Re: Sleuthing out the Truth

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane,

I appreciate your post and would like to add that not everyone uses CS with the

DP machines - it is not a requirement. Some prefer other antibacterial

supplements and/or abx or nothing at all.

While Doug McLean may have offered his opinion that he didn't understand or

believe the DP100 (and other DP models) could work, I can attest to the fact

that they do indeed cause herxes, sometimes in people who have tried many

treatments and never herxed from these other protocols. Some people attest that

they have seen improvement, some attest that they have achieved remission.

While no one can claim a cure, the ultimate goal is to feel better and achieve a

good quality of life. I personally plan to use my machines for maintenance for

many years to come.

deb

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Ot: As ot as is gets

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 12:20 AM

>

>

> Hi Deb,

>

> I am glad that you have found the DP 100 helpful.  When I was in the DP group,

I kept asking Jim Meissner to test the DP 100 without the use of Colloidal

Silver and he would not do this.  I talked to Doug Mac Clean about the DP 100

since Jim M said that he let Doug have one to make comments on it.  Doug's

comment to me was, as an engineer himself, he could not see how the DP 100 could

possibly work as it uses electric fields rather the electro-magnetic fields.  He

said that electric fields do not penetrate into the body and can only kill what

is on the surface.  I am not an engineer and am only repeating what was told to

me.  I was checking with Doug for a friend who was interested in buying one. My

friend lived in Seattle and Doug graciously offered to allow my friend to come

over and use it.  She ended up not buying one.  The problem for me is that until

this machine is tested without the use of Colloidal Silver, we don't really know

how

> effective it is alone.  If CS is the reason people are getting better, then

why do they need to buy a machine at all? Lyme encysts pretty quickly when doing

the same antimicrobials day after day.  That is why the Marshall Protocol was

developed because the same problem occurs with antibiotics usage, so the thought

was that switching the abx around would keep the lyme out of cyst.  I think the

real test for all of us is to stop rifing for a year or more and see if you get

any flare ups.  chose not to do any antimicrobials and has not had any

symptom flare ups for over a year now. told me that in his own experience

those who bought machines from him and did not get better were doing

antimicrobial herbs or colloidal silver at the same time they were rifing and as

soon as they would stop rifing the Lyme would come out of cyst and they would

have a return of symptoms.  My LLMD actually warned me that if I did Samento,

that I would probably be

> on it for life as she had other patients who tried to wean themselves off and

they would relapse.  She was the one that told me about 's book and got me

interested in rifing and not doing ABX. I have been at this for 4 years the

first 3 years with an EMEM running massive amounts of frequencies and doing some

antimicrobials.  I quit rifing when I was no longer herxing thinking I had Lyme

beat.  I felt great for about 6 months and then my symptoms came back.  I have

now decided to follow 's advice and not do anything that has the potential

to encyst the disease.  I will probably experience a few more flare ups then

did just because I have done herbs in the past. I think this group will

welcome discussion on the DP 100 once someone can prove that it is the machine

doing the killing and not the Colloidal Silver doing the killing and encysting

the disease.  One of our members got a DP 100 just to try it without the use of

the silver and

> this person eventually returned it and got a coil. I hope you have continued

success with your protocol and wish you well.  I just know from my own

experience that this disease can have many bumps in the road and I am far from

celebrating my own recent lack of herx symptoms as I know that it has fooled me

before.

