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--- Tami Hutter wrote:

> The topic of the week is veggies. I must say, I

> love pretty much all

> veggies except for peas! They are disgusting.

I like fresh peas and frozen peas. Canned peas are

NASTY, to me, except in soup.

> Since I am from the 1-2-3 program, I know carrots

> count etc, but are there

> any free veggies left? Can someone please tell me?

Oh, yeah. The starchy veggies (lima beans, peas,

corn, potatoes, winter squash, parsnips, etc.) were

points on 1-2-3 as well, I think. The two biggies I

can think of that suddenly got points are carrots and

onions--both high in sugar. Most veggies are still 0

points.

> Lyn, I do have a great recipe for pumpkin soup but

> I'll have to locate it.

> It was only 2 pts per serving with the 123 system,

> but I am unsure if this

> will change with the winning points system.

Pumpkin's a 0-point veggie.

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Just so you guys know, according to my journal online at the WW website, raw

carrots 1 cup are still worth 0 points. If you have more than 1 cup then

it's like .5 or something. Yet cooked carrots are a point, what is up with

that????

in VT

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My guess: you can fit a lot more carrots in a cup cooked than raw.

> Just so you guys know, according to my journal online at the WW

> website, raw

> carrots 1 cup are still worth 0 points. If you have more than 1 cup then

> it's like .5 or something. Yet cooked carrots are a point, what is

> up with

> that????

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Just so you guys know, according to my journal online at the

WW website, raw carrots 1 cup are still worth 0 points. If

you have more than 1 cup then it's like .5 or something.

Yet cooked carrots are a point, what is up with that????

in VT

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I don't know for sure, but it might be that cooked carrots

are more digestible, so you get more calories from them?!?

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Here is a list of free veggies:

Vegetables - (0) Points Per Cup

Asparagus

Beans (green or wax)

Beets

Broccoli

Brussels Sprouts

Cabbage

Cauliflower

Celery

Cucumber

Eggplant

Endive

Escarole

Fast Food Side Salad (w/o dressing)

Garden Vegetable Soup (WW recipe)

Greens

Hearts of Palm

Leeks

Lettuce

Mixed Green Salad (w/o dressing)

Mixed Vegetable Juice

Mushrooms (fresh)

Okra

Peppers (all varieties)

Pickles (unsweetened)

Pumpkin

Radishes

Salsa

Sauerkraut

Scallions

Snow Peas

Spinach

Sprouts

Squash (spaghetti, summer, and zucchini)

Sugar Snap Peas

Tomatoes

Tomato Juice

Turnips

Watercress

Hope this helps!

Lori Edelen

Web Application Developer

Lattestone Corporation

veggies

> I must say, this is a great list. You guys stay on topic and what is said

> is very helpful. None of the bickering like some of the other lists I'm

on.

>

> The topic of the week is veggies. I must say, I love pretty much all

> veggies except for peas! They are disgusting. So when I found out WW

> amended their program and a lot of veggies now count I was very

> disappointed. It was easy for me to stay on the plan before because I

could

> fill myself up on free veggies, but now, I'd rather eat something else

since

> it's going to cost me points anyway. I know veggies are important, but

who

> wouldn't rather eat say a granola bar or a bit of ice cream instead of 2

> cups of carrots!

>

> Since I am from the 1-2-3 program, I know carrots count etc, but are there

> any free veggies left? Can someone please tell me?

>

> I like to make my own dressings because FF dressings taste awful except

for

> maybe the Italian and I'm sick of it. For example....I'll take some

> tomatoes, cucumbers, celery, onions, red pepper etc and then some beans

> (kidney, pinto, any kind) and make a salad. The beans make the salad more

> hearty and filling, and this salad can even be used in place of a potato

or

> rice with dinner because of the beans. For dressings I've used FF mayo,

> vinegar, pepper, mustard is a must! any club house seasoning like Roasted

> Red Pepper, or Garlic Plus etc and I'll blend it all together. I'll even

> heat it for a few seconds in the Microwave so the flavours blend better

and

> then I'll mix it into the salad. I find salads taste better a little more

> close to room temperature for the flavours blend better.

