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If you look at this link on s website there is a chart at the

bottom.http://www.lymebook.com/top10forms In the very last column of the chart,

it says that rife is the only thing that will kill Lyme without encysting it. I

don't know if this chart was made before MMS or if he was refering to salt/c. I

guess the bottom line is there is a lot of research left to do and most of the

evidence is anecdotal. I just know that if you have a big case of Lyme as I did

when my CD 57 score was a 3, nothing will resolve symptoms in 6 months without

spiros going into cysts. I might point out that the Townsend letter also has

had several particles promoting Samento and Vitamin D restriction with Lyme

disease. My friend who is doing Samento, can't stop taking it either as the

symptoms reoccur. I believe supplementation of vitamin D is necessary when you

live in northern climates like Alaska as it has so many anti-Cancer benefits.

I have a subscription to Townsend letter and have had for several years and find

many good articles, but have also found some articles that I did not agree with.

A lot of articles in Townsend letter are also based on opinion or anecdotal

research so you have to be discerning as a reader and not just accept everything

at face value. My belief is that if you have a good rife machine, that causes

a huge herx such as the coil, why would you want to do any antimicrobial stuff

as the herx would be unbearable. Unless you want to there is potential to

lessen the herx so that it is more tolerable, but then again then you have to

treat a lot longer to totally eradicate it. I am tired of coiling and herxing

and killing stuff and want to get to a place where I can have a life back free

of killing bacterias and viruses.

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> > > Some random thoughts....The way I look at it is we don't have to fully

understand how a treatment works to benefit from it. I don't have a clue how my

computer works...but yet I have learned that pressing specific keys produces

predictable results. Likewise, I know that electric fields aren't supposed to

be able to penetrate our bodies well and so the DP100 shouldn't really work very

well. But some people are reporting good results! I've still got a million

questions about the machine, and have been pretty critical in the past, but it

still interests me and if I had the money I think i'd own one.

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> > > One of my theories has been that the DP100 works in a bioresonance sort

of fashion by providing the body with frequencies it might be deficient in, thus

helping it function better. If our energy body can be finely tuned by a machine

such as this then there would be no room for a harmful infections to exist in

them and they would die. I really have no idea though.

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> > > I think sometimes we need to remind ourselves to stay as objective and

loyal as we can to what is bringing about good results, regardless of what it

might be. There is comfort in feeling like we know something, but if what we

think we know is incorrect then we only hurt ourselves.

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I suspect Teasel acts in the same way that any of the antimicrobial herbs do,

but who knows, Lady Barbara claims she cured Lyme using it, but I wonder if she

isn't still taking it and if she has tried to stop and what happens if she does

stop. She is a good resource on Teasel, so she would be the one to ask.

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> *What about Teasel? Encysts or not?

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> (I'm loving the stuff, no herx at all. My body wants to drink bottles of it

> - though I'm not. It just makes me wonder if instinctively my body wants it

> to encyst the spiros and feel better.???)

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I don't herx from Teasel either. I just thought that meant it didn't work on

me. It doesn't make be feel better either. No effect.

Do you feel better with it?

Tamara

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> *What about Teasel? Encysts or not?

>

> (I'm loving the stuff, no herx at all. My body wants to drink bottles of it

> - though I'm not. It just makes me wonder if instinctively my body wants it

> to encyst the spiros and feel better.???)

>

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Hi ,

I am not sure when built this chart, MMS was not well known in the Lyme

community until mid to late 2008.

Marc has made it clear salt/C does no cause encysting as it is a natural

substance that is already in the body, the protocol just raises the levels. He

also references salt/C will disrupt cysts and also L forms. MMS (chlorine

dioxide) is also found naturally in the body... These are not foreign

substances, so I don't see how the spiros would encyst because of either

protocol as the sprios share their environment with these substances that are

already in our body...

Perhaps was referencing this to other protocols discussed in the book...

I agree, until specific research is done on Bb incysting, much info is going to

be anecdotal.. With the IDSA claiming there is no chronic Lyme and a government

that shows little interest, I would not hold my breath very long hoping there

will be much research into this anytime soon.

