Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

October 9, 2009

Hmmmm....I don't believe this. How come everyone I am around doesn't have

it then?

Tammy

In a message dated 10/9/2009 6:59:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

CarolGowin@... writes:

Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this at

the

Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out what

is

causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an airborn

virus and that

it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated

like lepers now?

Please take a look at the following link.

_http://www.prohealthttp://www.prohttp://www.phttp://wwwhttp:_

(http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=14913)

Hugs to you all,

Carol Ann

October 9, 2009

I only see CFS being referred to as a retrovirus... am I missing something?

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

To: fibromyalgiacured

Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 8:59 PM

Hmmmm....I don't believe this. How come everyone I am around doesn't have

it then?

Tammy

In a message dated 10/9/2009 6:59:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

CarolGowinhotmail (DOT) com writes:

Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this at

the

Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out what

is

causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an airborn

virus and that

it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated

like lepers now?

Please take a look at the following link.

_http://www.prohealt http://www. prohttp:/ /www.phttp: //wwwhttp: _

(http://www.prohealt h.com/library/ showarticle. cfm?libid= 14913)

Hugs to you all,

Carol Ann

October 9, 2009

No, they are saying M.E , CFS and Fibromyalgia. And actually Desert Storm

Syndrome.

Just go to Whittemoore Institutes website and you can read more about it.

http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html

To: fibromyalgiacured

From: tracijo505@...

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:25:13 -0700

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

I only see CFS being referred to as a retrovirus... am I missing something?

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

To: fibromyalgiacured

Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 8:59 PM

Hmmmm....I don't believe this. How come everyone I am around doesn't have

it then?

Tammy

In a message dated 10/9/2009 6:59:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

CarolGowinhotmail (DOT) com writes:

Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this at

the

Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out what

is

causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an airborn

virus and that

it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated

like lepers now?

Please take a look at the following link.

_http://www.prohealt http://www. prohttp:/ /www.phttp: //wwwhttp: _

(http://www.prohealt h.com/library/ showarticle. cfm?libid= 14913)

Hugs to you all,

Carol Ann

October 10, 2009

Unfortunately like you I have both.

Tammy

In a message dated 10/10/2009 9:55:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

rosemarie@... writes:

They are still doing studies, plus they said its about chronic fatigue not

exactly fibro in the article. So if you have fibro, but not chronic

fatigue, it would not apply to you.

October 10, 2009

I am thinking that if this connection proves to be true then the contagion

of it is minimal

I read the article and it says that 67 percent of those with chronic fatigue

had the virus in their blood stream. Also, that only 8 percent of people

wihtout chronic fatigue had that same virus. Its like a virus that causes

cancer, not a virus that causes flu and cold and is airborne.

I have chronic fatigue and my husband does not. We have been married 36

years. So no way he caught it from me.

So, I think the contagion part is mild.

They are still doing studies, plus they said its about chronic fatigue not

exactly fibro in the article. So if you have fibro, but not chronic

fatigue, it would not apply to you.

>

> Hmmmm....I don't believe this. How come everyone I am around doesn't have

> it then?

>

> Tammy

>

> In a message dated 10/9/2009 6:59:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> CarolGowin@... <mailto:CarolGowin%40hotmail.com> writes:

>

> Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

>

> My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

>

> learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

>

> Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this at

> the

>

> Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

>

> In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out what

> is

>

> causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an airborn

> virus and that

>

> it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated

> like lepers now?

>

> Please take a look at the following link.

>

> _http://www.prohealthttp://www.prohttp://www.phttp://wwwhttp:_

> (http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=14913)

>

> Hugs to you all,

>

> Carol Ann

>

October 10, 2009

Thanks for that infor Carol.

However, I do not think that contagion is a huge factor in this. The

article doesn¹t really get into it. Its not like the cold and flu virus

that is airborn and spreads easily. I have been married for 36 years and my

husband does not have it, nor do my kids. So no contagion there.

Thanks for sharing this. It is well worth watching. If you hear more

please share that too ok?

I am very interested in this.

>

> Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

>

> My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

>

> learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

>

> Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this at the

>

> Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

>

> In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out what is

>

> causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an airborn

> virus and that

>

> it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated like

> lepers now?