>

> Take care,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

I guess I need to clarify what Doug said. He said that he thought that the DP

would probably kill microbes on the surface of the body, which will indeed cause

a herx. I think the EMEM did this as well, but he didn't believe that it would

ever get deep enough into the body to work long term. I have always maintained

that if it is keeping you symptom free, then go for it. I just personally want

to get to a point where I, like will only have to rife for an occasional

flare up. I don't want to have to take herbs daily or rife once a week or even

monthly the rest of my life to maintain my health, because I am not all that

enamored with the idea that the EMFs are entirely good for the body, as my EMF

sensitivity came about after starting rifing with the EMEM. It may be that the

amount of exposure to frequencies that gets when testing machines is

keeping him symptom free, but who knows he may have remained symptom free

anyway. I am going to continue coiling once I am free of symptoms from all of

the various organisms if I get a flare up of symptoms. I don't plan to rife on

a regular basis, because as long as I am not experiencing symptoms, I don't

believe it is necessary to rife, but again I could be wrong and as said, I

may have to end up doing monthly maintenance sessions. Anyway, I guess I will

find out once I stop rifing totally.

> >

> >

> > From: musiclady <sueblanton@>

> > Subject: Re: Ot: As ot as is gets

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 12:20 AM

> >

> >

> > Hi Deb,

> >

> > I am glad that you have found the DP 100 helpful.  When I was in the DP

group, I kept asking Jim Meissner to test the DP 100 without the use of

Colloidal Silver and he would not do this.  I talked to Doug Mac Clean about the

DP 100 since Jim M said that he let Doug have one to make comments on it. 

Doug's comment to me was, as an engineer himself, he could not see how the DP

100 could possibly work as it uses electric fields rather the electro-magnetic

fields.  He said that electric fields do not penetrate into the body and can

only kill what is on the surface.  I am not an engineer and am only repeating

what was told to me.  I was checking with Doug for a friend who was interested

in buying one. My friend lived in Seattle and Doug graciously offered to allow

my friend to come over and use it.  She ended up not buying one.  The problem

for me is that until this machine is tested without the use of Colloidal Silver,

we don't really know how

> >  effective it is alone.  If CS is the reason people are getting better, then

why do they need to buy a machine at all? Lyme encysts pretty quickly when doing

the same antimicrobials day after day.  That is why the Marshall Protocol was

developed because the same problem occurs with antibiotics usage, so the thought

was that switching the abx around would keep the lyme out of cyst.  I think the

real test for all of us is to stop rifing for a year or more and see if you get

any flare ups.  chose not to do any antimicrobials and has not had any

symptom flare ups for over a year now. told me that in his own experience

those who bought machines from him and did not get better were doing

antimicrobial herbs or colloidal silver at the same time they were rifing and as

soon as they would stop rifing the Lyme would come out of cyst and they would

have a return of symptoms.  My LLMD actually warned me that if I did Samento,

that I would probably

> be

> >  on it for life as she had other patients who tried to wean themselves off

and they would relapse.  She was the one that told me about 's book and got

me interested in rifing and not doing ABX. I have been at this for 4 years the

first 3 years with an EMEM running massive amounts of frequencies and doing some

antimicrobials.  I quit rifing when I was no longer herxing thinking I had Lyme

beat.  I felt great for about 6 months and then my symptoms came back.  I have

now decided to follow 's advice and not do anything that has the potential

to encyst the disease.  I will probably experience a few more flare ups then

did just because I have done herbs in the past. I think this group will

welcome discussion on the DP 100 once someone can prove that it is the machine

doing the killing and not the Colloidal Silver doing the killing and encysting

the disease.  One of our members got a DP 100 just to try it without the use of

the silver

> and

> >  this person eventually returned it and got a coil. I hope you have

continued success with your protocol and wish you well.  I just know from my own

experience that this disease can have many bumps in the road and I am far from

celebrating my own recent lack of herx symptoms as I know that it has fooled me

before.

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

HI deb,

Those who claim remission, how ill were they and how long did they have Lyme?

Or better, were any of them

severely disabled from Lyme? There was one individual on 's group who told

me just before she bought

her DP machine she was 95% cured from abx, then got her machine and started

telling others she was

95% cured because of the DP... 's wife also improved greatly from salt/C,

then she got a DP machine

and says she is much improved... These obviously were not folks with long

term chronic infections

and thus are not a good indication of the effectiveness of this machine...

