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Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread.

Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so ago,

some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had other

than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in

sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and the

SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as one of

the known (very rare) triggers of SJS.

Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more of ASD

kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with

adverse reactions to GSH.

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It may be hard to believe it, but sulfurstories has already started its

fourth year and has 840 members. I opened this list years ago in order to

network people outside autism circles with autism parents dealing with

sulfur issues. I had the inkling (which was correct) that adults with

sulfur issues may have learned a lot we needed to know. I also wanted to

learn if patient experiences would reveal holes that existed in our

understanding of the sulfur system and I am delighted that the list has

been helpful in that regard.

Sulfurstories has become a wonderful place of sharing ideas and experiences

with sulfur supplements and has subscribers with lots of conditions

including chronic fatigue syndrome. With an archive of close to 8000

messages, we just might have talked about issues that would be of interest

and would help someone having issues with glutathione or any other

sulfur-related supplement.

For the convenience of listmates here, I am putting below the intro to the

list from its homepage. I'd be delighted to see some newcomers!

I'll try to catch up with this thread and see if I can make a useful

contribution.

Sulfurstories: Description

The role of sulfur in biology has been overlooked through the years, but

there are many disease processes where the sulfur chemistry is under

particular stress. Dietary supplements which try to meet this need can be

wonderful for some and cause surprising adverse reactions in others. Right

now, we don't know enough about what may cause this difference in response,

but we will get to that understanding faster by sharing our stories.

This list is set up as a forum for people who have seen very positive or

very negative responses to sulfur supplements of various sorts. Discussions

of biomedical diagnostic testing are welcomed and encouraged, and people

may also share abstracts from research articles, when relevant.

Supplements discussed on this list will include:

MSM

N-acetylcysteine

taurine

sulfate (epsom salts, primarily)

biotin

thiamine

SAMe

methionine

L-cysteine

glutathione

alpha lipoic acid

glucosamine sulfate

chondroitin sulfate

DMSA or DMPS

and things that support sulfur pathways

such as:

pantothenic acid

molybedenum

magnesium

glutamine

B6 (pyridoxine)

folic acid

Vitamin B12

DMG or TMG (betaine)

niacinamide

iron

Attempts to sell or market products via this list will not be allowed, and

listmates involved with sales or manufacture of supplements will need to

disclose that connection in the signature line of their posts.

Let's keep an atmosphere of positive sharing. Discussions that make the

atmosphere different from positive must be taken off the list. Please

indicate a diagnosis (if relevant)in your signature line, but that is not

required.

At 06:55 AM 3/1/2006 -0700, you wrote:

>Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread.

>

> Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so ago,

>some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had other

>than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in

>sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and the

>SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as one of

>the known (very rare) triggers of SJS.

>

>Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more of ASD

>kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with

>adverse reactions to GSH.

>

>

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,

It may be hard to believe it, but sulfurstories has already started its

fourth year and has 840 members. I opened this list years ago in order to

network people outside autism circles with autism parents dealing with

sulfur issues. I had the inkling (which was correct) that adults with

sulfur issues may have learned a lot we needed to know. I also wanted to

learn if patient experiences would reveal holes that existed in our

understanding of the sulfur system and I am delighted that the list has

been helpful in that regard.

Sulfurstories has become a wonderful place of sharing ideas and experiences

with sulfur supplements and has subscribers with lots of conditions

including chronic fatigue syndrome. With an archive of close to 8000

messages, we just might have talked about issues that would be of interest

and would help someone having issues with glutathione or any other

sulfur-related supplement.

For the convenience of listmates here, I am putting below the intro to the

list from its homepage. I'd be delighted to see some newcomers!

I'll try to catch up with this thread and see if I can make a useful

contribution.

Sulfurstories: Description

The role of sulfur in biology has been overlooked through the years, but

there are many disease processes where the sulfur chemistry is under

particular stress. Dietary supplements which try to meet this need can be

wonderful for some and cause surprising adverse reactions in others. Right

now, we don't know enough about what may cause this difference in response,

but we will get to that understanding faster by sharing our stories.