I pray you get to your place soon... :-)

Take care,

Jim

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> > > > Some random thoughts....The way I look at it is we don't have to fully

understand how a treatment works to benefit from it. I don't have a clue how my

computer works...but yet I have learned that pressing specific keys produces

predictable results. Likewise, I know that electric fields aren't supposed to

be able to penetrate our bodies well and so the DP100 shouldn't really work very

well. But some people are reporting good results! I've still got a million

questions about the machine, and have been pretty critical in the past, but it

still interests me and if I had the money I think i'd own one.

> > > >

> > > > One of my theories has been that the DP100 works in a bioresonance sort

of fashion by providing the body with frequencies it might be deficient in, thus

helping it function better. If our energy body can be finely tuned by a machine

such as this then there would be no room for a harmful infections to exist in

them and they would die. I really have no idea though.

> > > >

> > > > I think sometimes we need to remind ourselves to stay as objective and

loyal as we can to what is bringing about good results, regardless of what it

might be. There is comfort in feeling like we know something, but if what we

think we know is incorrect then we only hurt ourselves.

> > > >

> > > > Thane

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Hi ,

My personal belief and it is a strong one, it does not... I don't believe

teasel is a killer, but somehow it does

have a negative affect on the spiro's... Here is a post from another group that

sounds

interesting to me.. This was actually posted from Jenna's Lyme Blog, a good Lyme

friend

who has good Lyme info.

How do you like Teasel? Where are you getting yours? I am thinking of adding

to my journey... I've heard too many good things... I have not heard anything

negative about it...

http://www.idigmygarden.com/forums/showthread.php?p=444100

>>>The Power Of Teasle For Chronic Lyme Disease

As we search for effective treatment and alternative protocols teasel can be

very effective against chronic Lyme disease and other auto-immune disorders.

Dr. Burrascano, Buhner and other experienced LLDs recommend teasel and

Dr. in the not-to-be-missed article " Lyme Disease: A Plague of

Ignorance " .

Teasel drives the spirochetes from the joints into the blood stream. That is why

it is very effective to take while taking antibiotics. The teasel pushes the

bacteria out of their hiding place and the antibiotic or other alternative

bacteria killers can do their job.

So, teasel may help stop the spirochetes from evading the immune system.

Even when taken alone with out the assistance of antibiotics it can cause a

significant herx, which indicates die-off.

Teasel is to be taken long term in low doses for total saturation. Spirochete's

can go dormant for long periods of time and then become active again. By slowly

saturating the body with teasel it stays in the system to kill the Lyme when it

becomes active.

Teasel is also known to help with joint problems, tight ligaments, and cramping.

It has been very helpful for folks dealing with Lyme. FM, MS, all chronic

problems involving joint and muscle pain.

There are reports that teasel works well with blue vervaine and wild bergamont.

You can take them all at the same time under the tongue.

Suggested dosage:

If you are a sensitive individual you will want to start out slowly when taking

teasel.

Long term 8-14 months.

3-5 drops under tongue 3 times per day. If you are overweight it will be

necessary to take the 5 drops 3 times daily to saturate your system.

If you herx or are sensitive when taking new things start slowly. 1 drop 3 times

per day and work up to full dose.

Children under 50 lbs. 1 drop under tongue 3 times per day.+

Keep in mind that Lyme bacteria produce neuro-toxins when they die that will

cause flare-ups of many current symptoms, cause new symptoms and make you feel

terrible (see Herxheimer Reaction.)

For more information read Wood's book, " The Book Of Herbal Wisdom: Using

Plants as Medicines " , about using Teasel Root tincture for Lyme Disease.

The best way to buy teasel is at 1st Chinese Herbs. Download the free ebook for

more information about using herbs to help us with some of our Lyme symptoms.

Jenna's Lyme Blog<<<<

Take care,

Jim

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> *What about Teasel? Encysts or not?

>

> (I'm loving the stuff, no herx at all. My body wants to drink bottles of it

> - though I'm not. It just makes me wonder if instinctively my body wants it

> to encyst the spiros and feel better.???)

