Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

October 12, 2009

You can get herb books in the public library and purchase them on-line or from

health food stores. A good source for organically grown and strong enough to

work can be gotten from American Botanical Pharmacy for formulas and for

individual herbs the Pacific Botanicals. I have a phone # for them -

. They collect and sell only wild-harvested and organically grown

herbs. You may have to go in with someone to get them because they sell

wholesale and in 1-pound quantities.

Many prayers and blessings for doing what may work better for your body.

Jill in TX

> >> >

> >> > Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

> >> >

> >> > My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

> >> >

> >> > learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

> >> >

> >> > Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this

at

> >> the

> >> >

> >> > Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

> >> >

> >> > In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out

what

> >> is

> >> >

> >> > causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an

airborn

> >> virus and that

> >> >

> >> > it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated

> >> like lepers now?

> >> >

> >> > Please take a look at the following link.

> >> >

> >> > http://www.prohealt h.com/library/ showarticle. cfm?libid= 14913

> >> >

> >> > Hugs to you all,

> >> >

> >> > Carol Ann

> >> >

> >

>

October 12, 2009

That's great information, an alkaline body doesn't get colds as easily and I

think I've read that it just functions better overall. It's the fizzy stuff in

it that makes it more fun to drink. Ok, so I'm a bit of a kid about it. LOL.

> >> >

> >> > Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

> >> >

> >> > My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

> >> >

> >> > learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

> >> >

> >> > Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this

at

> >> the

> >> >

> >> > Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

> >> >

> >> > In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out

what

> >> is

> >> >

> >> > causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an

airborn

> >> virus and that

> >> >

> >> > it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated

> >> like lepers now?

> >> >

> >> > Please take a look at the following link.

> >> >

> >> > http://www.prohealt h.com/library/ showarticle. cfm?libid= 14913

> >> >

> >> > Hugs to you all,

> >> >

> >> > Carol Ann

> >> >

> >

>

October 12, 2009

OK, do you put some essential oil in a carrier and then apply it to your feet?

When I tried that in the past, I could taste it within a few seconds. I didn't

know it was for pain relief - I used it to help me sleep - but of course less

pain means less tension in the muscles which may have been why I could sleep. I

have also done lavender baths and soaks in hot to warm water.

Jill in TX

> >> >

> >> > Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

> >> >

> >> > My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

> >> >

> >> > learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

> >> >

> >> > Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this

at

> >> the

> >> >

> >> > Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

> >> >

> >> > In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out

what

> >> is

> >> >

> >> > causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an

airborn

> >> virus and that

> >> >

> >> > it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated

> >> like lepers now?

> >> >

> >> > Please take a look at the following link.

> >> >

> >> > http://www.prohealt h.com/library/ showarticle. cfm?libid= 14913

> >> >

> >> > Hugs to you all,

> >> >

> >> > Carol Ann

> >> >

> >

>

October 12, 2009

Gotcha girl! I think it's funny too. " Now how am I going to get her to stop

running in circles or trying to do stuff that isn't necessary, maybe He said.

Jill in TX

> >

> > Hi Carol,

> >

> > Please take a deep breath. How long have you known you had Fibro and CFS?

> > I don't know of people that have died directly from Fibro and CFS. Maybe

> > some have died from the hard core meds they take for it though. You can't

> > even compare these to the Hiv virus. Don't focus on these conditions but

> > instead learn how to get your immune system working at an optimal level.

Read

> > the book " Never Be Sick Again " and you will learn how to do this. Take baby

> > steps and go from there. I just finished the book and that's what I'm

> > doing. Healthy people usually don't get sick. There is one disease: cellular

> > malfunction. Two causes:: Toxins and Deficiency. Six pathways:

psychological,

> > nutrition, physical, medical, genes, and toxicity.

> >

> > I would also do a good colon and then a liver cleanse. I have done Dr.

> > Natura's in the past and really felt a difference. Although don't do a liver

> > cleanse if you have silver fillings. They have mercury in them and some of

> > the ingredients will redistribute the mercury. Read up on the why you

> > should cleanse. It's not a scam, it's vital for good health.

> >

> > You must really miss your husband. I don't know how the spouses do it but I

> > thank you and your husband. In my opinion you're both serving our country.

> > ;-)

> >

> > Tammy

> >

> > In a message dated 10/10/2009 12:20:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > CarolGowin@ .. writes:

> >

> > I have both too, and I have no clue how to break this open to

> >

> > my husband. He's still in Iraq. How the heck can i tell him that we

> >

> > might possibly have a virus that is like the hiv virus.

> >

> > Carol

> >

October 12, 2009

'HA!',

As I sit on my sore buttocks.

