Re: Thyroid Question

December 29, 2009

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I am not sure why you got the results you did, but I only know not to mess around with it. Have you contacted your doctor? What has she/he said about the levels rising? I had the same problem with a HBP medication. Finally found one that works well.

I have a sister who take meds for that, and she has not been doing so. Actually, all of my sisters take meds for Thyroids problems. I am the only one who has not had an issue with it.

The one who is not taking her meds either has Alzheimer's or just memory problems from not taking it, or it is from her Carbon Monoxide leak in her apartment.

, please check with your doctor and perhaps you need to change medications?

Take care.

Debbie

To: erythema_nodosum_Group Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 6:40:51 PMSubject: Thyroid Question

Dear Group,I know lots of us have thyroid problems in addition to EN. I have had mild hyopthyroid for at least 10 yrs and never medicated. But my new HMO dr. said I should and started me on 25 mcg.levothyroid. In one month on 25 mcg levothyroid my TSH went down to 4.38 from a starting level of 5.26 but still too high. Then the dr.told me to up my levothyroid to 50 mcg. After two months on that my TSH is even higher than when I started at nearly 5.98! My T-3 and T-4 are only slightly higher than they were before and still in the normal ranges.Is this typical with levothyroid meds? I have a feeling the higher dose bottle of levothyroid may have been less effective as it is close to the expiration date of 4/2010. I have been careful to take my meds at the same time each morning at least an hour before breakfast and no mineral supplements until 4 hours passes. I feel no difference from taking the thyroid meds and have no symptoms of

hypothyroid that I am aware of.Any ideas why I got these odd lab results? Thanks for your input.Love,idio. EN '68 in remission now

December 29, 2009

Hi Debbie,

I already contacted my dr via email, and I just read that the form of calcium I

take--calcium carbonate can cause the levothyroid to not be absorbed correctly.

So it seems there are lots of reasons why this might have happened.

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/tsh-fluctuating.htm

My Dr. is good at getting back to me, so I should get his thoughts soon. Maybe

he will send me to an endocrinologist who knows more about the different thyroid

meds and how to fine tune them.

On the brighter side, my cholesterol test came out sterling, and without

cholesterol meds!

Thanks for your thoughts and encouragement.

Love,

>

> ,

> I am not sure why you got the results you did, but I only know not to mess

around with it. Have you contacted your doctor? What has she/he said about the

levels rising? I had the same problem with a HBP medication. Finally found one

that works well.

> I have a sister who take meds for that, and she has not been doing so.

Actually, all of my sisters take meds for Thyroids problems. I am the only one

who has not had an issue with it.

> The one who is not taking her meds either has Alzheimer's or just memory

problems from not taking it, or it is from her Carbon Monoxide leak in her

apartment.

> , please check with your doctor and perhaps you need to change

medications?

> Take care.

> Debbie

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: erythema_nodosum_Group

> Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 6:40:51 PM

> Subject: Thyroid Question

>

> Â

> Dear Group,

> I know lots of us have thyroid problems in addition to EN. I have had mild

hyopthyroid for at least 10 yrs and never medicated. But my new HMO dr. said I

should and started me on 25 mcg.levothyroid. In one month on 25 mcg levothyroid

my TSH went down to 4.38 from a starting level of 5.26 but still too high. Then

the dr.told me to up my levothyroid to 50 mcg. After two months on that my TSH

is even higher than when I started at nearly 5.98! My T-3 and T-4 are only

slightly higher than they were before and still in the normal ranges.

>

> Is this typical with levothyroid meds? I have a feeling the higher dose bottle

of levothyroid may have been less effective as it is close to the expiration

date of 4/2010. I have been careful to take my meds at the same time each

morning at least an hour before breakfast and no mineral supplements until 4

hours passes. I feel no difference from taking the thyroid meds and have no

symptoms of hypothyroid that I am aware of.

>

> Any ideas why I got these odd lab results? Thanks for your input.

>

> Love,

>

> idio. EN '68 in remission now

>

December 29, 2009

Very interesting. I used to be on Armour 135, but because of the shortage due to swine flu my doctor had to switch me to Levothyroid 100 MCG early November. Perhaps that in conjunction to my being lax with my adrenals allowed my lumps to return.I haven't had my levels tested since switching as soon as I can I will let you know what my levels are. My gut feeling is mine are low just because my energy and lumps.Also I have been doing an awful lot of research on adrenals and immune suppression and how weak and fatigued adrenals can cause a false or crazy readings on Thyroid levels.best,ml ML GemmillWriter - Creative Ideator Dear Group,I know lots of us have thyroid problems in addition to EN. I have had mild hyopthyroid for at least 10 yrs and never medicated. But my new HMO dr. said I should and started me on 25 mcg.levothyroid. In one month on 25 mcg levothyroid my TSH went down to 4.38 from a starting level of 5.26 but still too high. Then the dr.told me to up my levothyroid to 50 mcg. After two months on that my TSH is even higher than when I started at nearly 5.98! My T-3 and T-4 are only slightly higher than they were before and still in the normal ranges.Is this typical with levothyroid meds? I have a feeling the higher dose bottle of levothyroid may have been less effective as it is close to the expiration date of 4/2010. I have been careful to take my meds at the same time each morning at least an hour before breakfast and no mineral supplements until 4 hours passes. I feel no difference from taking the thyroid meds and have no symptoms of hypothyroid that I am aware of.Any ideas why I got these odd lab results? Thanks for your input.Love,idio. EN '68 in remission now