>

> Please take a look at the following link.

>

> http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=14913

>

> Hugs to you all,

>

> Carol Ann

>

> To: fibromyalgiacured

> <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: studiosanmiguel@... <mailto:studiosanmiguel%40yahoo.com>

> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:57:24 -0700

> Subject: Re:

>

> Wha...wha

> did someone mention ?

>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > This is not that important.

and i

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> understand each other

>> > because

>>>> >> > we

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> both

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > come from the UK. In England our

gravy (Bisto)

> contains wheat

>> > so i was

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> telling

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > him about OXO cubes which do not.

They are also

> lower in

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> carbs. It is

>>>> >> > only

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > small difference but whe we are

trying to cut

> out carbs it's

>> > always

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> good to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > hear of a lower alternative.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > If anybody else has any suggestions

for low carb

> stuff that

>> > we might

>>>> >> > not

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > normally thik of. really would be

appreciated

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Jill3809 <gray04redyahoo (DOT)

com

> <mailto:gray04red%

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 40yahoo.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups.

com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi

acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, 29 September, 2009

1:30:17

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re:

New to Group

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I would like to know what oxo and

bristo are. I

> don't recall

>> > hearing

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> about

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > them before.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Jill in TX

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Thanks Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > That does help a lot.

I have been

> on Atkins

>> > before twice but

>>>> >> > went off

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> mostly to being given lots

of meat (very

> dry) and a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> handful of veg

>>>> >> > with

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > no

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> gravy etc.Now i can have

gravy it will

> taste a lot

>> > better lol..

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I think my main

problem is being

> inactive as on

>> > a calorie

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> controlled

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> diet,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> i rarely ate enough to use

up my

> kcals.There again i

>> > made up for

>>>> >> > it in

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> alcohol lol, also havent

had a drink in

> weeks & not

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> honestly >>>>>>

>>>> >> > bothered

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> either..I can take it or

leave it.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I will also try oxo as

well mixed

> with the fats

>> > from the

>>>> >> > meats but

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> honestly

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> prefer bisto.......

..aaaaaaaahhhhhhh h

> lol

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > http://www.simplyto

rtoise.co. uk/

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > ____________ _________

_________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Joanne Ford

<joannesford@

> ...>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@

yahoogroups.

> com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Sent: Sunday, 27

September, 2009

> 19:33:19

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re:

> New to Group

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > It says on the bisto

pack that 4

> heaped

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> teaspoons equals 50ml

>>>> >> > seving

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> this has 2.3g of carb so in

theory you

> could have

>> > 25ml and this

>>>> >> > would

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> just be

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> above 1g of carbs which

would be good so

> long as you

>> > can tolerate

>>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> wheat

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> in it. I personally use oxo

and mix with

> the fat of

>> > the meat with

>>>> >> > bolig

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> water. this equals no carbs

and the fat

> gets rid of

>> > my appetite

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> which is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> important to me because i

am a binge

> eater. Getting

>> > rid of my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> appetite is

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> priority whic is why the

bulk of my

> meals are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> fat/oils and >>>>>>

>>>> >> > moderate

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> protein

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and very small amount of

carb.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > My diet is better

described as a

> ketogeic diet

>> > because it is

>>>> >> > high fat,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> generally Atkins is based

more o protein

> which to be

>> > honest is the

>>>> >> > best

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> way

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> for most people. the only

reason why i

> lean towards

>> > the oils is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> because

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> the healing factors that

come with oils

> and because

>> > oils really

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> stablise

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> blood sugar

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > All i can tell you is

this that i

> think most new

>> > comers to

>>>> >> > low carb

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> follow dr Atkins routine

because this is

> normally the

>> > best way for

>>>> >> > most

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> people but if you find you

are not

> getting the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> results you require

>>>> >> > higher

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> fat

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> helps. Atkins has a chapter

on this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Hope this helps

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > ____________ _________

_________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: -

<simplytortoise@

> rocketmail. com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@

yahoogroups.

> com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Sent: Sunday, 27

September, 2009

> 16:52:50

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re:

> New to Group

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >If you want to

know more

> just ask<

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Can i have bisto gravy

on the

> Atkins and if i

>> > can how do i

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> measure how

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > much

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> please?

