Re: looking for early archives

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome! I'm sorry you're struggling with depression. I know that one way to well, with Progesterone. I'm not sure how much of my story is in the archives, but I got endometrial cancer while using transdermal P. (I was not on the WP at that time) And SEVERE depression/anxiety. I could not figure out how in the world I ended up with cancer (age 39) when I was using the P as I had been lead to believe that I was protected. I was ALWAYS regular and had the same 7 day bleed. With 2-3 days of heavy clotting. Once I started the P, after about 3 months, I started spotting here and there, then continual. (along with the depression, that landed me in my bed for 2 months and then on the physch drugs). Then, I think about 9 months into the use of transdermal P, I was diagnosed and had a complete hyst. Then my hell really started. I won't go into detail about the WP, except that it wasn't fun. But depression was not a huge factor until about the 12th month, then all hell broke lose.

Please don't be under the false sense of security, that just because you are using transdermal P AND having a bleed, you are protected. I think there are ladies who are now using E along with vaginal P to keep them feeling good and protecting their uterus.

Warmly,

Liz

___________________________________

www.ojaipaintedminis.com

http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of cynthiacooke2045Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:35 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: looking for early archives

Hi,I'm a new member, and this is my first posting. I am 62 years old and have been on the WP for 16 months. I am struggling with depression that I'm pretty sure is caused by too much progesterone. It feels like WAY too much progesterone. I am interested in reading the early archives about members of this group who dialogued about getting off so much progesterone. So far, I have found one message saying that the early archives have been deleted. Is there a way for me to get to them? So far, I think I would like to continue cycling, but on lower doses than the WP. Is this correct? I need to have a decent 5-day bleed if I am cycling on E and P, in order to rest assured that I am not developing cancer. My bleeds were okay when I started the WP, but by now they are very scant. One of my doctors wants me to go up on my P, while another wants me to go down. Any advice?I am thrilled beyond belief to find your group. I have felt so alone with this difficulty.Thank you!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome! I'm sorry you're struggling with depression. I know that one way to well, with Progesterone. I'm not sure how much of my story is in the archives, but I got endometrial cancer while using transdermal P. (I was not on the WP at that time) And SEVERE depression/anxiety. I could not figure out how in the world I ended up with cancer (age 39) when I was using the P as I had been lead to believe that I was protected. I was ALWAYS regular and had the same 7 day bleed. With 2-3 days of heavy clotting. Once I started the P, after about 3 months, I started spotting here and there, then continual. (along with the depression, that landed me in my bed for 2 months and then on the physch drugs). Then, I think about 9 months into the use of transdermal P, I was diagnosed and had a complete hyst. Then my hell really started. I won't go into detail about the WP, except that it wasn't fun. But depression was not a huge factor until about the 12th month, then all hell broke lose.

Please don't be under the false sense of security, that just because you are using transdermal P AND having a bleed, you are protected. I think there are ladies who are now using E along with vaginal P to keep them feeling good and protecting their uterus.

Warmly,

Liz

___________________________________

www.ojaipaintedminis.com

http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of cynthiacooke2045Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:35 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: looking for early archives

Hi,I'm a new member, and this is my first posting. I am 62 years old and have been on the WP for 16 months. I am struggling with depression that I'm pretty sure is caused by too much progesterone. It feels like WAY too much progesterone. I am interested in reading the early archives about members of this group who dialogued about getting off so much progesterone. So far, I have found one message saying that the early archives have been deleted. Is there a way for me to get to them? So far, I think I would like to continue cycling, but on lower doses than the WP. Is this correct? I need to have a decent 5-day bleed if I am cycling on E and P, in order to rest assured that I am not developing cancer. My bleeds were okay when I started the WP, but by now they are very scant. One of my doctors wants me to go up on my P, while another wants me to go down. Any advice?I am thrilled beyond belief to find your group. I have felt so alone with this difficulty.Thank you!

[Guest guest]

Hi Christa,

Originally, I started with 50-75mg BID, the last 2 weeks of my cycle. Then the more depressed I got the more I was told to apply. It was compounded transdermal P from a pharmacy that actually originally worked with Susie to develop the WP. He got out and does not believe in it. But at the time I was using his cream, they hadn't started yet. I think the max I did was 100-150mg BID. My continual bleeding got blown off as the "fibroid" that they saw on the ultrasound a couple of months before the biopsy.

