Re: Re: herbs for a child with RA

[Guest guest]

hi

of course, this is not 'evidence based', it is opinion based on

little or no knowledge with an overarching motivation to prevent the

use of herbs.

I don't agree that it puts the parents in an 'impossible' position.

It is difficult to be sure. However, the key is for them to look at

the information including indications of and adverse effects of

methotrexate and speak with their herbalist. Only then can they

decide what treatment to give their child,

Regards

The 'contra indications'

from the pharmacy department show how distorted

'evidence based' medicine can be, and ends up putting

the parents in an impossible position.

I don't understand how they

can say that Filipendula is contraindicated in children

because of potential Reye's and yet they give

aminosalicylate in the form of mesalazine to children

with juvenile RA and IBD for long-term usage.

Anne

[Guest guest]

Hello I think in this case the parents were put in an impossible position - they had a definite feeling that their child would be taken away from them if they didn't conform, and there was a great deal of family pressure too. He is now on methotrexate plus approved herbs plus diet work so hopefully the methotrexate won't be for too long. I forgot to add that earlier I had harpagophytum and apium approved too.

thanks for everyones inputhappy solstice 

 

hi

of course, this is not 'evidence based', it is opinion based on

little or no knowledge with an overarching motivation to prevent the

use of herbs.

I don't agree that it puts the parents in an 'impossible' position.

It is difficult to be sure. However, the key is for them to look at

the information including indications of and adverse effects of

methotrexate and speak with their herbalist. Only then can they

decide what treatment to give their child,

Regards

 

The 'contra indications'

from the pharmacy department show how distorted

'evidence based' medicine can be, and ends up putting

the parents in an impossible position.

 

I don't understand how they

can say that Filipendula is contraindicated in children

because of potential Reye's and yet they give

aminosalicylate in the form of mesalazine to children

with juvenile RA and IBD for long-term usage.

 

Anne

-- Herbert Herbalist and allergy therapist15 Queens StSpooner RowNorfolk NR18 9JU01953 603056www.christineherbert.co.uk

[Guest guest]

Hi ,I don't think social services can take a child away if the parents refuse the treatment. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it would amount to forced treatment.I know a family who do not accept any orthodox treatment for themselves or their children, as a result of which one child died at birth, because the mother would not agree to any medical intervention, yet nobody has taken their children away. Also, methotrexate for a short while is usually ok and brings the symptoms down. Herbally, test for parasites - there is often a link in autoimmunity. Best regards To: ukherbal-list Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 11:13 Subject: Re: Re: herbs for a child with RA

Hello I think in this case the parents were put in an impossible position - they had a definite feeling that their child would be taken away from them if they didn't conform, and there was a great deal of family pressure too. He is now on methotrexate plus approved herbs plus diet work so hopefully the methotrexate won't be for too long. I forgot to add that earlier I had harpagophytum and apium approved too.

thanks for everyones inputhappy solstice

hi

of course, this is not 'evidence based', it is opinion based on

little or no knowledge with an overarching motivation to prevent the

use of herbs.

I don't agree that it puts the parents in an 'impossible' position.

It is difficult to be sure. However, the key is for them to look at

the information including indications of and adverse effects of

methotrexate and speak with their herbalist. Only then can they

decide what treatment to give their child,

Regards

The 'contra indications'

from the pharmacy department show how distorted

'evidence based' medicine can be, and ends up putting

the parents in an impossible position.

I don't understand how they

can say that Filipendula is contraindicated in children

because of potential Reye's and yet they give

aminosalicylate in the form of mesalazine to children

with juvenile RA and IBD for long-term usage.

Anne

-- Herbert Herbalist and allergy therapist15 Queens StSpooner RowNorfolk NR18 9JU01953 603056www.christineherbert.co.uk

[Guest guest]

Hi

I agree that no-one can take your child from you for disputing

treatment for a rheumatic condition. Leukaemia, for example, is a

different situation and care orders have been invoked to force

treatment on children.

If anyone is under any misapprehension about the powerful toxic

effects of methotrexate then look at

http://www.drugs.com/sfx/methotrexate-side-effects.html. Don't

bother with blood tests, just supplement. What are you going to do

if bloods are normal? Merely taking methotrexate should be enough to

trigger supplementation.

As practitioners we have a duty to know the adverse effects of

medication and how to ameliorate their effect. What patients (and

parents) do is their business but at least we should be able to

recommend either healthier alternatives or methods to reduce their

adverse effects.

Regards

It would be worthwhile

getting folic acid levels checked (and B12) as

methotrexate can interfere with folate metabolism and

lead to increased side-effects.

Some rheumatologists seem

to routinely supplement, other don't, although it

depends on how long someone is on the drug.

Anne