This list is set up as a forum for people who have seen very positive or

very negative responses to sulfur supplements of various sorts. Discussions

of biomedical diagnostic testing are welcomed and encouraged, and people

may also share abstracts from research articles, when relevant.

Supplements discussed on this list will include:

MSM

N-acetylcysteine

taurine

sulfate (epsom salts, primarily)

biotin

thiamine

SAMe

methionine

L-cysteine

glutathione

alpha lipoic acid

glucosamine sulfate

chondroitin sulfate

DMSA or DMPS

and things that support sulfur pathways

such as:

pantothenic acid

molybedenum

magnesium

glutamine

B6 (pyridoxine)

folic acid

Vitamin B12

DMG or TMG (betaine)

niacinamide

iron

Attempts to sell or market products via this list will not be allowed, and

listmates involved with sales or manufacture of supplements will need to

disclose that connection in the signature line of their posts.

Let's keep an atmosphere of positive sharing. Discussions that make the

atmosphere different from positive must be taken off the list. Please

indicate a diagnosis (if relevant)in your signature line, but that is not

required.

At 06:55 AM 3/1/2006 -0700, you wrote:

>Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread.

>

> Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so ago,

>some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had other

>than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in

>sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and the

>SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as one of

>the known (very rare) triggers of SJS.

>

>Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more of ASD

>kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with

>adverse reactions to GSH.

>

>

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,

I can chime in with our little story. Seems like most everyone does well on

GSH, but our son had a hard time with it and many other sulfur supps as well

as sulfa meds. We didn't put this together for a long time, but a picture

emerged showing sulfur was a real issue, including sulfur type foods

(garlic, cauliflower, etc.). Dr McCandless and knew this was a unique

case and referred me to Dr Pangborn. He was the key to helping us nail this

down. I have heard very very few reports of this kind of sensitivity, but in

our case it was real. We stopped all of the sulfur stuff and things got

better. Then we actually added in DMPS, 1 drop at a time and worked our way

to half dose and he was able to tolerate things well.

We still watch this closely, but as I indicated I do think it is a very

small subset of kids since most seem to do well on all the sulfur stuff. I

think the original post was whether to try GSH and it is certainly worth

trying. You can always back off if it is not tolerated.

L

Re: Glutathione - any contraindications - Leon

- Owens

Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread.

Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so ago,

some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had other

than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in

sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and the

SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as one of

the known (very rare) triggers of SJS.

Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more of ASD

kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with

adverse reactions to GSH.

Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at

<http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

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Thanks for that info . We have had problems with GSH, but

didn't know where to go about it. We recently added taurine with

spectacular results and found out that we may be making more B6

available for sulfate now and needed to find out if that is so and

what to do next.

Somehow, I think the universal consciousness is making the info we

need available when we need it...

Thanks so much for your efforts in bringing info sources to us.

V

>

> Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread.

>

> Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so

ago,

> some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had

other

> than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in

> sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and

the

> SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as

one of

> the known (very rare) triggers of SJS.

>

> Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more

of ASD

> kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with

> adverse reactions to GSH.

>

>

>

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and others,

On the sulfur issue, my son seems to flare up his eczema when taking

an epsom salt bath...could this be sulfur sensitivity possibly?

Kristie

mommy to Aidan 2.8

>

> ,

>

> I can chime in with our little story. Seems like most everyone

does well on

> GSH, but our son had a hard time with it and many other sulfur

supps as well

> as sulfa meds. We didn't put this together for a long time, but a

picture

> emerged showing sulfur was a real issue, including sulfur type

foods

> (garlic, cauliflower, etc.). Dr McCandless and knew this

was a unique

> case and referred me to Dr Pangborn. He was the key to helping us

nail this

> down. I have heard very very few reports of this kind of

sensitivity, but in

> our case it was real. We stopped all of the sulfur stuff and

things got

> better. Then we actually added in DMPS, 1 drop at a time and

worked our way

> to half dose and he was able to tolerate things well.

>

> We still watch this closely, but as I indicated I do think it is a

very

> small subset of kids since most seem to do well on all the sulfur

stuff. I

> think the original post was whether to try GSH and it is certainly

worth

> trying. You can always back off if it is not tolerated.

