Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Hi Jan I posted about using Lugol's iodine that kills bacteria and also Candida... It is antibacterial and anti fungal, can kill Lyme and the co's and also Candida, all of which if too much is killed at once there may be a herx... Here is a link written by Walter Last... http://www.health-science-spirit.com/candida.html >>>One unpleasant side-effect of most methods used to reduce the pathogenic microbial overgrowth of the intestines is the Herxheimer reaction - a sudden worsening of symptoms due to toxins released by the dead or dying microbes. This is sometimes used as a diagnostic tool, especially for Candida.<<<< Take care, Jim > > I read on one of the posts about iodine causing die off and making it feel like one is herxing. Does it? Is there a site someone can refer me to? I am curious about this, because I was feeling very poorly for a wk or more just recently, and it was at the time I had started iodine. I have tried looking it up, but keep coming up with water treatment. > > jan p > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I personally think its not a good practice to assume that every time a supplement makes us feel rotten its because we are herxing. It might make us feel rotten because our body does not need it or we have an allergy to it, etc., etc. If it is a herx sooner or later you will feel better. If it is negatively affecting your thyroid you will just feel worse and worse. Tamara > > > > I read on one of the posts about iodine causing die off and making it feel like one is herxing. Does it? Is there a site someone can refer me to? I am curious about this, because I was feeling very poorly for a wk or more just recently, and it was at the time I had started iodine. I have tried looking it up, but keep coming up with water treatment. > > > > jan p > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Hi all, Thanks for the info. Tamara, I have read that only Lyme and syphilis die off cause herxing. I know that a reaction can feel just as bad and a cleansing can feel bad (I wouldn't say just as bad unless a herx is mild). What I don't understand is what differentiates a herx reaction from other reactions from die off. Is it that a herx is from the toxins released with die off increasing the toxin load that is already being released by the living Bb and any other die off is just the body trying to deal with said die off and being a bit overwhelmed? I don't even know if I make sense, but I am trying. LOL I can't wrap my head around it. Btw, I do feel better. I think it was just an adjustment of some sort. Would anybody mind me passing this on to a friend? jan > > > I personally think its not a good practice to assume that every time a supplement makes us feel rotten its because we are herxing. It might make us feel rotten because our body does not need it or we have an allergy to it, etc., etc. > > If it is a herx sooner or later you will feel better. If it is negatively affecting your thyroid you will just feel worse and worse. > > Tamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 PS I wanted to pass on this link. I wish my Lyme brain could deal with reading it all at once, because by the time I go back to reading it I forget what I have read previously. I should take notes, but I am too tired. Anyway, if you read it and find some things you think noteworthy maybe you will be kind of enough to post them in this thread. http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine.htmjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Hi Jan P, Lugol's iodine is such an important supplement for our good health, yet today most doctors are clueless as to what it is and what it does... 100 years ago, if you went to a doctor in the US for an ailment, chances are high you would leave with a bottle of Lugol's iodine as it cure so many issues.. At the time, Lugol's made a docs job much easier as it cured many ailments and was used by all doctors... Then along came BIG pharma who convinced doctors their little white pills were better, doctors bought into this and eventually most doctors stopped using Lugol's... Lugol's used to be used in making bread, added to table salt and veggies were grown in iodine rich soils, many eating a healthy diet got enough of this mineral and it contributed to better health... Then Lugol's was replaced by bromide in bread making and this meant a lot less iodine was consumed in diet. Then came the low salt diet in the 70's and this along with iodine depleted soils meant the average person was not getting enough iodine in their diet... Some like me stopped using salt altogether except for what was already in food... As I understand, today many diseases are related to low iodine levels... If we don't eat enough iodized salt, then we most likely are not getting enough iodine... And many today who eat healthy don't use iodized table salt as it is so unhealthy. http://www.healthy.co.nz/ailment/2059-lugols-iodine-solution-for-normal-thyroid-\ function.html http://www.cancersurvival.net/iodine.htm http://iodine4health.com/overviews/audiovisual/flechas_audiovisual.htm http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedetoxsymptomsandstrategies.html Take care, Jim > > PS I wanted to pass on this link. I wish my Lyme brain could deal with > reading it all at once, because by the time I go back to reading it I > forget what I have read previously. [8-|] I should take notes, but > I am too