Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Hi Sue, I use Plantago lanceolata as a tea for majority of eczema patients - 1 to 3 cups per day. The tincture is not as effective. Another great and an underestimated herb is Viola odorata (as tincture, about 50 ml/week). I wonder if this lady is a case for digestive enzyme supplement, I have never used them myself but it may be worth a go. Hope it helps Sue Salmon wrote: Hello everyone. I've another request for advice. 67year old female patient who i've been seeing 7 months. Runs/owns private day nursery. Initially presented with diffuse, poorly demarcated, erythematous, dry, itchy rash over forearms to elbow flexure and on shins. Cracked and sore fingertips. Also occasional itchy dry skin on nose and periorbital. Onset of weeping, pruritic rash, in crease of buttocks, when started on Thyroxine the previous year. she had never had skin rashes before. The initial rash (in buttock crease) had resolved but other areas of skin had become involved. Exacerbated by stress. Family history - mother had psoriasis when elderly. MH of note Cholecystectomy 15 years ago and consequently has great difficulty digesting anything fatty (fish, Omega 3 supplements, nuts and seeds, excess dairy, all cause nausea (sometimes with vomiting), abdominal pain and loose stool). Underactive thyroid Dx 1 year ago - all skin problems started since that time. Although energy and mental alertness improved since taking 50mcg thyroxine, still feels more sluggish and mentally duller than she used to be. Her diet was ok, not enough fresh fruit and veg, or enough water - she's improved this over the months. After a couple of months tx her energy levels improved, skin rash diminished and less pruritic. Recurrent indigestion and loose stool now rarely occuring. she had managed to take a maximum of 2 Hemp seed caps daily, more than this causes nausea and loose stool. I really feel she's not digesting her food properly although there is improvement. Her tongue is less red and swollen looking than at her first appt. She tends to be a hot person. BP 158/92 In last three months the skin problems have changed and gone downhill again. Intensely pruritic palms and sides of hands with small pustules on an erythematous base, these then become brown/red flat blister-looking lesions. The diffuse, pruritic, erythematous areas have returned on forearms and are also appearing across shoulders. Lesions on lower legs, slightly worsened, but not as at first appt. I'm really not making much impression on this lady's hands and the problem seems to be spreading. The most helpful thing is topical application of Chickweed cream which stops the itching.Scabies was on my list of poss Diff Diagnosis especially as she works with children, but I can't see any burrows and it really doesn't look characteristic of this infestation. I've given assorted skin (incl Smilax, Galium, Urtica, Viola, Rehmania) and digestive herbs over the months. Her current Rx is Centella asiatica Filipendula Calendula Trifolium Carduus. I'm planning to use Berberis aq and Althaea rad in her next Rx, but any other advice/suggestions would be much appreciated. Sue Salmon Huddersfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Hi Sue, Did she have thyroid antibodies? If not then her hypothyroid may be as a consequence of Adrenal exhaustion. She may have low cortisol levels( increased risk of allergic response) for which I use Ribes nigrum glycerate. I usually combine it with some Glyc. glabra to nourish and support the adrenals and for anti inflam properties. Plantain also for it's cooling properties and anti allergenic quercetin content. Ground linseeds on cereal might be better tolerated too for EFA's. I find Calendula can be heating. I consider Berberis aqua. cooling for the liver although I find it slow to work. Hope that is of help. Zoe Hawes Medical Herbalist MNIMH RGN Dip Phyt. www.herbaljournal.co.uk 7 Carlingcott, Peasedown St , Bath. BA2 8AR 01761 439 920 > Hi Sue, > I use Plantago lanceolata as a tea for majority of eczema patients > - 1 to 3 cups per day. The tincture is not as effective. Another > great and an underestimated herb is Viola odorata (as tincture, > about 50 ml/week). I wonder if this lady is a case for digestive > enzyme supplement, I have never used them myself but it may be > worth a go. > Hope it helps > > > Sue Salmon wrote: > Hello everyone. I've another request for advice. 