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

To: fibromyalgiacured

Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:09 PM

Gotcha girl! I think it's funny too. " Now how am I going to get her to stop

running in circles or trying to do stuff that isn't necessary, maybe He said.

Jill in TX

> >

> > Hi Carol,

> >

> > Please take a deep breath. How long have you known you had Fibro and CFS?

> > I don't know of people that have died directly from Fibro and CFS. Maybe

> > some have died from the hard core meds they take for it though. You can't

> > even compare these to the Hiv virus. Don't focus on these conditions but

> > instead learn how to get your immune system working at an optimal level.

Read

> > the book " Never Be Sick Again " and you will learn how to do this. Take baby

> > steps and go from there. I just finished the book and that's what I'm

> > doing. Healthy people usually don't get sick. There is one disease: cellular

> > malfunction. Two causes:: Toxins and Deficiency. Six pathways:

psychological,

> > nutrition, physical, medical, genes, and toxicity.

> >

> > I would also do a good colon and then a liver cleanse. I have done Dr.

> > Natura's in the past and really felt a difference. Although don't do a liver

> > cleanse if you have silver fillings. They have mercury in them and some of

> > the ingredients will redistribute the mercury. Read up on the why you

> > should cleanse. It's not a scam, it's vital for good health.

> >

> > You must really miss your husband. I don't know how the spouses do it but I

> > thank you and your husband. In my opinion you're both serving our country.

> > ;-)

> >

> > Tammy

> >

> > In a message dated 10/10/2009 12:20:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > CarolGowin@ .. writes:

> >

> > I have both too, and I have no clue how to break this open to

> >

> > my husband. He's still in Iraq. How the heck can i tell him that we

> >

> > might possibly have a virus that is like the hiv virus.

> >

> > Carol

> >

October 12, 2009

I guess I missed something. I am having problems with one of my feet and would

be interested in what you mean by a carrier and what concoction I should mix up

to put in it. Thanks!!

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

To: fibromyalgiacured

Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 10:32 PM

OK, do you put some essential oil in a carrier and then apply it to your feet?

When I tried that in the past, I could taste it within a few seconds. I didn't

know it was for pain relief - I used it to help me sleep - but of course less

pain means less tension in the muscles which may have been why I could sleep. I

have also done lavender baths and soaks in hot to warm water.

Jill in TX

> >> >

> >> > Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

> >> >

> >> > My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

> >> >

> >> > learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

> >> >

> >> > Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this

at

> >> the

> >> >

> >> > Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

> >> >

> >> > In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out

what

> >> is

> >> >

> >> > causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an

airborn

> >> virus and that

> >> >

> >> > it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated

> >> like lepers now?

> >> >

> >> > Please take a look at the following link.

> >> >

> >> > http://www.prohealt h.com/library/ showarticle. cfm?libid= 14913

> >> >

> >> > Hugs to you all,

> >> >

> >> > Carol Ann

> >> >

> >

>

October 13, 2009

I call it a tired tush. But it does get painful, yes.

> >

> > Not making lite of your note, Jill, but you made me see something funny.

> > In your sentence, " Our Heavenly Father had advised us to not attempt to run

faster than we have to.... " I laughed seeing myself trying to run as my

buttocks are in pain( that's where my fibro begins). You are correct Our Father

knows what is best for us...maybe to learn the lessons of patience, kindness,

and Love.

> > Love,

> > M

> >

October 13, 2009

A carrier oil is just an oil you have put a drop or so of an essential oil. I

use whatever I have, but olive oil is recommended by some people. It doesn't

take much of the essential oil at all.

Jill in TX

> > >> >

> > >> > Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

> > >> >

> > >> > My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

> > >> >

> > >> > learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

> > >> >

> > >> > Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this

at

> > >> the

> > >> >

> > >> > Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

> > >> >

> > >> > In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out

what

> > >> is

> > >> >

> > >> > causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an

airborn

> > >> virus and that

> > >> >

> > >> > it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated

> > >> like lepers now?

> > >> >

> > >> > Please take a look at the following link.

> > >> >

> > >> > http://www.prohealt h.com/library/ showarticle. cfm?libid= 14913

> > >> >

> > >> > Hugs to you all,

> > >> >

> > >> > Carol Ann

> > >> >

> > >

> >

October 13, 2009

Hey Carol: you are right. These could be added to Jill¹s cocktail also.

Now there¹s a cocktail worth drinking.

>

> I'm into herbal healing as well, and would like to point out that,

>

> also curcumin, turmeric, and cinnamon are also great for helping

>

> fighting off unwanted nastys in our bodies.

>

> Fennel,, and also Taragon are great for making tea, so is Ginger.

>

> All very healing.