Liz

___________________________________

www.ojaipaintedminis.com

http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Christa McClellanSent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:27 AMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: RE: looking for early archives

Dear Liz: what dosage and form(compounded cream, skin drops etc?) of transdermal P were you using before your diagnosis of endometrial cancer? :(thanks,Christa

To: rhythmicliving From: lizojaipaintedminisDate: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:46:36 -0700Subject: RE: looking for early archives

Hi ,

Welcome! I'm sorry you're struggling with depression. I know that one way to well, with Progesterone. I'm not sure how much of my story is in the archives, but I got endometrial cancer while using transdermal P. (I was not on the WP at that time) And SEVERE depression/anxiety. I could not figure out how in the world I ended up with cancer (age 39) when I was using the P as I had been lead to believe that I was protected. I was ALWAYS regular and had the same 7 day bleed. With 2-3 days of heavy clotting. Once I started the P, after about 3 months, I started spotting here and there, then continual. (along with the depression, that landed me in my bed for 2 months and then on the physch drugs). Then, I think about 9 months into the use of transdermal P, I was diagnosed and had a complete hyst. Then my hell really started. I won't go into detail about the WP, except that it wasn't fun. But depression was not a huge factor until about the 12th month, then all hell broke lose.

Please don't be under the false sense of security, that just because you are using transdermal P AND having a bleed, you are protected. I think there are ladies who are now using E along with vaginal P to keep them feeling good and protecting their uterus.

Warmly,

Liz

___________________________________

www.ojaipaintedminis.com

http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of cynthiacooke2045Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:35 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: looking for early archives

Hi,I'm a new member, and this is my first posting. I am 62 years old and have been on the WP for 16 months. I am struggling with depression that I'm pretty sure is caused by too much progesterone. It feels like WAY too much progesterone. I am interested in reading the early archives about members of this group who dialogued about getting off so much progesterone. So far, I have found one message saying that the early archives have been deleted. Is there a way for me to get to them? So far, I think I would like to continue cycling, but on lower doses than the WP. Is this correct? I need to have a decent 5-day bleed if I am cycling on E and P, in order to rest assured that I am not developing cancer. My bleeds were okay when I started the WP, but by now they are very scant. One of my doctors wants me to go up on my P, while another wants me to go down. Any advice?I am thrilled beyond belief to find your group. I have felt so alone with this difficulty.Thank you!

It’s a talkathon – but it’s not just talk. Check out the i’m Talkathon.

[Guest guest]

Dear Liz

Thanks for sharing your info. That was alot of progesterone, no? I screwed up my whole endocrine system with 100mg, once a day, for about 4 to 6 weeks. Blah! I have been off P for 8 months now and my body still shows signs of not needing to add it yet. ....

Christa

To: rhythmicliving From: liz@...Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:43:03 -0700Subject: RE: looking for early archives

Hi Christa,

Originally, I started with 50-75mg BID, the last 2 weeks of my cycle. Then the more depressed I got the more I was told to apply. It was compounded transdermal P from a pharmacy that actually originally worked with Susie to develop the WP. He got out and does not believe in it. But at the time I was using his cream, they hadn't started yet. I think the max I did was 100-150mg BID. My continual bleeding got blown off as the "fibroid" that they saw on the ultrasound a couple of months before the biopsy.