>

> We also eat a lot of steamed veggies, or I'll stir-fry them in some butter

> spray, chicken broth and seasonings and serve them over rice etc. I

> actually did this with left-over thanksgiving turkey last night and added

> some wine to the sauce. It was pretty good.

>

> Lyn, I do have a great recipe for pumpkin soup but I'll have to locate it.

> It was only 2 pts per serving with the 123 system, but I am unsure if this

> will change with the winning points system. It is a very strong soup and

is

> a nasty colour, but I love it. It's actually a ginger-pumpkin soup. If

> anyone else has a recipe that doesn't contain ginger I'd be interested for

> ginger is very strong and can only be handled once in awhile.

>

> Lyn, do not worry about going off the program. As long as you get right

> back on, then it doesn't really matter. Live one day at a time. After

you

> are done you can eat at Mcs, but you'll still have to work it into

the

> points range you work out for your maintenance program (which is a higher

> point range than your losing point range). Trust me, there are times when

> I've felt like you have and I'll sit in front of my computer with a 2

Litre

> tub of ice cream and eat it for dinner! It's sooooo goood, but I feel

> pretty guilty when I am done.!

>

> Hope this all helps

> Tami

>

>

>

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yeah - I think I'm going to keep a bunch of this stuff around!

thanks (:

Re: veggies

Here is a list of free veggies:

Vegetables - (0) Points Per Cup

Asparagus

Beans (green or wax)

Beets

Broccoli

Brussels Sprouts

Cabbage

Cauliflower

Celery

Cucumber

Eggplant

Endive

Escarole

Fast Food Side Salad (w/o dressing)

Garden Vegetable Soup (WW recipe)

Greens

Hearts of Palm

Leeks

Lettuce

Mixed Green Salad (w/o dressing)

Mixed Vegetable Juice

Mushrooms (fresh)

Okra

Peppers (all varieties)

Pickles (unsweetened)

Pumpkin

Radishes

Salsa

Sauerkraut

Scallions

Snow Peas

Spinach

Sprouts

Squash (spaghetti, summer, and zucchini)

Sugar Snap Peas

Tomatoes

Tomato Juice

Turnips

Watercress

Hope this helps!

Lori Edelen

Web Application Developer

Lattestone Corporation

veggies

> I must say, this is a great list. You guys stay on topic and what is said

> is very helpful. None of the bickering like some of the other lists I'm

on.

>

> The topic of the week is veggies. I must say, I love pretty much all

> veggies except for peas! They are disgusting. So when I found out WW

> amended their program and a lot of veggies now count I was very

> disappointed. It was easy for me to stay on the plan before because I

could

> fill myself up on free veggies, but now, I'd rather eat something else

since

> it's going to cost me points anyway. I know veggies are important, but

who

> wouldn't rather eat say a granola bar or a bit of ice cream instead of 2

> cups of carrots!

>

> Since I am from the 1-2-3 program, I know carrots count etc, but are there

> any free veggies left? Can someone please tell me?

>

> I like to make my own dressings because FF dressings taste awful except

for

> maybe the Italian and I'm sick of it. For example....I'll take some

> tomatoes, cucumbers, celery, onions, red pepper etc and then some beans

> (kidney, pinto, any kind) and make a salad. The beans make the salad more

> hearty and filling, and this salad can even be used in place of a potato

or

> rice with dinner because of the beans. For dressings I've used FF mayo,

> vinegar, pepper, mustard is a must! any club house seasoning like Roasted

> Red Pepper, or Garlic Plus etc and I'll blend it all together. I'll even

> heat it for a few seconds in the Microwave so the flavours blend better

and

> then I'll mix it into the salad. I find salads taste better a little more

> close to room temperature for the flavours blend better.

>

> We also eat a lot of steamed veggies, or I'll stir-fry them in some butter

> spray, chicken broth and seasonings and serve them over rice etc. I

> actually did this with left-over thanksgiving turkey last night and added

> some wine to the sauce. It was pretty good.