>

> Carol

>

> To: fibromyalgiacured

> <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: rosemarie@... <mailto:rosemarie%40intnet.net>

> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:29:00 -0400

> Subject: Re: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

>

> Hey Jill. If you look up viruses and holistic solutions for them you are

> doing a bunch of them. Onion, garlic ginger horseradish and cayenne pepper

> are all antifungal and help break up viruses.

>

> There is NO known drug for viruses. It is a weak immune system that allows

> them to get out of hand. They live in our body all the time, but when we

> get weak they get a toe hold and then multiply.

>

> So, keep your cocktail going. Hey, can you send me how much of this and

> that you put in there. I think I will give it a shot myself.

>

> Thanks Jill

>

> On 10/10/09 4:50 PM, " Jill3809 " <gray04red@...

> <mailto:gray04red%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

>

>> >

>> > If I understood the writing correctly. The retroviruses only activate other

>> > viruses. So, we should not worry about being quarantined. If this helps

>> solve

>> > how the disorder is activated, and moves in the body, it may help us to get

>> > another way to help ourselves.

>> >

>> > OK, more information in our arsenal against this.

>> >

>> > Currently I am going to take more doses of my concentrated black cherry

>> juice

>> > and Apple Cider Vinegar with the garlic, onion, ginger, horseradish,

>> cayenne

>> > pepper in it. I think I will also increase to two doses a day of the

>> Fatigued

>> > to Fantasic supplements - I also take deribose. Lately I find myself not

>> > having the energy levels I usually have in the fall and winter. I am still

>> > taking Aleve BID and

>> > also the Alteril that has Tryptophan in it to avoid falling into

>> depression.

>> >

>> > I intend to find a way to avoid the spring fibroflare and problem with

>> > cognition that comes with it.

>> >

>> > Jill in TX

>> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered

>>>> this at

>>> >> the

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out

what

>>> >> is

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an

>>>> airborn

>>> >> virus and that

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get

>>>> treated

>>> >> like lepers now?

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Please take a look at the following link.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=14913

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Hugs to you all,

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Carol Ann

>>>> >> >

>> >

>

October 13, 2009

HI Joanne:

Yes, I do kind of feel like this is a virus like Carol¹s article said. The

natural solutions for viruses are listed on the web if you check it out.

Jill¹s cocktail of cayenne, onion, garlic etc Add to that the tumeric and

cinnamon mentioned and you would have a good virus smasher. LOL

I am trying oil of oregano, devils claw, cayenne, etc. so, check it out and

look in your cupboard you may have all you need to get at this virus and put

it back in its place.

>

> I have to agree with you o this Roasemarie. It iseems that every other week

> there is yet another theory about this illness. I think we have been told it

> is everything from imagination to permanent disability. 90% of what i have

> heard and read has been complete nonsense. even if in time some of this stuff

> turns out to be true it is so wide spread now i can see nothing that anybody

> can do to prevent it.

>

> As i watch my daughter struggle with this symptom and that symptom I can only

> live in hope that she does not get the full blown thing

>

> Personally i think we may well have a virus or something similar. I feel like

> something alien is living in me but what can i do. it would be great to take a

> medication that kills it off or it simply die away but that is not happening,

> for now

>

> What i can do for my daughter is encourage her to look after herself in the

> same way that we all do. i believe that even whe they do come up with the

> cause and a proper diagnosis they are not going to come up with a better

> treatment that they things we use

>

> And besides, as bad as the illness is, there is little in life quit as

> beautiful than sharing all this stuff with fellow sufferers

>

> As i always say, these things have mor eto do with the spirit than the flesh

>

> Joanne

>

> ________________________________

> From: Rosemarie Tropf <rosemarie@... <mailto:rosemarie%40intnet.net> >

> To: fibromyalgiacured

> <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Sunday, 11 October, 2009 16:24:24

> Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

>

> Oh no do not do that Carol. I think there are ways to say things that are

> positive and some are way too negative. Also, I think to compare it to HIV

> is a little over dramatic. I sense your fear but do not go there ok? Just

> be calm and follow the article and research. They said that they do not

> know if this virus causes chronic fatigue. They only know people with

> chronic fatigue have it. Also, there is a huge connection to celiac, and

> stomach stuff with viruses.

>

> So, just rest easy, let not yur heart be troubled. This is only one article

> and its incomplete at this point.

>

> Do not disturb your husband like this. He has enough on his plate right

> now. Send him love and care and that is all. There is plenty of time when

> he gets home to check this out further. It is incomplete at this point. Do

> not jump the gun ok?