67year old female > patient who i've been seeing 7 months. Runs/owns private day > nursery. Initially presented with diffuse, poorly demarcated, > erythematous, dry, itchy rash over forearms to elbow flexure and on > shins. Cracked and sore fingertips. Also occasional itchy dry skin > on nose and periorbital. Onset of weeping, pruritic rash, in crease > of buttocks, when started on Thyroxine the previous year. she had > never had skin rashes before. The initial rash (in buttock crease) > had resolved but other areas of skin had become involved. > Exacerbated by stress. Family history - mother had psoriasis when > elderly. MH of note Cholecystectomy 15 years ago and consequently > has great difficulty digesting anything fatty (fish, Omega 3 > supplements, nuts and seeds, excess dairy, all cause nausea > (sometimes with vomiting), abdominal pain and loose stool). > Underactive thyroid Dx 1 year ago - all skin problems started since > that time. > Although energy and mental alertness improved since taking 50mcg > thyroxine, still feels more sluggish and mentally duller than she > used to be. Her diet was ok, not enough fresh fruit and veg, or > enough water - she's improved this over the months. > After a couple of months tx her energy levels improved, skin rash > diminished and less pruritic. Recurrent indigestion and loose stool > now rarely occuring. she had managed to take a maximum of 2 Hemp > seed caps daily, more than this causes nausea and loose stool. I > really feel she's not digesting her food properly although there is > improvement. Her tongue is less red and swollen looking than at her > first appt. She tends to be a hot person. BP 158/92 > In last three months the skin problems have changed and gone > downhill again. Intensely pruritic palms and sides of hands with > small pustules on an erythematous base, these then become brown/red > flat blister-looking lesions. The diffuse, pruritic, erythematous > areas have returned on forearms and are also appearing across > shoulders. Lesions on lower legs, slightly worsened, but not as at > first appt. I'm really not making much impression on this lady's > hands and the problem seems to be spreading. The most helpful thing > is topical application of Chickweed cream which stops the > itching.Scabies was on my list of poss Diff Diagnosis especially as > she works with children, but I can't see any burrows and it really > doesn't look characteristic of this infestation. I've given > assorted skin (incl Smilax, Galium, Urtica, Viola, Rehmania) and > digestive herbs over the months. Her current Rx is > Centella asiatica > Filipendula > Calendula > Trifolium > Carduus. > > I'm planning to use Berberis aq and Althaea rad in her next Rx, but > any other advice/suggestions would be much appreciated. > Sue Salmon > Huddersfield > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Hi Sue, In the past for my own bouts of eczema, I have used two herbs in particular. Arctium and Berberis aquifolium. As a teen, one particular occasion where I broke out all over my body including palms of hands and inside my ears, I just drank straight burdock decoction and honey, 4-6 cups a day (with nothing else to eat as I felt I was reacting to everything). I used straight burdock because it was all I knew to use at the time. I used this treatment whenever the exzema started to come back. The berberis aq, as a Tr, works very quickly for me, taking away the itch (withing a couple of days) and then clearing the rash, so it has been a mainstay over the years when my eczema starts to act up. Topically if things get really itchy, I use chickweed cream, and this tends to take some of the inflammation along with the itch.....even if it is the only thing I use. Marcia > > Sue Salmon wrote: > Hello everyone. I've another request for advice. 67year old female > patient who i've been seeing 7 months. Runs/owns private day > nursery. Initially presented with diffuse, poorly demarcated, > erythematous, dry, itchy rash over forearms to elbow flexure and on > shins. Cracked and sore fingertips. Also occasional itchy dry skin > on nose and periorbital. Onset of weeping, pruritic rash, in crease > of buttocks, when started on Thyroxine the previous year. she had > never had skin rashes before. The initial rash (in buttock crease) > had resolved but other areas of skin had become involved. > Exacerbated by stress. Family history - mother had psoriasis when > elderly. MH of note Cholecystectomy 15 years ago and consequently > has great difficulty digesting anything fatty (fish, Omega 3 > supplements, nuts and seeds, excess dairy, all cause nausea > (sometimes with vomiting), abdominal pain and loose stool). > Underactive thyroid Dx 1 year ago - all skin problems started since > that time. > Although energy and mental alertness