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > http://www.simplyto

rtoise.co. uk/

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > ____________ _________

_________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Joanne Ford

<joannesford@

> yahoo.co. uk>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@

yahoogroups.

> com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Sent: Sunday, 27

September, 2009

> 15:40:41

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re:

> New to Group

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > When i was younger i

found

> excercising actually

>> > made me gain

>>>> >> > weight. I

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > was

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> so hungry after it i ate

like an horse.

> this was

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> before i realised

>>>> >> > i had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hypoglycemia

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Now i do not

excercise, at least

> not i the

>> > conventional

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sense. Istead

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > i

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> garden and walk log

distances with my

> dog. This

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> natural excercise

>>>> >> > eables

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to pace myself. If i feel

like my

> fibromyalgia is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> getting worse i

>>>> >> > rest

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> immediately, and then ten

miutes or so

> later start

>> > again. If

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> hypoglycemia

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> does set in i eat a protein

meal and i

> stop the work

>> > full stop!!.

>>>> >> > I wait

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> util

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> i am certain that the

feelings have gone

> before i

>> > start again.

>>>> >> > Pacing

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> like this (And eating a low

carb diet)

> has enabled me

>> > to loos 53lb

>>>> >> > and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> keep

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> it off.. I am getting

fitter and fitter

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > In addition to the

gardenig and

> long walks i

>> > have followed

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the Atkins

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > diet

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and used McKenna CDs

to help me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > If you want to know

more just ask

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > ____________ _________

_________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: whippet

<whippetiggy@

> yahoo.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@

yahoogroups.

> com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, 26

September, 2009

> 22:49:55

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject:

New to

> Group

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Hi. I'm new to the

group. I've had

> fibro and CFS

>> > for years.

>>>> >> > I'm

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> guessing

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> maybe 8 years. I can't

stand all this

> constant pain

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and tiredness.

>>>> >> > I like

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> use holistic methods to try

to cure

> myself of

>> > anything. I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> currently go to

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> chiropractor and a massage

therapist.

> They do help,

>> > but not

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> enough. Can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anyone suggest a new step

to add to my

> routine? I

>> > should also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> mention

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> that I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> try to eat all the right

things, drink

> lots of water

>> > and tea

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> (antioxidants) .

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> Exercise is out of the

question. I've

> gained so much

>> > weight

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> because I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> either

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hurt too much or am too

tired to go for

> walks or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> exercise. For me,

>>>> >> > it's a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> vicious circle. Any

suggestions would be

> greatly

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated! !!!

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Thanks!

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

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October 10, 2009

I have both too, and I have no clue how to break this open to

my husband. He's still in Iraq. How the heck can i tell him that we

might possibly have a virus that is like the hiv virus.

Carol

To: fibromyalgiacured

From: tammyco5@...

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:34:32 -0400

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia.....Is a Retrovirus

Unfortunately like you I have both.

Tammy

In a message dated 10/10/2009 9:55:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

rosemarie@... writes:

They are still doing studies, plus they said its about chronic fatigue not

exactly fibro in the article. So if you have fibro, but not chronic

fatigue, it would not apply to you.

October 10, 2009

Okay, fellow fibromyalgians, it is the same with me.

My husband does not have it, has not gotten it, and isn't about to stop in

getting around about to accidentally get it.

I really believe this is just another little deciduous method of having us get

off the medical communities' back and furthermore making us ashamed of appearing

or wording our dilemma publicly so they won't have to hear it or deal with it.

How many years have we asked for help with this disease?

Some in the medical community are treating us as they treat our soldiers who are

now coming back with diseases that they do not want to deal with, or refuse, or

know how to deal with this man caused disasters. And how many time have they

gone to congress to belittle and deny our soldiers of their diseases and

treatment?

Our disease has been pointed out to have several causes and we see it in our

conversations with each other. These guys are just looking at one part but what

about the whole???

