Re: Introducing myself; a few questions_Eliezer

[Guest guest]

Kelley, even for someone with a small hand... Take a look at the serving

size on crackers. See what 20g of carbs is. Your hand cannot be the size

of those few crackers. I remember in the book, Bill says 2 slices of bread

is a serving for him.

Please further clarify...

Thanks again,

Eliezer

>

>

> I shoot for 20g of protein and carbs for ALL meals, liquid or solid.? The

> size of my palm (excluding the fingers) equals about 3 oz of chicken, beef,

> fish, or pork which is about 20 g of protein.? My hand may be exceptionally

> smaller than yours which would cause the size of the portion to be

> significantly smaller compared to your portion.? The measurement is relative

> to your body which makes it very personalized.

>

> Kelley

> Beginning Weight: 149 lbs.? Current Weight:147.5

> Goal Race: Hocking Hills 40K Trail Indian Run, Sep 22

[Guest guest]

To clarify: my goal is not to determine how many crackers-big Kelley's hand

is. :-)

If we are to assume that a carb serving is the size of one's hand - and I'll

go with the two slices of bread mentioned in the book - then how do I

convert that to liquid? Do I use the whole wheat bread that I'm

eating, i.e. 14g

carbs per slice x 2 slices = 28g. And so 28g of carbs is my liquid

serving? Or do I estimate with crackers (about 8 of the crackers I like

approximately equals the size of my hand) - and come up with 44g of carbs as

a serving?

I'm really confused on this issue...

Eliezer

>

> Kelley, even for someone with a small hand... Take a look at the serving

> size on crackers. See what 20g of carbs is. Your hand cannot be the size

> of those few crackers. I remember in the book, Bill says 2 slices of bread

> is a serving for him.

>

> Please further clarify...

>

> Thanks again,

> Eliezer

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > I shoot for 20g of protein and carbs for ALL meals, liquid or solid.?

> > The size of my palm (excluding the fingers) equals about 3 oz of chicken,

> > beef, fish, or pork which is about 20 g of protein.? My hand may be

> > exceptionally smaller than yours which would cause the size of the portion

> > to be significantly smaller compared to your portion.? The measurement is

> > relative to your body which makes it very personalized.

> >

> > Kelley

> > Beginning Weight: 149 lbs.? Current Weight:147.5

> > Goal Race: Hocking Hills 40K Trail Indian Run, Sep 22

>

>

[Guest guest]

Eliezer,

Okay, okay.

1) 's hand, is likely the size of a ping pong ball when clenched

into a fist. And.

2) STOP with the crackers! They are not BFL authorized, anyhow. :-)

LOL

The palm fist are guidelines for hard foods. It gets REALLY sloppy really

fast when you start measuring liquids in this manner, especially when dining

out in restaurants. :-)

A slice of bread is one " portion " of carbs for a normal person. Maybe 2

slices for the larger amongst us. The measures are not precise and need to

be used together with good judgment.

If using the meal replacements, consider your size and then measure and

drink accordingly. A 42g protein packet might be good by itself, or with a

piece of fruit. Maybe only half the packet or drink and a piece of fruit.

Sometimes, you might want to skip the fruit. If you are striving for

perfection in measurement, you will quickly feel like you fell off course

the moment you don't have the measuring tools. Again, good judgment and

realize that you can be rough in estimating your intake. That's the reason

why BFL doesn't really focus on calories. One less stumbling block to your

success.

Remember, we are after progress, not perfection. :-)

Eliezer i

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From: bodyforlife [mailto:bodyforlife ] On

Behalf Of Eliezer Broder

Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:48 PM

To: bodyforlife

Subject: Re: Introducing myself; a few questions_Eliezer

To clarify: my goal is not to determine how many crackers-big Kelley's hand

is. :-)

If we are to assume that a carb serving is the size of one's hand - and I'll

go with the two slices of bread mentioned in the book - then how do I

convert that to liquid? Do I use the whole wheat bread that I'm

eating, i.e. 14g

carbs per slice x 2 slices = 28g. And so 28g of carbs is my liquid

serving? Or do I estimate with crackers (about 8 of the crackers I like

approximately equals the size of my hand) - and come up with 44g of carbs as

a serving?

I'm really confused on this issue...