>

> On 10/10/09 1:19 PM, " Carol Gowin " <CarolGowinhotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

>> >

>> > I have both too, and I have no clue how to break this open to

>> >

>> > my husband. He's still in Iraq. How the heck can i tell him that we

>> >

>> > might possibly have a virus that is like the hiv virus.

>> >

>> > Carol

>> >

>> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>> > From: tammyco5aol (DOT) com <mailto:tammyco5% 40aol.com>

>> > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:34:32 -0400

>> > Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia. ....Is a Retrovirus

>> >

>> > Unfortunately like you I have both.

>> >

>> > Tammy

>> >

>> > In a message dated 10/10/2009 9:55:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

>> > rosemarieintnet (DOT) net <mailto:rosemarie% 40intnet. net> writes:

>> >

>> > They are still doing studies, plus they said its about chronic fatigue not

>> > exactly fibro in the article. So if you have fibro, but not chronic

>> > fatigue, it would not apply to you.

>> >

October 13, 2009

How do you take lavender ? Like a skin cream? Or a tea?

>

> lavender is the best for pain relief.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Joanne Ford <joannesford@... <mailto:joannesford%40yahoo.co.uk>

> >

> To: fibromyalgiacured

> <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:30:32 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

>

> Please keep sharing about the herbs and spices. I am just learnig about this

> stuff and find it facinating. My instincts tell me wht you are saying is true

> and the more i hear about this i see the wisdom in it

>

> Kindest Regards

>

> Joanne

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Carol Gowin <CarolGowinhotmail (DOT) com>

> To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Sunday, 11 October, 2009 17:22:42

> Subject: RE: Re: Fibromyalgia. ....Is a Retrovirus

>

> I'm into herbal healing as well, and would like to point out that,

>

> also curcumin, turmeric, and cinnamon are also great for helping

>

> fighting off unwanted nastys in our bodies.

>

> Fennel,, and also Taragon are great for making tea, so is Ginger.

>

> All very healing.

>

> Carol

>

> To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

> From: rosemarieintnet (DOT) net

> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:29:00 -0400

> Subject: Re: Re: Fibromyalgia. ....Is a Retrovirus

>

> Hey Jill. If you look up viruses and holistic solutions for them you are

> doing a bunch of them. Onion, garlic ginger horseradish and cayenne pepper

> are all antifungal and help break up viruses.

>

> There is NO known drug for viruses. It is a weak immune system that allows

> them to get out of hand. They live in our body all the time, but when we

> get weak they get a toe hold and then multiply.

>

> So, keep your cocktail going. Hey, can you send me how much of this and

> that you put in there. I think I will give it a shot myself.

>

> Thanks Jill

>

> On 10/10/09 4:50 PM, " Jill3809 " <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

>

>> >

>> > If I understood the writing correctly. The retroviruses only activate other

>> > viruses. So, we should not worry about being quarantined. If this helps

>> solve

>> > how the disorder is activated, and moves in the body, it may help us to get

>> > another way to help ourselves.

>> >

>> > OK, more information in our arsenal against this.

>> >

>> > Currently I am going to take more doses of my concentrated black cherry

>> juice

>> > and Apple Cider Vinegar with the garlic, onion, ginger, horseradish,

>> cayenne

>> > pepper in it. I think I will also increase to two doses a day of the

>> Fatigued

>> > to Fantasic supplements - I also take deribose. Lately I find myself not

>> > having the energy levels I usually have in the fall and winter. I am still

>> > taking Aleve BID and

>> > also the Alteril that has Tryptophan in it to avoid falling into

>> depression.

>> >

>> > I intend to find a way to avoid the spring fibroflare and problem with

>> > cognition that comes with it.

>> >

>> > Jill in TX

>> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered

>>>> this at

>>> >> the

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out

what

>>> >> is

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an

>>>> airborn

>>> >> virus and that

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get

>>>> treated

>>> >> like lepers now?

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Please take a look at the following link.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > http://www.prohealt h.com/library/ showarticle. cfm?libid= 14913

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Hugs to you all,

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Carol Ann

>>>> >> >

>> >

>

October 13, 2009

Hi maria:

I did not know you have a son in Iraq. Oh my. That is a stressor in itself

is it not. Well you are a strong mom to have that going on.

I agree, we need to wait and see what they find. They said they found this

virus in 67 percent of chronic fatigue sufferers and only 3 percent of

healthy people. However, they also said that they do not know if this virus

CAUSES chronic fatigue. So, they are still researching this information.

However, that being said, I figured why not take any natural anti viral I

can find. Like the cayenne pepper, oil or oregano, onions, garlic etc. it

can¹t hurt and its anti fungal as well so good for candida.

Have a great day.