Liz

___________________________________

www.ojaipaintedminis.com

http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Christa McClellanSent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:27 AMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: RE: looking for early archives

Dear Liz: what dosage and form(compounded cream, skin drops etc?) of transdermal P were you using before your diagnosis of endometrial cancer? :(thanks,Christa

To: rhythmicliving From: lizojaipaintedminisDate: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:46:36 -0700Subject: RE: looking for early archives

Hi ,

Welcome! I'm sorry you're struggling with depression. I know that one way to well, with Progesterone. I'm not sure how much of my story is in the archives, but I got endometrial cancer while using transdermal P. (I was not on the WP at that time) And SEVERE depression/anxiety. I could not figure out how in the world I ended up with cancer (age 39) when I was using the P as I had been lead to believe that I was protected. I was ALWAYS regular and had the same 7 day bleed. With 2-3 days of heavy clotting. Once I started the P, after about 3 months, I started spotting here and there, then continual. (along with the depression, that landed me in my bed for 2 months and then on the physch drugs). Then, I think about 9 months into the use of transdermal P, I was diagnosed and had a complete hyst. Then my hell really started. I won't go into detail about the WP, except that it wasn't fun. But depression was not a huge factor until about the 12th month, then all hell broke lose.

Please don't be under the false sense of security, that just because you are using transdermal P AND having a bleed, you are protected. I think there are ladies who are now using E along with vaginal P to keep them feeling good and protecting their uterus.

Warmly,

Liz

___________________________________

www.ojaipaintedminis.com

http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of cynthiacooke2045Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:35 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: looking for early archives

Hi,I'm a new member, and this is my first posting. I am 62 years old and have been on the WP for 16 months. I am struggling with depression that I'm pretty sure is caused by too much progesterone. It feels like WAY too much progesterone. I am interested in reading the early archives about members of this group who dialogued about getting off so much progesterone. So far, I have found one message saying that the early archives have been deleted. Is there a way for me to get to them? So far, I think I would like to continue cycling, but on lower doses than the WP. Is this correct? I need to have a decent 5-day bleed if I am cycling on E and P, in order to rest assured that I am not developing cancer. My bleeds were okay when I started the WP, but by now they are very scant. One of my doctors wants me to go up on my P, while another wants me to go down. Any advice?I am thrilled beyond belief to find your group. I have felt so alone with this difficulty.Thank you!

It’s a talkathon – but it’s not just talk. Check out the i’m Talkathon.

It’s a talkathon – but it’s not just talk. Check out the i’m Talkathon.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Liz,

Thanks for your reply! I'm just back from being out of town for the weekend. I

am

stunned by your story of getting cancer while believing you were protected by

transdermal

P. So much suffering you must have gone through! I guess you went through

early

menopause with the hysterectomy. I hope you are feeling much more balanced and

robust

by now. I realize that I don't know how much progesterone I am taking. I know

how many

lines of the Wiley P I am using per day, but not the actual milligrams. I'll

have to figure

that out.

Over the last week, I have started going down on P more than my doctor said was

okay, to

cut down on depression. I guess that means I am self-medicating at this point.

I'm using

the WP creams and mimicking the curves of the WP but with less P. I feel uneasy

about

this because hormones are so powerful. I would prefer to have a doctor's okay

for what I

do. But I want to feel better. Do members of this group figure out their HRT

on their own?

Or do some people have doctors they work closely with, while others rely more on

discussion with people in this group?

But my main question is, what have rhythmicliving women done after they got off

the Wiley

protocol, if they did get off it? Has anyone used the WP creams at lower doses?

If not,

why not? Has anyone chosen vaginal P over transdermal, and if so, why? From

looking

over some of the group's messages, I gather some of you have taken a long break

from

using P at all...did you still use E during the break? How did you convince

yourself that

you wouldn't risk cancer during the break from P? For women who have found a

good

balance of E and P, did you find the balance by paying more attention to

symptoms and

monthly bleeds, versus blood tests or saliva tests? Do you still have monthly

bleeds?

I have two uterine polyps and am getting a D & C in September. I have read that

the cause

of uterine polyps isn't known. I have also read that uterine polyps may be

related to

estrogen. I have never had a D & C, and I don't want to have another one after

the one in

September. So I'm keen on getting a good, healthy balance of E and P and not

getting

uterine polyps, and keeping my bones strong (I use an electric wheelchair

because of

muscular dystrophy), and enjoying a sense of well-being. One thing I liked

about the WP

was that I experienced a little libido once in a while, which was a big plus for

my partner

relationship, so I would like to keep the libido benefit if possible.