And of those using CS, how much better did they feel from the DP machine or

rather the encysting

caused by the CS... Once encysted, they no longer bother us like the spirochetes

do...

And I can tell you from being on these groups for years, if you have a long term

chronic infection,

NOTHING brings you to quick remission and the DP machine is just a tad over 1

year old, not nearly

enough time....

The one thing we noticed while on 's group were mysterious members showing

up and claiming

they were having such good success with their DP machines, and they usually were

new members

who just happened to arrive when a heated discussion was brewing, I mean like a

few hours later...

JM's girlfriend posted she was cured using the DP at one time, I would never

trust anything she says!

Please be careful in who's info you trust....

Take care,

Jim

Any rife machine should cure acute or early chronic infections, they bacterial

load is still low then.. The true test of any rife

machine is killing off a long time chronic infection, most will fail at this...

> >

> >

> > From: musiclady <sueblanton@>

> > Subject: Re: Ot: As ot as is gets

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 12:20 AM

> >

> >

> > Hi Deb,

> >

> > I am glad that you have found the DP 100 helpful.  When I was in the DP

group, I kept asking Jim Meissner to test the DP 100 without the use of

Colloidal Silver and he would not do this.  I talked to Doug Mac Clean about the

DP 100 since Jim M said that he let Doug have one to make comments on it. 

Doug's comment to me was, as an engineer himself, he could not see how the DP

100 could possibly work as it uses electric fields rather the electro-magnetic

fields.  He said that electric fields do not penetrate into the body and can

only kill what is on the surface.  I am not an engineer and am only repeating

what was told to me.  I was checking with Doug for a friend who was interested

in buying one. My friend lived in Seattle and Doug graciously offered to allow

my friend to come over and use it.  She ended up not buying one.  The problem

for me is that until this machine is tested without the use of Colloidal Silver,

we don't really know how

> > effective it is alone.  If CS is the reason people are getting better, then

why do they need to buy a machine at all? Lyme encysts pretty quickly when doing

the same antimicrobials day after day.  That is why the Marshall Protocol was

developed because the same problem occurs with antibiotics usage, so the thought

was that switching the abx around would keep the lyme out of cyst.  I think the

real test for all of us is to stop rifing for a year or more and see if you get

any flare ups.  chose not to do any antimicrobials and has not had any

symptom flare ups for over a year now. told me that in his own experience

those who bought machines from him and did not get better were doing

antimicrobial herbs or colloidal silver at the same time they were rifing and as

soon as they would stop rifing the Lyme would come out of cyst and they would

have a return of symptoms.  My LLMD actually warned me that if I did Samento,

that I would probably be

> > on it for life as she had other patients who tried to wean themselves off

and they would relapse.  She was the one that told me about 's book and got

me interested in rifing and not doing ABX. I have been at this for 4 years the

first 3 years with an EMEM running massive amounts of frequencies and doing some

antimicrobials.  I quit rifing when I was no longer herxing thinking I had Lyme

beat.  I felt great for about 6 months and then my symptoms came back.  I have

now decided to follow 's advice and not do anything that has the potential

to encyst the disease.  I will probably experience a few more flare ups then

did just because I have done herbs in the past. I think this group will

welcome discussion on the DP 100 once someone can prove that it is the machine

doing the killing and not the Colloidal Silver doing the killing and encysting

the disease.  One of our members got a DP 100 just to try it without the use of

the silver and

> > this person eventually returned it and got a coil. I hope you have

continued success with your protocol and wish you well.  I just know from my own

experience that this disease can have many bumps in the road and I am far from

celebrating my own recent lack of herx symptoms as I know that it has fooled me

before.

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

You bring up an excellent point of any protocol.... Anyone who is severely

infected with Lyme and or the co's

can only kill off so much at a time as there is the toxic affect of the die-off

that has to be detoxed

out of the body... I don't care if one is using a Doug Coil, DP, ozone or salt/C

or anything else, once a herx

has started it has to be detoxed and this all takes time..