>

> I agree, one thing we do not want to put any one of our military more stress

> during the battlefield tour. Can you imagine someone being distracted in the

> same time while trying to fight the enemy? I feel a little free to see this

> since my son is also in Iraq. Pardon me if I sound too strong.

> Wait until and make sure we know the TRUTH. I say these studies are still

> theories. I have heard so much in the thirty five years I have had this

> desease.

> Wait until all facts are found.

> Lovingly,

> M

>

>> >

>> > I have both too, and I have no clue how to break this open to

>> >

>> > my husband. He's still in Iraq. How the heck can i tell him that we

>> >

>> > might possibly have a virus that is like the hiv virus.

>> >

>> > Carol

>> >

>> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>> > From: tammyco5aol (DOT) com <mailto:tammyco5% 40aol.com>

>> > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:34:32 -0400

>> > Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia. ....Is a Retrovirus

>> >

>> > Unfortunately like you I have both.

>> >

>> > Tammy

>> >

>> > In a message dated 10/10/2009 9:55:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

>> > rosemarieintnet (DOT) net <mailto:rosemarie% 40intnet. net> writes:

>> >

>> > They are still doing studies, plus they said its about chronic fatigue not

>> > exactly fibro in the article. So if you have fibro, but not chronic

>> > fatigue, it would not apply to you.

>> >

October 13, 2009

Hear! Hear!!! I agree

>

> Not making lite of your note, Jill, but you made me see something funny.

> In your sentence, " Our Heavenly Father had advised us to not attempt to run

> faster than we have to.... " I laughed seeing myself trying to run as my

> buttocks are in pain( that's where my fibro begins). You are correct Our

> Father knows what is best for us...maybe to learn the lessons of patience,

> kindness, and Love.

> Love,

> M

>

> From: Jill3809 <gray04red@... <mailto:gray04red%40yahoo.com> >

> Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

> To: fibromyalgiacured

> <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 4:12 PM

>

> Good information here, I concur.

>

> This disease is not a death sentence for the afflicted nor for the family.

>

> Personally, I have learned a lot about myself under this condition. Because of

> the pain, I have learned to be patient with myself, to not judge against

> myself, to avoid comparing myself with others. The varying levels of

> functionality have taught me to seize each day and to celebrate whatever I can

> do each day.

>

> I do what I can each day and then let go of the self- imposed necessity to do

> more than I can. Heavenly Father has advised us to not attempt to run faster

> than we are able. Well, this is one condition that teaches me what that really

> means each day.

>

> I have to stay close to Heavenly Father to get through each day - but that's

> for every human anyway.

>

> What have the people around me learned? They learn to love me just the way I

> am - not for what I can do for them. Then they can also give that to

> themselves and others. To give loving service, to look at their judgments of

> me, themselves and anyone else.

>

> I've had this disorder for so many years. I want to be more functional too. I

> tend to note the symptoms and then look for answers. I found in the library

> the Fibromyalgia Advocate book in the large book area, it is written by

> doctors who have written the text books used to teach about this disease.

> There actually are classes for the students now. The doctors are being

> encouraged to treat this holistically.

>

> Mostly what I have seen working better is a diet high in vegetables and fruits

> - fresher the better even if they get cooked to eat. Enough protein for your

> body so the body can break it down to get the amino acids needed.

>

> My body has absorption problems due to allergies to wheat, rye and barley. I

> have checked myself with corn, soy etc and I can eat them as long as I don't

> overdo it. At my age, my intestines may not recover completely, so I take

> liquid multivitamins and minerals.

>

> I take supplements that have nutrients which are in a form that the body can

> absorb, since my body has trouble absorbing them from foods.

>

> Avoiding toxin-laden beverages like alcohol helps tremendously. Taking in

> clean beverages like water helps too. An inexpensive way to filter the water,

> if necessary, is with something you can attach to your faucet.

>

> Today I woke up with a headache and the common pains throughout my body - that

> means to me that I need to increase the water.

>

> Carol, my heart goes out to you. Keep in prayer so you don't get into a state

> of mind where this seems worse than it actually is. Please allow yourself to

> learn how this disease affects you as an individual.

>

> We are all with you in this, I will add you in my prayers.

>

> Jill in TX

>

>> >

>> > Hi Carol,

>> >

>> > Please take a deep breath. How long have you known you had Fibro and CFS?

>> > I don't know of people that have died directly from Fibro and CFS. Maybe

>> > some have died from the hard core meds they take for it though. You can't

>> > even compare these to the Hiv virus. Don't focus on these conditions but

>> > instead learn how to get your immune system working at an optimal level.