Liz, your description of depression

>

> Hi ,

>

> Welcome! I'm sorry you're struggling with depression. I know that one way to

> well, with Progesterone. I'm not sure how much of my story is in the

> archives, but I got endometrial cancer while using transdermal P. (I was not

> on the WP at that time) And SEVERE depression/anxiety. I could not figure

> out how in the world I ended up with cancer (age 39) when I was using the P

> as I had been lead to believe that I was protected. I was ALWAYS regular and

> had the same 7 day bleed. With 2-3 days of heavy clotting. Once I started

> the P, after about 3 months, I started spotting here and there, then

> continual. (along with the depression, that landed me in my bed for 2 months

> and then on the physch drugs). Then, I think about 9 months into the use of

> transdermal P, I was diagnosed and had a complete hyst. Then my hell really

> started. I won't go into detail about the WP, except that it wasn't fun. But

> depression was not a huge factor until about the 12th month, then all hell

> broke lose.

>

> Please don't be under the false sense of security, that just because you

> are using transdermal P AND having a bleed, you are protected. I think there

> are ladies who are now using E along with vaginal P to keep them feeling

> good and protecting their uterus.

>

> Warmly,

> Liz

>

> ___________________________________

> <http://www.ojaipaintedminis.com/> www.ojaipaintedminis.com

>

> <http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand>

> http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand

>

>

> _____

>

> From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of cynthiacooke2045

> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:35 PM

> To: rhythmicliving

> Subject: looking for early archives

>

>

>

> Hi,

> I'm a new member, and this is my first posting. I am 62 years old and have

> been on the

> WP for 16 months. I am struggling with depression that I'm pretty sure is

> caused by too

> much progesterone. It feels like WAY too much progesterone. I am interested

> in reading

> the early archives about members of this group who dialogued about getting

> off so much

> progesterone. So far, I have found one message saying that the early

> archives have been

> deleted. Is there a way for me to get to them?

> So far, I think I would like to continue cycling, but on lower doses than

> the WP. Is this

> correct? I need to have a decent 5-day bleed if I am cycling on E and P, in

> order to rest

> assured that I am not developing cancer. My bleeds were okay when I started

> the WP, but

> by now they are very scant. One of my doctors wants me to go up on my P,

> while another

> wants me to go down. Any advice?

> I am thrilled beyond belief to find your group. I have felt so alone with

> this difficulty.

> Thank you!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Liz,

Thanks for your reply! I'm just back from being out of town for the weekend. I

am

stunned by your story of getting cancer while believing you were protected by

transdermal

P. So much suffering you must have gone through! I guess you went through

early

menopause with the hysterectomy. I hope you are feeling much more balanced and

robust

by now. I realize that I don't know how much progesterone I am taking. I know

how many

lines of the Wiley P I am using per day, but not the actual milligrams. I'll

have to figure

that out.

Over the last week, I have started going down on P more than my doctor said was

okay, to

cut down on depression. I guess that means I am self-medicating at this point.

I'm using

the WP creams and mimicking the curves of the WP but with less P. I feel uneasy

about

this because hormones are so powerful. I would prefer to have a doctor's okay

for what I

do. But I want to feel better. Do members of this group figure out their HRT

on their own?

Or do some people have doctors they work closely with, while others rely more on

discussion with people in this group?

But my main question is, what have rhythmicliving women done after they got off

the Wiley

protocol, if they did get off it? Has anyone used the WP creams at lower doses?

If not,

why not? Has anyone chosen vaginal P over transdermal, and if so, why? From

looking

over some of the group's messages, I gather some of you have taken a long break

from

using P at all...did you still use E during the break? How did you convince

yourself that

you wouldn't risk cancer during the break from P? For women who have found a

good

balance of E and P, did you find the balance by paying more attention to

symptoms and

monthly bleeds, versus blood tests or saliva tests? Do you still have monthly

bleeds?

I have two uterine polyps and am getting a D & C in September. I have read that

the cause

of uterine polyps isn't known. I have also read that uterine polyps may be

related to

estrogen. I have never had a D & C, and I don't want to have another one after

the one in

September. So I'm keen on getting a good, healthy balance of E and P and not

getting

uterine polyps, and keeping my bones strong (I use an electric wheelchair

because of

muscular dystrophy), and enjoying a sense of well-being. One thing I liked

about the WP

was that I experienced a little libido once in a while, which was a big plus for

my partner

relationship, so I would like to keep the libido benefit if possible.

