Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 > >Have a young girl coming to see my with urticaria triggered by showers > and swimming which her GP says is induced by temperature change. > I treated a young girl with a similar problem some years ago and used probiotics - specifically, soil based organisms which are really useful for allergic type responses - if I remember rightly I also took her off dairy as her digestion wasn't too good either. Chlorine in the water is a likely culprit - but the SBO's helped my patient to deal with that - I think she only needed one month supply regards Herbert > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I have suffered from this (and still do occasionally) - well, cholinergic/stress induced urticaria - and temp changes are stress (still are for me, as is exercise and direct pressure on skin, and maybe it's the exercise of swimming that is also inducing urticaria in your patient?). Never took herbs (oddly enough!) but diet helped hugely to manage it: yeast and dairy free, no fermented/fungal things (eg vinegars, alcohol, ripe bananas/melons/grapes, mushrooms), low sugar, only meat was lamb...trying to remember if shellfish was excluded too. This was about 10 years ago prior to my training as herbalist, following advice of J Brostoff (derma - immunologist and author - maybe your patient's mother might know of him and be more ameanable?!) and Dr Choy (allergy specialist). But having been covered in urticaria, the diet (strict for about 4 months, then slow re-intergration over 1-1.5 years) helped immeasurably (I was on steroids and anti-hist). I just use aloe vera topically now, although maybe a dose of Ephedra sinica for symptomatic treatment as and when may also be helpful? Urticaria is a hypersensitive state...the diet I felt (no processed foods, quite " back to basics " ) was like a detox, removing any dietary stressors, and allowed my body to re-calibrate itself... am in a bit of a rush but please email me if you need more clarification! Vlotides --- toddannabel wrote: > Hello everyone > Have a young girl coming to see my with urticaria > triggered by showers > and swimming which her GP says is induced by > temperature change. She > has been put on long-term anti-histamines and her > mother isn't happy > about it. Her mother is a dietician, so discussions > about diet might > be challenging! Am thinking along the lines of > urtica, matric, glyc, > galium, plantago and maybe scut baic. Has anyone > else had any > experience of temperature mediated urticaria? Any > thoughts would be > very welcome. > Thanks, > bel > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Has anyone considered the reaction to chlorine? Here in the US, water is often chlorinated... as are swimming pools... and I've seen reactions after swimming in strongly treated pool water. Just a thought... Tami NJ USA temperature urticaria Hello everyone Have a young girl coming to see my with urticaria triggered by showers and swimming which her GP says is induced by temperature change. She has been put on long-term anti-histamines and her mother isn't happy about it. Her mother is a dietician, so discussions about diet might be challenging! Am thinking along the lines of urtica, matric, glyc, galium, plantago and maybe scut baic. Has anyone else had any experience of temperature mediated urticaria? Any thoughts would be very welcome. Thanks, bel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Probably not the best reply for this list, but with a similiar case I used Homoeopathic anti-chlorine tablets, which worked a treat. Tina.Alder temperature urticaria Hello everyone Have a young girl coming to see my with urticaria triggered by showers and swimming which her GP says is induced by temperature change. She has been put on long-term anti-histamines and her mother isn't happy about it. Her mother is a dietician, so discussions about diet might be challenging! Am thinking along the lines of urtica, matric, glyc, galium, plantago and maybe scut baic. Has anyone else had any experience of temperature mediated urticaria? Any thoughts would be very welcome. Thanks, bel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hi Tami I was wondering if instead of temperature it was actually aquagenic urticaria. I've suffered from that on and off since living in germany about 30 years ago. Saw a dermatologist there who told me it was very common for people moving to Germany or Germans returning after some time abroad to get this and it was all to do with chemicals in the water. i've had it ever since. Over the years I have taken it as a marker of water 'pollution'. Swimming pools are dreadful for me. Sea never used to trouble me but few years ago that started too. Absolutely fine in France interestingly. I add Dead Sea salts to bath water