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Hi ,

I think if you crave teasel you should listed to your body and take it. I did

have an adrenal crash about a year ago and I had really severe kidney pain but I

never linked the two. I try really hard to keep my cortef on the low side

because I do think my body gets a little addicted to it.

I tool teasel about a year ago when my germ load was pretty high and noticed

nothing. I ordered a fresh bottle from Lady B last month and noticed nothing as

well. In healing lyme

Buhner says that he believes Teasel does not work on ever strain of lyme and he

found it less effective on the east coast. Perhaps my strain of lyme is not

effected and truly I think my co-infections far outweighed my lyme infection and

I don't know what effect it had on them. He did say that it was effective for

joint pain and I didn't notice any change in that either. I just cant help but

question my reaction when it seems that every lymie does so well on teasel.

I rife with the GB4000 and I know I reduced my load tremendously. I also

really found the GSE helped in more ways than one as I think it also reduced my

yeast. After the initial discomfort of opening the cysts and herxing I just

felt better and better with it. I don't even mind the taste anymore. I don't

think either teasel or GSE causes encysting.

Tamara

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> > > *What about Teasel? Encysts or not?

> >

> > >

> > > (I'm loving the stuff, no herx at all. My body wants to drink bottles of

> > it

> > > - though I'm not. It just makes me wonder if instinctively my body wants

> > it

> > > to encyst the spiros and feel better.???)

> > >

> > > *

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Connie

As a young child I was diagnoses as an epileptic and had Petite Mal seizures

- by the time I was 16 I was havning full blown convulsions. Five years ago I

found out that all epileptics are magnesium deficient and that seiurues are a

symptom of magnesium deficiency. I had to take anti-convulsants or antiseizure

medication for 49 years. I started using transdermal magnesium chloride every

day in 2005 and have not had any medciation for seizures since October 2007 and

have not had any seizures at all.

Magnesium in Neurological Diseases and Emotions

Even a mild deficiency of magnesium can cause increased sensitivity to noise,

nervousness, irritability, mental depression, confusion, twitching, trembling,

apprehension, and insomnia. Imagine being able to clear these symptoms without

dangerous drugs! Magnesium is the premier medicine for depression, sleep

disturbances, emotionally disturbed behavior, and neurological diseases because

of its strong positive effect in calming and nourishing the nervous system.

The healthy cell is permeable. This means that nutrients are able to pass into

them efficiently to be absorbed and the toxic byproducts of metabolism are

eliminated. When the cells are healthy the polarity of the cell is correct,

i.e., there is intracellular potassium and magnesium as well as extracellular

sodium and calcium. The cell in this state is healthy, and the person functions

optimally both physically and emotionally. The unhealthy cell is not permeable.

This leads to unhealthy cells with sodium and calcium going inside the cell, and

magnesium and potassium being lost. 28 References.

http://magnesiumforlife.com/medical-application/magnesium-in-neurological-diseas\

es-and-emotions/

One of the things that magnesium does in the brain is regulate the bursts of

electricity that the neurons give off - it is these bursts that cause seizures

if they are too big. Magnesium also calms irritated neurons so that they do not

give off large bursts of electricily.

Magnesium is very helpful in Autism, ADD/ADHD,excitability, learning

disorders, panic attacks, anxiety, etc too.

Magnesium and Autism

ADD/ADHD, excitability, hyperactive, Autism are all addressed. When dealing

with autism spectrum and other neurological disorders in children it is

important to know the signs of low magnesium: restless, can't keep still, body

rocking, grinding teeth, hiccups, noise sensitive, poor attention span, poor

concentration, irritable, aggressive, ready to explode, easily stressed. A

double-blind administration of 200 mg elemental magnesium per day to 25 children

produced measurable decrease in hyperactivity over 6 months compared to

control.[4] Because of its nerve and muscle support, magnesium is helpful for

nervousness, anxiety, insomnia, depression, and muscle cramps.Magnesium is a

crucial factor in the natural self-cleansing and detoxification responses of the

body. When magnesium levels become dramatically deficient we see symptoms such

as convulsions, gross muscular tremor, atheloid movements, muscular weakness,

vertigo, auditory hyperacusis, aggressiveness, excessive irritability,

hallucinations, confusion, and semicomma. " Magnesium deficiency in children is

characterized by excessive fidgeting, anxious restlessness, psychomotor

instability and learning difficulties in the presence of normal IQ, " said Dr.