It brings me back to the conversation I had with Dr. Cave who told

me during the eighties that all the medical remedies and examinations come from

the study of the male body not the female body. Thus there were no real medical

answers to our dilemma of cancer, heart attacks, female disorders, and more(did

you know during the sixties doctors would just tell the husband all that is

wrong with your wife is she has female hysteria thus the name of 'hysterictomy',

menopause). It was not until the late 1990's that doctors finally started

studying the female body.

And, so my friends, it is with us oddball 'diseasists'(new word from me).

Who in the medical community wants to take us on??? Bah, they say, too much

money, too much time, too many oddballs. I have lived too long, seen lies and

truth too recognize a whitewash when I see it. Don't fall into this LIE.

I say, HUMBUG. Humbug to all those who would rather put a shameful label on us

rather than looking for the real cause of our predicament.

I for one refuse to accept the label, as a matter of fact, I stump it on the

ground, spit on it, kick it aside, wipe my hands, and say,' BRING IT ON'.

Bring on the Truth, quit taking shortcuts, spend the money, give me the CURE,

dummies(research doctors). It's that TIME.

Angry as hail,

M.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > This is not that important.

and i

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> understand each other

>> > because

>>>> >> > we

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> both

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > come from the UK. In England our

gravy (Bisto)

> contains wheat

>> > so i was

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> telling

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > him about OXO cubes which do not.

They are also

> lower in

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> carbs. It is

>>>> >> > only

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > small difference but whe we are

trying to cut

> out carbs it's

>> > always

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> good to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > hear of a lower alternative.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > If anybody else has any suggestions

for low carb

> stuff that

>> > we might

>>>> >> > not

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > normally thik of. really would be

appreciated

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Jill3809 <gray04redyahoo (DOT)

com

> <mailto:gray04red%

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 40yahoo.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups.

com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi

acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, 29 September, 2009

1:30:17

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re:

New to Group

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I would like to know what oxo and

bristo are. I

> don't recall

>> > hearing

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> about

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > them before.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Jill in TX

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Thanks Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > That does help a lot.

I have been

> on Atkins

>> > before twice but

>>>> >> > went off

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> mostly to being given lots

of meat (very

> dry) and a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> handful of veg

>>>> >> > with

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > no

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> gravy etc.Now i can have

gravy it will

> taste a lot

>> > better lol..

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I think my main

problem is being

> inactive as on

>> > a calorie

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> controlled

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> diet,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> i rarely ate enough to use

up my

> kcals.There again i

>> > made up for

>>>> >> > it in

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> alcohol lol, also havent

had a drink in

> weeks & not

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> honestly >>>>>>

>>>> >> > bothered

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> either..I can take it or

leave it.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I will also try oxo as

well mixed

> with the fats

>> > from the

>>>> >> > meats but

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> honestly

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> prefer bisto.......

..aaaaaaaahhhhhhh h

> lol

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > http://www.simplyto

rtoise.co. uk/

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > ____________ _________

_________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Joanne Ford

<joannesford@

> ...>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@

yahoogroups.

> com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Sent: Sunday, 27

September, 2009

> 19:33:19

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re:

> New to Group

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > It says on the bisto

pack that 4

> heaped

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> teaspoons equals 50ml

>>>> >> > seving

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> this has 2.3g of carb so in

theory you

> could have

>> > 25ml and this

>>>> >> > would

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> just be

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> above 1g of carbs which

would be good so

> long as you

>> > can tolerate

>>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> wheat

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> in it. I personally use oxo

and mix with

> the fat of

>> > the meat with

>>>> >> > bolig

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> water. this equals no carbs

and the fat

> gets rid of

>> > my appetite

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> which is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> important to me because i

am a binge

> eater. Getting

>> > rid of my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> appetite is

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> priority whic is why the

bulk of my

> meals are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> fat/oils and >>>>>>

>>>> >> > moderate

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> protein

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and very small amount of

carb.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > My diet is better

described as a

> ketogeic diet

>> > because it is

>>>> >> > high fat,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> generally Atkins is based

more o protein

> which to be

>> > honest is the

>>>> >> > best

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> way

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> for most people. the only

reason why i

> lean towards

>> > the oils is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> because

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> the healing factors that

come with oils

> and because

>> > oils really

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> stablise

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> blood sugar

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > All i can tell you is

this that i

> think most new

>> > comers to

>>>> >> > low carb

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> follow dr Atkins routine

because this is

> normally the

>> > best way for

>>>> >> > most

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> people but if you find you

are not

> getting the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> results you require

>>>> >> > higher

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> fat

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> helps. Atkins has a chapter

on this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Hope this helps

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > ____________ _________

_________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: -

<simplytortoise@

> rocketmail. com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@

yahoogroups.