Take care,

Jim

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: musiclady <sueblanton@>

> > > > Subject: Re: Ot: As ot as is gets

> > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife <Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > > Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 12:20 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Deb,

> > > >

> > > > I am glad that you have found the DP 100 helpful. When I was in the DP

> > group, I kept asking Jim Meissner to test the DP 100 without the use of

> > Colloidal Silver and he would not do this. I talked to Doug Mac Clean about

> > the DP 100 since Jim M said that he let Doug have one to make comments on

> > it. Doug's comment to me was, as an engineer himself, he could not see how

> > the DP 100 could possibly work as it uses electric fields rather the

> > electro-magnetic fields. He said that electric fields do not penetrate into

> > the body and can only kill what is on the surface. I am not an engineer and

> > am only repeating what was told to me. I was checking with Doug for a

> > friend who was interested in buying one. My friend lived in Seattle and Doug

> > graciously offered to allow my friend to come over and use it. She ended up

> > not buying one. The problem for me is that until this machine is tested

> > without the use of Colloidal Silver, we don't really know how

> > > > effective it is alone. If CS is the reason people are getting better,

> > then why do they need to buy a machine at all? Lyme encysts pretty quickly

> > when doing the same antimicrobials day after day. That is why the Marshall

> > Protocol was developed because the same problem occurs with antibiotics

> > usage, so the thought was that switching the abx around would keep the lyme

> > out of cyst. I think the real test for all of us is to stop rifing for a

> > year or more and see if you get any flare ups. chose not to do any

> > antimicrobials and has not had any symptom flare ups for over a year now.

> > told me that in his own experience those who bought machines from him

> > and did not get better were doing antimicrobial herbs or colloidal silver at

> > the same time they were rifing and as soon as they would stop rifing the

> > Lyme would come out of cyst and they would have a return of symptoms. My

> > LLMD actually warned me that if I did Samento, that I would probably be

> > > > on it for life as she had other patients who tried to wean themselves

> > off and they would relapse. She was the one that told me about 's book

> > and got me interested in rifing and not doing ABX. I have been at this for 4

> > years the first 3 years with an EMEM running massive amounts of frequencies

> > and doing some antimicrobials. I quit rifing when I was no longer herxing

> > thinking I had Lyme beat. I felt great for about 6 months and then my

> > symptoms came back. I have now decided to follow 's advice and not do

> > anything that has the potential to encyst the disease. I will probably

> > experience a few more flare ups then did just because I have done herbs

> > in the past. I think this group will welcome discussion on the DP 100 once

> > someone can prove that it is the machine doing the killing and not the

> > Colloidal Silver doing the killing and encysting the disease. One of our

> > members got a DP 100 just to try it without the use of the silver and

> > > > this person eventually returned it and got a coil. I hope you have

> > continued success with your protocol and wish you well. I just know from my

> > own experience that this disease can have many bumps in the road and I am

> > far from celebrating my own recent lack of herx symptoms as I know that it

> > has fooled me before.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I started with 15 seconds on the coil and this was after running multiple

frequencies on an EMEM for 3 years. warned me that I could have a huge

herx as the coil held against the body, will reach much deeper then any other

machine. He was right. I had a pretty good herx, not intolerable, but

substantial on 15 seconds of coiling the first time I used it.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > From: musiclady <sueblanton@>

> > > > > Subject: Re: Ot: As ot as is gets

> > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife <Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > > > Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 12:20 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Deb,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am glad that you have found the DP 100 helpful. When I was in the

