Re: Chelating, low Copper, comprimised immune function

April 26, 2010

Hi It will be interesting to see how your test results turn out. Most people I have talked to that have KPU have love zink and high copper. I would not do KPU without the KPU test and I don't feel its a good thing to do this without Md guidance. There r warnings everywhere about this. People can get into serious trouble with the protocol. I am aware people r doing it on there own and that's their choice.The sad thing is that many cannot find Mds to help them and I understand that. Taking zink and the rest of the protocol the copper levels can go low. Which mine did and we added very small amounts of copper.I was taking it with the KPU and have found it needs to be taken away,about 2-3 hrs away. In a lot of the Dr K info he talks about adding in copper down the line. Healing Blessings JoyceSubject: Chelating, low Copper, comprimised immune functionTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 8:05 PM

Copper and Immune Function

It has been well documented that adequate copper status is

essential

for normal functioning of the immune system in laboratory and domestic animals.47

For instance, not only has it been shown that the functioning of

macrophages were decreased in severely copper deficient rats, but even

marginally copper-deficient rats had impaired immune functioning.48

Interestingly, immune function was significantly impaired at dietary copper

levels that didn't seem to decrease tissue copper or the activity of red

blood

cell Cu,Zn-superoxide dismutase (SOD).49 However, neutrophil SOD-activity and

neutrophil function was significantly diminished, suggesting that immune

function may be more sensitive to diets low in copper than standard measures of

copper status. It was also found that immune impairment could be detected as

soon as one week after the initiation of a diet low or marginal in copper, and

the addition of adequate copper reversed the immune suppression within one week

of supplementation. The authors concluded that, "...the adverse effects of

inadequate copper intake on neutrophil activity occur rapidly and are readily

reversed by dietary copper repletion." Additionally, it has been demonstrated

that copper deficiency reversibly impairs DNA synthesis in activated T-cells by

limiting interleukin 2 activity up to 50%, and this was reversible with copper

supplementation.50 Because of this sensitivity to copper status at levels of

intake that have little effect on other indicators of copper status, immune

system cells have been suggested to be a readily accessible and copper-status

sensitive population of cells for the assessment of copper status.51 http://www.oralchel ation.com/ technical/ copper1.htmSo, I've spent the day researching because I am

a little concerned over my son's very low copper level and my marginally low level. (Still awaiting KPU results).

Of course, for both of us our zinc was at the lower end of the range as

well. This is interesting because I've supplemented with 50 mg of zinc

for a few years, on and off, and am surprised that I would be low. It made me really think about all of the chelating we do and how we can take the good with the bad. (My son hasn't done any chelating, so his levels are of even greater concern).

My thought is to everyone, to be careful and have your serum levels check of minerals every so often. I was tempted to start the KPU protocol and not spend the time or money on any testing. Had we done this, mine and my son's copper levels would begin to plummet and I would

have had no idea that it was happening.

Although copper has received some bad press the last few years, it does have important functions and being deficient is just as bad.Take good care,

April 26, 2010

Yep, on the doctor thing. I think I'll call EHS today. I also think since my son was below range in copper, that I will pick up a copper supplement for him today and get him started. It is not good to be deficient in this mineral.

Hi It will be interesting to see how your test results turn out. Most people I have talked to that have KPU have love zink and high copper. I would not do KPU without the KPU test and I don't feel its a good thing to do this without Md guidance. There r warnings everywhere about this. People can get into serious trouble with the protocol. I am aware people r doing it on there own and that's their choice.The sad thing is that many cannot find Mds to help them and I understand that. Taking zink and the rest of the protocol the copper levels can go low. Which mine did and we added very small amounts of copper.I was taking it with the KPU and have found it needs to be taken away,about 2-3 hrs away. In a lot of the Dr K info he talks about adding in copper down the line. Healing Blessings Joyce

Subject: Chelating, low Copper, comprimised immune functionTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 8:05 PM

Copper and Immune Function

It has been well documented that adequate copper status is

essential

for normal functioning of the immune system in laboratory and domestic animals.47