improved since taking 50mcg > thyroxine, still feels more sluggish and mentally duller than she > used to be. Her diet was ok, not enough fresh fruit and veg, or > enough water - she's improved this over the months. > After a couple of months tx her energy levels improved, skin rash > diminished and less pruritic. Recurrent indigestion and loose stool > now rarely occuring. she had managed to take a maximum of 2 Hemp > seed caps daily, more than this causes nausea and loose stool. I > really feel she's not digesting her food properly although there is > improvement. Her tongue is less red and swollen looking than at her > first appt. She tends to be a hot person. BP 158/92 > In last three months the skin problems have changed and gone > downhill again. Intensely pruritic palms and sides of hands with > small pustules on an erythematous base, these then become brown/red > flat blister-looking lesions. The diffuse, pruritic, erythematous > areas have returned on forearms and are also appearing across > shoulders. Lesions on lower legs, slightly worsened, but not as at > first appt. I'm really not making much impression on this lady's > hands and the problem seems to be spreading. The most helpful thing > is topical application of Chickweed cream which stops the > itching.Scabies was on my list of poss Diff Diagnosis especially as > she works with children, but I can't see any burrows and it really > doesn't look characteristic of this infestation. I've given > assorted skin (incl Smilax, Galium, Urtica, Viola, Rehmania) and > digestive herbs over the months. Her current Rx is > Centella asiatica > Filipendula > Calendula > Trifolium > Carduus. > > I'm planning to use Berberis aq and Althaea rad in her next Rx, but > any other advice/suggestions would be much appreciated. > Sue Salmon > Huddersfield _________________________________________________________________ Get cool Messenger Emoticons! Click here to learn more. http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Hi Zoe, I've had some Ribes nigrum on my shelf for several months now but have been unsure how to use it. Mine is a 1:20 specific ethanolic glcerite. I would really like to read a monograph on it. What dose do you give? This patient has borderline hypertension so I can't give the Glyc unfortunately, but she definately has a stressful job which she fortunately loves. We have talked about her plans for retirement, this is definately something which she's thinking about and also envisioning what she might then do with her life - she's not the sit at home type! Is the quercetin in Plantago available in a tincture? or would you think tea is best? Thank you for your suggestions. Regards Sue Re: worsening eczema Hi Sue, Did she have thyroid antibodies? If not then her hypothyroid may be as a consequence of Adrenal exhaustion. She may have low cortisol levels( increased risk of allergic response) for which I use Ribes nigrum glycerate. I usually combine it with some Glyc. glabra to nourish and support the adrenals and for anti inflam properties. Plantain also for it's cooling properties and anti allergenic quercetin content. Ground linseeds on cereal might be better tolerated too for EFA's. I find Calendula can be heating. I consider Berberis aqua. cooling for the liver although I find it slow to work. Hope that is of help. Zoe Hawes Medical Herbalist MNIMH RGN Dip Phyt. www.herbaljournal.co.uk 7 Carlingcott, Peasedown St , Bath. BA2 8AR 01761 439 920 > Hi Sue, > I use Plantago lanceolata as a tea for majority of eczema patients > - 1 to 3 cups per day. The tincture is not as effective. Another > great and an underestimated herb is Viola odorata (as tincture, > about 50 ml/week). I wonder if this lady is a case for digestive > enzyme supplement, I have never used them myself but it may be > worth a go. > Hope it helps > > > Sue Salmon wrote: > Hello everyone. I've another request for advice. 67year old female > patient who i've been seeing 7 months. Runs/owns private day > nursery. Initially presented with diffuse, poorly demarcated, > erythematous, dry, itchy rash over forearms to elbow flexure and on > shins. Cracked and sore fingertips. Also occasional itchy dry skin > on nose and periorbital. Onset of weeping, pruritic rash, in crease > of buttocks, when started on Thyroxine the previous year. she had > never had skin rashes before. The initial rash (in buttock crease) > had resolved but other areas of skin had become involved. > Exacerbated by stress. Family history - mother had psoriasis when > elderly. MH of note Cholecystectomy 15 years ago and consequently > has great difficulty digesting