every so often, and keep diet as 'clean' as poss. I notice rash after bath if I eat stuff like chocolate or drink lots of wine - though it's fine in France. I think it helps in any skin condition to remember the skin is an organ of elimination and take the strain off it by finding out what makes it 'unhappy' and by ensuring the other eliminatory organs work well, in the same way as you would do if it was e.g eczema. ======================================== Message Received: Feb 10 2008, 03:20 AM To: ukherbal-list Cc: Subject: Re: temperature urticaria Has anyone considered the reaction to chlorine? Here in the US, water is often chlorinated... as are swimming pools... and I've seen reactions after swimming in strongly treated pool water. Just a thought... Tami NJ USA temperature urticaria Hello everyone Have a young girl coming to see my with urticaria triggered by showers and swimming which her GP says is induced by temperature change. She has been put on long-term anti-histamines and her mother isn't happy about it. Her mother is a dietician, so discussions about diet might be challenging! Am thinking along the lines of urtica, matric, glyc, galium, plantago and maybe scut baic. Has anyone else had any experience of temperature mediated urticaria? Any thoughts would be very welcome. Thanks, bel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 , I must say that makes total sense to me. Not only chlorine --although that was the first thing to pop into mind-- but there are varying bacterium, minerals, heavy metals/elements and other substances in water depending upon region of the country and world. It has even been studied that drugs can be found in water supplies (i.e. hormones, chemotherapy agents and others) which pass through the body unchanged and released into the environment or drugs that have been discarded by flushing down the toilet!! That is a VERY scary thought, indeed... such drugs that don't biodegrade into basic elements, but remain intact and can be consumed indirectly. My gosh... Anyhoo... I digress... The skin can be sensitized and react to any number of water contaminants or naturally occurring minerals. Some locales have water that goes through treatment plants, and water makeup varies widely from town to town --even in a single state or province! At least here, you can request a water analysis from the water company --which, I'd like to add that our local city water company here in NJ (used to be town Water Co) is now owned and operated by the Thames Water Co in the UK --go figure!!-- and get a full reading of SOME of what is in your water. xxTami Hi Tami I was wondering if instead of temperature it was actually aquagenic urticaria. I've suffered from that on and off since living in germany about 30 years ago. Saw a dermatologist there who told me it was very common for people moving to Germany or Germans returning after some time abroad to get this and it was all to do with chemicals in the water. i've had it ever since. Over the years I have taken it as a marker of water 'pollution'. Swimming pools are dreadful for me. Sea never used to trouble me but few years ago that started too. Absolutely fine in France interestingly. I add Dead Sea salts to bath water every so often, and keep diet as 'clean' as poss. I notice rash after bath if I eat stuff like chocolate or drink lots of wine - though it's fine in France. I think it helps in any skin condition to remember the skin is an organ of elimination and take the strain off it by finding out what makes it 'unhappy' and by ensuring the other eliminatory organs work well, in the same way as you would do if it was e.g eczema. ======================================== Recent Activity * 3 New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Yahoo! Group to share and learn. Yahoo! Health Memory Loss Are you at risk for Alzheimers? Moderator Central Yahoo! Groups Join and receive produce updates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hi Tami I'm pretty sure there have been problems in some british rivers with fish stocks, as they experienced female gender preponderance due to a combination of drugs and phthalates - I think this maybe has led to tighter controls on outflows, but if people keep using oral contraception and HRT it's got to go somewhere....... Thames water! it's all getting a bit " musical chairs " with utility ownership isn't it. I remember reading about that experiment where some people lived in a self contained dome and the set up researchers found that the most efficient cleaning system that they could devise turned out to be passing waste through enough good soil, where the micro-organisms were extraordinarily efficient at breaking down most all of the organic compounds (no good for metals etc, obviously, ) Life, eh doncha love it........ big or small Or