)

Need to get off here & go cook my egg plant, " see " you'all

later...froggie

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My goodness, Froggie!!

42!? I work in a hospital where they give the diabetics food that would put you into a coma just smelling them. They get lasagna, baked potatoes, desserts, then they can't figure out why their bg's are 300 or more!! Jeesh.

Hope your eggplant was yummy

Meenie

I think maybe they should have to walk a mile in our shoes then tell ushow :>)My neice called me this morning, her mil just found out she is adiabetic. Neice brought her to her house from hosptial. Told me how goodmil bs reading was this morning, 42. Told her it was a little low, shesaid in hosptial that was a good reading. I told her a person with outdiabetes doesn't have a reading that low, brought her a book for them toread. Neice told me they had told her to check bs morning & night time.Gave her my test, test, test speech :>)Need to get off here & go cook my egg plant, "see" you'alllater...froggie

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SInce potatoes, and noodles are both on the ADA Exchange lists, there is

no reason for a hospital not to provide them for their patients. And

there are many desserts that can be made diabetic.

Some people may enjoy pork rinds dipped in cream cheese and hunks of

meats with little else.....but I'd bet even money not many.

Gail (who is a dietitian)

My goodness, Froggie!!

42!? I work in a hospital where they give the diabetics food that would put you into a coma just smelling them. They get lasagna, baked potatoes, desserts, then they can't figure out why their bg's are 300 or more!! Jeesh.

Hope your eggplant was yummy

Meenie

I think maybe they should have to walk a mile in our shoes then tell ushow :>)My neice called me this morning, her mil just found out she is adiabetic. Neice brought her to her house from hosptial. Told me how goodmil bs reading was this morning, 42. Told her it was a little low, shesaid in hosptial that was a good reading. I told her a person with outdiabetes doesn't have a reading that low, brought her a book for them toread. Neice told me they had told her to check bs morning & night time.Gave her my test, test, test speech :>)Need to get off here & go cook my egg plant, "see" you'alllater...froggie

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No reason except afther they eat them their bg's skyrocket. Why does no one pay attention that small happening?

And I eat things like raw brocolli, cauliflower, and celery in my dip rather than porkrinds. I use the porkrinds to crunch up in my food processor and coat chicken with when I feel like having fried chicken - although I grill most of my meats.

I also have a large salad each day and plenty of cooked veggies - just not the highly starched ones. Occassionally I have a half of a small baked potato - but not often.

I don't eat only "pork rinds dipped in cream cheese and hunks ofmeats with little else." and when you repeat untruths like that you are doing a disservice to many people who could benefit greatly from fewer carbs. Many doctors are following and prescribing Low Carb now - have they lost their "God Status"?

Meenie

SInce potatoes, and noodles are both on the ADA Exchange lists, there isno reason for a hospital not to provide them for their patients. Andthere are many desserts that can be made diabetic. Some people may enjoy pork rinds dipped in cream cheese and hunks ofmeats with little else.....but I'd bet even money not many.Gail (who is a dietitian)

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>From: georgiagail@...

>SInce potatoes, and noodles are both on the ADA Exchange lists, there is

>no reason for a hospital not to provide them for their patients. And

>there are many desserts that can be made diabetic.

>

>Some people may enjoy pork rinds dipped in cream cheese and hunks of

>meats with little else.....but I'd bet even money not many.

>Gail (who is a dietitian)

I certainly wouldn't. I enjoy a variety of foods including starches and

vegetables.

Kim

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>>Some people may enjoy pork rinds dipped in cream cheese and hunks of

meats with little else.....but I'd bet even money not many.

Gail (who is a dietitian)<<

Geeze, Gail. Tell us how you really feel. You might want a refresher

course on professionalism first, though.

So what if these things are on the ADA diet? They are still the foods that

have the greatest negative effect on MY bg's. I've never heard anyone here

that eats low carb say that they only eat pork rinds and " hunks of meat. "

As I understand, the low-carbers eat lots of fruit and vegetables, just not

high carb ones, or they eat smaller amounts, like Sam and his half a baked

potato with dinner.

Are you diabetic yourself?

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At 02:04 AM 2/13/01, you wrote:

>Many doctors are following and prescribing Low Carb now - have they lost

>their " God Status " ?

> Meenie

I'm sorry but it sounds as if you are trying to ignore the fact that you

have diabetes. As a diabetic, after eating your BG WILL rise. That is

the nature of the disease -. accept it! As a Type 1 since child hood

diabetes nurse educator told me, " You have diabetes, after eating your

blood sugar will rise. But, if you want to waste test strips to see HOW

high, then go ahead. "

Eating a limited diet, IMO, is only masking the inevitable nature of the

disease and I believe will come back to haunt you some day. Here is an

analogy which comes to mind: If you were told you have a heart problem

because with exertion you get chest pain, lying in bed all the time will

eliminate the pain due to non-exertion, but you are fooling yourself if you

think you are treating the condition. " Oh, but I never get chest pain any

more so this must be the way to deal with this despite what most doctors

and recognized professionals say. It works for me and I am the best one to

know what is best for me. I don't understand why more doctors don't

recommend this approach. I read a book by a doctor who has the same

condition and it worked for him so of course it follows that everybody else

doesn't know what they're talking about. Of course, YMMV, have a nice day,

blah-blah-blah, etc. " Sound familiar, list?