For instance, not only has it been shown that the functioning of

macrophages were decreased in severely copper deficient rats, but even

marginally copper-deficient rats had impaired immune functioning.48

Interestingly, immune function was significantly impaired at dietary copper

levels that didn't seem to decrease tissue copper or the activity of red

blood

cell Cu,Zn-superoxide dismutase (SOD).49 However, neutrophil SOD-activity and

neutrophil function was significantly diminished, suggesting that immune

function may be more sensitive to diets low in copper than standard measures of

copper status. It was also found that immune impairment could be detected as

soon as one week after the initiation of a diet low or marginal in copper, and

the addition of adequate copper reversed the immune suppression within one week

of supplementation. The authors concluded that, " ...the adverse effects of

inadequate copper intake on neutrophil activity occur rapidly and are readily

reversed by dietary copper repletion. " Additionally, it has been demonstrated

that copper deficiency reversibly impairs DNA synthesis in activated T-cells by

limiting interleukin 2 activity up to 50%, and this was reversible with copper

supplementation.50 Because of this sensitivity to copper status at levels of

intake that have little effect on other indicators of copper status, immune

system cells have been suggested to be a readily accessible and copper-status

sensitive population of cells for the assessment of copper status.51 http://www.oralchel ation.com/ technical/ copper1.htm

So, I've spent the day researching because I am

a little concerned over my son's very low copper level and my marginally low level. (Still awaiting KPU results).

Of course, for both of us our zinc was at the lower end of the range as

well. This is interesting because I've supplemented with 50 mg of zinc

for a few years, on and off, and am surprised that I would be low. It made me really think about all of the chelating we do and how we can take the good with the bad. (My son hasn't done any chelating, so his levels are of even greater concern).

My thought is to everyone, to be careful and have your serum levels check of minerals every so often. I was tempted to start the KPU protocol and not spend the time or money on any testing. Had we done this, mine and my son's copper levels would begin to plummet and I would

have had no idea that it was happening.

Although copper has received some bad press the last few years, it does have important functions and being deficient is just as bad.Take good care,

April 26, 2010

Hi ,

There is a copper/zinc ratio, it is 15:1... Many supps are sold in this

strength, or you can take zinc 15 mg for each copper 1 mg taken... This is also

very important as a low zinc to copper ration weakens arteries and blood vessels

and thus aneurysms can form.

Take care,

Jim

>

> Copper and Immune Function

> It has been well documented that adequate copper status is essential

> for normal functioning of the immune system in laboratory and domestic

> animals.47 <http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/copper1.htm#47> For

> instance, not only has it been shown that the functioning of macrophages

> were decreased in severely copper deficient rats, but even marginally

> copper-deficient rats had impaired immune functioning.48

> <http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/copper1.htm#48> Interestingly,

> immune function was significantly impaired at dietary copper levels

> that didn't seem to decrease tissue copper or the activity of red blood

> cell Cu,Zn-superoxide dismutase (SOD).49

> <http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/copper1.htm#49> However,

> neutrophil SOD-activity and neutrophil function was significantly

> diminished, suggesting that immune function may be more sensitive to

> diets low in copper than standard measures of copper status. It was

> also found that immune impairment could be detected as soon as one week

> after the initiation of a diet low or marginal in copper, and the

> addition of adequate copper reversed the immune suppression within one

> week of supplementation. The authors concluded that, " ...the adverse

> effects of inadequate copper intake on neutrophil activity occur

> rapidly and are readily reversed by dietary copper repletion. "

> Additionally, it has been demonstrated that copper deficiency

> reversibly impairs DNA synthesis in activated T-cells by limiting

> interleukin 2 activity up to 50%, and this was reversible with copper

> supplementation.50

> <http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/copper1.htm#50> Because of

> this sensitivity to copper status at levels of intake that have little

> effect on other indicators of copper status, immune system cells have

> been suggested to be a readily accessible and copper-status sensitive

> population of cells for the assessment of copper status.51

> <http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/copper1.htm#51>

> http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/copper1.htm

>

> So, I've spent the day researching because I am a little concerned over

> my son's very low copper level and my marginally low level. (Still

> awaiting KPU results).

>

> Of course, for both of us our zinc was at the lower end of the range as

> well. This is interesting because I've supplemented with 50 mg of zinc

> for a few years, on and off, and am surprised that I would be low. It

> made me really think about all of the chelating we do and how we can

> take the good with the bad. (My son hasn't done any chelating, so his

> levels are of even greater concern).

