Guest guest Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both?The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows.ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food. EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such " bones " and getting rid of them. Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 EMDR????Subject: Re: ACT vs EMDRTo: ACT_for_the_Public Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both?The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows.ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food. EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such "bones" and getting rid of them. Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_movement_desensitization_and_reprocessing > > > Subject: Re: ACT vs EMDR > To: ACT_for_the_Public > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows. > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food. > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such " bones " and getting rid of them. > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right? > Â Â > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 See: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=emdr-taking-a-closer-look and: http://www.skepdic.com/emdr.html I didn't see any direct comparison to ACT in the literature; probably because ACT is so new. Excerpt: So, now to the bottom line: EMDR ameliorates symptoms of traumatic anxiety better than doing nothing and probably better than talking to a supportive listener. Yet not a shred of good evidence exists that EMDR is superior to exposure-based treatments that behavior and cognitive-behavior therapists have been administering routinely for decades. Paraphrasing British writer and critic , Harvard University psychologist McNally nicely summed up the case for EMDR: “What is effective in EMDR is not new, and what is new is not effective.†Re: ACT vs EMDR I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows. ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food. EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such "bones" and getting rid of them. Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) The therapist has a wand that is moved back and forth rapidly while the patient follows it. During that time, painful and traumatic memories are tapped into by the therapist. This is after she has an understanding of the history of the trauma. I had this therapy years ago and it did me absolutely no good, even though the therapist indicated I was being very receptive. The therapy ended with the therapist blaming me for the lack of results because I had other issues that I needed to resolve first! I see no relationship between EMDR and ACT from a patients perspective. > > > Subject: Re: ACT vs EMDR > To: ACT_for_the_Public > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows. > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food. > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such " bones " and getting rid of them. > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right? > Â Â > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Sounds like therapy that might be on offer at Hogwarts, or something. Subject: Re: ACT vs EMDRTo: ACT_for_the_Public Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 12:15 Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) The therapist has a wand that is moved back and forth rapidly while the patient follows it. During that time, painful and traumatic memories are tapped into by the therapist. This is after she has an understanding of the history of the trauma. I had this therapy years ago and it did me absolutely no good, even though the therapist indicated I was being very receptive. The therapy ended with the therapist blaming me for the lack of results because I had other issues that I needed to resolve first! I see no relationship between EMDR and ACT from a patients perspective. > > > Subject: Re: ACT vs EMDR > To: ACT_for_the_Public > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows. > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food. > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such "bones" and getting rid of them. > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right? > Â Â > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 See: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=emdr-taking-a-closer-look Did you scroll down enough to read the comments? There are tons of them, and are very telling. This one takes words out of my mouth: The point is somewhat moot - we don't really know much about what works in psychotherapy - there has been a lot of research on exposure and other cbt therapies - much of it not well done, so to criticize another modalilty onthe basis of old research, seems irrelevant. Comments such as " scientists have,,, " are not helpfulor useful and simply contribute to misinformation. This comment seems to be more like pseudo science than anything else, and since the authors are promoting science, perhaps closer attention is in order. and: http://www.skepdic.com/emdr.htmlHardly an unbiased source. Re: ACT vs EMDR I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows. ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food. EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such " bones " and getting rid of them. Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 EMDR is a controversial treatment and there are some medical professionals who outright reject it and others who embrace it -- both quoting different studies that reach different conclusions. So it's quite confusing to the consumer. I have a friend who swears by it, but it didn't work at all for me. I like Reiki, reflexology and rolfing, but they aren't scientifically proven to be healing, either. If it's the placebo effect at work on me, bring it on, but I won't be fooling myself that these therapies are science based. The danger can be that some truly sick people who cannot be helped by some of these alternative therapies will turn to them instead of the mainstream medical care that could save their lives. My own father died that way. Re: ACT vs EMDR> To: ACT_for_the_Public > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34> > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both?> The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows.> ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food.> > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such "bones" and getting rid of them.> > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right?> Â Â > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I did read the comments and consider them mere opinion, both pro and con, and I--like you--resonate more with some of the comments than with others. I read both biased and unbiased reports, just as I consider both sides of a political argument and give my full attention to both before making up my mind. And sometimes, it's too confusing to make up my mind, so I pay attention to the treatment or idea that seems to have the most credibility, to MY mind. Others have to make up their own minds according to their own particular mindset - and none of us is without certain prejudices and belief systems. Bottom line: try EMDR is you want to, but don't expect a consensus on its efficacy. Re: ACT vs EMDR I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows. ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food. EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such "bones" and getting rid of them. Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Here's another source:http://www.div12.org/PsychologicalTreatments/treatments/ptsd_emdr.htmlIt's provide you with its description, its controversy, and key references and reviews as directions for more info. As for the controversy it states:"The efficacy of EMDR for PTSD is an extremely controversial subject among researchers, as the available evidence can be interpreted in several ways. On one hand, studies have shown that EMDR produces greater reduction in PTSD symptoms compared to control groups receiving no treatment. On the other hand, the existing methodologically sound research comparing EMDR to exposure therapy without eye movements has found no difference in outcomes. Thus, it appears that while EMDR is effective, the mechanism of change may be exposure - and the eye movements may be an unnecessary addition. If EMDR is indeed simply exposure therapy with a superfluous addition, it brings to question whether the dissemination of EMDR is beneficial for patients and the field." C.Subject: Re: ACT vs EMDRTo: ACT_for_the_Public Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both?The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows.ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food. EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such "bones" and getting rid of them. Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 It is nothing like hypnotherapy. You face the therapist with your eyes open. You are instructed to have your eyes track the wands movement, which is moved back and forth - at first slowly and then more rapidly. At the same time the therapist talks to you about the trauma. It brought forward strong emotion, but that isn't unusual for me. I was not resistant and had great hopes that it would help, but it didn't help me whatsoever. The Hogwarts comment from made me laugh... > > > > From: Jane Cohen <asdfasdf87@> > > Subject: Re: ACT vs > EMDR > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? > > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows. > > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food. > > > > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades > without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such " bones " and getting rid of them. > > > > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right? > >   > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I would not be surprised if there are underlying commonalities between EMDR and hypnosis. The idea that movements from left to right and such facilitate better communication between brain hemispheres and such, and that we get " stuck " due to the lack of such communication, appeals to the computer geek to me (as I can see a software system suffering from the same malady and the same " hack " helping). Hypnosis might be doing the same. I.e. helping process and get a thought unstuck. Like I said, there is a difference in theory: EMDR says that our brain is mostly efficient at processing thoughts, except when it malfunctions (think printer jamming); ACT, that it's inherently inefficient and not worth even trying fix the jam, we should just learn to not rely on the printer at all, at least at for a certain class of tasks. I can see how both approaches might be of practical help, for those of us with unreliable printers! It is nothing like hypnotherapy. You face the therapist with your eyes open. You are instructed to have your eyes track the wands movement, which is moved back and forth - at first slowly and then more rapidly. At the same time the therapist talks to you about the trauma. It brought forward strong emotion, but that isn't unusual for me. I was not resistant and had great hopes that it would help, but it didn't help me whatsoever. The Hogwarts comment from made me laugh... > > > > From: Jane Cohen <asdfasdf87@> > > Subject: Re: ACT vs > EMDR > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? > > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are different as follows. > > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its own dog food. > > > > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and sometimes it takes decades > without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing such " bones " and getting rid of them. > > > > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both empirically proven to work, right? > >   > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Obviously I am only speaking from personal experience and wish anyone that tries this therapy the best result. The outcome for me was nothing like I have experienced with hypnotherapy, but each case is different. > > > > > > > > From: Jane Cohen <asdfasdf87@> > > > > Subject: Re: ACT vs > > > EMDR > > > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > > > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? > > > > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are > > different as follows. > > > > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is > > inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its > > own dog food. > > > > > > > > > > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, > > that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes > > some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it > > desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and > > sometimes it takes decades > > > without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing > > such " bones " and getting rid of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both > > empirically proven to work, right? > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Don't mean to discount your personal experience, but since you state EMDR did not work for you, and even did not elicit any reactions beyond the usual, then maybe you did not fully experience it?On an unrelated subject - if our thought machine is inherently inefficient, then why does not every one of us suffer from all psychological disorders at once? Why am I not having anxiety attacks for example? Obviously I am only speaking from personal experience and wish anyone that tries this therapy the best result. The outcome for me was nothing like I have experienced with hypnotherapy, but each case is different. > > > > > > > > From: Jane Cohen <asdfasdf87@> > > > > Subject: Re: ACT vs > > > EMDR > > > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > > > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? > > > > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are > > different as follows. > > > > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is > > inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its > > own dog food. > > > > > > > > > > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, > > that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes > > some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it > > desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and > > sometimes it takes decades > > > without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing > > such " bones " and getting rid of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both > > empirically proven to work, right? > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 So what in your opinion is the difference between you and people for whom it has worked? The EMDR Therapist indicated throughout our sessions that I was responding to the therapy as expected. I allowed the therapy to bring my pain to the surface during the treatment. It was never indicated that I was not experiencing at an effective level, actually it was noted otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jane Cohen <asdfasdf87@> > > > > > > Subject: Re: ACT vs > > > > > EMDR > > > > > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? > > > > > > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) > > are > > > > different as follows. > > > > > > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our > > mind is > > > > inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating > > its > > > > own dog food. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food > > processor, > > > > that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but > > sometimes > > > > some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, > > it > > > > desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and > > > > sometimes it takes decades > > > > > without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for > > reprocessing > > > > such " bones " and getting rid of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both > > > > empirically proven to work, right? > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 That is a fascinating question! A real zen koan. On an unrelated subject - if our thought machine is inherently inefficient, then why does not every one of us suffer from all psychological disorders at once? Why am I not having anxiety attacks for example? Obviously I am only speaking from personal experience and wish anyone that tries this therapy the best result. The outcome for me was nothing like I have experienced with hypnotherapy, but each case is different. > > > > > > > > From: Jane Cohen <asdfasdf87@> > > > > Subject: Re: ACT vs > > > EMDR > > > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > > > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? > > > > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are > > different as follows. > > > > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is > > inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its > > own dog food. > > > > > > > > > > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor, > > that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes > > some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it > > desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and > > sometimes it takes decades > > > without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing > > such " bones " and getting rid of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both > > empirically proven to work, right? > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 We are all humans but we are also all individuals and those of us who are born with a genetic predisposition to developing certain disorders (there are genetic differences between us after all that don't amount to some of us being fruit flies rather than humans though it's a close thing!) are more likely to develop them. We also all have different experiences. Not all of us experience the war in Vietnam, for example. The more you avoid anxiety the more you are likely to suffer from any anxiety disorder you are predisposed to develop as well. Some of all this will be learnt which encourages me as then it an presumably be unlearnt. S. Obviously I am only speaking from personal experience and wish anyone that tries this therapy the best result. The outcome for me was nothing like I have experienced with hypnotherapy, but each case is different. > > > >> > > > From: Jane Cohen <asdfasdf87@>> > > > Subject: Re: ACT vs> > > EMDR> > > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > > > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both?> > > > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably don't) are> > different as follows.> > > > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our mind is> > inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of eating its> > own dog food.> > > >> > > >> > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food processor,> > that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but sometimes> > some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it does, it> > desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and> > sometimes it takes decades> > > without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for reprocessing> > such "bones" and getting rid of them.> > > >> > > >> > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both> > empirically proven to work, right?> > > >  ÂÂ> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Theresa - I don't have an informed opinion on what the difference is. As a non - professional, how would I be able to assess the variables which would include another persons reason for treatment? Regardless of that, I wouldn't even be able to offer an opinion, as I don't personally know anyone else that that has gone through this therapy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jane Cohen <asdfasdf87@> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: ACT vs > > > > > > > EMDR > > > > > > > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? > > > > > > > > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably > > don't) > > > > are > > > > > > different as follows. > > > > > > > > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our > > > > mind is > > > > > > inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of > > eating > > > > its > > > > > > own dog food. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food > > > > processor, > > > > > > that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but > > > > sometimes > > > > > > some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it > > does, > > > > it > > > > > > desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and > > > > > > sometimes it takes decades > > > > > > > without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for > > > > reprocessing > > > > > > such " bones " and getting rid of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both > > > > > > empirically proven to work, right? > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Sorry, I meant Jane... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jane Cohen <asdfasdf87@> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: ACT vs > > > > > > > > EMDR > > > > > > > > > To: ACT_for_the_Public > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 7:34 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how ACT compares with EMDR. Has anyone tried both? > > > > > > > > > The basic premises, the way I understand it (and I probably > > > don't) > > > > > are > > > > > > > different as follows. > > > > > > > > > ACT, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, teaches us that our > > > > > mind is > > > > > > > inherently inefficient as a self-regulating system, in terms of > > > eating > > > > > its > > > > > > > own dog food. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EMDR says that minds are more like (my own metaphor) a food > > > > > processor, > > > > > > > that munches on all kinds of foods all right most of the time, but > > > > > sometimes > > > > > > > some bone or something gets stuck, the thing gets jammed. When it > > > does, > > > > > it > > > > > > > desperately tries to unjam itself and reprocess what got stack, and > > > > > > > sometimes it takes decades > > > > > > > > without any result. EMDR offers a specific techniques for > > > > > reprocessing > > > > > > > such " bones " and getting rid of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are these two models mutually contradictory? They've been both > > > > > > > empirically proven to work, right? > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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