Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 May I suggest that you look to Russia where cryosurgery has been used for over 4000 years. I have only heard of heart and brain surgery, but I feel reasonably sure that with all those years experience prostate surgery will have been included somewhere. Larry Hi Larry, Do you have any kind of references or proof of your statement? I really would like to know how cryosurgery was used 4000 years ago. I wish you all the bestAubrey Pilgrim, DC (Ret.)Author of A Revolutionary Approach to Prostate Cancer-Read the original book for free at: www.prostatepointers.org/prostate/lay/apilgrimRead the new edition for free at:www.prostate-help.org/cabooks.htmDr. E. Crawford is co-author of the revision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 I think you are referring to the lowering of body temperature to enable open abdominal surgery, typically in cardiac cases. There have been several documentary films from Russia and the CIS countries showing patients packed in ice as a way to lower resperatory and cardiac functioning. Cryosurgery, as considered for prostate cancer, refers to the destruction of cell structure by freezing. I doubt either activity was commonly used theraputically 4000 years ago, but, who knows. Regards, Darryl from http://www.malecare.com May I suggest that you look to Russia where cryosurgery has been used for over 4000 years. I have only heard of heart and brain surgery, but I feel reasonably sure that with all those years experience prostate surgery will have been included somewhere. Larry Hi Larry, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 My father had cryosurgery in 2003, I'll be glad to answer questions as I can help you understand. Cryo is most useful when the cancer is believed to be contained and not metastasized. Impotence is a greater likelihood as the nerve bundles are less likely to recover from the freezing, though it certainly can and does happen. Cryo in one town may not be the same as another because there are many small advances that some clinics and surgeons are aware of and take advantage of. Once Cryo is performed it functionally rules out a radical prostatectomy because the freezing creates so much necrotic (dead) tissue that removing it is described like " getting a tennis ball out of cement. " Cryosurgery Has anyone undergone cryosurgery for prostate cancer? Does it help in cases of advanced prostate cancer? How is the procedure done? Does cryosurgery result in impotence and incontinence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Hi Aubrey, I appreciate that your concept of cryosurgery will be completely different to the early Russian method, which I understand was merely to take the body temperature down to the lowest possible degree. (Something which could well be used to cure AIDS.) Although it would never be used in the modern world as there would be no profit in it. Skeletons have been found with indications of open heart and brain surgery having been successfully performed, with indications that this was the method used. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 > > > In the book " Surviving Prostate Cancer wihout Surgery " Modern Cryosurgery (sometimes called cryoablation, cryotherapy) first performed by Dr. Onik in 1990 was metioned. although sexual dysfunction was known to be its side effect, the system used by Dr. Onik has minimized the occurence of the same. As to incontenence, it is logical to think that it would be temporary or none at all since the prostate and nearby nerves were not severed. For details about the book please visit www.SurvivingProstateCancerwithoutSurgery.org. > Be aware of your choices, Philip www.SurvivingProstateCancerwithoutSurgery.org > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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