>> Read

>> > the book " Never Be Sick Again " and you will learn how to do this. Take baby

>> > steps and go from there. I just finished the book and that's what I'm

>> > doing. Healthy people usually don't get sick. There is one disease:

>> cellular

>> > malfunction. Two causes:: Toxins and Deficiency. Six pathways:

>> psychological,

>> > nutrition, physical, medical, genes, and toxicity.

>> >

>> > I would also do a good colon and then a liver cleanse. I have done Dr.

>> > Natura's in the past and really felt a difference. Although don't do a

>> liver

>> > cleanse if you have silver fillings. They have mercury in them and some of

>> > the ingredients will redistribute the mercury. Read up on the why you

>> > should cleanse. It's not a scam, it's vital for good health.

>> >

>> > You must really miss your husband. I don't know how the spouses do it but I

>> > thank you and your husband. In my opinion you're both serving our country.

>> > ;-)

>> >

>> > Tammy

>> >

>> > In a message dated 10/10/2009 12:20:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

>> > CarolGowin@. .. writes:

>> >

>> > I have both too, and I have no clue how to break this open to

>> >

>> > my husband. He's still in Iraq. How the heck can i tell him that we

>> >

>> > might possibly have a virus that is like the hiv virus.

>> >

>> > Carol

>> >

October 13, 2009

Thank you, Rosemarie, I think I will take the precautionary measures.

Yes, my son is on his fourth deployment there but, honestly, I have placed it in

Our Lord's Hands...so far God has taken care of my son. He will be back home by

the end of November.

By the way, did you ever receive the attachments on your personal email???

M

>

>> >

>> > I have both too, and I have no clue how to break this open to

>> >

>> > my husband. He's still in Iraq. How the heck can i tell him that we

>> >

>> > might possibly have a virus that is like the hiv virus.

>> >

>> > Carol

>> >

>> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>> > From: tammyco5aol (DOT) com <mailto:tammyco5% 40aol.com>

>> > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:34:32 -0400

>> > Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia. ....Is a Retrovirus

>> >

>> > Unfortunately like you I have both.

>> >

>> > Tammy

>> >

>> > In a message dated 10/10/2009 9:55:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

>> > rosemarieintnet (DOT) net <mailto:rosemarie% 40intnet. net> writes:

>> >

>> > They are still doing studies, plus they said its about chronic fatigue not

>> > exactly fibro in the article. So if you have fibro, but not chronic

>> > fatigue, it would not apply to you.

>> >

October 13, 2009

Thank you Jill I wrote it down and I will try it.

>

> Fist off, I want you to know I don't have any financial interest in these

> companies at all. I have used the information and gotten fairly good results.

> I need to increase the amounts I use.

>

> I have seen a report from one person from our group who said she got great

> pain-relieving.

>

> I'd be happy to give the recipe. It's from Dr. Shultz's book and video. He

> also has a web site.

>

> I'm telling you this due to copyright infringement laws.

>

> What I did is on the New Moon - It is advised to use the freshest, organically

> grown herbs for this.

> (I may have adjusted this to my taste a bit - and I could only find some of

> these in the regular supermarket).

> I ground up in my blender: 1 handful or approximately 1 cup of chopped onion

> (a hot white kind - not the yellow or sweet Valencia etc), a chopped entire

> large head of garlic (NOT elephant garlic), Chinese horseradish 1/2 of a root

> chopped, habanero and jalapeno peppers seeds and all chopped - about 1 cup, a

> hunk of ginger the size of my palm peeled and chopped up.

> I filled the blender almost to the top with Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar

>

> So, you will probably need to protect yourself by not touching any mucus

> membranes or your eyes while doing the chopping of the peppers.

>

> You put it in a glass container that has a lid and let it sit in a dark

> cupboard until the full moon.

>

> You then have a choice - strain out the vegetables and herbs or leave them in.

> It is hot, tangy and tasty.

>

> To use it - begin with 1 dropper-full and then increase as you desire.

> Distilled water is recommended to drink it in.

>

> I have however put honey in it as well as my black cherry concentrate (I still

> get a warm flash) and I have been known to put 2-3 droppers full into my

> sodas. I can then justify them. LOL.

>

> If you don't want to deal with all that you can order it exclusively from:

> American Botanical Pharmacy.

> Call 800-HerbDoc. Fax or write: P.O. Box 3628, Santa , CA

> 90408. From the user manual pg 109.

>

> I got the information from a video and book called " When Nothing Else

> Works...Top Ten Herbs to CURE Big Diseases.

>

> The Author is Sam Biser, the publisher is Save Your Life Videos, Inc. I don't

> know the publishing date.

>

> The video and user manual can be purchased from Save Your Life Viceos, P.O.

> Box 8122, Van Nuys, CA 91409-8122.

>

> I hope this information works for you.