>

> Lyn, I do have a great recipe for pumpkin soup but I'll have to locate it.

> It was only 2 pts per serving with the 123 system, but I am unsure if this

> will change with the winning points system. It is a very strong soup and

is

> a nasty colour, but I love it. It's actually a ginger-pumpkin soup. If

> anyone else has a recipe that doesn't contain ginger I'd be interested for

> ginger is very strong and can only be handled once in awhile.

>

> Lyn, do not worry about going off the program. As long as you get right

> back on, then it doesn't really matter. Live one day at a time. After

you

> are done you can eat at Mcs, but you'll still have to work it into

the

> points range you work out for your maintenance program (which is a higher

> point range than your losing point range). Trust me, there are times when

> I've felt like you have and I'll sit in front of my computer with a 2

Litre

> tub of ice cream and eat it for dinner! It's sooooo goood, but I feel

> pretty guilty when I am done.!

>

> Hope this all helps

> Tami

>

>

>

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--- Elder wrote:

> I don't know for sure, but it might be that cooked

> carrots

> are more digestible, so you get more calories from

> them?!?

It's simpler than that. If you look at a calorie

counter or something similar, you'll see that cooked

vegetables almost always have more calories/fat/etc.

than raw veggies. Vegetables have a very high water

content, and a lot of the water cooks out when you

cook them. So if you take 1 c. of raw veggies, you

might only get 3/4 c., or 1/2 c. (or in the case of

spinach, a few tablespoonsful) of cooked veggies. The

calories are more concentrated then.

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You know, I am so confused by what people are seeing at the online journals

compared to what the WW book says. I don't get it! I think it's too

inconsistent. Why doesn't WW update their program material to be consistent

with the online journals and calculators. I try to follow the program by my

materials, and then I'll learn that someone's online journal says count 2

servings of V8 as a point. What gives! And FWIW, without me running upstairs,

I thought raw carrots counted as a point. I have been counting them. Ugh!

Lyn

Re: veggies

Just so you guys know, according to my journal online at the WW website, raw

carrots 1 cup are still worth 0 points. If you have more than 1 cup then

it's like .5 or something. Yet cooked carrots are a point, what is up with

that????

in VT

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You know, I am so confused by what people are seeing at the online journals

compared to what the WW book says. I don't get it! I think it's too

inconsistent. Why doesn't WW update their program material to be consistent

with the online journals and calculators. I try to follow the program by my

materials, and then I'll learn that someone's online journal says count 2

servings of V8 as a point. What gives! And FWIW, without me running upstairs,

I thought raw carrots counted as a point. I have been counting them. Ugh!

Lyn

Re: veggies

Just so you guys know, according to my journal online at the WW website, raw

carrots 1 cup are still worth 0 points. If you have more than 1 cup then

it's like .5 or something. Yet cooked carrots are a point, what is up with

that????

in VT

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You know, I am so confused by what people are seeing at the online journals

compared to what the WW book says. I don't get it! I think it's too

inconsistent. Why doesn't WW update their program material to be consistent

with the online journals and calculators. I try to follow the program by my

materials, and then I'll learn that someone's online journal says count 2

servings of V8 as a point. What gives! And FWIW, without me running upstairs,

I thought raw carrots counted as a point. I have been counting them. Ugh!

Lyn

Re: veggies

Just so you guys know, according to my journal online at the WW website, raw

carrots 1 cup are still worth 0 points. If you have more than 1 cup then

it's like .5 or something. Yet cooked carrots are a point, what is up with

that????

in VT

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In a message dated 10/11/2001 9:39:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jbm1@... writes:

<< You know, I am so confused by what people are seeing at the online

journals compared to what the WW book says. I don't get it! I think it's

too inconsistent. Why doesn't WW update their program material to be

consistent with the online journals and calculators. I try to follow the

program by my materials, and then I'll learn that someone's online journal

says count 2 servings of V8 as a point. What gives! And FWIW, without me

running upstairs, I thought raw carrots counted as a point. I have been

counting them. Ugh!