Mildred Seelig.Low levels of magnesium have long been known to cause hyper

excitability with convulsive seizures in such studies with the well known

reversal of such conditions by treatment with magnesium.[21]

References 26.

http://magnesiumforlife.com/medical-application/magnesium-and-autism/

blessings

Shan

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> >> > > > (I'm loving the stuff, no herx at all. My body wants to drink

> >> bottles of

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> >> > > > - though I'm not. It just makes me wonder if instinctively my body

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, Dr. K's assistant doc said that Teasel is effective against all the

co-infections.

Thane

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> > > *What about Teasel? Encysts or not?

> >

> > >

> > > (I'm loving the stuff, no herx at all. My body wants to drink bottles of

> > it

> > > - though I'm not. It just makes me wonder if instinctively my body wants

> > it

> > > to encyst the spiros and feel better.???)

> > >

> > > *

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Tamara,

When I was at Dr. K's clinic I was muscle tested(ART) and found I needed

Quintessense(buhner herbs), Garlic, and Rizol Gamma for my lyme infection. Once

I was on those I was then tested again and it still showed I still wasnt

completely addressing my lyme infection. Then they added MMS and tested me and

it canceled out that last bit of lyme that wasn't being addressed by the

antibiotic herbs. Then I asked her if since MMS is kind of a pain to use if she

could test me for Teasel and see if that would also address that last bit of

lyme the other abx wern't hitting and so she did and found that Teasel would

work for me in place of the MMS. My point is if Teasel was effective against

all strains then my guess would be I would be on only Teasel. The muscle

testing would then show after introducing Teasel that I need nothing else for my

lyme. So I think your assumption that Teasel doesn't work against all strains

is correct.

In my case they introduced Teasel last, which doesn't really prove that Teasel

doesn't address my various strains of lyme. But with all the muscle testing

thats been done up at Dr. K's I would imagine if when Teasel was tried first in

the testing sequence and then found that no additional abx were needed they

would then test that one first each time. But they didn't.

I think every abx works in a unique way and they each have strengths and

weaknesses. The trick is finding out which combination will address our

infection.

Did that make sense?

Thane

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>

> Hi ,

>

> I think if you crave teasel you should listed to your body and take it. I did

have an adrenal crash about a year ago and I had really severe kidney pain but I

never linked the two. I try really hard to keep my cortef on the low side

because I do think my body gets a little addicted to it.

>

> I tool teasel about a year ago when my germ load was pretty high and noticed

nothing. I ordered a fresh bottle from Lady B last month and noticed nothing as

well. In healing lyme

> Buhner says that he believes Teasel does not work on ever strain of lyme and

he found it less effective on the east coast. Perhaps my strain of lyme is not

effected and truly I think my co-infections far outweighed my lyme infection and

I don't know what effect it had on them. He did say that it was effective for

joint pain and I didn't notice any change in that either. I just cant help but

question my reaction when it seems that every lymie does so well on teasel.

>

> I rife with the GB4000 and I know I reduced my load tremendously. I also

really found the GSE helped in more ways than one as I think it also reduced my

yeast. After the initial discomfort of opening the cysts and herxing I just

felt better and better with it. I don't even mind the taste anymore. I don't

think either teasel or GSE causes encysting.

>

> Tamara

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Connie, Do you know if your accupuncturist is needling your liver meridian for

your frozen shoulder? I think I remember Liver Flushes being great for frozen

shoulders....ever try that?

Thane

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> , that is great news. I like your OCD humor. LOL

>

> I just wanted to tell you all that I too started teasel last week and had

> some much better days. I felt more normal for a few days. Not sure if it was

> the teasel because then I crashed. It started with a seizure like episode

> and then the neuro stuff started full force. I've also been on a low dose

> salt/C.