anything fatty (fish, Omega 3 > supplements, nuts and seeds, excess dairy, all cause nausea > (sometimes with vomiting), abdominal pain and loose stool). > Underactive thyroid Dx 1 year ago - all skin problems started since > that time. > Although energy and mental alertness improved since taking 50mcg > thyroxine, still feels more sluggish and mentally duller than she > used to be. Her diet was ok, not enough fresh fruit and veg, or > enough water - she's improved this over the months. > After a couple of months tx her energy levels improved, skin rash > diminished and less pruritic. Recurrent indigestion and loose stool > now rarely occuring. she had managed to take a maximum of 2 Hemp > seed caps daily, more than this causes nausea and loose stool. I > really feel she's not digesting her food properly although there is > improvement. Her tongue is less red and swollen looking than at her > first appt. She tends to be a hot person. BP 158/92 > In last three months the skin problems have changed and gone > downhill again. Intensely pruritic palms and sides of hands with > small pustules on an erythematous base, these then become brown/red > flat blister-looking lesions. The diffuse, pruritic, erythematous > areas have returned on forearms and are also appearing across > shoulders. Lesions on lower legs, slightly worsened, but not as at > first appt. I'm really not making much impression on this lady's > hands and the problem seems to be spreading. The most helpful thing > is topical application of Chickweed cream which stops the > itching.Scabies was on my list of poss Diff Diagnosis especially as > she works with children, but I can't see any burrows and it really > doesn't look characteristic of this infestation. I've given > assorted skin (incl Smilax, Galium, Urtica, Viola, Rehmania) and > digestive herbs over the months. Her current Rx is > Centella asiatica > Filipendula > Calendula > Trifolium > Carduus. > > I'm planning to use Berberis aq and Althaea rad in her next Rx, but > any other advice/suggestions would be much appreciated. > Sue Salmon > Huddersfield > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 lynd Blackwall says 2mls bid,(she has a monograph- I might have copy of it- I'll see if I can find it) I get patients to add it to their main mix. I do use plantago as a tincure(rotundiflora apparently has a higher Quercetin level- I make a tincture of Lanceolata and rotundiflora mixed) From training I seem to remember it lost a lot of it's properties on drying but I do use it dried too in tea mixes for eczema with Matricaria and Urtica. Quercetin is water soluble so in a 25% 1:2 fresh plant tincture it would be extracted surely?? Borderline hypertension? I'd be risque and throw a smidge of Glyc. in and monitor the BP(!) Best Wishes and Kind Regards, Zoe Hawes Medical Herbalist MNIMH RGN Dip Phyt. www.herbaljournal.co.uk 7 Carlingcott, Peasedown St , Bath. BA2 8AR 01761 439 920 > Hi Zoe, I've had some Ribes nigrum on my shelf for several months > now but have been unsure how to use it. Mine is a 1:20 specific > ethanolic glcerite. I would really like to read a monograph on it. > What dose do you give? This patient has borderline hypertension so > I can't give the Glyc unfortunately, but she definately has a > stressful job which she fortunately loves. We have talked about her > plans for retirement, this is definately something which she's > thinking about and also envisioning what she might then do with her > life - she's not the sit at home type! > Is the quercetin in Plantago available in a tincture? or would you > think tea is best? > Thank you for your suggestions. > Regards > Sue > Re: worsening eczema > > Hi Sue, > Did she have thyroid antibodies? If not then her hypothyroid may be > as a consequence of Adrenal exhaustion. She may have low cortisol > levels( increased risk of allergic response) for which I use Ribes > nigrum glycerate. I usually combine it with some Glyc. glabra to > nourish and support the adrenals and for anti inflam properties. > Plantain also for it's cooling properties and anti allergenic > quercetin content. > Ground linseeds on cereal might be better tolerated too for EFA's. > I find Calendula can be heating. I consider Berberis aqua. cooling > for the liver although I find it slow to work. > Hope that is of help. > Zoe Hawes > > Medical Herbalist > MNIMH RGN Dip Phyt. > > www.herbaljournal.co.uk > > 7 Carlingcott, > Peasedown St , > Bath. > BA2 8AR > 01761 439 920 > > > > > Hi Sue, > > I use Plantago lanceolata as a tea for majority of eczema patients > > - 1 to 3 cups per day. The tincture is not as effective. Another > > great and an underestimated herb is Viola odorata (as tincture, > > about 50 ml/week). I wonder if this lady is a case for digestive > > enzyme supplement, I have never used them myself but it may be > > worth a go. > > Hope it helps > > > > > > Sue Salmon wrote: > > Hello everyone. I've another request for advice. 