December 29, 2009

Hi Louise,Thanks for your reply. I've been under a lot of stress, but my EN still is in remission. I would personally prefer to go on the natural thyroid as I read it has a long shelf life and stays potent unlike levothyroid. I know thyroid levels can change depending on when in the day you take them. I took the TSH in the afternoon a couple yrs ago and was normal, while the morning test showed I was hypothyroid. I wonder if sleep disturbances can cause TSH fluctuations? I didn't sleep well the night before the test ;-(Let us know what your tests show when you know. Love,http://poems2order.wordpress.com/Please enter Erythema Nodosum.........Thanks!Dear Group,I know lots of us have thyroid problems in addition to EN. I have had mild hyopthyroid for at least 10 yrs and never medicated. But my new HMO dr. said I should and started me on 25 mcg.levothyroid. In one month on 25 mcg levothyroid my TSH went down to 4.38 from a starting level of 5.26 but still too high. Then the dr.told me to up my levothyroid to 50 mcg. After two months on that my TSH is even higher than when I started at nearly 5.98! My T-3 and T-4 are only slightly higher than they were before and still in the normal ranges.Is this typical with levothyroid meds? I have a feeling the higher dose bottle of levothyroid may have been less effective as it is close to the expiration date of 4/2010. I have been careful to take my meds at the same time each morning at least an hour before breakfast and no mineral supplements until 4 hours passes. I feel no difference from taking

the thyroid meds and have no symptoms of hypothyroid that I am aware of.Any ideas why I got these odd lab results? Thanks for your input.Love,idio. EN '68 in remission now

December 29, 2009

I completely understand. It does effect your sleep. I strongly suggest that you try adrenal builders which are all natural.I do Future Formulations Adrenal Rebuilder, Super Adrenal Stress Formula and Adrenal C Formula. It cost about 120.00 for 2 months supply depending upon how fatigued your adrenals are. Mine were off the charts so I have to take them 4 x a day. You sound like you have a mild case so just a little and you may find wonderful relief. I experienced it within 48 hours of taking them. Since your thyroid is only a little off, my humble suggestion would be to address your adrenals which will totally help you sleep at night and regulate your adrenal cycles. And maybe deal with your thyroid through thyroid friendly foods? This is what my sister is doing and she feels great. If you TSH is off typically you will be lethargic, have constipation and losing outer eyebrow hair, have foggy thinking, dry skin and hair etc. Depending upon your level of deficiency. However, if your adrenals are fatigued or stressed you will have problems sleeping. Adrenals regulate that, and hormones that effect inflammation. It also effects the ability to deal with stress. there is also another adrenal tablet called Isocort: 24 bucks for 240 pills. read up on that and see if you want to just start there. I happen to like both. I take my adrenal supports and Isocort (1 a day), but mine, as i said were so extremely fatigued. Other natural sleep aides are also magnolia which can help but might give you weird dreams and Melatonin which we lose when we age. Some people swear by it. But if your adrenals are off you might experience wide awake on melatonin like I do.Licorice tea is also helpful for adrenal fatigue, but can effect blood pressure and since I have a racing heart I have to stay away from it.I got Dr. 's book on Adrenal Fatigue 14. bucks and it was so informative. I used to be an insomniac prior to adrenals. Let me know if this is helpful.Here are the two links I use to purchase my supplies:research and read about the benefits and maybe you can experiment. Maybe the most cost effect route would be best.http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/index.php?csid=63c54bd194cb1e86dcdb1ae959945eca & sl=EN & currency=http://www.naturamart.com/bezwecken-isocort-240-pellets.htmlhere's also a link to thyroid diethttp://books.google.com/books?id=vjfZeS_J4jEC & dq=thyroid+diets & printsec=frontcover & source=bn & hl=en & ei=reA6S4iIFZOCsgO7ganNBA & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=4 & ved=0CB0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage & q=thyroid%20diets & f=falseI don't know if it is any good. I have to be on thryoid or I wouldn't be able to get out of bed.best,ml ML GemmillWriter - Creative Ideator Hi Louise,Thanks for your reply. I've been under a lot of stress, but my EN still is in remission. I would personally prefer to go on the natural thyroid as I read it has a long shelf life and stays potent unlike levothyroid. I know thyroid levels can change depending on when in the day you take them. I took the TSH in the afternoon a couple yrs ago and was normal, while the morning test showed I was hypothyroid. I wonder if sleep disturbances can cause TSH fluctuations? I didn't sleep well the night before the test ;-(Let us know what your tests show when you know. Love,http://poems2order.wordpress.com/Please enter Erythema Nodosum.........Thanks!Dear Group,I know lots of us have thyroid problems in addition to EN. I have had mild hyopthyroid for at least 10 yrs and never medicated. But my new HMO dr. said I should and started me on 25 mcg.levothyroid. In one month on 25 mcg levothyroid my TSH went down to 4.38 from a starting level of 5.26 but still too high. Then the dr.told me to up my levothyroid to 50 mcg. After two months on that my TSH is even higher than when I started at nearly 5.98! My T-3 and T-4 are only slightly higher than they were before and still in the normal ranges.Is this typical with levothyroid meds? I have a feeling the higher dose bottle of levothyroid may have been less effective as it is close to the expiration date of 4/2010. I have been careful to take my meds at the same time each morning at least an hour before breakfast and no mineral supplements until 4 hours passes. I feel no difference from taking the thyroid meds and have no symptoms of hypothyroid that I am aware of.Any ideas why I got these odd lab results? Thanks for your input.Love,idio. EN '68 in remission now