Lyn >>

I'm sorry Lyn, I'm brand new to the program and I'm just going by what the

stupid journal says. I didn't mean to get you so upset with it :) Hang in

there!!!!

in VT

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In a message dated 10/11/2001 9:39:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jbm1@... writes:

<< You know, I am so confused by what people are seeing at the online

journals compared to what the WW book says. I don't get it! I think it's

too inconsistent. Why doesn't WW update their program material to be

consistent with the online journals and calculators. I try to follow the

program by my materials, and then I'll learn that someone's online journal

says count 2 servings of V8 as a point. What gives! And FWIW, without me

running upstairs, I thought raw carrots counted as a point. I have been

counting them. Ugh!

Lyn >>

I'm sorry Lyn, I'm brand new to the program and I'm just going by what the

stupid journal says. I didn't mean to get you so upset with it :) Hang in

there!!!!

in VT

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--- jbm1 wrote:

>I try to follow the program by my

> materials, and then I'll learn that someone's online

> journal says count 2 servings of V8 as a point.

> What gives

The online journals do NOT look at things as " 0-point

veggies. " They calculate points off calories, fat, and

fiber. 1 serving of 0-point veggies comes out to 0,

but more than one serving can work out to a point

using that method.

I say, count them as 0-point veggies. No one got fat

off V-8. :)

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My leader said that 1 cup of carrots are 1 point... There are some people

who follow the previous way and don't count the point unless they go over 1

cup (or sometimes not at all). Under 1 cup, is 0 points.

You may want to talk to your Leader and find out what she/he says. (are

there male leaders - I've never seen one...)

Re: veggies

You know, I am so confused by what people are seeing at the online journals

compared to what the WW book says. I don't get it! I think it's too

inconsistent. Why doesn't WW update their program material to be consistent

with the online journals and calculators. I try to follow the program by

my materials, and then I'll learn that someone's online journal says count 2

servings of V8 as a point. What gives! And FWIW, without me running

upstairs, I thought raw carrots counted as a point. I have been counting

them. Ugh!

Lyn

Re: veggies

Just so you guys know, according to my journal online at the WW website,

raw

carrots 1 cup are still worth 0 points. If you have more than 1 cup then

it's like .5 or something. Yet cooked carrots are a point, what is up

with

that????

in VT

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Well, part of my problem is that I'm doing the At Home version. I do have WW's

1-800 number and I guess I should give them a call on this. Also what's

bothering me is the fact that WW online makes you count points for no point

veggies....if I remember a recent thread correctly. Just doesn't make sense.

At any rate, I'm losing while doing the program so I guess I shouldn't obsess!

Lyn

Re: veggies

Just so you guys know, according to my journal online at the WW website,

raw

carrots 1 cup are still worth 0 points. If you have more than 1 cup then

it's like .5 or something. Yet cooked carrots are a point, what is up

with

that????

in VT

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Well, part of my problem is that I'm doing the At Home version. I do have WW's

1-800 number and I guess I should give them a call on this. Also what's

bothering me is the fact that WW online makes you count points for no point

veggies....if I remember a recent thread correctly. Just doesn't make sense.

At any rate, I'm losing while doing the program so I guess I shouldn't obsess!

Lyn

Re: veggies

Just so you guys know, according to my journal online at the WW website,

raw

carrots 1 cup are still worth 0 points. If you have more than 1 cup then

it's like .5 or something. Yet cooked carrots are a point, what is up

with

that????

in VT

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<G>

there was a lot of complaining when they made some of the veggies 1 point

for a cup... I know I was one of them. But I don't usually have 1 cup of

onions at a time, and if I have 1 cup of carrots, I will count it for 1

point - but more than likely I'll stick to 1/2 cups (:

Do you like the at home program? Sounds like you are doing well (:

Re: veggies

Well, part of my problem is that I'm doing the At Home version. I do have

WW's 1-800 number and I guess I should give them a call on this. Also

what's bothering me is the fact that WW online makes you count points for no

point veggies....if I remember a recent thread correctly. Just doesn't make

sense. At any rate, I'm losing while doing the program so I guess I

shouldn't obsess!