>

> My thought is to everyone, to be careful and have your serum levels

> check of minerals every so often. I was tempted to start the KPU

> protocol and not spend the time or money on any testing. Had we done

> this, mine and my son's copper levels would begin to plummet and I would

> have had no idea that it was happening.

>

> Although copper has received some bad press the last few years, it does

> have important functions and being deficient is just as bad.

>

> Take good care,

>

April 26, 2010

Hey Jim, If a person has KPU its a whole different ball game sorry to say. Take care JSubject: Re: Chelating, low Copper, comprimised immune functionTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 10:11 AM

Hi ,

There is a copper/zinc ratio, it is 15:1... Many supps are sold in this strength, or you can take zinc 15 mg for each copper 1 mg taken... This is also very important as a low zinc to copper ration weakens arteries and blood vessels and thus aneurysms can form.

Take care,

Jim

>

> Copper and Immune Function

> It has been well documented that adequate copper status is essential

> for normal functioning of the immune system in laboratory and domestic

> animals.47 <http://www.oralchel ation.com/ technical/ copper1.htm# 47> For

> instance, not only has it been shown that the functioning of macrophages

> were decreased in severely copper deficient rats, but even marginally

> copper-deficient rats had impaired immune functioning. 48

> <http://www.oralchel ation.com/ technical/ copper1.htm# 48> Interestingly,

> immune function was significantly impaired at dietary copper levels

> that didn't seem to decrease tissue copper or the activity of red blood

> cell Cu,Zn-superoxide dismutase (SOD).49

> <http://www.oralchel ation.com/ technical/ copper1.htm# 49> However,

> neutrophil SOD-activity and neutrophil function was significantly

> diminished, suggesting that immune function may be more sensitive to

> diets low in copper than standard measures of copper status. It was

> also found that immune impairment could be detected as soon as one week

> after the initiation of a diet low or marginal in copper, and the

> addition of adequate copper reversed the immune suppression within one

> week of supplementation. The authors concluded that, "...the adverse

> effects of inadequate copper intake on neutrophil activity occur

> rapidly and are readily reversed by dietary copper repletion."

> Additionally, it has been demonstrated that copper deficiency

> reversibly impairs DNA synthesis in activated T-cells by limiting

> interleukin 2 activity up to 50%, and this was reversible with copper

> supplementation. 50

> <http://www.oralchel ation.com/ technical/ copper1.htm# 50> Because of

> this sensitivity to copper status at levels of intake that have little

> effect on other indicators of copper status, immune system cells have

> been suggested to be a readily accessible and copper-status sensitive

> population of cells for the assessment of copper status.51

> <http://www.oralchel ation.com/ technical/ copper1.htm# 51>

> http://www.oralchel ation.com/ technical/ copper1.htm

>

> So, I've spent the day researching because I am a little concerned over

> my son's very low copper level and my marginally low level. (Still

> awaiting KPU results).

>

> Of course, for both of us our zinc was at the lower end of the range as

> well. This is interesting because I've supplemented with 50 mg of zinc

> for a few years, on and off, and am surprised that I would be low. It

> made me really think about all of the chelating we do and how we can

> take the good with the bad. (My son hasn't done any chelating, so his

> levels are of even greater concern).

>

> My thought is to everyone, to be careful and have your serum levels

> check of minerals every so often. I was tempted to start the KPU

> protocol and not spend the time or money on any testing. Had we done

> this, mine and my son's copper levels would begin to plummet and I would

> have had no idea that it was happening.

>

> Although copper has received some bad press the last few years, it does

> have important functions and being deficient is just as bad.

>

> Take good care,

>

April 26, 2010

Hi Jim,Thanks. That may work for me, but I think we will need to give my son more copper - and plenty more blood checks. Interestingly enough the article I quoted part of had a paragraph on strength of blood vessel walls as well:

In copper deficiency the level of

lysyl oxidase isn't altered, but the activity of the enzyme can be reduced by

more than fifty percent.7 Not surprisingly, some of the hallmarks of copper

deficiency are connective tissue disorders, osteoporosis, and blood vessel

damage.It's such a tricky balance.Health and Blessings,