DP

> > > group, I kept asking Jim Meissner to test the DP 100 without the use of

> > > Colloidal Silver and he would not do this. I talked to Doug Mac Clean

about

> > > the DP 100 since Jim M said that he let Doug have one to make comments on

> > > it. Doug's comment to me was, as an engineer himself, he could not see

how

> > > the DP 100 could possibly work as it uses electric fields rather the

> > > electro-magnetic fields. He said that electric fields do not penetrate

into

> > > the body and can only kill what is on the surface. I am not an engineer

and

> > > am only repeating what was told to me. I was checking with Doug for a

> > > friend who was interested in buying one. My friend lived in Seattle and

Doug

> > > graciously offered to allow my friend to come over and use it. She ended

up

> > > not buying one. The problem for me is that until this machine is tested

> > > without the use of Colloidal Silver, we don't really know how

> > > > > effective it is alone. If CS is the reason people are getting better,

> > > then why do they need to buy a machine at all? Lyme encysts pretty quickly

> > > when doing the same antimicrobials day after day. That is why the

Marshall

> > > Protocol was developed because the same problem occurs with antibiotics

> > > usage, so the thought was that switching the abx around would keep the

lyme

> > > out of cyst. I think the real test for all of us is to stop rifing for a

> > > year or more and see if you get any flare ups. chose not to do any

> > > antimicrobials and has not had any symptom flare ups for over a year now.

> > > told me that in his own experience those who bought machines from him

> > > and did not get better were doing antimicrobial herbs or colloidal silver

at

> > > the same time they were rifing and as soon as they would stop rifing the

> > > Lyme would come out of cyst and they would have a return of symptoms. My

> > > LLMD actually warned me that if I did Samento, that I would probably be

> > > > > on it for life as she had other patients who tried to wean themselves

> > > off and they would relapse. She was the one that told me about 's

book

> > > and got me interested in rifing and not doing ABX. I have been at this for

4

> > > years the first 3 years with an EMEM running massive amounts of

frequencies

> > > and doing some antimicrobials. I quit rifing when I was no longer herxing

> > > thinking I had Lyme beat. I felt great for about 6 months and then my

> > > symptoms came back. I have now decided to follow 's advice and not do

> > > anything that has the potential to encyst the disease. I will probably

> > > experience a few more flare ups then did just because I have done

herbs

> > > in the past. I think this group will welcome discussion on the DP 100 once

> > > someone can prove that it is the machine doing the killing and not the

> > > Colloidal Silver doing the killing and encysting the disease. One of our

> > > members got a DP 100 just to try it without the use of the silver and

> > > > > this person eventually returned it and got a coil. I hope you have

> > > continued success with your protocol and wish you well. I just know from

my

> > > own experience that this disease can have many bumps in the road and I am

> > > far from celebrating my own recent lack of herx symptoms as I know that it

> > > has fooled me before.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm, I thought this group's motto was to never say anything negative about

anyone?

I have never had this experience with Jim M. He has been kind and concerned and

always there to answer a question, even on weekends. I have read posts from

many many people here and another rife group about how S hasn't answered

his phone or emails and here they sit with broken machines.

deb

> I was cyber stalked and cyber bullied by Jim M and wouldn't trust him

> with my health. (or anything else - the many has serious integrity issues)

> That's all I have to say on this.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I'm sure that the longer one has Lyme, the harder it is to treat, but certainly

there are success stories. Re 's wife, although she felt she was past 90%

healing from her salt/C followed by CS/C protocol, she wanted to get to 100% and

bought a DP100 and starting herxing from it which surprised her because she

thought she was further along. The herxing was evidence that she still had far

more bacterial load than she expected after her abx and alternative protocols.

Now she is running 3 businesses from her home and doing great.

I have another friend who couldn't afford a rife machine and instead chose MMS,

teasel and GSE. This woman was sick for decades (since high school) and was

having grand mal seizures, and after one year of her protocol, she is well

(let's say in remission and not cured). So I don't think one can make blanket

statements about how ill someone is and how long it takes to get better. You

yourself said your wife got sick and is now better but that you did not have the

same success as she did and developed the chronic form. (How long did you have

it before you starting treatment? For me, it took 2 years to get a diagnosis

but I suspect I had Lyme & Co. much longer - the stress of an interstate

relocation brought mine on.)