67year old female > > patient who i've been seeing 7 months. Runs/owns private day > > nursery. Initially presented with diffuse, poorly demarcated, > > erythematous, dry, itchy rash over forearms to elbow flexure and on > > shins. Cracked and sore fingertips. Also occasional itchy dry skin > > on nose and periorbital. Onset of weeping, pruritic rash, in crease > > of buttocks, when started on Thyroxine the previous year. she had > > never had skin rashes before. The initial rash (in buttock crease) > > had resolved but other areas of skin had become involved. > > Exacerbated by stress. Family history - mother had psoriasis when > > elderly. MH of note Cholecystectomy 15 years ago and consequently > > has great difficulty digesting anything fatty (fish, Omega 3 > > supplements, nuts and seeds, excess dairy, all cause nausea > > (sometimes with vomiting), abdominal pain and loose stool). > > Underactive thyroid Dx 1 year ago - all skin problems started since > > that time. > > Although energy and mental alertness improved since taking 50mcg > > thyroxine, still feels more sluggish and mentally duller than she > > used to be. Her diet was ok, not enough fresh fruit and veg, or > > enough water - she's improved this over the months. > > After a couple of months tx her energy levels improved, skin rash > > diminished and less pruritic. Recurrent indigestion and loose stool > > now rarely occuring. she had managed to take a maximum of 2 Hemp > > seed caps daily, more than this causes nausea and loose stool. I > > really feel she's not digesting her food properly although there is > > improvement. Her tongue is less red and swollen looking than at her > > first appt. She tends to be a hot person. BP 158/92 > > In last three months the skin problems have changed and gone > > downhill again. Intensely pruritic palms and sides of hands with > > small pustules on an erythematous base, these then become brown/red > > flat blister-looking lesions. The diffuse, pruritic, erythematous > > areas have returned on forearms and are also appearing across > > shoulders. Lesions on lower legs, slightly worsened, but not as at > > first appt. I'm really not making much impression on this lady's > > hands and the problem seems to be spreading. The most helpful thing > > is topical application of Chickweed cream which stops the > > itching.Scabies was on my list of poss Diff Diagnosis especially as > > she works with children, but I can't see any burrows and it really > > doesn't look characteristic of this infestation. I've given > > assorted skin (incl Smilax, Galium, Urtica, Viola, Rehmania) and > > digestive herbs over the months. Her current Rx is > > Centella asiatica > > Filipendula > > Calendula > > Trifolium > > Carduus. > > > > I'm planning to use Berberis aq and Althaea rad in her next Rx, but > > any other advice/suggestions would be much appreciated. > > Sue Salmon > > Huddersfield > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Hi Marcia, this is very interesting, cause I used to use burdock in large amounts for eczema as a tea(combined with Rumex and Trifolium) for my son's eczema when I was a first year student - the result was short of miraculous, his eczema disappeared within 4 days and did not come back for a few years. Meantime, whilst training I have met with repeated warnings from various tutors that burdock would make things worse and I think I lost my confidence in using it. I wonder whether this is another case of herbal mythology? Marcia Dixon wrote: Hi Sue, In the past for my own bouts of eczema, I have used two herbs in particular. Arctium and Berberis aquifolium. As a teen, one particular occasion where I broke out all over my body including palms of hands and inside my ears, I just drank straight burdock decoction and honey, 4-6 cups a day (with nothing else to eat as I felt I was reacting to everything). I used straight burdock because it was all I knew to use at the time. I used this treatment whenever the exzema started to come back. The berberis aq, as a Tr, works very quickly for me, taking away the itch (withing a couple of days) and then clearing the rash, so it has been a mainstay over the years when my eczema starts to act up. Topically if things get really itchy, I use chickweed cream, and this tends to take some of the inflammation along with the itch.....even if it is the only thing I use. Marcia > > Sue Salmon wrote: > Hello everyone. I've another request for advice. 