tired. Anyway, if you read it and find some things you think > noteworthy maybe you will be kind of enough to post them in this thread. > [:>] > > http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine.htm > > jan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Jim, Just google iodine and thyroid and you will see that with the thyroid iodine could go either way. It could be the answer to all your problems or push you over the edge. I think that iodine is necessary but you want to be careful that you really are deficient before you supplement. In the case of auto-immune thyroid iodine can be very dangerous and cause further damage to your thyroid gland. Since auto-immune a/k/a Hashimoto's is the number one thyroid condition in our country and especially common with lyme it is something to be careful about. If you have a diagnosed thyroid problem you should get your tsh levels checked often and your antibodies tested. You don't want to stimulate the thyroid glad to work harder because this will just cause your antibodies to attack your gland even further. What you do want to do is support the conversion of t4 to t3 with supplementation, detox and clean living. Don't eat any foods that block the thyroid such as broccoli. I get my meds compounded for me and take extra t3 when necessary. Tamara > > > > PS I wanted to pass on this link. I wish my Lyme brain could deal with > > reading it all at once, because by the time I go back to reading it I > > forget what I have read previously. [8-|] I should take notes, but > > I am too tired. Anyway, if you read it and find some things you think > > noteworthy maybe you will be kind of enough to post them in this thread. > > [:>] > > > > http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine.htm > > > > jan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Thanks for all the links. jan p > > Hi Jan P, > > Lugol's iodine is such an important supplement for our good health, yet today most doctors are clueless as to what it is and what it does... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 PS Dr. Brownstein says in SALT YOUR WAY TO HEALTH, that we can't get enough iodine from table salt. On the link I posted it says sea salt contains iodine, I am not saying that it contains enough or that it does. I really want to read that page, but it's too much for me at this time. ( jan p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Thanks for this info Tamara, I have not done very well with Iodoral and I thought I would try a small dose of Lugols and see how that works, I had just assumed I was low in Iodine, which is true with all of my minerals, so I thought that I needed to supplement. I didn't think about s and Iodine supps. causing more damage. I will proceed cautiously. > > > > > > PS I wanted to pass on this link. I wish my Lyme brain could deal with > > > reading it all at once, because by the time I go back to reading it I > > > forget what I have read previously. [8-|] I should take notes, but > > > I am too tired. Anyway, if you read it and find some things you think > > > noteworthy maybe you will be kind of enough to post them in this thread. > > > [:>] > > > > > > http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine.htm > > > > > > jan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Hi Tamara, I just love it when you give me a challenge like this... :-) This is how we get to share good info with everyone... I am familiar with what others say about taking iodine if the person using it has an autoimmune disease of the thyroid... Dr. Brownstein, MD is one of the most knowledge doctors who treats thyroid disease with Lugol's iodine. He is a doctor's doctor and highly respected in the medical community for treating thyroid conditions... I would highly recommend his book : IODINE - WHY YOU NEED IT https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Iodine.php It is very important to note that iodine, specifically Lugol's is not just important for the thyroid, but for every cell in our body and most importantly all of our organs.. I've read it is believed one can not get cancer if they have sufficient amounts of iodine in the body.. Women with fibrocystic breasts would not have this disease if they had enough iodine in their body and it is also curable by taking higher doses of Lugol's iodine. Folks with low iodine levels are really open to a lot of disease. And this I am reading from his book: .......... " in his study of 24 patients showed that 92% of those with Hashimoto's (hypOthyroid) and Grave's _hypeRthyroid disease had iodine deficiency " ..... .......... " Inorganic, non-radioactive iodine such as Lugol's or Iodoral has been used to treat autoimmune thyroid problems for over 100 years. " ........... .......... " There is a concern that the use of iodine on an autoimmune thyroid patient can exacerbate the symptoms of thyroid toxicosis. Sometimes this claim is made when the TSH test elevates shortly after starting iodine therapy. However, after beginning iodine therapy it is common for the TSh test to elevate. " ...... .......... " My experience has clearly shown that the appropriate use of iodine in treating thyroid disorders, from hypOthyroidism to Graves' and Hashimoto's disease, is not only safe, but effective and inexpensive. This is a holistic way to search for and treat an underlying cause of thyroid problems with a safe and natural agent. But, most importantly, people improve their condition without experiencing any serious adverse effects. " ..... This links talks about Dr. Brownstein and Hashimoto's and iodine. http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1362054 Brownstein_Autoimmune improving with iodine: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_252/ai_n6110597/ >>>Dr. Brownstein describes the use of therapeutic doses of iodine to treat many different disorders such as: thyroid problems (including Graves' and Hashimoto's Disease), autoimmune disorders, cancer (breast, uterine, ovarian and prostate), fatigue, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and cystic breasts. Many more uses of iodine are covered in this book. Dr. Brownstein gives numerous citations and uses case studies to illustrate his points.