>

> L

>

> Re: Glutathione - any contraindications -

Leon

> - Owens

>

>

> Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread.

>

> Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so

ago,

> some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had

other

> than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in

> sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and

the

> SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as

one of

> the known (very rare) triggers of SJS.

>

> Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more

of ASD

> kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with

> adverse reactions to GSH.

>

>

>

>

>

> Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at

> <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Yes, it's magnesium sulfate.

Liz

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> Reply-To: csb-autism-rx

> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:22:53 -0000

> To: csb-autism-rx

> Subject: Re: Glutathione - any contraindications - Leon -

> Owens

>

> and others,

> On the sulfur issue, my son seems to flare up his eczema when taking

> an epsom salt bath...could this be sulfur sensitivity possibly?

> Kristie

> mommy to Aidan 2.8

>

>

>>

>> ,

>>

>> I can chime in with our little story. Seems like most everyone

> does well on

>> GSH, but our son had a hard time with it and many other sulfur

> supps as well

>> as sulfa meds. We didn't put this together for a long time, but a

> picture

>> emerged showing sulfur was a real issue, including sulfur type

> foods

>> (garlic, cauliflower, etc.). Dr McCandless and knew this

> was a unique

>> case and referred me to Dr Pangborn. He was the key to helping us

> nail this

>> down. I have heard very very few reports of this kind of

> sensitivity, but in

>> our case it was real. We stopped all of the sulfur stuff and

> things got

>> better. Then we actually added in DMPS, 1 drop at a time and

> worked our way

>> to half dose and he was able to tolerate things well.

>>

>> We still watch this closely, but as I indicated I do think it is a

> very

>> small subset of kids since most seem to do well on all the sulfur

> stuff. I

>> think the original post was whether to try GSH and it is certainly

> worth

>> trying. You can always back off if it is not tolerated.

>>

>> L

>>

>> Re: Glutathione - any contraindications -

> Leon

>> - Owens

>>

>>

>> Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread.

>>

>> Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so

> ago,

>> some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had

> other

>> than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in

>> sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and

> the

>> SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as

> one of

>> the known (very rare) triggers of SJS.

>>

>> Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more

> of ASD

>> kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with

>> adverse reactions to GSH.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at

>> <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Kristie,

Yes it is possible. Our son did the same thing and epsom salt baths turned

out to be one of many sulfur " things " that he could not tolerate. When we

reduced down to the bare minimum, he was ok and could actually tolerate some

things. If this ends up being true for your child, lightening the sulfur

load should help. 's food and supp list should help with the trial and

error process.

L

Re: Glutathione - any contraindications -

Leon

> - Owens

>

>

> Perhaps Leon and Owens will contribute to this thread.

>

> Owens has started a sulfurstories group because a year or so

ago,

> some of us began tracking anecdotal reports of asd kids who had

other

> than postive reactions to supplements and/or antibiotics high in

> sulfur. Part of my interest was prompted by a friend with SJS and

the

> SJS literature that includes descriptions about sulfasalazine as

one of

> the known (very rare) triggers of SJS.

>

> Bottom line seems to be that although GSH is safe for 99% or more

of ASD

> kids (speculational percentage), there may be a tiny subgroup with

> adverse reactions to GSH.

>

>

>

>

>

> Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at

> <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Kristie,

Nobody has ever identified the sulfate transporters in human skin, but

there is a chance that human skin would contain a sulfate/oxalate

exchanger, since it has been shown that we do absorb sulfate after an epsom

salts bath. It would be interesting to find out if the lesions of eczema

contain exaggerated levels of oxalate, but it never seems to have been

checked. If there is oxlalate in the skin in some forms of eczema (or in

what your son experiences) then possible sulfate going in might trade for

oxalate coming out. I don't know if that were happening if the oxalate

could be what is inducing the eczema, but I find your story fascinating,

and I don't think it is the first time I've heard of epsom salts making

eczema flare.

At 11:22 PM 3/4/2006 +0000, you wrote:

> and others,

>On the sulfur issue, my son seems to flare up his eczema when taking

>an epsom salt bath...could this be sulfur sensitivity possibly?

>Kristie

>mommy to Aidan 2.8

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