Liz, your description of depression

>

> Hi ,

>

> Welcome! I'm sorry you're struggling with depression. I know that one way to

> well, with Progesterone. I'm not sure how much of my story is in the

> archives, but I got endometrial cancer while using transdermal P. (I was not

> on the WP at that time) And SEVERE depression/anxiety. I could not figure

> out how in the world I ended up with cancer (age 39) when I was using the P

> as I had been lead to believe that I was protected. I was ALWAYS regular and

> had the same 7 day bleed. With 2-3 days of heavy clotting. Once I started

> the P, after about 3 months, I started spotting here and there, then

> continual. (along with the depression, that landed me in my bed for 2 months

> and then on the physch drugs). Then, I think about 9 months into the use of

> transdermal P, I was diagnosed and had a complete hyst. Then my hell really

> started. I won't go into detail about the WP, except that it wasn't fun. But

> depression was not a huge factor until about the 12th month, then all hell

> broke lose.

>

> Please don't be under the false sense of security, that just because you

> are using transdermal P AND having a bleed, you are protected. I think there

> are ladies who are now using E along with vaginal P to keep them feeling

> good and protecting their uterus.

>

> Warmly,

> Liz

>

> ___________________________________

> <http://www.ojaipaintedminis.com/> www.ojaipaintedminis.com

>

> <http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand>

> http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand

>

>

> _____

>

> From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of cynthiacooke2045

> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:35 PM

> To: rhythmicliving

> Subject: looking for early archives

>

>

>

> Hi,

> I'm a new member, and this is my first posting. I am 62 years old and have

> been on the

> WP for 16 months. I am struggling with depression that I'm pretty sure is

> caused by too

> much progesterone. It feels like WAY too much progesterone. I am interested

> in reading

> the early archives about members of this group who dialogued about getting

> off so much

> progesterone. So far, I have found one message saying that the early

> archives have been

> deleted. Is there a way for me to get to them?

> So far, I think I would like to continue cycling, but on lower doses than

> the WP. Is this

> correct? I need to have a decent 5-day bleed if I am cycling on E and P, in

> order to rest

> assured that I am not developing cancer. My bleeds were okay when I started

> the WP, but

> by now they are very scant. One of my doctors wants me to go up on my P,

> while another

> wants me to go down. Any advice?

> I am thrilled beyond belief to find your group. I have felt so alone with

> this difficulty.

> Thank you!

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Unfortunately, I"m not balanced and far from robust. I was in surgical menopause, when I went on the WP. After 3 months, it went from bad to worse and after a year, it turned south fast. I have not recovered - 3 years later. I now only use a pretty hefty dose of transdermal E. I have been getting my cream online and this cream seems to be much better absorbed. I will test again in a couple of months and see if it wasn't a fluke. I have dabbled in P here and there, but it never works. I've used Testo a bit too. But after a month, my body didn't seem to like it. I truly feel like something has been damaged in me, but it could be my weary mind messing with me.

Please don't let you dr dictate to you what to use. If you don't feel right, there is no need to push it. Obviously, pushing for me did not protect me. Please don't let fear tactics take over.

I think what seems to be the general consensus for uterine protection, is vaginal P. And you can do ultrasounds. But please, don't assume if you are using transdermal P, that you are protected.

And the WP - P is 20mg per line. (It used to be 25mg)

Hormone balancing is so individual and the drs (or not drs) who act like we can all use the same amounts and have the same results are crazy.

