Re: What's the connection?

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It may be something to do with the fact that things like people are

unpredictable and uncontrollable so that you never know exactly when they are

going to make the trigger sounds. With a machine the noise is predictable,

therefore, you are not going to be surprised and taken unawares by it. It might

be that because of the hypervigilance that accompanies misophonia the element of

surprise is an important aspect of it so that being able to control a noise and

know it is not going to surprise you is easier to put up with. Just a thought.

Natural sound like waves and rivers for example are predictable and probably

easier to get used to but people in a family setting can never be predictable

and this might put the sufferer on a constant state of preparedness for the

fight/flight response.

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> I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it

months later but...

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> What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

>

> Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way, could

there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

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> A particular frequency?

> A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

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> Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go nuts?

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> Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

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> Rich

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> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

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> > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it

months later but...

> >

> > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> >

> > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way,

could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

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> > A particular frequency?

> > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

> >

> > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go nuts?

> >

> > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

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> > Rich

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> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

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[Guest guest]

Very cool. Thanks for your hard work!

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>> > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

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>> > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way,

could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

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>> > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go

nuts?

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[Guest guest]

I don't think we should regard ourselves as simply a kind of machine but more as

a combination of ideas and feelings so that we can become victim of ourselves in

as far as we interpret our experiences. Our environmental situation is important

because it can powerfully affect the way we view the and interpret the world.

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> > > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it

months later but...

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> > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

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> > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way,

could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

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> > > A particular frequency?

> > > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

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> > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go

nuts?

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> > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

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> > > Rich

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> > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

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[Guest guest]

That all sounds very fascinating. It’s sad that we have to do our own research and the medical field doesn’t think like you. I looked into the wisdom teeth and tympanic nerve being affected by jaw development or TMJ, or wisdom teeth development. We need a researcher who thinks outside of the box. From: Soundsensitivity [mailto:Soundsensitivity ] On Behalf Of adah_123Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:47 PMTo: Soundsensitivity Subject: Re: What's the connection? > >> > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it months later but...> > > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.> > > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way, could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?> > > > A particular frequency?> > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?> > > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go nuts?> > > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?> > > > Rich> > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3> >>

[Guest guest]

In my case, I believe that the sights and sounds that I can't stand represent

" inconsiderate and disrespectful things that my mother would not tolerate " when

I was a child.

Sloppy eating, finger sucking, gum chewing, loud bass music, loud exhaust on

motorcycles and cars, door slamming, footsteps on the floor above.

In today's day and age, it is considered " cool " to be disrespectful and

inconsiderate. That drives me nuts.

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> I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it

months later but...

>

> What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

>

> Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way, could

there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

>

> A particular frequency?

> A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

>

> Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go nuts?

>

> Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

>

> Rich

>

> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

>

[Guest guest]

I think it's the right approach to play 'Devil's Advocate' when examining the

causes of this condition because it is too easy to jump to the conclusion that

it is a quite seperate disorder in its own right and nothing really to do with

other psychological problems. I am not for a moment saying this is the case but

the correct scientific method is to put forward a number of hypotheses that

might account for misophonia and then look at which one(s) best fit the

available evidence. How much do environmental factors contribute to this

condition? How much do genetic factors contribute? Have there been studies on

identical twins reared in seperate, disparate environments? The point is, if

this disorder is not really a distinct phenomenon and is symptomatic of a more

fundamental emotional issue or issues then it is not going to do much good in

pursuing a false conclusion. This is why it is valuable to gather as much

evidence as possible in terms of people's experiences in attempting to get some

sense of what might be going on and MB's like this are doing just that.

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> > > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to

> it months later but...

> > >

> > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

> information I have read from you all and the database info we collected

> years ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> > >

> > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way,

> could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

> > >

> > > A particular frequency?

> > > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

> > >

> > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go

> nuts?

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> > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

> > >

> > > Rich

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> > > Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone on 3

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[Guest guest]

Also, context plays a big role. When I was a child, it only bothered me when my

younger brother ate. I believe that context will be the key to solving this

problem. The sound represents disrespect and inconsideration. A natural sound

can not be disrespectful or inconsiderate.

Also, I believe that my visual triggers are from anticipating trigger sounds

which may or may not follow. For example, I can't stand the sight of someone

chewing gum or putting their finger near their mouth.

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> > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it

months later but...

> >

> > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> >

> > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way,

could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

> >

> > A particular frequency?

> > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

> >

> > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go nuts?

> >

> > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

> >

> > Rich

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> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, so really we must ask what MEANINGS we attach to our trigger noises. If we

can do that we may be closer to finding out why they are so bothersome.

> > >

> > > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it

months later but...

> > >

> > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> > >

> > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way,

could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

> > >

> > > A particular frequency?

> > > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

> > >

> > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go

nuts?

> > >

> > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

> > >

> > > Rich

> > >

> > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Exactly " R " . It is the " meaning " of the sound that drives me crazy. For me, the

noise seems to be intentionally done to cause me pain. I am FEELING " how can

people be so mean " , even though I KNOW that they have no idea that they are

causing me to suffer.

> > > >

> > > > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to

it months later but...

> > > >

> > > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> > > >

> > > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way,

could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

> > > >

> > > > A particular frequency?

> > > > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

> > > >

> > > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go

nuts?

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

> > > >

> > > > Rich

> > > >

> > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

> > > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Exactly " R " . It is the " meaning " of the sound that drives me crazy. For me, the

noise seems to be intentionally done to cause me pain. I am FEELING " how can

people be so mean " , even though I KNOW that they have no idea that they are

causing me to suffer.

> > > >

> > > > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to

it months later but...

> > > >

> > > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> > > >

> > > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way,

could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

> > > >

> > > > A particular frequency?

> > > > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

> > > >

> > > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go

nuts?

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

> > > >

> > > > Rich

> > > >

> > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

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[Guest guest]

In that case gegleicher wouldn't cognitive behaviour therapy be of some benefit

to you as it aims to make you look at things in more realistic and adaptive

ways?

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> > > > > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to

it months later but...

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From

the information I have read from you all and the database info we collected

years ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> > > > >

> > > > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same

way, could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in

common?

> > > > >

> > > > > A particular frequency?

> > > > > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go

nuts?

> > > > >

> > > > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

> > > > >

> > > > > Rich

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> > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

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[Guest guest]

Yes " R " people do say that CBT does help. I am planning on trying it myself in

conjunction with TRT. This seems to be the only treatment available at this

point.

CBT is supposed to help us change our thought patterns. I understand that it

works, but only to a certain extent.

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> I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it

months later but...

>

> What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

>

> Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way, could

there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

>

> A particular frequency?

> A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

>

> Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go nuts?

>

> Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

>

> Rich

>

> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I suppose it's like anything else in life - the more effort and enthusiasm

you put into it the more likely you are to succeed. At least if it helps it's

worth a try, isn't it?

> >

> > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it

months later but...

> >

> > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> >

> > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way,

could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

> >

> > A particular frequency?

> > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

> >

> > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go nuts?

> >

> > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

> >

> > Rich

> >

> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

> >

>

[Guest guest]

CBT is absolutely worth a try. It is VERY hard work and takes LOTS of time.

Consistency is key. But, it has helped me a great deal. I still have the sound

sensitivity, but I can deal with it much better. I don't get as angry and

hopeless as I did before. Plus, its helped me in other areas of my life as

well. Win Win!

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> > > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it

months later but...

> > >

> > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> > >

> > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way,

could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

> > >

> > > A particular frequency?

> > > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

> > >

> > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go

nuts?

> > >

> > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

> > >

> > > Rich

> > >

> > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have a bit of a different opinion about this. For me personally, context

doesn't play a big role. My dad was my first trigger eating at the dinner

table. But, I never once thought he was being disrespectful, inconsiderate, or

rude. He actually was a very polite eater, but I could still hear it. The only

thing I remember thinking was " why does it make me so angry? " It doesn't matter

who is chomping chips or popcorn, it bugs me. It could be my husband, or a

complete stranger. I know there are things people eat that are impossible to be

quiet with. Eating a celery stick, or carrot for example. No matter what, it

crunches even if you are the most polite eater. I can't stand bluejays

squawking. That is a natural sound. The bird is not intentionally pissing me

off... its just being a bird. But, it still bugs me. I have attached no meaning

to it except that it's totally annoying!

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> > > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it

months later but...

> > >

> > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the

information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years

ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> > >

> > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way,

could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?

> > >

> > > A particular frequency?

> > > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

> > >

> > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go

nuts?

> > >

> > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

> > >

> > > Rich

> > >

> > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

what type of therapist is needed for this CBT?  Can you do this without a therapist?  M

CBT is absolutely worth a try.  It is VERY hard work and takes LOTS of time. Consistency is key.  But, it has helped me a great deal.  I still have the sound sensitivity, but I can deal with it much better.  I don't get as angry and hopeless as I did before.  Plus, its helped me in other areas of my life as well.  Win Win!

> > >> > > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back to it months later but...> > >> > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From the information I have read from you all and the database info we collected years ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> > >> > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same way, could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in common?> > >> > > A particular frequency?

> > > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?> > >> > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system go nuts?> > >> > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might be?