>

> This happened Sunday and Monday I was still really bad. Yesterday I had an

> appt. with a acupuncturist (first one) for my frozen shoulder and I didn't

> want to miss it. I have been going to PT with no help at all. Surgery is

> next and I'm not about to jump into that. Sorry got off track but I was

> trying to think what I could do to feel better. I had just gotten some

> magnesium flakes from Swanson the day before. I put 4 cups in my bath and

> stayed for about 25 minutes. I have to tell you all I was amazed. It took

> care of my neuro symptoms. Could this have been coincidence? I just couldn't

> believe the difference and they haven't returned.

>

> I haven't been using my mag oil like I should but I think I will make that a

> priority now. I do take oral mag though.

>

> The other good news is that one session of acupuncture and my shoulder is

> better this morning. I'm so happy as I have hope again. PT was pure torture.

> She also found that my adrenals are bad and she's treating for that. She

> knew about lyme also and says she can help with that so we will see. I don't

> believe everything I hear. LOL I was so impressed with her though.

>

> Connie

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Hi Connie,

I think I posted a liver flush recipe that I use all of the time in the files.

Take care,

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> > > , that is great news. I like your OCD humor. LOL

> > >

> > > I just wanted to tell you all that I too started teasel last week and had

> > > some much better days. I felt more normal for a few days. Not sure if it

> > was

> > > the teasel because then I crashed. It started with a seizure like episode

> > > and then the neuro stuff started full force. I've also been on a low dose

> > > salt/C.

> > >

> > > This happened Sunday and Monday I was still really bad. Yesterday I had

> > an

> > > appt. with a acupuncturist (first one) for my frozen shoulder and I

> > didn't

> > > want to miss it. I have been going to PT with no help at all. Surgery is

> > > next and I'm not about to jump into that. Sorry got off track but I was

> > > trying to think what I could do to feel better. I had just gotten some

> > > magnesium flakes from Swanson the day before. I put 4 cups in my bath and

> > > stayed for about 25 minutes. I have to tell you all I was amazed. It took

> > > care of my neuro symptoms. Could this have been coincidence? I just

> > couldn't

> > > believe the difference and they haven't returned.

> > >

> > > I haven't been using my mag oil like I should but I think I will make

> > that a

> > > priority now. I do take oral mag though.

> > >

> > > The other good news is that one session of acupuncture and my shoulder is

> > > better this morning. I'm so happy as I have hope again. PT was pure

> > torture.

> > > She also found that my adrenals are bad and she's treating for that. She

> > > knew about lyme also and says she can help with that so we will see. I

> > don't

> > > believe everything I hear. LOL I was so impressed with her though.

> > >

> > > Connie

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I am finding it hard to deal with the fact that I had seizues for 49 years and

not one doctor, whom were supposed to be specialists, told me about magnesium.

My son was born with all sorts of birth defects caused by the anti-seizure

medication and had 18 operations but still has a hole in his heart and brain

damage - this could have been prevented if I had known about magnesium.

I will always be grateful to Dr Mark Sircus now.

Good luck!

blessings

Shan

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> > > >> > > > *What about Teasel? Encysts or not?

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > (I'm loving the stuff, no herx at all. My body wants to drink

> > > >> bottles of

> > > >> > > it

> > > >> > > > - though I'm not. It just makes me wonder if instinctively my

> > body

> > > >> wants

> > > >> > > it

> > > >> > > > to encyst the spiros and feel better.???)

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Hi Shan,

This is the reason I seldom see a doctor anymore, they know little about what

natural things

can do to cure the body... Ask most doctors today to tell you the benefit of

Lugol's iodine and

some won't know what it is, virtually all will have no clue as to its benefits..

I know mag oil is good for seizures, so am I to presume they ended yours? If

so, good for you..

If they have ended yours, this is the first I have heard of it first hand...

Take care,

Jim

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> > > > >> > > it

> > > > >> > > > - though I'm not. It just makes me wonder if instinctively my

> > > body

> > > > >> wants

> > > > >> > > it

> > > > >> > > > to encyst the spiros and feel better.???)

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