Liz

___________________________________

www.ojaipaintedminis.com

http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of cynthiacooke2045Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:19 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: looking for early archives

Hi, Liz,Thanks for your reply! I'm just back from being out of town for the weekend. I am stunned by your story of getting cancer while believing you were protected by transdermal P. So much suffering you must have gone through! I guess you went through early menopause with the hysterectomy. I hope you are feeling much more balanced and robust by now. I realize that I don't know how much progesterone I am taking. I know how many lines of the Wiley P I am using per day, but not the actual milligrams. I'll have to figure that out.Over the last week, I have started going down on P more than my doctor said was okay, to cut down on depression. I guess that means I am self-medicating at this point. I'm using the WP creams and mimicking the curves of the WP but with less P. I feel uneasy about this because hormones are so powerful. I would prefer to have a doctor's okay for what I do. But I want to feel better. Do members of this group figure out their HRT on their own? Or do some people have doctors they work closely with, while others rely more on discussion with people in this group?But my main question is, what have rhythmicliving women done after they got off the Wiley protocol, if they did get off it? Has anyone used the WP creams at lower doses? If not, why not? Has anyone chosen vaginal P over transdermal, and if so, why? From looking over some of the group's messages, I gather some of you have taken a long break from using P at all...did you still use E during the break? How did you convince yourself that you wouldn't risk cancer during the break from P? For women who have found a good balance of E and P, did you find the balance by paying more attention to symptoms and monthly bleeds, versus blood tests or saliva tests? Do you still have monthly bleeds?I have two uterine polyps and am getting a D & C in September. I have read that the cause of uterine polyps isn't known. I have also read that uterine polyps may be related to estrogen. I have never had a D & C, and I don't want to have another one after the one in September. So I'm keen on getting a good, healthy balance of E and P and not getting uterine polyps, and keeping my bones strong (I use an electric wheelchair because of muscular dystrophy), and enjoying a sense of well-being. One thing I liked about the WP was that I experienced a little libido once in a while, which was a big plus for my partner relationship, so I would like to keep the libido benefit if possible.Liz, your description of depression >> Hi ,> > Welcome! I'm sorry you're struggling with depression. I know that one way to> well, with Progesterone. I'm not sure how much of my story is in the> archives, but I got endometrial cancer while using transdermal P. (I was not> on the WP at that time) And SEVERE depression/anxiety. I could not figure> out how in the world I ended up with cancer (age 39) when I was using the P> as I had been lead to believe that I was protected. I was ALWAYS regular and> had the same 7 day bleed. With 2-3 days of heavy clotting. Once I started> the P, after about 3 months, I started spotting here and there, then> continual. (along with the depression, that landed me in my bed for 2 months> and then on the physch drugs). Then, I think about 9 months into the use of> transdermal P, I was diagnosed and had a complete hyst. Then my hell really> started. I won't go into detail about the WP, except that it wasn't fun. But> depression was not a huge factor until about the 12th month, then all hell> broke lose.> > Please don't be under the false sense of security, that just because you> are using transdermal P AND having a bleed, you are protected. I think there> are ladies who are now using E along with vaginal P to keep them feeling> good and protecting their uterus.> > Warmly,> Liz> > ___________________________________> <http://www.ojaipaintedminis.com/> www.ojaipaintedminis.com> > <http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand>> http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand> > > _____ > > From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]> On Behalf Of cynthiacooke2045> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:35 PM> To: rhythmicliving > Subject: looking for early archives> > > > Hi,> I'm a new member, and this is my first posting. I am 62 years old and have> been on the > WP for 16 months. I am struggling with depression that I'm pretty sure is> caused by too > much progesterone. It feels like WAY too much progesterone. I am interested> in reading > the early archives about members of this group who dialogued about getting> off so much > progesterone. So far, I have found one message saying that the early> archives have been > deleted. Is there a way for me to get to them? > So far, I think I would like to continue cycling, but on lower doses than> the WP. Is this > correct? I need to have a decent 5-day bleed if I am cycling on E and P, in> order to rest > assured that I am not developing cancer. My bleeds were okay when I started> the WP, but > by now they are very scant. One of my doctors wants me to go up on my P,> while another > wants me to go down. Any advice?> I am thrilled beyond belief to find your group. I have felt so alone with> this difficulty.> Thank you!> >

[Guest guest]

,

Unfortunately, I"m not balanced and far from robust. I was in surgical menopause, when I went on the WP. After 3 months, it went from bad to worse and after a year, it turned south fast. I have not recovered - 3 years later. I now only use a pretty hefty dose of transdermal E. I have been getting my cream online and this cream seems to be much better absorbed. I will test again in a couple of months and see if it wasn't a fluke. I have dabbled in P here and there, but it never works. I've used Testo a bit too. But after a month, my body didn't seem to like it. I truly feel like something has been damaged in me, but it could be my weary mind messing with me.