Lyn

Re: veggies

Just so you guys know, according to my journal online at the WW website,

raw

carrots 1 cup are still worth 0 points. If you have more than 1 cup

then

it's like .5 or something. Yet cooked carrots are a point, what is up

with

that????

in VT

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I'm not upset by your post.....I've been seeing this for about a month now! I

do find it frustrating, and wish that Weight Watchers would be more consistent!

I too follow the journal....and I refuse to count 2 servings of V8 as a point!

LOL

Lyn

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In a message dated 10/11/2001 9:39:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jbm1@... writes:

<< You know, I am so confused by what people are seeing at the online

journals compared to what the WW book says. I don't get it! I think it's

too inconsistent. Why doesn't WW update their program material to be

consistent with the online journals and calculators. I try to follow the

program by my materials, and then I'll learn that someone's online journal

says count 2 servings of V8 as a point. What gives! And FWIW, without me

running upstairs, I thought raw carrots counted as a point. I have been

counting them. Ugh!

Lyn >>

I'm sorry Lyn, I'm brand new to the program and I'm just going by what the

stupid journal says. I didn't mean to get you so upset with it :) Hang in

there!!!!

in VT

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I guess it would depend on how and how much you cook them

then. I doubt they lose much water if they're being boiled

or steamed.

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From: " Wren-Moyer "

--- Elder wrote:

> I don't know for sure, but it might be that cooked

> carrots

> are more digestible, so you get more calories from

> them?!?

It's simpler than that. If you look at a calorie

counter or something similar, you'll see that cooked

vegetables almost always have more calories/fat/etc.

than raw veggies. Vegetables have a very high water

content, and a lot of the water cooks out when you

cook them. So if you take 1 c. of raw veggies, you

might only get 3/4 c., or 1/2 c. (or in the case of

spinach, a few tablespoonsful) of cooked veggies. The

calories are more concentrated then.

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  • 3 weeks later...

I'm curious why cooked veggies have a point where raw veggies have none....is

it the fiber content change? It's the only sensible answer I know.

I love broccoli any way it's fixed....but if I eat it raw, it's 0; if it eat it

steamed/cooked, it's 1 pt. for the same serving.

I'm on digest and can hardly remember who posts what ...but thanks for the apple

recipe!! I too have quite a few given to me yesterday. I eat 1/4 apple every

a.m. for b'fast in my oatmeal w/raisins and honey. I'm making unsweetened

applesauce today to put in my freezer.

I'm proud to be an American

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Kailu.....I'd say you're doing excellent with your fruits and veggies. And yes,

a serving is 1/2 cup...so you're filling up on them! Good job.

Lyn

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I read the email on the apple, I eat between 1 - 2 apples everyday, I have a

8oz glass of grapefuit juice and the rest if celery, cucumber, corn or low

soduim v-8 juice! The thing for me is that I try really hard to eat 3 square

meals with one afternoon snack! I also discovered reading back through my

week 1 book that 1/2 cup of veggie is a seving so that means I 've been

having more than 5 servings a day? Kailu

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Just our of curiosity, I have never counted my broccoli as 1pt when I cook

it? Becuase in the book when I look up the food value and use the FF cooking

spray it doesn't tell me that it's 1 point is 0 for a serving & that's even

if I use the point finder! Not to mention how on earth could steaming your

veggies add points to them? I'm only asking becuase this is not something

that I have been aware of & it hasn't affected my weight loss either way!

Kailu

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broccoli is always a zero point food. Carrots and onions count as 1 pt per cup.

Cauliflower, tomatos, cucumbers, cabbage, zuccini, yellow squash, are always

zero unless you add something to them.

I'm curious why cooked veggies have a point where raw veggies have none....is it

the fiber content change? It's the only sensible answer I know.

I love broccoli any way it's fixed....but if I eat it raw, it's 0; if it eat it

steamed/cooked, it's 1 pt. for the same serving.

I'm proud to be an American

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