67year old female > patient who i've been seeing 7 months. Runs/owns private day > nursery. Initially presented with diffuse, poorly demarcated, > erythematous, dry, itchy rash over forearms to elbow flexure and on > shins. Cracked and sore fingertips. Also occasional itchy dry skin > on nose and periorbital. Onset of weeping, pruritic rash, in crease > of buttocks, when started on Thyroxine the previous year. she had > never had skin rashes before. The initial rash (in buttock crease) > had resolved but other areas of skin had become involved. > Exacerbated by stress. Family history - mother had psoriasis when > elderly. MH of note Cholecystectomy 15 years ago and consequently > has great difficulty digesting anything fatty (fish, Omega 3 > supplements, nuts and seeds, excess dairy, all cause nausea > (sometimes with vomiting), abdominal pain and loose stool). > Underactive thyroid Dx 1 year ago - all skin problems started since > that time. > Although energy and mental alertness improved since taking 50mcg > thyroxine, still feels more sluggish and mentally duller than she > used to be. Her diet was ok, not enough fresh fruit and veg, or > enough water - she's improved this over the months. > After a couple of months tx her energy levels improved, skin rash > diminished and less pruritic. Recurrent indigestion and loose stool > now rarely occuring. she had managed to take a maximum of 2 Hemp > seed caps daily, more than this causes nausea and loose stool. I > really feel she's not digesting her food properly although there is > improvement. Her tongue is less red and swollen looking than at her > first appt. She tends to be a hot person. BP 158/92 > In last three months the skin problems have changed and gone > downhill again. Intensely pruritic palms and sides of hands with > small pustules on an erythematous base, these then become brown/red > flat blister-looking lesions. The diffuse, pruritic, erythematous > areas have returned on forearms and are also appearing across > shoulders. Lesions on lower legs, slightly worsened, but not as at > first appt. I'm really not making much impression on this lady's > hands and the problem seems to be spreading. The most helpful thing > is topical application of Chickweed cream which stops the > itching.Scabies was on my list of poss Diff Diagnosis especially as > she works with children, but I can't see any burrows and it really > doesn't look characteristic of this infestation. I've given > assorted skin (incl Smilax, Galium, Urtica, Viola, Rehmania) and > digestive herbs over the months. Her current Rx is > Centella asiatica > Filipendula > Calendula > Trifolium > Carduus. > > I'm planning to use Berberis aq and Althaea rad in her next Rx, but > any other advice/suggestions would be much appreciated. > Sue Salmon > Huddersfield __________________________________________________________ Get cool Messenger Emoticons! Click here to learn more. http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Hi , I too have heard these warnings thought not experienced them myself......perhaps some of the other practitioners on the list can share some of their worsening due to burdock stories? Would be helpfull in confirming or refuting this belief. I wonder if there is a difference between the tea and the tr. Marcia Hi Marcia, this is very interesting, cause I used to use burdock in large amounts for eczema as a tea(combined with Rumex and Trifolium) for my son's eczema when I was a first year student - the result was short of miraculous, his eczema disappeared within 4 days and did not come back for a few years. Meantime, whilst training I have met with repeated warnings from various tutors that burdock would make things worse and I think I lost my confidence in using it. I wonder whether this is another case of herbal mythology? _________________________________________________________________ Be seen when you can't be heard! Discover how today! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Burdock wuold make things worse if you use too much - it is very detoxifying! I always warn eczema pts that if their sx get worse we need to back off the dose a little, slow things down. --- Marcia Dixon wrote: > > > Hi , > > I too have heard these warnings thought not > experienced them myself......perhaps some of the > other practitioners on the list can share some of > their worsening due to burdock stories? Would be > helpfull in confirming or refuting this belief. I > wonder if there is a difference between the tea and > the tr. > > Marcia > > > Hi Marcia, > this is very interesting, cause I used to use > burdock in large amounts for eczema as a > tea(combined with Rumex and Trifolium) for my son's > eczema when I was a first year student - the result > was short of miraculous, his eczema disappeared > within 4 days and did not come back for a few years. > Meantime, whilst training I have met with repeated > warnings from various tutors that burdock would make > things worse and I think I lost my confidence in > using it. I wonder whether this is another case of > herbal mythology? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be seen when you can't be heard! Discover how today! > http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Have you actually seen this happen ? On what dosage? Sally O > Burdock wuold make things worse if you use too much - > it is very detoxifying! I always warn eczema pts that > if their sx get worse we need to back off the dose a > little, slow things down. > > --- Marcia Dixon wrote: > > > > > > > Hi , > > > > I too have heard these warnings thought not > > experienced them myself......perhaps some of the > > other practitioners on the list can share some of > > their worsening due to burdock stories? Would be > > helpfull in confirming or refuting this belief. I > > wonder if there is a difference between the tea and > > the tr. > > > > Marcia > > > > > > Hi Marcia, > > this is very interesting, cause I used to use > > burdock in large amounts for eczema as a > > tea(combined with Rumex and Trifolium) for my son's > > eczema when I was a first year student - the result > > was short of miraculous, his eczema disappeared > > within 4 days and did not come back for a few years. > > Meantime, whilst training I have met with repeated > > warnings from various tutors that burdock would make > > things worse and I think I lost my confidence in > > using it. I wonder whether this is another case of > > herbal mythology? > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Be seen when you can't be heard! Discover how today! > > http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I too have found that Arctium can make eczema pts much worse and have been extremely cautious with it particularly since one patient I had last year! There really wasn't anything else in the mix which I thought could have provoked such a worsening of this pts eczema -there wasn't an opportunity to try another mix as she was so frightened by the flare that she decided to go back to the orthodox tx. Regards Sue Huddersfield RE: worsening eczema Burdock wuold make things worse if you use too much - it is very detoxifying! I always warn eczema pts that if their sx get worse we need to back off the dose a little, slow things down. --- Marcia Dixon wrote: > > > Hi , > > I too have heard these warnings thought not > experienced them myself......perhaps some of the > other practitioners on the list can share some of > their worsening due to burdock stories? Would be > helpfull in confirming or refuting this belief. I > wonder if there is a difference between the tea and > the tr. > > Marcia > > > Hi Marcia, > this is very interesting, cause I used to use > burdock in large amounts for eczema as a > tea(combined with Rumex and Trifolium) for my son's > eczema when I was a first year student - the result > was short of miraculous, his eczema disappeared > within 4 days and did not come back for a few years. > Meantime, whilst training I have met with repeated > warnings from various tutors that burdock would make > things worse and I think I lost my confidence in > using it. I wonder whether this is another case of > herbal mythology? > > __________________________________________________________ > Be seen when you can't be heard! Discover how today! > http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Perhaps in the cases of the worsening condition, the toxins were pulled out of the tissues, but then wasn't supported by herbs to promote their removal from the body. I do recall that if we give Arctium to patients, that we need to facilitate the other waste removal systems to ensure that the toxins have somewhere to go once out of the tissues. So, making sure the gut, kidneys, lymph, and lungs are clear and functioning properly for waste removal (since the skin is compromised). I do remember hearing in the program that in toxin-loaded patients, it can release lots of toxins into the bloodstream that the body may not be able to process all at once. Then again, I subscribe to the theory that