Jim M's very good friend Carol was sick for 15 years and it was for her that Jim

designed the DP100 because she could not handle anything more complicated than

flicking a switch and setting a timer. Carol got well but was reinfected again

because she has outdoor cats and loves to garden. She is doing very well again.

And I do trust her because I did my due diligence and checked her out. Many

people actually fly to Virginia to check out the DP machines and meet Jim and

Carol before making any decisions. If money is tight, the purchase of a machine

costing $3000 requires doing your homework and not relying on what I or anyone

else claims. In a previous post, we discussed refunds - I agree that two months

is not enough time to know how effective a machine might be but one can get a

sense if the machine causes herxes and thus doing what is expected.

People do pop in and out of the groups, seemingly from nowhere. Once I get

well, I expect that these forums will take far less of my time. Kenda dropped

all groups recently because she is functioning at 100%. One member of another

group hadn't posted for many many months and then suddenly showed up again to

tell us how well he is doing with the DP100. (By the way, if someone

unsubscribes and then resubscribes, will the membership info show the new

subscription date?)

By the way, can you please provide links showing that CS causes encysting

because I have been googling this the past two days and can find nothing about

it.

I had been pleased with the threads over the past couple of days but it appears

that people still want to bash the DP machines and Jim M. For those (like me)

who joined L and R since the split a year ago, we should be able to make up our

own minds rather than be prejudiced by a small group of individuals who claim to

be here to support each other and provide objective information. I feel very

let down with these latest posts.

deb

P.S. I believe the DP100 is now 3 years old but it has gone through a few

iterations since its inception. I could be wrong on this but I'm feel certain

it's more than a year.

>

> HI deb,

>

> Those who claim remission, how ill were they and how long did they have Lyme?

Or better, were any of them

> severely disabled from Lyme? There was one individual on 's group who

told me just before she bought

> her DP machine she was 95% cured from abx, then got her machine and started

telling others she was

> 95% cured because of the DP... 's wife also improved greatly from salt/C,

then she got a DP machine

> and says she is much improved... These obviously were not folks with

long term chronic infections

> and thus are not a good indication of the effectiveness of this machine...

>

> And of those using CS, how much better did they feel from the DP machine or

rather the encysting

> caused by the CS... Once encysted, they no longer bother us like the

spirochetes do...

>

> And I can tell you from being on these groups for years, if you have a long

term chronic infection,

> NOTHING brings you to quick remission and the DP machine is just a tad over 1

year old, not nearly

> enough time....

>

> The one thing we noticed while on 's group were mysterious members

showing up and claiming

> they were having such good success with their DP machines, and they usually

were new members

> who just happened to arrive when a heated discussion was brewing, I mean like

a few hours later...

> JM's girlfriend posted she was cured using the DP at one time, I would never

trust anything she says!

>

> Please be careful in who's info you trust....

>

> Take care,

> Jim

>

>

>

>

> Any rife machine should cure acute or early chronic infections, they bacterial

load is still low then.. The true test of any rife

> machine is killing off a long time chronic infection, most will fail at

this...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and all,

I am very sorry to have opened up old wounds. I guess if I had been around when

this all went down, I would have known better than to bring it up. Sometimes

people and/or circumstances bring out the worst in each other. This appears to

have been the case here.

I personally have not had this experience with the other group. Jim M and I

have had our tiffs but he means well and we get past it. He has been very

helpful and supportive.

I am glad the group is willing to hear about people's experience with the DP100

and I will bring it up when it is relevant. For now, I think we are done with

this thread and probably it's best for all concerned.

deb

>

> *Dear Deb,

> You said, *

> " I had been pleased with the threads over the past couple of days but it

> appears that people still want to bash the DP machines and Jim M. For those

> (like me) who joined L and R since the split a year ago, we should be able

> to make up our own minds rather than be prejudiced by a small group of

> individuals who claim to be here to support each other and provide objective

> information. I feel very let down with these latest posts. "

>

> *You are able to make up your own mind, but would it be fair to you (or

> others who are reading these posts) to see only one side of the picture?