Please don't let you dr dictate to you what to use. If you don't feel right, there is no need to push it. Obviously, pushing for me did not protect me. Please don't let fear tactics take over.

I think what seems to be the general consensus for uterine protection, is vaginal P. And you can do ultrasounds. But please, don't assume if you are using transdermal P, that you are protected.

And the WP - P is 20mg per line. (It used to be 25mg)

Hormone balancing is so individual and the drs (or not drs) who act like we can all use the same amounts and have the same results are crazy.

Liz

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From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of cynthiacooke2045Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:19 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: Re: looking for early archives

Hi, Liz,Thanks for your reply! I'm just back from being out of town for the weekend. I am stunned by your story of getting cancer while believing you were protected by transdermal P. So much suffering you must have gone through! I guess you went through early menopause with the hysterectomy. I hope you are feeling much more balanced and robust by now. I realize that I don't know how much progesterone I am taking. I know how many lines of the Wiley P I am using per day, but not the actual milligrams. I'll have to figure that out.Over the last week, I have started going down on P more than my doctor said was okay, to cut down on depression. I guess that means I am self-medicating at this point. I'm using the WP creams and mimicking the curves of the WP but with less P. I feel uneasy about this because hormones are so powerful. I would prefer to have a doctor's okay for what I do. But I want to feel better. Do members of this group figure out their HRT on their own? Or do some people have doctors they work closely with, while others rely more on discussion with people in this group?But my main question is, what have rhythmicliving women done after they got off the Wiley protocol, if they did get off it? Has anyone used the WP creams at lower doses? If not, why not? Has anyone chosen vaginal P over transdermal, and if so, why? From looking over some of the group's messages, I gather some of you have taken a long break from using P at all...did you still use E during the break? How did you convince yourself that you wouldn't risk cancer during the break from P? For women who have found a good balance of E and P, did you find the balance by paying more attention to symptoms and monthly bleeds, versus blood tests or saliva tests? Do you still have monthly bleeds?I have two uterine polyps and am getting a D & C in September. I have read that the cause of uterine polyps isn't known. I have also read that uterine polyps may be related to estrogen. I have never had a D & C, and I don't want to have another one after the one in September. So I'm keen on getting a good, healthy balance of E and P and not getting uterine polyps, and keeping my bones strong (I use an electric wheelchair because of muscular dystrophy), and enjoying a sense of well-being. One thing I liked about the WP was that I experienced a little libido once in a while, which was a big plus for my partner relationship, so I would like to keep the libido benefit if possible.Liz, your description of depression >> Hi ,> > Welcome! I'm sorry you're struggling with depression. I know that one way to> well, with Progesterone. I'm not sure how much of my story is in the> archives, but I got endometrial cancer while using transdermal P. (I was not> on the WP at that time) And SEVERE depression/anxiety. I could not figure> out how in the world I ended up with cancer (age 39) when I was using the P> as I had been lead to believe that I was protected. I was ALWAYS regular and> had the same 7 day bleed. With 2-3 days of heavy clotting. Once I started> the P, after about 3 months, I started spotting here and there, then> continual. (along with the depression, that landed me in my bed for 2 months> and then on the physch drugs). Then, I think about 9 months into the use of> transdermal P, I was diagnosed and had a complete hyst. Then my hell really> started. I won't go into detail about the WP, except that it wasn't fun. But> depression was not a huge factor until about the 12th month, then all hell> broke lose.> > Please don't be under the false sense of security, that just because you> are using transdermal P AND having a bleed, you are protected. I think there> are ladies who are now using E along with vaginal P to keep them feeling> good and protecting their uterus.> > Warmly,> Liz> > ___________________________________> <http://www.ojaipaintedminis.com/> www.ojaipaintedminis.com> > <http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand>> http://fineartamerica.com/artwork/tag/liz+vernand> > > _____ > > From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]> On Behalf Of cynthiacooke2045> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:35 PM> To: rhythmicliving > Subject: looking for early archives> > > > Hi,> I'm a new member, and this is my first posting. I am 62 years old and have> been on the > WP for 16 months. I am struggling with depression that I'm pretty sure is> caused by too > much progesterone. It feels like WAY too much progesterone. I am interested> in reading > the early archives about members of this group who dialogued about getting> off so much > progesterone. So far, I have found one message saying that the early> archives have been > deleted. Is there a way for me to get to them? > So far, I think I would like to continue cycling, but on lower doses than> the WP. Is this > correct? I need to have a decent 5-day bleed if I am cycling on E and P, in> order to rest > assured that I am not developing cancer. My bleeds were okay when I started> the WP, but > by now they are very scant. One of my doctors wants me to go up on my P,> while another > wants me to go down. Any advice?> I am thrilled beyond belief to find your group. I have felt so alone with> this difficulty.> Thank you!> >