>

> Jill in TX

>

>> >

>>> > >

>>> > > If I understood the writing correctly. The retroviruses only activate

>>> other

>>> > > viruses. So, we should not worry about being quarantined. If this helps

>>> solve

>>> > > how the disorder is activated, and moves in the body, it may help us to

get

>>> > > another way to help ourselves.

>>> > >

>>> > > OK, more information in our arsenal against this.

>>> > >

>>> > > Currently I am going to take more doses of my concentrated black cherry

>>> juice

>>> > > and Apple Cider Vinegar with the garlic, onion, ginger, horseradish,

>>> cayenne

>>> > > pepper in it. I think I will also increase to two doses a day of the

>>> Fatigued

>>> > > to Fantasic supplements - I also take deribose. Lately I find myself not

>>> > > having the energy levels I usually have in the fall and winter. I am >>>

still

>>> > > taking Aleve BID and

>>> > > also the Alteril that has Tryptophan in it to avoid falling into

>>> depression.

>>> > >

>>> > > I intend to find a way to avoid the spring fibroflare and problem with

>>> > > cognition that comes with it.

>>> > >

>>> > > Jill in TX

>

October 13, 2009

Hi maria:

Your son returns end of November? Wow. That must be exciting.

I am not sure which attachments you mean? Your art? I did receive those

and I sent you an email twice saying that. Did you receive those? Are do

you mean other attachments?

>

> Thank you, Rosemarie, I think I will take the precautionary measures.

> Yes, my son is on his fourth deployment there but, honestly, I have placed it

> in Our Lord's Hands...so far God has taken care of my son. He will be back

> home by the end of November.

> By the way, did you ever receive the attachments on your personal email???

> M

>

>> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > I have both too, and I have no clue how to break this open to

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > my husband. He's still in Iraq. How the heck can i tell him that we

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > might possibly have a virus that is like the hiv virus.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Carol

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>> >> > From: tammyco5aol (DOT) com <mailto:tammyco5% 40aol.com>

>>>> >> > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:34:32 -0400

>>>> >> > Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia. ....Is a Retrovirus

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Unfortunately like you I have both.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Tammy

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > In a message dated 10/10/2009 9:55:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

>>>> >> > rosemarieintnet (DOT) net <mailto:rosemarie% 40intnet. net> writes:

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > They are still doing studies, plus they said its about chronic fatigue

not

>>>> >> > exactly fibro in the article. So if you have fibro, but not chronic

>>>> >> > fatigue, it would not apply to you.

>>>> >> >

October 13, 2009

Thanks!! I'll have to try that.

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

To: fibromyalgiacured

Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 10:59 AM

A carrier oil is just an oil you have put a drop or so of an essential oil. I

use whatever I have, but olive oil is recommended by some people. It doesn't

take much of the essential oil at all.

Jill in TX

> > >> >

> > >> > Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

> > >> >

> > >> > My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

> > >> >

> > >> > learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

> > >> >

> > >> > Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this

at

> > >> the

> > >> >

> > >> > Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

> > >> >

> > >> > In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out

what

> > >> is

> > >> >

> > >> > causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an

airborn

> > >> virus and that

> > >> >

> > >> > it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated

> > >> like lepers now?

> > >> >

> > >> > Please take a look at the following link.

> > >> >

> > >> > http://www.prohealt h.com/library/ showarticle. cfm?libid= 14913

> > >> >

> > >> > Hugs to you all,

> > >> >

> > >> > Carol Ann

> > >> >

> > >

> >

October 13, 2009

I guess you didn't receive the attachments with the questions you are asking. I

sent a couple of cute short clips of art ideas from other artists just to surge

the creative juices to explore and create. I sent it through your private email.

I am going to use another address I have, maybe yahoo is just not allowing any

other emails to go through concerning members.

M

>> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > I have both too, and I have no clue how to break this open to

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > my husband. He's still in Iraq. How the heck can i tell him that we

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > might possibly have a virus that is like the hiv virus.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Carol

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>> >> > From: tammyco5aol (DOT) com <mailto:tammyco5% 40aol.com>

>>>> >> > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:34:32 -0400

>>>> >> > Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia. ....Is a Retrovirus

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Unfortunately like you I have both.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Tammy

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > In a message dated 10/10/2009 9:55:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

>>>> >> > rosemarieintnet (DOT) net <mailto:rosemarie% 40intnet. net> writes:

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > They are still doing studies, plus they said its about chronic fatigue

not

>>>> >> > exactly fibro in the article. So if you have fibro, but not chronic

>>>> >> > fatigue, it would not apply to you.

