Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread. Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so ago, some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had other than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and the SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as one of the known (very rare) triggers of SJS. Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more of ASD kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with adverse reactions to GSH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 , It may be hard to believe it, but sulfurstories has already started its fourth year and has 840 members. I opened this list years ago in order to network people outside autism circles with autism parents dealing with sulfur issues. I had the inkling (which was correct) that adults with sulfur issues may have learned a lot we needed to know. I also wanted to learn if patient experiences would reveal holes that existed in our understanding of the sulfur system and I am delighted that the list has been helpful in that regard. Sulfurstories has become a wonderful place of sharing ideas and experiences with sulfur supplements and has subscribers with lots of conditions including chronic fatigue syndrome. With an archive of close to 8000 messages, we just might have talked about issues that would be of interest and would help someone having issues with glutathione or any other sulfur-related supplement. For the convenience of listmates here, I am putting below the intro to the list from its homepage. I'd be delighted to see some newcomers! I'll try to catch up with this thread and see if I can make a useful contribution. Sulfurstories: Description The role of sulfur in biology has been overlooked through the years, but there are many disease processes where the sulfur chemistry is under particular stress. Dietary supplements which try to meet this need can be wonderful for some and cause surprising adverse reactions in others. Right now, we don't know enough about what may cause this difference in response, but we will get to that understanding faster by sharing our stories. This list is set up as a forum for people who have seen very positive or very negative responses to sulfur supplements of various sorts. Discussions of biomedical diagnostic testing are welcomed and encouraged, and people may also share abstracts from research articles, when relevant. Supplements discussed on this list will include: MSM N-acetylcysteine taurine sulfate (epsom salts, primarily) biotin thiamine SAMe methionine L-cysteine glutathione alpha lipoic acid glucosamine sulfate chondroitin sulfate DMSA or DMPS and things that support sulfur pathways such as: pantothenic acid molybedenum magnesium glutamine B6 (pyridoxine) folic acid Vitamin B12 DMG or TMG (betaine) niacinamide iron Attempts to sell or market products via this list will not be allowed, and listmates involved with sales or manufacture of supplements will need to disclose that connection in the signature line of their posts. Let's keep an atmosphere of positive sharing. Discussions that make the atmosphere different from positive must be taken off the list. Please indicate a diagnosis (if relevant)in your signature line, but that is not required. At 06:55 AM 3/1/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread. > > Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so ago, >some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had other >than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in >sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and the >SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as one of >the known (very rare) triggers of SJS. > >Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more of ASD >kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with >adverse reactions to GSH. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 , It may be hard to believe it, but sulfurstories has already started its fourth year and has 840 members. I opened this list years ago in order to network people outside autism circles with autism parents dealing with sulfur issues. I had the inkling (which was correct) that adults with sulfur issues may have learned a lot we needed to know. I also wanted to learn if patient experiences would reveal holes that existed in our understanding of the sulfur system and I am delighted that the list has been helpful in that regard. Sulfurstories has become a wonderful place of sharing ideas and experiences with sulfur supplements and has subscribers with lots of conditions including chronic fatigue syndrome. With an archive of close to 8000 messages, we just might have talked about issues that would be of interest and would help someone having issues with glutathione or any other sulfur-related supplement. For the convenience of listmates here, I am putting below the intro to the list from its homepage. I'd be delighted to see some newcomers! I'll try to catch up with this thread and see if I can make a useful contribution. Sulfurstories: Description The role of sulfur in biology has been overlooked through the years, but there are many disease processes where the sulfur chemistry is under particular stress. Dietary supplements which try to meet this need can be wonderful for some and cause surprising adverse reactions in others. Right now, we don't know enough about what may cause this difference in response, but we will get to that understanding faster by sharing our stories. This list is set up as a forum for people who have seen very positive or very negative responses to sulfur supplements of various sorts. Discussions of biomedical diagnostic testing are welcomed and encouraged, and people may also share abstracts from research articles, when relevant. Supplements discussed on this list will include: MSM N-acetylcysteine taurine sulfate (epsom salts, primarily) biotin thiamine SAMe methionine L-cysteine glutathione alpha lipoic acid glucosamine sulfate chondroitin sulfate DMSA or DMPS and things that support sulfur pathways such as: pantothenic acid molybedenum magnesium glutamine B6 (pyridoxine) folic acid Vitamin B12 DMG or TMG (betaine) niacinamide iron Attempts to sell or market products via this list will not be allowed, and listmates involved with sales or manufacture of supplements will need to disclose that connection in the signature line of their posts. Let's keep an atmosphere of positive sharing. Discussions that make the atmosphere different from positive must be taken off the list. Please indicate a diagnosis (if relevant)in your signature line, but that is not required. At 06:55 AM 3/1/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread. > > Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so ago, >some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had other >than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in >sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and the >SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as one of >the known (very rare) triggers of SJS. > >Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more of ASD >kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with >adverse reactions to GSH. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 , I can chime in with our little story. Seems like most everyone does well on GSH, but our son had a hard time with it and many other sulfur supps as well as sulfa meds. We didn't put this together for a long time, but a picture emerged showing sulfur was a real issue, including sulfur type foods (garlic, cauliflower, etc.). Dr McCandless and knew this was a unique case and referred me to Dr Pangborn. He was the key to helping us nail this down. I have heard very very few reports of this kind of sensitivity, but in our case it was real. We stopped all of the sulfur stuff and things got better. Then we actually added in DMPS, 1 drop at a time and worked our way to half dose and he was able to tolerate things well. We still watch this closely, but as I indicated I do think it is a very small subset of kids since most seem to do well on all the sulfur stuff. I think the original post was whether to try GSH and it is certainly worth trying. You can always back off if it is not tolerated. L Re: Glutathione - any contraindications - Leon - Owens Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread. Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so ago, some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had other than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and the SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as one of the known (very rare) triggers of SJS. Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more of ASD kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with adverse reactions to GSH. Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Thanks for that info . We have had problems with GSH, but didn't know where to go about it. We recently added taurine with spectacular results and found out that we may be making more B6 available for sulfate now and needed to find out if that is so and what to do next. Somehow, I think the universal consciousness is making the info we need available when we need it... Thanks so much for your efforts in bringing info sources to us. V > > Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread. > > Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so ago, > some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had other > than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in > sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and the > SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as one of > the known (very rare) triggers of SJS. > > Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more of ASD > kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with > adverse reactions to GSH. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 and others, On the sulfur issue, my son seems to flare up his eczema when taking an epsom salt bath...could this be sulfur sensitivity possibly? Kristie mommy to Aidan 2.8 > > , > > I can chime in with our little story. Seems like most everyone does well on > GSH, but our son had a hard time with it and many other sulfur supps as well > as sulfa meds. We didn't put this together for a long time, but a picture > emerged showing sulfur was a real issue, including sulfur type foods > (garlic, cauliflower, etc.). Dr McCandless and knew this was a unique > case and referred me to Dr Pangborn. He was the key to helping us nail this > down. I have heard very very few reports of this kind of sensitivity, but in > our case it was real. We stopped all of the sulfur stuff and things got > better. Then we actually added in DMPS, 1 drop at a time and worked our way > to half dose and he was able to tolerate things well. > > We still watch this closely, but as I indicated I do think it is a very > small subset of kids since most seem to do well on all the sulfur stuff. I > think the original post was whether to try GSH and it is certainly worth > trying. You can always back off if it is not tolerated. > > L > > Re: Glutathione - any contraindications - Leon > - Owens > > > Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread. > > Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so ago, > some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had other > than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in > sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and the > SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as one of > the known (very rare) triggers of SJS. > > Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more of ASD > kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with > adverse reactions to GSH. > > > > > > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at > <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Yes, it's magnesium sulfate. Liz > > Reply-To: csb-autism-rx > Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:22:53 -0000 > To: csb-autism-rx > Subject: Re: Glutathione - any contraindications - Leon - > Owens > > and others, > On the sulfur issue, my son seems to flare up his eczema when taking > an epsom salt bath...could this be sulfur sensitivity possibly? > Kristie > mommy to Aidan 2.8 > > >> >> , >> >> I can chime in with our little story. Seems like most everyone > does well on >> GSH, but our son had a hard time with it and many other sulfur > supps as well >> as sulfa meds. We didn't put this together for a long time, but a > picture >> emerged showing sulfur was a real issue, including sulfur type > foods >> (garlic, cauliflower, etc.). Dr McCandless and knew this > was a unique >> case and referred me to Dr Pangborn. He was the key to helping us > nail this >> down. I have heard very very few reports of this kind of > sensitivity, but in >> our case it was real. We stopped all of the sulfur stuff and > things got >> better. Then we actually added in DMPS, 1 drop at a time and > worked our way >> to half dose and he was able to tolerate things well. >> >> We still watch this closely, but as I indicated I do think it is a > very >> small subset of kids since most seem to do well on all the sulfur > stuff. I >> think the original post was whether to try GSH and it is certainly > worth >> trying. You can always back off if it is not tolerated. >> >> L >> >> Re: Glutathione - any contraindications - > Leon >> - Owens >> >> >> Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread. >> >> Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so > ago, >> some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had > other >> than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in >> sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and > the >> SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as > one of >> the known (very rare) triggers of SJS. >> >> Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more > of ASD >> kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with >> adverse reactions to GSH. >> >> >> >> >> >> Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at >> <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Kristie, Yes it is possible. Our son did the same thing and epsom salt baths turned out to be one of many sulfur " things " that he could not tolerate. When we reduced down to the bare minimum, he was ok and could actually tolerate some things. If this ends up being true for your child, lightening the sulfur load should help. 's food and supp list should help with the trial and error process. L Re: Glutathione - any contraindications - Leon > - Owens > > > Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread. > > Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so ago, > some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had other > than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in > sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and the > SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as one of > the known (very rare) triggers of SJS. > > Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more of ASD > kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with > adverse reactions to GSH. > > > > > > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at > <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Kristie, Nobody has ever identified the sulfate transporters in human skin, but there is a chance that human skin would contain a sulfate/oxalate exchanger, since it has been shown that we do absorb sulfate after an epsom salts bath. It would be interesting to find out if the lesions of eczema contain exaggerated levels of oxalate, but it never seems to have been checked. If there is oxlalate in the skin in some forms of eczema (or in what your son experiences) then possible sulfate going in might trade for oxalate coming out. I don't know if that were happening if the oxalate could be what is inducing the eczema, but I find your story fascinating, and I don't think it is the first time I've heard of epsom salts making eczema flare. At 11:22 PM 3/4/2006 +0000, you wrote: > and others, >On the sulfur issue, my son seems to flare up his eczema when taking >an epsom salt bath...could this be sulfur sensitivity possibly? >Kristie >mommy to Aidan 2.8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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