Re: Clinical & Complex Homeopath

[Guest guest]

Dear Liz

I fear I may be a complete cynic, but this sounds like a scam to me.

Toxacariosa?

If you really want to go along with this, give her sample bottles of

the tinctures in her mixture for testing, but remember, our herbs do

seem to be every body's " whipping boy " these days.

Sally O

> Dear All

>

> Just wondered if anyone has had a chance to look at my posting from a

> few days ago. I was asking what a Complex and Clinical Homeopath is,

> and

> what sort of machine they use for diagnosis. Very briefly, the patient

> was diagnosed with Brucellosis and Toxicariosa (which I took to be

> Toxoplasmosis).

>

> This is the same patient with the high blood pressure and high

> cholesterol levels. She started feeling unwell a couple of weeks ago,

> her hand tremor worsened, and she was recommended to go to see this

> Homeopath. The machine diagnosed that there was something in the mix I

> was giving her that did not agree with her. Does anyone know if it is

> possible to break down the mix into its separate entities and for the

> machine to analyse these separately so we may know which item could be

> causing problems?

>

> Any info would be much appreciated.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Liz

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

The machine was probably a Vega testing machine. I don¹t have one, but I do

use Applied Kinesiology muscle strength testing which does much the same

thing, but without machinery. I usually just test for food sensitivities,

but occasionally, with particularly sensitive patients, I test individual

herbs and sometimes find that something I¹ve been giving them doesn¹t suit.

If you can liaise with the homeopath, you could take along all the different

herbs you¹re giving her, and have her tested with each one (plus alcohol, if

you¹re using tinctures). Sensitivities are often temporary ­ if the patient

can manage to completely avoid the offending substance for a few months,

quite often the sensitivity resolves itself.

Best wishes,

Natalia

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natalia@...

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:15:43 +0000

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Subject: Clinical & Complex Homeopath

Dear All

Just wondered if anyone has had a chance to look at my posting from a

few days ago. I was asking what a Complex and Clinical Homeopath is, and

what sort of machine they use for diagnosis. Very briefly, the patient

was diagnosed with Brucellosis and Toxicariosa (which I took to be

Toxoplasmosis).

This is the same patient with the high blood pressure and high

cholesterol levels. She started feeling unwell a couple of weeks ago,

her hand tremor worsened, and she was recommended to go to see this

Homeopath. The machine diagnosed that there was something in the mix I

was giving her that did not agree with her. Does anyone know if it is

possible to break down the mix into its separate entities and for the

machine to analyse these separately so we may know which item could be

causing problems?

Any info would be much appreciated.

Best wishes

Liz

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[Guest guest]

I would concur with Natalia - I also use applied kinesiology for food

intolerance testing and also find the technique really useful for investigating

any odd reactions to my herbal prescriptions. In the just two days last week I

found two clients with an unsuspected intolerance to cinnamon - one in powder

form and one tincture - without kinesiology it would have taken a long time. It

is a useful tool, amongst many others, and I would be surprised if any training

course could possibly include everything of therapeutic value.

I don't have any knowledge about vega testing but kinesiology doesn't mind which

room it is tested in.

best wishes

Herbert

Clinical & Complex Homeopath

Dear All

Just wondered if anyone has had a chance to look at my posting from a

few days ago. I was asking what a Complex and Clinical Homeopath is, and

what sort of machine they use for diagnosis. Very briefly, the patient

was diagnosed with Brucellosis and Toxicariosa (which I took to be

Toxoplasmosis).

This is the same patient with the high blood pressure and high

cholesterol levels. She started feeling unwell a couple of weeks ago,

her hand tremor worsened, and she was recommended to go to see this

Homeopath. The machine diagnosed that there was something in the mix I

was giving her that did not agree with her. Does anyone know if it is

possible to break down the mix into its separate entities and for the

machine to analyse these separately so we may know which item could be

causing problems?

Any info would be much appreciated.