>>>> >> >

October 15, 2009

lotion, in your bath, get a body spray that havs lavender. I use moonliget path

lotion, bath, and spray. They also have aromatheraphy at bath and body works,

expensive but worth it!

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 4:08:03 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

How do you take lavender ? Like a skin cream? Or a tea?

On 10/11/09 2:12 PM, " Breeden " <november172007@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> lavender is the best for pain relief.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Joanne Ford <joannesford@ yahoo.co. uk <mailto:joannesford %40yahoo.

co.uk>

> >

> To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

> <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 12:30:32 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Fibromyalgia. ....Is a Retrovirus

>

> Please keep sharing about the herbs and spices. I am just learnig about this

> stuff and find it facinating. My instincts tell me wht you are saying is true

> and the more i hear about this i see the wisdom in it

>

> Kindest Regards

>

> Joanne

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Carol Gowin <CarolGowin@ hotmail. com>

> To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Sunday, 11 October, 2009 17:22:42

> Subject: RE: Re: Fibromyalgia. ....Is a Retrovirus

>

> I'm into herbal healing as well, and would like to point out that,

>

> also curcumin, turmeric, and cinnamon are also great for helping

>

> fighting off unwanted nastys in our bodies.

>

> Fennel,, and also Taragon are great for making tea, so is Ginger.

>

> All very healing.

>

> Carol

>

> To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

> From: rosemarieintnet (DOT) net

> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:29:00 -0400

> Subject: Re: Re: Fibromyalgia. ....Is a Retrovirus

>

> Hey Jill. If you look up viruses and holistic solutions for them you are

> doing a bunch of them. Onion, garlic ginger horseradish and cayenne pepper

> are all antifungal and help break up viruses.

>

> There is NO known drug for viruses. It is a weak immune system that allows

> them to get out of hand. They live in our body all the time, but when we

> get weak they get a toe hold and then multiply.

>

> So, keep your cocktail going. Hey, can you send me how much of this and

> that you put in there. I think I will give it a shot myself.

>

> Thanks Jill

>

> On 10/10/09 4:50 PM, " Jill3809 " <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

>

>> >

>> > If I understood the writing correctly. The retroviruses only activate other

>> > viruses. So, we should not worry about being quarantined. If this helps

>> solve

>> > how the disorder is activated, and moves in the body, it may help us to get

>> > another way to help ourselves.

>> >

>> > OK, more information in our arsenal against this.

>> >

>> > Currently I am going to take more doses of my concentrated black cherry

>> juice

>> > and Apple Cider Vinegar with the garlic, onion, ginger, horseradish,

>> cayenne

>> > pepper in it. I think I will also increase to two doses a day of the

>> Fatigued

>> > to Fantasic supplements - I also take deribose. Lately I find myself not

>> > having the energy levels I usually have in the fall and winter. I am still

>> > taking Aleve BID and

>> > also the Alteril that has Tryptophan in it to avoid falling into

>> depression.

>> >

>> > I intend to find a way to avoid the spring fibroflare and problem with

>> > cognition that comes with it.

>> >

>> > Jill in TX

>> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered

>>>> this at

>>> >> the

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out

what

>>> >> is

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an

>>>> airborn

>>> >> virus and that

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get

>>>> treated

>>> >> like lepers now?

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Please take a look at the following link.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > http://www.prohealt h.com/library/ showarticle. cfm?libid= 14913

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Hugs to you all,

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Carol Ann

>>>> >> >

>> >

>

October 21, 2009

Hmmm. I Just saw this No I did not receive any other attachements so

far. But I am still catching up on emails from the baby¹s arrival etc.

they may still be lurking somewhere.

>

> I guess you didn't receive the attachments with the questions you are asking.

> I sent a couple of cute short clips of art ideas from other artists just to

> surge the creative juices to explore and create. I sent it through your

> private email.

> I am going to use another address I have, maybe yahoo is just not allowing any

> other emails to go through concerning members.

> M

>

>>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I have both too, and I have no clue how to break this open to

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > my husband. He's still in Iraq. How the heck can i tell him

that we

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > might possibly have a virus that is like the hiv virus.

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Carol

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: tammyco5aol (DOT) com <mailto:tammyco5% 40aol.com>

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:34:32 -0400

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia. ....Is a

>>>>>>>> Retrovirus

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Unfortunately like you I have both.

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Tammy

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > In a message dated 10/10/2009 9:55:04 A.M. Central Daylight

Time,

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > rosemarieintnet (DOT) net <mailto:rosemarie% 40intnet. net>

writes:

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > They are still doing studies, plus they said its about

>>>>>>>> chronic fatigue

> not

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > exactly fibro in the article. So if you have fibro, but not

chronic

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > fatigue, it would not apply to you.

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

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