for all you fellow brits old enough to remember " Round the Horne " " The aaaaaaanswer lies in the soil " beds maybe? (Utopian, moi? peut- etre) Sally O > , I must say that makes total sense to me. Not > only chlorine --although that was the first thing to > pop into mind-- but there are varying bacterium, > minerals, heavy metals/elements and other substances > in water depending upon region of the country and > world. It has even been studied that drugs can be > found in water supplies (i.e. hormones, chemotherapy > agents and others) which pass through the body > unchanged and released into the environment or drugs > that have been discarded by flushing down the > toilet!! That is a VERY scary thought, indeed... > such drugs that don't biodegrade into basic > elements, but remain intact and can be consumed > indirectly. My gosh... Anyhoo... I digress... > The skin can be sensitized and react to any number > of water contaminants or naturally occurring > minerals. Some locales have water that goes through > treatment plants, and water makeup varies widely > from town to town --even in a single state or > province! At least here, you can request a water > analysis from the water company --which, I'd like to > add that our local city water company here in NJ > (used to be town Water Co) is now owned and > operated by the Thames Water Co in the UK --go > figure!!-- and get a full reading of SOME of what is > in your water. xxTami > > > Hi Tami > > I was wondering if instead of temperature it was > actually aquagenic urticaria. > I've suffered from that on and off since living in > germany about 30 years ago. Saw a dermatologist > there who told me it was very common for people > moving to Germany or Germans returning after some > time abroad to get this and it was all to do with > chemicals in the water. i've had it ever since. > Over the years I have taken it as a marker of > water 'pollution'. Swimming pools are dreadful for > me. Sea never used to trouble me but few years ago > that started too. Absolutely fine in France > interestingly. > > I add Dead Sea salts to bath water every so often, > and keep diet as 'clean' as poss. I notice rash > after bath if I eat stuff like chocolate or drink > lots of wine - though it's fine in France. > > I think it helps in any skin condition to remember > the skin is an organ of elimination and take the > strain off it by finding out what makes it > 'unhappy' and by ensuring the other eliminatory > organs work well, in the same way as you would do > if it was e.g eczema. > > > ======================================== > > Recent Activity > * > 3 > New Members > > Visit Your Group > > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > > A Yahoo! Group > > to share and learn. > > Yahoo! Health > > Memory Loss > > Are you at risk > > for Alzheimers? > > Moderator Central > > Yahoo! Groups > > Join and receive > > produce updates. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hi Tami > > I think it helps in any skin condition to remember the skin is an > organ of elimination and take the strain off it by finding out what > makes it 'unhappy' and by ensuring the other eliminatory organs > work well, in the same way as you would do if it was e.g eczema. > Hear hear, I did well with this, quite a while ago, working along these lines - (not sure if I can remember the patient's name to look it up unfortunately ;-) - she got better quickly, and I signed her off, and it was years ago. also urtica fol featured prominently due to its specificity for urticaria - (I thought maybe it was a bit poetic ;-) , but it worked well in this case.) Another herb I like a lot for itching is sambucus flor. and I like a little peppermint oil in any itch cream as symptomatic relief. Sally O > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Feb 10 2008, 03:20 AM > > To: ukherbal-list > Cc: > Subject: Re: temperature urticaria > > Has anyone considered the reaction to chlorine? Here in the US, > water is often chlorinated... as are swimming pools... and I've > seen reactions after swimming in strongly treated pool water. Just > a thought... > Tami > NJ USA > > temperature urticaria > > > Hello everyone > Have a young girl coming to see my with urticaria triggered by > showers > and swimming which her GP says is induced by temperature change. > She > has been put on long-term anti-histamines and her mother isn't > happy > about it. Her mother is a dietician, so discussions about diet > might > be challenging! Am thinking along the lines of urtica, matric, > glyc, > galium, plantago and maybe scut baic. Has anyone else had any > experience of temperature mediated urticaria? Any thoughts would be > very welcome. > Thanks, > bel > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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