some herbs do need hefty doses to really make a difference. Bottom line: I would consider the total health of the individual and the status of their other waste removal systems in deciding how much tissue cleansing they can handle --if they have lots of other pre-existing concerns or lifestyle-dependent issues, maybe a slower introduction of Arctium would be prudent (??). I tend to always give support to the various organ systems when using Arctium, so I've never experienced a flare-up... but then I haven't had such an extreme case of eczema come along, either.... xxTami NJ USA RE: worsening eczema Burdock wuold make things worse if you use too much - it is very detoxifying! I always warn eczema pts that if their sx get worse we need to back off the dose a little, slow things down. --- Marcia Dixon wrote: > > > Hi , > > I too have heard these warnings thought not > experienced them myself......perhaps some of the > other practitioners on the list can share some of > their worsening due to burdock stories? Would be > helpfull in confirming or refuting this belief. I > wonder if there is a difference between the tea and > the tr. > > Marcia > > > Hi Marcia, > this is very interesting, cause I used to use > burdock in large amounts for eczema as a > tea(combined with Rumex and Trifolium) for my son's > eczema when I was a first year student - the result > was short of miraculous, his eczema disappeared > within 4 days and did not come back for a few years. > Meantime, whilst training I have met with repeated > warnings from various tutors that burdock would make > things worse and I think I lost my confidence in > using it. I wonder whether this is another case of > herbal mythology? > > __________________________________________________________ > Be seen when you can't be heard! Discover how today! > http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Hi All, It is really great to see peoples responses, If people have time, could you iinclude prescription, and dosage as well as distribution of the eczema, age of pt. This kind of discussion is really usefull....on any topic. Marcia _________________________________________________________________ Get next generation emoticons http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 That is very interesting, I wonder if using burdock is also a case for a constitutional/energetics approach. I vaguely remember Winston recommending Yellow dock only for specific presentations of eczema (following a physiomedicalist approach), burdock could be one of these specific remedies that will help only a secific type of a patient (that really applies to most of the herbs, I know, but perhaps some herbs are more " forgiving " that others?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 No _ I aleays use herbs to assist the body drain and eliminate with the burdock. I also usually remove suspected food allergens and so far that has worked. Burdock at about 5-10% of mix. SUsan Fidler --- Sally Owen wrote: > Have you actually seen this happen ? On what > dosage? > > Sally O > > > > Burdock wuold make things worse if you use too > much - > > it is very detoxifying! I always warn eczema pts > that > > if their sx get worse we need to back off the dose > a > > little, slow things down. > > > > --- Marcia Dixon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi , > > > > > > I too have heard these warnings thought not > > > experienced them myself......perhaps some of the > > > other practitioners on the list can share some > of > > > their worsening due to burdock stories? Would be > > > helpfull in confirming or refuting this belief. > I > > > wonder if there is a difference between the tea > and > > > the tr. > > > > > > Marcia > > > > > > > > > Hi Marcia, > > > this is very interesting, cause I used to use > > > burdock in large amounts for eczema as a > > > tea(combined with Rumex and Trifolium) for my > son's > > > eczema when I was a first year student - the > result > > > was short of miraculous, his eczema disappeared > > > within 4 days and did not come back for a few > years. > > > Meantime, whilst training I have met with > repeated > > > warnings from various tutors that burdock would > make > > > things worse and I think I lost my confidence in > > > using it. I wonder whether this is another case > of > > > herbal mythology? > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Be seen when you can't be heard! Discover how > today! > > > http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/ > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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