> > >> > > Rich> > >> > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3> > >> >>------------------------------------PLEASE BE AWARE THIS IS A STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL GROUP AND NO MESSAGES ARE TO BE USED FOR ANY PURPOSE OUTSIDE OF THE YAHOO GROUP MEMBERSHIP SITE OR REPRODUCED OR COPIED AND MAILED FOR ANY PURPOSE.

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I forgot to mention that its important to read about Cognitive Distortions as well. Here is an example....Cognitive Distortions > > > > >> > > > > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back> > to it months later but...> > > > >> > > > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From> > the information I have read from you all and the database info we collected> > years ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.> > > > >> > > > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same> > way, could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in> > common?> > > > >> > > > > A particular frequency?> > > > > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?> > > > >> > > > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system> > go nuts?> > > > >> > > > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might> > be?> > > > >> > > > > Rich> > > > >> > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> > PLEASE BE AWARE THIS IS A STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL GROUP AND NO MESSAGES ARE> > TO BE USED FOR ANY PURPOSE OUTSIDE OF THE YAHOO GROUP MEMBERSHIP SITE OR> > REPRODUCED OR COPIED AND MAILED FOR ANY PURPOSE.> >> > ALSO DO NOT SHARE MEMBER EMAIL ADDRESSES OR NAMES WITH ANYONE.> > Thank you. MJ

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thank you, i will look up those on Amazon!M

Usually Psychologists/Psychiatrists are familiar with CBT, but occasionally a family doctor is familiar with it as well.

You can learn the basics without a doctor.  There are lots of self-help books.  A few that come to mind are " Mind over Mood " by Dennis Greenberger and Padesky, " Change your thinking: Overcome Stress, Anxiety, and Depression, and Improve Your Life with CBT " by   Edelman Ph.D., " The feeling good handbook " by Burns, and " Cognitive Therapy: Basics and Beyond " by Judith S. Beck Phd.  I have not personally read them, but have heard from a few people who have that they are good.

If you have the means, I would seek out a qualified doctor to help you with it.  But, if you don't, and you have the time, motivation, and commitment, then books will at least introduce you to the concepts and help you begin to realize just how much our thinking effects our actions/reactions.

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> > > > > I will post this on the public website as well so we can refer back

> > to it months later but...

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the common connection between us? Why the same sounds? From

> > the information I have read from you all and the database info we collected

> > years ago its the same sounds or triggers again and again.

> > > > >

> > > > > Its seems odd that we are all effected by these sounds in the same

> > way, could there be an underlying factor that all these triggers share in

> > common?

> > > > >

> > > > > A particular frequency?

> > > > > A pitch that causes a chemical reaction in our brains?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why are the sounds perceived as threats? Why does the lymbic system

> > go nuts?

> > > > >

> > > > > Does anyone have any theories as to what a common connection might

> > be?

> > > > >

> > > > > Rich

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> > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on 3

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[Guest guest]

An extra thought to tack onto the list of resources that Darlene mentioned,

there may be some worthwhile free online CBT websites. The following website is

based at one of Australia's leading universities, and I believe it can be used

by people anywhere in the world:

http://moodgym.anu.edu.au/welcome

While I haven't used that website myself, I would have no problem trusting ANU.

It is an excellent university, very strong in post-graduate studies and research

(no, I didn't go there, but I know some outstanding people who did)

You can also try googling " free online cbt " and look at the UK sites too. Some

countries try to provide free CBT as part of their public health services,

because it is much cheaper than providing psychiatrists and it has proved to be

effective.

Also, a number of universities may provide CBT as part of their ongoing clinical

and research activities (Australians can google " St s anxiety " to see the

non-free online CBT clinic operated by the University of NSW).

>

> Usually Psychologists/Psychiatrists are familiar with CBT, but occasionally a

family doctor is familiar with it as well.

>

> You can learn the basics without a doctor. There are lots of self-help books.

A few that come to mind are " Mind over Mood " by Dennis Greenberger and

Padesky, " Change your thinking: Overcome Stress, Anxiety, and Depression, and

Improve Your Life with CBT " by Edelman Ph.D., " The feeling good handbook "

by Burns, and " Cognitive Therapy: Basics and Beyond " by Judith S. Beck

Phd. I have not personally read them, but have heard from a few people who have

that they are good.

>

> If you have the means, I would seek out a qualified doctor to help you with

it. But, if you don't, and you have the time, motivation, and commitment, then

books will at least introduce you to the concepts and help you begin to realize

just how much our thinking effects our actions/reactions.

[Guest guest]

I do have a feeling that it has something to do with control. To illustrate I

will share the silliest thing I have said/done because of my 4S. I wanted to

download a fan noise to play on my computer when we were on vacation once but

then I said it wasn't loud enough to cover up the noise from the computer fan.