> Someone has been going on for days regarding Jim M and his machines and most

> of us have kept silent (I've deleted the messages). Is it fair for you to be

> able to post only your positive experience with Jim M? People have been

> allowed to post their frustration in not being able to get a hold of

> Stolar. I thought this was a 'fair' exchange of experience? I am not

> 'bashing' Jim M for the sake of bashing him. Please understand, I am simply

> stating my experience, which is BTW, not unique. I would hope, that you as a

> fellow supporter, would be concerned for my personal welfare as someone who

> was cyber stalked and bullied. It was quite frightening at the time. My

> husband wanted to call the police and to get on a plane to go meet this man

> face to face. It was very unsettling. The only thing I did - to set Jim M

> off - was to state that I was afraid to do anything that might encyst Lyme

> and I wasn't sure if CS would encyst Lyme or not. .....and off he went on me

> stating things like, " I know who you are, and where you're from (or live)! "

> Oh, and he'd been following me. Excuse me? Maybe now you can understand why

> many of us are concerned over Jim M.

>

> I do not know if any of the DP machines work or not. But I feel it is

> perfectly appropriate, if someone asks, to share my experience (which I've

> withheld for many days hoping this thread would drop off). Apparently I am

> not alone in my experience with Jim M. There is no doubt to the lack of

> credibility of this man's character, it has been shown over and over. His

> machine my help - so be it. Would I support a man who cyber stalks and

> bullies, especially women?! Would I support a man who continually breaks the

> yahoo rules and uses the group as a platform to sell his machines? Would a

> support a man who uses his lover to pose as a successfully treated client

> (whether or not she was successfully treated)? Would I support a man who

> drops Doug MacLean's name as an endorser, when Doug does not endorse the

> machine?

>

> I believe this entire thread came about because JimJax was asked why he

> doesn't include info regarding Jim M's products in his list to newbies. Jim

> answered diplomatically the first time. The issue kept getting pushed and

> pushed, rather than dropped at Jim's first response, and now we are left

> getting down to brass tacks and clearly stating why many of us have a

> problem with Jim M.

>

> ly, I'm not sure why we are discussing the DP machines. The group

> split, now they have there own group.

>

> Deb, I am sure you are frustrated. So am I. I will try and remember that I

> am not feeling well and neither are most people on this group, and our

> tempers flare easily. I've been trying to push mine down for days now.

> Maybe it's a full moon. ;-)

>

> I don't mind if someone posts their experience with Jim's machines, but can

> we move past the point that his machines are not listed on the preferred

> list?

>

> Truly, Kindest regards,

>

>

> PS: Maybe we could discuss the differences between far infrared vs. near

> infrared saunas? *

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

Our group is very respective of each other... However, we as members want to

know the experiences others have with products, services and builders of

machines... If someone posts a builder was great or a builder was terrible, they

are posting their experience with this builder... Same goes for other products

and services...

One of the purposes of a good group is letting others know good or bad, this

gives everyone else information they can use in deciding who they choose to deal

with...

A member posted her unhappy feelings about Stolar several times, even

though he is a member here, he also is a builder, it was allowed just like

's concerns are about this other builder. We have to take the good with

the bad...

Take care,

Jim

>

> Hmm, I thought this group's motto was to never say anything negative about

anyone?

>

> I have never had this experience with Jim M. He has been kind and concerned

and always there to answer a question, even on weekends. I have read posts from

many many people here and another rife group about how S hasn't answered

his phone or emails and here they sit with broken machines.

>

> deb

>

>

> > I was cyber stalked and cyber bullied by Jim M and wouldn't trust him

> > with my health. (or anything else - the many has serious integrity issues)

> > That's all I have to say on this.

> >

> >

>