Re: Pluto

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In a message dated 2/3/05 8:52:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, SunsDove@...

writes:

How is

it then, that Pluto

typifies generations as it slowly strolls through the signs?

Briefly! because Pluto is the outermost planet discov so far - in 1935. It's

orbit takes 247 yrs! So Pluto is a generational matter. As it has not

completed its orbit in our consciousness, we have yet to discover its riches

[Pluto,

Hades = wealth0.

My intuition is that Pluto rules the collective Shadow; as Saturn rules the

indiv Shadow.

Jung hints that as we work to dispel our pers Shadow, we take a microscopic

bit out of the coll.

This is a huge collective task.

Pluto is now in Sagittarius, so the spotlight is on 'religions' n just think

of how lacking in true spirituality many of the current religions are!

I wld ask a favor of one of u w/a scanner. Cld u copy the poem by Edw

Carpenter on p.123? in my J Symb in Astrology.This poem - for me - expresses the

answer to the problem of evil. An extraordinary piece n very Plutonian!

For those who resp to Pl in their chts - it is a pt of transformation.

The physical scenarios of Iraq, billowing black smoke etc. n todays " " fr a

US Liet-Gen 'It's fun to shoot 'em " is worthy of Hell on earth.

Will send poem on archetype........

love

ao

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In a message dated 2/3/2005 3:50:08 PM Central Standard Time,

IonaDove@... writes:

I wld ask a favor of one of u w/a scanner. Cld u copy the poem by Edw

Carpenter on p.123? in my J Symb in Astrology.This poem - for me - expresses

the

answer to the problem of evil. An extraordinary piece n very Plutonian!

_

I remember discussing the problem of inflation with Ed & shy;ward C. Whitmont

once and his wise advice: " Don't deny the inflation, enjoy it for about ten

seconds, then see it for what it is and offer it up! " For me, that's sending

it back up the paper-towel roller.

..

I remember that as a child I used to worry about those stories of rejecting

the devil. My sympathies were more often with him than with the righteous

ones. I felt sorry for him. Then Hermes gave me a most beautiful poem by

Carpenter, which I have never forgotten. It offers the best solution to the

problem of evil I know.

And so at last I saw Satan appear before me & shy;

magnificent, fully formed.

Feet first, with shining limbs, he glanced down from

among the bushes,

And stood there erect, dark-skinned, with nostrils

dilated with passion;

(In the burning, intolerable sunlight, he stood, and I

in the shade of the bushes);

Fierce and scathing the effluence of his eyes, and scornful of dreams and

dreamers (he touched a rock hard by and it split with a sound like thunder);

Fierce the magnetic influence of his dusky flesh; his great foot,

well-formed, was planted firm in the sand & shy;with spreading toes;

" Come out, " he said, with a taunt, " art thou afraid to

meet me? "

And 1 answered not, but sprang upon him and smote him.

And he smote me a thousand times, and brashed and

scorched and slew me as with hands of flame;

And I was glad, for my body lay there dead; and I sprang

upon him again with another body;

And he turned upon me, and smote me a thousand times

and slew that body;

And I was glad and sprang upon him again with another

body & shy;

And with another and another and again another;

And the bodies which 1 took on yielded before him, and

were like cinctures of flame upon me, but 1 flung them

aside:

And the pains which 1 endured in one body were powers which 1 wielded in the

next; and 1 grew in strength till

at last 1 stood before him complete, with a body like

his own and equal in might-exultant in pride and joy.

Then he ceased and said, " I love thee. "

And 101 his form changed and he leaned backwards and

drew me upon him,

And bore me up into the air, and floated me over the topmost trees and the

ocean, and round the curve of the earth under the moon & shy;

Till we stood again in Paradise.