<<< >>>>Thyroid disorders and iodine deficiency are reviewed in Chapter 6. Dr. Brownstein shows why iodine needs to be evaluated in all patients with a thyroid disorder. He focuses on three major illnesses of the thyroid: hypothyroidism, Graves' and Hashimoto's disease. Not a lot of information has been written about iodine deficiency in relation to Graves' and Hashimoto's disease. Dr. Brownstein first presents his own studies that show that Graves' and Hashimoto's patients are iodine deficient. Next he gives compelling case studies showing these autoimmune patients improving with iodine replacement. The case histories are a must read. This information needs to be read by all who treat or suffer with thyroid problems.<<< There may be some with Hashimoto's and Graves who may have an adverse reaction to using Lugol's, but according to Dr. Brownstein this is seldom. And there is a way to also start with a tiny amount of Lugol's if someone with Hashimoto's or Graves wishes to do so.. Fill a glass with 8 oz of distilled water, add 1 drop of Lugol's, mix and only drink 1 oz of this solution. This equates to 1/8th of a drop of Lugol's... And while there are now two strengths of Lugol's being sold, one should buy the 5% solution sold now only in 1 oz bottles for about $16... http://bloodrootproducts.com/Cancer-lugol's-lugols-Iodine-5-Percent-Solution-P15\ ..html http://www.jcrowsmarketplace.com/1ozlugolssolution5valuepriceincludesshipping.as\ px http://www.jcrowsmarketplace.com/1lugolssolution5folkmedicinebydrjarvisincludess\ andh.aspx Hope this helps clear up some of these thyroid and iodine issues.... Take care, Jim > > > > > > PS I wanted to pass on this link. I wish my Lyme brain could deal with > > > reading it all at once, because by the time I go back to reading it I > > > forget what I have read previously. [8-|] I should take notes, but > > > I am too tired. Anyway, if you read it and find some things you think > > > noteworthy maybe you will be kind of enough to post them in this thread. > > > [:>] > > > > > > http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine.htm > > > > > > jan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Hi Jan P, Sea salts do have tiny amounts of iodine, it will not fulfill you daily needs... There is also iodine in some foods and this may be fine for someone who does not have an iodine deficiency, but for many supplementation is needed. Some use kelp to get their iodine, but on my thyroid support group the moderators say not to take kelp as it has too much arsenic. Take care, Jim > > PS Dr. Brownstein says in SALT YOUR WAY TO HEALTH, that we can't get enough iodine from table salt. On the link I posted it says sea salt contains iodine, I am not saying that it contains enough or that it does. I really want to read that page, but it's too much for me at this time. ( > > jan p > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 I just got home from my appt. with my LLMD. I asked her what she thought about me taking iodine, she said not to, because it could mess up my thyroid further. I didn't ask why as there was too much going on at my appt. and I was only supposed to be there for my injections. I'll just take her at her word. I am not saying anybody else should avoid it, I just wanted to share this with you. jan p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Hi Jim, I am not familiar with Dr. Brownstein but I would be willing to read his book. Is there a test you can take to see where your iodine is or would it be beneficial. I think with everything I have read too little or too much can do equal damage when you have auto-immune thyroid. I usually would be willing to lab rat for the cause but I have very little actual thyroid left and after having one thyroid attack I don't think I could live through another. I do not believe everything I read in mainstream and that is why I don't really listen too much to my endo but a point has been made over and over. If iodine is the key to thyroid health then why is thyroid disease so prevalent in Japan? There might be a simple explanation but I don't know it. Tamara > > > > > > > > PS I wanted to pass on this link. I wish my Lyme brain could deal with > > > > reading it all at once, because by the time I go back to reading it I > > > > forget what I have read previously. [8-|] I should take notes, but > > > > I am too tired. Anyway, if you read it and find some things you think > > > > noteworthy maybe you will be kind of enough to post them in this thread. > > > > [:>] > > > > > > > > http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine.htm > > > > > > > > jan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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