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from a feeling slightly ?Senex? marte hall:

Thanks, the both of you, for this exchange; it has a lot enlightened

my mind and comforted my heart.

I've just been e-mailing with people across the time zone here

between US and UK, and also working on my I hope-not-too- " Senex "

issues (if that's the right word?) on this day and date that for me

will always resonate to my teen-age years US-languages/styles so

called " D-Day " , i.e., " the Normandy invasion " .

That might not immediately seem to either of you (or anyone else who

reads these J-F posts) " crystal clear " as to how it pertains to

either of your posts, but " trust me " (I am? am not? a " used car

sales/man/woman/person " ?) it does! :-)

marte once (on this list) " drue canoe " , currently " fricassee " and

considering my next-to-be nom-de-plume :-)

> >

> > --That might explain some of the basis for

> > antisemitism, as resentment toward a class of people

> > who have mastered language. The Arab world translates

> > very few books, compared to Israel. Lloyd DeMause

> > speculates that advanced child-rearing (valuing of a

> > child's curiosity etc) also makes Jews vulnerable to

> > resentment by groups that were raised with more

> > humiliating or frightening forms of parenting (missing

> > out on some higher neurological development). I don't

> > know how accurate that theory is (Lloyd claims harsh

> > authoritarian parenting is more common in Arab and

> > Islamic cultures, which sounds plausible) but it would

> > explain why Jews get such a disproportionate amount of

> > hatred, especially from groups with very

> > authoritarian, male-dominated attitudes.

>

> This is a very interesting take, and one I had never considered. I

have a

> Jewish colleague who grew up in an orthodox Jewish family with an

extremely

> patriarchal father, and not only has she rejected all things

Jewish, but she

> has become an extreme feminist (despite the fact that she is not

all that

> much older than you and I, and I regard the feminist movement as

completely

> irrelevant to the 21st century Western woman). But the patriarchal

> oppression, both from her religion and from her personal father,

has made

> her see sexism everywhere (even when non-existent) - whereas I grew

up in a

> secular liberal Jewish family and sexism is completely irrelevant

to my

> personal story. My view would be that all three major religions are

> patriarchal and often downright misogynist. It appears that Arab

countries

> are taking the religious laws to greater misogynist extremes at this

> particular time, but the same principal is incipient in both

Judaism and

> Christianity as well.

>

> fa