Anyway, this is just MY opinion on the subject; one of many expressed in

this open forum - Of course, YMMV. : ^)

/Celine Kossart

kozys@...

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But shouldn't we know how much that food rasies our bs? I think I

remember reading some where that we should not have a lot of ups &

downs, best to try & stay on even keel....froggie

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Well, first of all, you have to remember that type I and type II are quite different. As a diabetic, yes my bg's will go up after I eat, the goal is to eat in such a way that my body is able to handle it within 2 hrs. If your body is kept in the "normal" zone most of the time, your risk of complications is much less. Certainly you take insulin to try and keep your bg's controlled, don't you?

Well, those of us who don't take insulin or other meds have to control with different means. And diet is most certainly one of them.

I have never heard any doctor tell any patient that ignoring chest pain or laying in bed so they don't bring on an angina attack will cure heart disease. However, I think that if a doctor did offer that theory that after 30 years he would be proven wrong, don't you? Low carb diets have been around for hundreds of years - they've found pamphlets from the 17 or 18 hundreds that proclaim the way to end corpulance (obesity) is to eat only meats and vegetables and avoid starches. Atkins diet has been around for well over 30 years. And many many doctors are now prescribing it so I'm not talking about just one doctor or one "magic" book.

I am also not saying that low carb is the "only" way to control diabetes, but that it is a great tool and can really help.

I don't know why people who eat low fat feel attacked when Atkins or other low carb diets are mentioned. No one is saying you have to stop your low fat diet. We only offer what has helped us and so many others . When people say "what about the fat?" we show them the results of cholesterol tests on low carbers and how their chol. has improved. When you say "you can't have energy without eating carbs!<gasp>" We explain that we DO have carbs, just in moderation, not the high carbs of rice, pasta, potatoes, etc. (altho the Eskimos did quite well with no carbs at all, and despite the cartoon depictions , were not overweight from their extremely high fat diet - but they are now that twinkies and all the rest are readily available to them).

At no time have I ever said that low carb is the only diet to use. I don't accuse the people who discuss their low fat diets of trying to force me to become a low fat person, yet anytime I mention low carb I am accused of just that.

I'm sure glad to hear that low fat has all the answers - although I still have to wonder why so many people on their low fat diets have so much trouble with their diabetes. Why is it that almost every diabetic I know who follows low fat has to be on some medication in order to control their diabetes? Why is it that the diabetics in my hospital have such atrocious bg's after eating the ADA menu's that are sent to them?

No one can do anymore that sputter that everyone just knows low fat is better without answering one of those questions.

I've said it at least a hundred times - if low fat works for you, do it! No problem. If it doesn't, there is an alternative. An alternative that doesn't have the side effects of medications, that doesn't cause your pancreas to wear out and won't put you into lactic acidosis or destroy your liver like so many of these diabetic meds can do. I would much rather investigate a different way of eating than to risk the side effects of these drugs. The drugs will still be there if it doesn't work or if you can't tolerate the diet. That will still be ;your choice. No one can take your choice away, but an awful lot of them seem to want to take my choice away.

Now isn't that interesting?

MeenieI'm sorry but it sounds as if you are trying to ignore the fact that you have diabetes. As a diabetic, after eating your BG WILL rise. That is the nature of the disease -. accept it! As a Type 1 since child hood diabetes nurse educator told me, "You have diabetes, after eating your blood sugar will rise. But, if you want to waste test strips to see HOW high, then go ahead."

Using a test strip to see how high your bg was right after eating would indeed be a waste, but for a type II, testing after 2 hours is the way you find out if your diet and /or meds are working. Eating a limited diet, IMO, is only masking the inevitable nature of the disease and I believe will come back to haunt you some day.

How do you think people who control their diabetes with diet and exercise do that? By eating a limited diet. Not everyone uses insulin.

Here is an analogy which comes to mind: If you were told you have a heart problem because with exertion you get chest pain, lying in bed all the time will eliminate the pain due to non-exertion, but you are fooling yourself if you think you are treating the condition. "Oh, but I never get chest pain any more so this must be the way to deal with this despite what most doctors and recognized professionals say. It works for me and I am the best one to know what is best for me. I don't understand why more doctors don't recommend this approach. I read a book by a doctor who has the same condition and it worked for him so of course it follows that everybody else doesn't know what they're talking about. Of course, YMMV, have a nice day, blah-blah-blah, etc." Sound familiar, list?

This is not an analogy at all, it is your fantasy.Anyway, this is just MY opinion on the subject; one of many expressed in this open forum - Of course, YMMV. : ^)

except you don't want other opinions expressed, do you?/Celine Kossartkozys@...

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Hi Froggie,

This is why Type I and Type II should be treated and looked at as different diseases. Type I's take insulin and many of them don't worry about their diet at all, just take bigger and bigger doses of insulin as their disease progresses.

Type II's try to control their bg's with diet and exercise, taking medicine only as needed, and trying to get off the medicine as their control gets better.

Type I's don't have that option and many of them don't seem to understand it.

As type II's we do indeed need to know how much food raises our bg's. It is a very important part of our control. And anyone who would tell you differently is playing the Devil's Advocate and toying with your health.

Meenie

But shouldn't we know how much that food rasies our bs? I think Iremember reading some where that we should not have a lot of ups & downs, best to try & stay on even keel....froggie