December 29, 2009

,here's a quick read on Adrenal Fatigue and sleeplessnesshttp://ezinearticles.com/?Adrenal-Fatigue---A-Common-and-Curable-Source-of-Insomnia & id=2228202 ML GemmillWriter - Creative Ideator Hi Louise,Thanks for your reply. I've been under a lot of stress, but my EN still is in remission. I would personally prefer to go on the natural thyroid as I read it has a long shelf life and stays potent unlike levothyroid. I know thyroid levels can change depending on when in the day you take them. I took the TSH in the afternoon a couple yrs ago and was normal, while the morning test showed I was hypothyroid. I wonder if sleep disturbances can cause TSH fluctuations? I didn't sleep well the night before the test ;-(Let us know what your tests show when you know. Love,http://poems2order.wordpress.com/Please enter Erythema Nodosum.........Thanks!Dear Group,I know lots of us have thyroid problems in addition to EN. I have had mild hyopthyroid for at least 10 yrs and never medicated. But my new HMO dr. said I should and started me on 25 mcg.levothyroid. In one month on 25 mcg levothyroid my TSH went down to 4.38 from a starting level of 5.26 but still too high. Then the dr.told me to up my levothyroid to 50 mcg. After two months on that my TSH is even higher than when I started at nearly 5.98! My T-3 and T-4 are only slightly higher than they were before and still in the normal ranges.Is this typical with levothyroid meds? I have a feeling the higher dose bottle of levothyroid may have been less effective as it is close to the expiration date of 4/2010. I have been careful to take my meds at the same time each morning at least an hour before breakfast and no mineral supplements until 4 hours passes. I feel no difference from taking the thyroid meds and have no symptoms of hypothyroid that I am aware of.Any ideas why I got these odd lab results? Thanks for your input.Love,idio. EN '68 in remission now

December 30, 2009

Hi Louise,

My difficulty sleeping is only when I have problems on my mind--not really that

often. But I did have them for a few days before I took the blood tests. I

typically sleep great, so might not have adrenal fatigue, although a

chiropractor told me my adrenals were " shot " maybe 25 yrs ago. I don't know why

he said that. I was not from blood work.

Love,

> >

> >> Dear Group,

> >> I know lots of us have thyroid problems in addition to EN. I have

> >> had mild hyopthyroid for at least 10 yrs and never medicated. But

> >> my new HMO dr. said I should and started me on 25 mcg.levothyroid.

> >> In one month on 25 mcg levothyroid my TSH went down to 4.38 from a

> >> starting level of 5.26 but still too high. Then the dr.told me to

> >> up my levothyroid to 50 mcg. After two months on that my TSH is

> >> even higher than when I started at nearly 5.98! My T-3 and T-4 are

> >> only slightly higher than they were before and still in the normal

> >> ranges.

> >>

> >> Is this typical with levothyroid meds? I have a feeling the higher

> >> dose bottle of levothyroid may have been less effective as it is

> >> close to the expiration date of 4/2010. I have been careful to take

> >> my meds at the same time each morning at least an hour before

> >> breakfast and no mineral supplements until 4 hours passes. I feel

> >> no difference from taking the thyroid meds and have no symptoms of

> >> hypothyroid that I am aware of.

> >>

> >> Any ideas why I got these odd lab results? Thanks for your input.

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

> >> idio. EN '68 in remission now

> >>

> >

>

December 30, 2009

Hi Louise,

Well I don't have any of the low TSH symptoms--never have, which is why my old

MD didn't try to medicate. Only possible symptom I have is sparce outer edge

eyebrow hair, but I think that is from over-tweezing.

One Dr. told me that the thyroid pumps out TSH every 15 minutes or so, and it

fluctuates all day long. Sure sounds hard to monitor.

I will check out the thyroid diet. I like doing dietary treatments where at all

possible.

As far as ability to deal with stress--well there is a possible adrenal problem

since I subjectively feel I do not deal well with stress. When Hubby had the

nervous breakdown last year due to our money losses, everyone felt I was dealing

great with the stress, but maybe that was just single minded determination to

get us through it. And in fact things are doing much better with him! In fact

his bloods are back all perfect now.

Thanks for all the info. I'll let you know what my dr. thinks.

Love,

idio EN since '68 in remission now