Eliezer

On 6/4/07, Eliezer Broder <ebrodergmail (DOT) <mailto:ebroder%40gmail.com> com>

wrote:

>

> Kelley, even for someone with a small hand... Take a look at the serving

> size on crackers. See what 20g of carbs is. Your hand cannot be the size

> of those few crackers. I remember in the book, Bill says 2 slices of bread

> is a serving for him.

>

> Please further clarify...

>

> Thanks again,

> Eliezer

>

>

> On 6/4/07, KelleyBFLaol (DOT) <mailto:KelleyBFL%40aol.com> com <KelleyBFLaol (DOT)

<mailto:KelleyBFL%40aol.com> com> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I shoot for 20g of protein and carbs for ALL meals, liquid or solid.?

> > The size of my palm (excluding the fingers) equals about 3 oz of

chicken,

> > beef, fish, or pork which is about 20 g of protein.? My hand may be

> > exceptionally smaller than yours which would cause the size of the

portion

> > to be significantly smaller compared to your portion.? The measurement

is

> > relative to your body which makes it very personalized.

> >

> > Kelley

> > Beginning Weight: 149 lbs.? Current Weight:147.5

> > Goal Race: Hocking Hills 40K Trail Indian Run, Sep 22

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, you are right in that sense Eliezer.? When I did my first 2 12-week BFL

challenges, I used the palm/fist measurement method only.? However, after doing

two 12-week rounds of BFL and having reached a weight loss plateau, I began

working more with actual calorie counts which resulted in smaller than the

clenched fist measurements of food.?

Using your example of bread, a single slice of Healthnut bread is 18 carbs.? I

generally will only have one slice of bread in a meal.? With tuna salad, a slice

of tomato, and lettuce, I usually have a 40%/40%/20% balance of

protein/carbs/fats and calories in the 200-300 range.? I eat Stoned Ground

Crackers (brand) and eat only 3 rectangular crackers for the correct number of

carbs.? BTW, I am a 5'5 " female with a weight of 149.

Kelley

Beginning Weight: 149 lbs.

Goal Race: Hocking Hills 40K Trail Indian Run, Sep 22

Re: Introducing myself; a few questions_Eliezer

Kelley, even for someone with a small hand... Take a look at the serving

size on crackers. See what 20g of carbs is. Your hand cannot be the size

of those few crackers. I remember in the book, Bill says 2 slices of bread

is a serving for him.

Please further clarify...

Thanks again,

Eliezer

>

>

> I shoot for 20g of protein and carbs for ALL meals, liquid or solid.? The

> size of my palm (excluding the fingers) equals about 3 oz of chicken, beef,

> fish, or pork which is about 20 g of protein.? My hand may be exceptionally

> smaller than yours which would cause the size of the portion to be

> significantly smaller compared to your portion.? The measurement is relative

> to your body which makes it very personalized.

>

> Kelley

> Beginning Weight: 149 lbs.? Current Weight:147.5

> Goal Race: Hocking Hills 40K Trail Indian Run, Sep 22

[Guest guest]

Ummmm............Eliezer..............you can MEASURE them too, you know. Rice

is about 20g carb per 1/2 cup. So, measure out 1/2 cup and you have your 20

carbs. A can of green beans is approx. 15 carbs...........need 25 carbs????

Have half a can of green beans and a scant 1/2 cup of rice. It really isn't

hard if you stop and think about it. I think that business of " palm sized " and

" deck of cards " size..........sheesh..............weigh or measure, already and

quit guessing. And you HAVE to read labels, no way around it. Sorry if I

sound blunt, but if you want to succeed, you have to make your mind up that you

have to do these things. Same way with the workouts............I get so tired

of people whining that they " just don't have time " to do a workout. If I have

time, anybody has time, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IT! Sure, some days I don't

" want " to do it, but I suck it up and do it anyway. Especially

tomorrow............it is my 900 ab rep day. Don't wanna, but if I want a 6

pack (and I don't mean alcoholic ones) I get my lardass upstairs and do 'em.