Best wishes

Liz

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Natalia ,

Much has been written about allergy testing on this form in the past , incl Vega

, and much cold water has been poured on this as a therapeutic tool . This area

has been tested , and it was found that the same sample can/will give different

readings in different rooms .

I would be interested in your comments .

If allergy testing using Vega , which has been around for a long time , was such

an important therapeutic aid , why is it that it is not part of the curriculum

of , eg , NIMH accredited courses thus far .?

Emmett Walsh

Clinical & Complex Homeopath

Dear All

Just wondered if anyone has had a chance to look at my posting from a

few days ago. I was asking what a Complex and Clinical Homeopath is, and

what sort of machine they use for diagnosis. Very briefly, the patient

was diagnosed with Brucellosis and Toxicariosa (which I took to be

Toxoplasmosis).

This is the same patient with the high blood pressure and high

cholesterol levels. She started feeling unwell a couple of weeks ago,

her hand tremor worsened, and she was recommended to go to see this

Homeopath. The machine diagnosed that there was something in the mix I

was giving her that did not agree with her. Does anyone know if it is

possible to break down the mix into its separate entities and for the

machine to analyse these separately so we may know which item could be

causing problems?

Any info would be much appreciated.

Best wishes

Liz

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Hi Liz,

I am a practitioner of Ayurveda and Nadi Vigyan. I have worked in

Integrated Medicine centres in several places around the world

including Germany. I am not sure, but this could be a Vega machine.

The homeopath in our integrated centre here in Australia has one of

these Vega machines - to me its a gimmick.

My advice is forget all about machines, trust your own skill and

intuition. We are here to heal mind, body, spirit, soul - now if we

rely on machines for diagnosis, we might as well prescribe pharma

medications.

I know I am risking the wrath of some homeopaths here, but my advice

is trust your own intuition and skills for diagnosis. If you need

confirmation refer the patient to another practitioner maybe Chinese

Pulse diagnosis or Kinesiology etc.

All the best, if you need more advice email us some more symptoms of

the patients and I am sure we will be able to help.

Cheers

Ray

> afraid I don't know much about this so was not able to answer her

> questions - can someone explain how the machine works etc.

>

> Thanks in anticiaption!

>

> Liz

>

[Guest guest]

Emmett,

I can¹t comment on the syllabus of NIMH accredited courses, since I don¹t

set them.

All I can say about applied kinesiology for sensitivity testing is based on

my own (not enormous, not definitive) experience. It¹s not totally

accurate (but then, what is?), and any information it provides must be

interpreted in the light of a careful history, physical examination etc. I

wouldn¹t pretend to explain the mechanism. But sometimes it gives me

information that makes all the difference to the outcome for the patient,

which is all that really matters when you come down to it.

I find it helpful, so I use it.

Best wishes,

Natalia

natalia@...

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:32:12 -0000

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Subject: Re: Clinical & Complex Homeopath

Natalia ,

Much has been written about allergy testing on this form in the past , incl

Vega , and much cold water has been poured on this as a therapeutic tool .

This area has been tested , and it was found that the same sample can/will

give different readings in different rooms .

I would be interested in your comments .

If allergy testing using Vega , which has been around for a long time , was

such an important therapeutic aid , why is it that it is not part of the

curriculum of , eg , NIMH accredited courses thus far .?

Emmett Walsh

Clinical & Complex Homeopath

Dear All

Just wondered if anyone has had a chance to look at my posting from a

few days ago. I was asking what a Complex and Clinical Homeopath is, and

what sort of machine they use for diagnosis. Very briefly, the patient

was diagnosed with Brucellosis and Toxicariosa (which I took to be

Toxoplasmosis).

This is the same patient with the high blood pressure and high

cholesterol levels. She started feeling unwell a couple of weeks ago,

her hand tremor worsened, and she was recommended to go to see this

Homeopath. The machine diagnosed that there was something in the mix I

was giving her that did not agree with her. Does anyone know if it is

possible to break down the mix into its separate entities and for the

machine to analyse these separately so we may know which item could be

causing problems?

Any info would be much appreciated.

Best wishes

Liz

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