> com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Sent: Sunday, 27

September, 2009

> 16:52:50

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re:

> New to Group

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >If you want to

know more

> just ask<

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Can i have bisto gravy

on the

> Atkins and if i

>> > can how do i

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> measure how

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > much

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> please?

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > http://www.simplyto

rtoise.co. uk/

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > ____________ _________

_________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Joanne Ford

<joannesford@

> yahoo.co. uk>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@

yahoogroups.

> com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Sent: Sunday, 27

September, 2009

> 15:40:41

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re:

> New to Group

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > When i was younger i

found

> excercising actually

>> > made me gain

>>>> >> > weight. I

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > was

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> so hungry after it i ate

like an horse.

> this was

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> before i realised

>>>> >> > i had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hypoglycemia

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Now i do not

excercise, at least

> not i the

>> > conventional

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sense. Istead

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > i

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> garden and walk log

distances with my

> dog. This

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> natural excercise

>>>> >> > eables

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to pace myself. If i feel

like my

> fibromyalgia is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> getting worse i

>>>> >> > rest

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> immediately, and then ten

miutes or so

> later start

>> > again. If

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> hypoglycemia

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> does set in i eat a protein

meal and i

> stop the work

>> > full stop!!.

>>>> >> > I wait

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> util

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> i am certain that the

feelings have gone

> before i

>> > start again.

>>>> >> > Pacing

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> like this (And eating a low

carb diet)

> has enabled me

>> > to loos 53lb

>>>> >> > and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> keep

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> it off.. I am getting

fitter and fitter

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > In addition to the

gardenig and

> long walks i

>> > have followed

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the Atkins

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > diet

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and used McKenna CDs

to help me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > If you want to know

more just ask

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > ____________ _________

_________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: whippet

<whippetiggy@

> yahoo.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@

yahoogroups.

> com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, 26

September, 2009

> 22:49:55

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject:

New to

> Group

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Hi. I'm new to the

group. I've had

> fibro and CFS

>> > for years.

>>>> >> > I'm

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> guessing

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> maybe 8 years. I can't

stand all this

> constant pain

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and tiredness.

>>>> >> > I like

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> use holistic methods to try

to cure

> myself of

>> > anything. I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> currently go to

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> chiropractor and a massage

therapist.

> They do help,

>> > but not

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> enough. Can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anyone suggest a new step

to add to my

> routine? I

>> > should also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> mention

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> that I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> try to eat all the right

things, drink

> lots of water

>> > and tea

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> (antioxidants) .

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> Exercise is out of the

question. I've

> gained so much

>> > weight

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> because I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> either

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hurt too much or am too

tired to go for

> walks or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> exercise. For me,

>>>> >> > it's a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> vicious circle. Any

suggestions would be

> greatly

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated! !!!

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Thanks!

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

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October 10, 2009

Hi Carol,

Please take a deep breath. How long have you known you had Fibro and CFS?

I don't know of people that have died directly from Fibro and CFS. Maybe

some have died from the hard core meds they take for it though. You can't

even compare these to the Hiv virus. Don't focus on these conditions but

instead learn how to get your immune system working at an optimal level. Read

the book " Never Be Sick Again " and you will learn how to do this. Take baby

steps and go from there. I just finished the book and that's what I'm

doing. Healthy people usually don't get sick. There is one disease: cellular

malfunction. Two causes:: Toxins and Deficiency. Six pathways: psychological,

nutrition, physical, medical, genes, and toxicity.

I would also do a good colon and then a liver cleanse. I have done Dr.

Natura's in the past and really felt a difference. Although don't do a liver

cleanse if you have silver fillings. They have mercury in them and some of

the ingredients will redistribute the mercury. Read up on the why you

should cleanse. It's not a scam, it's vital for good health.