Yeah, yeah, I know, I sound like a D. I. That's why the workout room is " The

Torture Chamber " .........LOL

Z

Re: Introducing myself; a few questions_Eliezer

To clarify: my goal is not to determine how many crackers-big Kelley's hand

is. :-)

If we are to assume that a carb serving is the size of one's hand - and I'll

go with the two slices of bread mentioned in the book - then how do I

convert that to liquid? Do I use the whole wheat bread that I'm

eating, i.e. 14g

carbs per slice x 2 slices = 28g. And so 28g of carbs is my liquid

serving? Or do I estimate with crackers (about 8 of the crackers I like

approximately equals the size of my hand) - and come up with 44g of carbs as

a serving?

I'm really confused on this issue...

Eliezer

>

> Kelley, even for someone with a small hand... Take a look at the serving

> size on crackers. See what 20g of carbs is. Your hand cannot be the size

> of those few crackers. I remember in the book, Bill says 2 slices of bread

> is a serving for him.

>

> Please further clarify...

>

> Thanks again,

> Eliezer

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > I shoot for 20g of protein and carbs for ALL meals, liquid or solid.?

> > The size of my palm (excluding the fingers) equals about 3 oz of chicken,

> > beef, fish, or pork which is about 20 g of protein.? My hand may be

> > exceptionally smaller than yours which would cause the size of the portion

> > to be significantly smaller compared to your portion.? The measurement is

> > relative to your body which makes it very personalized.

> >

> > Kelley

> > Beginning Weight: 149 lbs.? Current Weight:147.5

> > Goal Race: Hocking Hills 40K Trail Indian Run, Sep 22

>

>

[Guest guest]

Eliezer, you are making this too hard! I'll give you the crackers as

long as they are 100% whole grain. Just estimate sizes and you'll be

fine for most foods. Otherwise, use your good judgment and if in

doubt, err on the side of caution.

, I think it really depends on the kind of bread. The kind I

buy is more like 2 slices for a serving.

Andy

[Guest guest]

Good advice on weiging. I have a kitchen scale sitting right next to

the stove and just weigh or measure things out like meat, veggies,

oatmeal, and pasta, etc. It's very simple and then you know exactly

how much you are getting. Otherwise, I might tend to overestimate.

The hand/palm method though is great if you are eating out or not at

home and don't want people to look strangely at you when you pull out

your scale.

I've finally started doing 2 weight workouts per week again. On

Monday night, I really wanted to take a nap, but dragged myself

outside for a 4 mile run. Ended up feeling much better and was

productive before I went to bed so actually doing the workout made

more time. Otherwise, I would have just laid on the couch and fallen

asleep.

Andy

>

> Ummmm............Eliezer..............you can MEASURE them too, you

know. Rice is about 20g carb per 1/2 cup. So, measure out 1/2 cup

and you have your 20 carbs. A can of green beans is approx. 15

carbs...........need 25 carbs???? Have half a can of green beans and

a scant 1/2 cup of rice. It really isn't hard if you stop and think

about it. I think that business of " palm sized " and " deck of cards "

size..........sheesh..............weigh or measure, already and quit

guessing. And you HAVE to read labels, no way around it. Sorry if I

sound blunt, but if you want to succeed, you have to make your mind up

that you have to do these things. Same way with the

workouts............I get so tired of people whining that they " just

don't have time " to do a workout. If I have time, anybody has time,

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IT! Sure, some days I don't " want " to do

it, but I suck it up and do it anyway. Especially

tomorrow............it is my 900 ab rep day. Don't wanna, but if I

want a 6 pack (and I don't mean alcoholic ones) I get my lardass

upstairs and do 'em. Yeah, yeah, I know, I sound like a D. I.

That's why the workout room is " The Torture Chamber " .........LOL

>

> Z

[Guest guest]

Here's how I would do it, but it isn't the BFL hand/fist/palm method.

If you are trying to lose fat, I would take your estimate goal

weight, and divide by 6. Eat approximately that many grams of carbs.

You'll have to read the labels to figure it out. You can do the same

for protein. Just remember, feel free to fine tune this to your own

specifications.

When following BFL I believe for most people grams carbs = protein.

Some people actually eat more protein and some eat more carbs. I tend

to go towards the side of more carbs since fat loss is no longer a

major goal for me.

Andy

>

> I'm willing to accept that I'm over-complicating the carb and protein

> serving sizes. But my question is simple - *what should it be?* If

not the

> palm / fist estimation method, how *do* I know how many *grams* it

should

> be?

> Eliezer