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Hi, Liz,

I can see why you feel weary in mind and body, with such a long recovery period,

and still

feeling like something in you has been damaged. Thanks for the suggestion of

vaginal P.

I will look into that. One of my doctors recently suggested an IUD that

releases P slowly

over a long time. The name is something like " Morena. " She said it's used a

lot in Europe,

particularly for women who are progesterone-intolerant, which supposedly I am,

although

I'm not sure. So far, I think I still want to cycle, so I'll probably hold off

on the IUD idea.

Thanks for the WP progesterone equivalency in mg.

I see I have a lot of studying ahead of me, and a lot of experimenting. It

blows me away to

think how I took for granted the balance of all these complex substances in my

body when

I was in my 20's and 30's

Thanks for the advice, not to let fear tactics take over.

I WISH you balance and robustness.

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Welcome! I'm sorry you're struggling with depression. I know that one way

> to

> > well, with Progesterone. I'm not sure how much of my story is in the

> > archives, but I got endometrial cancer while using transdermal P. (I was

> not

> > on the WP at that time) And SEVERE depression/anxiety. I could not figure

> > out how in the world I ended up with cancer (age 39) when I was using the

> P

> > as I had been lead to believe that I was protected. I was ALWAYS regular

> and

> > had the same 7 day bleed. With 2-3 days of heavy clotting. Once I started

> > the P, after about 3 months, I started spotting here and there, then

> > continual. (along with the depression, that landed me in my bed for 2

> months

> > and then on the physch drugs). Then, I think about 9 months into the use

> of

> > transdermal P, I was diagnosed and had a complete hyst. Then my hell

> really

> > started. I won't go into detail about the WP, except that it wasn't fun.

> But

> > depression was not a huge factor until about the 12th month, then all hell

> > broke lose.

> >

> > Please don't be under the false sense of security, that just because you

> > are using transdermal P AND having a bleed, you are protected. I think

> there

> > are ladies who are now using E along with vaginal P to keep them feeling

> > good and protecting their uterus.

> >

> > Warmly,

> > Liz

> >

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> > From: rhythmicliving@ <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

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> > On Behalf Of cynthiacooke2045

> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:35 PM

> > To: rhythmicliving@ <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

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> > Subject: looking for early archives

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> > I'm a new member, and this is my first posting. I am 62 years old and have

> > been on the

> > WP for 16 months. I am struggling with depression that I'm pretty sure is

> > caused by too

> > much progesterone. It feels like WAY too much progesterone. I am

> interested

> > in reading

> > the early archives about members of this group who dialogued about getting

> > off so much

> > progesterone. So far, I have found one message saying that the early

> > archives have been

> > deleted. Is there a way for me to get to them?

> > So far, I think I would like to continue cycling, but on lower doses than

> > the WP. Is this

> > correct? I need to have a decent 5-day bleed if I am cycling on E and P,

> in

> > order to rest

> > assured that I am not developing cancer. My bleeds were okay when I

> started

> > the WP, but

> > by now they are very scant. One of my doctors wants me to go up on my P,

> > while another

> > wants me to go down. Any advice?

> > I am thrilled beyond belief to find your group. I have felt so alone with

> > this difficulty.

> > Thank you!

> >

> >

>