You must really miss your husband. I don't know how the spouses do it but I

thank you and your husband. In my opinion you're both serving our country.

;-)

Tammy

In a message dated 10/10/2009 12:20:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

CarolGowin@... writes:

I have both too, and I have no clue how to break this open to

my husband. He's still in Iraq. How the heck can i tell him that we

might possibly have a virus that is like the hiv virus.

Carol

October 10, 2009

If I understood the writing correctly. The retroviruses only activate other

viruses. So, we should not worry about being quarantined. If this helps solve

how the disorder is activated, and moves in the body, it may help us to get

another way to help ourselves.

OK, more information in our arsenal against this.

Currently I am going to take more doses of my concentrated black cherry juice

and Apple Cider Vinegar with the garlic, onion, ginger, horseradish, cayenne

pepper in it. I think I will also increase to two doses a day of the Fatigued

to Fantasic supplements - I also take deribose. Lately I find myself not having

the energy levels I usually have in the fall and winter. I am still taking Aleve

BID and

also the Alteril that has Tryptophan in it to avoid falling into depression.

I intend to find a way to avoid the spring fibroflare and problem with cognition

that comes with it.

Jill in TX

>

> Well I think that I am now at the very end of my rope.

>

> My husband is in Iraq and wont be home til next month, and I have just

>

> learned that our disease Fibromyalgia is a Retrovirus.

>

> Just like the hiv virus is also a retrovirus. They just discovered this at the

>

> Whittemore - Institute in Nevada.

>

> In one way, it's awesome that we have had a break through to find out what is

>

> causing this. But because I have learned that this virus is not an airborn

virus and that

>

> it is contageous through bodily fluids, are we all going to get treated like

lepers now?

>

> Please take a look at the following link.

>

> http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=14913

>

> Hugs to you all,

>

> Carol Ann

>

October 10, 2009

Hi Tammy,

First,, let me say, Thank you with a big warm hug!

It is a hard life that we live being separated all the time.

Come next month, he gets to come home Yayyyyyy, but he

will have been gone for a year. And yes, I feel like I'm in the Army

too to be honest. I have been wanting that book actually, the never

be sick again, infact ive been on the authors website. He wants a fortune

for his Vitamins, which I was so entrigued by this guy, because I first

learned about him on watching youtube videos of how he nearly died

and then how Vitamin C brought his life back. It's actually because of

him that I have a desk full of Vitamins sitting infront of me. However.

I have been on Vitamins now for a few weeks, and I really don't feel any better

for it.

Well I told my husband tonight. We communicate on Yahoo with webcams daily.

Thank god that we have that these days. Alot better then past deployments.

I know alot of people don't want to accept that we might all have this virus

but I dont think it would do any of any good to be in denial when it could lead

to helping us get better. My husband isnt sick either, and we have been married

for

almost 18 years. Maybe this effects women more then what it does men? I have no

idea. I guess we all will learn more as time goes by. I just wanted to let every

one see the information that I had come across.

I know that our illness has already been hard enough on all of us without having

to hear

that we all have the possibility of having this dreaded virus. But the fact

remains that

yes alot of people have died already from CFS, M.E or Fibro, how ever you want

to call it.

Personally I think that our illness and the Hiv virus was man made as chemical

warfare.

And trust me, I have been around the Military my entire life. I wouldnt put it

past

the Scientist's that has worked for the Military through out history.

My husband is constantly having to take Anthrax shots and whatever else they

want

to give our Soldiers. Those Anthrax shots were first administered to our

Soldiers back

during Desert Storm. Well it was only a few short years after Desert Storm that

I had

falling ill with CFS and the Fibro...

And look at how many Soldiers there is that came down with Desert Storm syndrome

and yet they are all getting denied by the Army to even so much as recognised

that they

are indeed ill. Recently my husband all everyone else in his unit just had to

take the swine flu

shot... they arent even allowed to say oh no, not for me thanks.. They don't

even have a choice

in the matter. Because they belong to the government once they sign that paper

and swear in.

And then whatever maladys they get, they get to bring it home to their families.

Ok, enough out of me from now.

Love to all,

Carol

To: fibromyalgiacured

From: tammyco5@...

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:10:49 -0400