From The Secret oj Time and Satan

This poem shaped my way of thinking profoundly. We know from Jung and others

that we cannot lock up our evilin the Unconscious. It won't work. It only

gets projected onto others. I believe we should try to redeem our personal

" devils " (Shadows) rather than banish them. Jung said that

only by working on our own Shadows can we deplete, little by little, the

collective Shadow which hangs over the world threatening to destroy it. The

darkness I encountered in my

out-of-body experience, if that is what it was, did not seem malevolent, it

seemed more an impersonal emptiness, a hungry void. There is a mystery to

it.

But speaking of a hungry void, it's time for lunch.

My love,

124

.. & shy;

- ---- & shy;

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At 22:41 03/02/2005, you wrote:

>And so at last I saw Satan appear before me & shy;

>magnificent, fully formed.

>Feet first, with shining limbs, he glanced down from

>among the bushes,

>And stood there erect, dark-skinned, with nostrils

>dilated with passion;

>(In the burning, intolerable sunlight, he stood, and I

>in the shade of the bushes);

>Fierce and scathing the effluence of his eyes, and scornful of dreams and

>dreamers (he touched a rock hard by and it split with a sound

>like thunder);

>Fierce the magnetic influence of his dusky flesh; his great foot,

>well-formed, was planted firm in the sand & shy;with spreading toes;

> " Come out, " he said, with a taunt, " art thou afraid to

>meet me? "

>And 1 answered not, but sprang upon him and smote him.

>And he smote me a thousand times, and brashed and

>scorched and slew me as with hands of flame;

>And I was glad, for my body lay there dead; and I sprang

>upon him again with another body;

>And he turned upon me, and smote me a thousand times

>and slew that body;

>And I was glad and sprang upon him again with another

>body & shy;

>

>

>

>And with another and another and again another;

>And the bodies which 1 took on yielded before him, and

>were like cinctures of flame upon me, but 1 flung them

>aside:

>And the pains which 1 endured in one body were powers which 1 wielded in the

>next; and 1 grew in strength till

>at last 1 stood before him complete, with a body like

>his own and equal in might-exultant in pride and joy.

>Then he ceased and said, " I love thee. "

>And 101 his form changed and he leaned backwards and

>drew me upon him,

>And bore me up into the air, and floated me over the topmost trees and the

>ocean, and round the curve of the earth under the moon & shy;

>Till we stood again in Paradise.

> From The Secret oj Time and Satan

Wonderful

I love this poem

thanks

Nick

[Guest guest]

thank you. Pluto appears to go back and forth over selected degrees a lot. It

looks

almost like it is rubbing them clean. How is retrograde motion explained with

this

mini collective shadow? Thanks again. Mark

> In a message dated 2/3/05 8:52:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, SunsDove@a...

> writes:

> How is

> it then, that Pluto

> typifies generations as it slowly strolls through the signs?

> Briefly! because Pluto is the outermost planet discov so far - in 1935. It's

> orbit takes 247 yrs! So Pluto is a generational matter. As it has not

> completed its orbit in our consciousness, we have yet to discover its riches

[Pluto,

> Hades = wealth0.

>

> My intuition is that Pluto rules the collective Shadow; as Saturn rules the

> indiv Shadow.

>

> Jung hints that as we work to dispel our pers Shadow, we take a microscopic

> bit out of the coll.

>

> This is a huge collective task.

>

> Pluto is now in Sagittarius, so the spotlight is on 'religions' n just think

> of how lacking in true spirituality many of the current religions are!

>

> I wld ask a favor of one of u w/a scanner. Cld u copy the poem by Edw

> Carpenter on p.123? in my J Symb in Astrology.This poem - for me - expresses

the

> answer to the problem of evil. An extraordinary piece n very Plutonian!

>

> For those who resp to Pl in their chts - it is a pt of transformation.

>

> The physical scenarios of Iraq, billowing black smoke etc. n todays " " fr a

> US Liet-Gen 'It's fun to shoot 'em " is worthy of Hell on earth.

>

> Will send poem on archetype........

>

> love

>

> ao

>

>

>