Ductectomy

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I have heard of one person for whom a low grade slight strep infection caused these sx. It might be worth trying some Chelidonium and thyme to see if she has clearance, with some anti-inflammatory herbs. This one person had had latent strep for many years, and it did clear and the seepage stopped. J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHGHerbalist To: ukherbal-list Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Ductectomy

Any suggestions folks. I have a 46 year old new patient. Female, no

children, pre-menopausal has in the past three years had occasional

clear discharge from left nipple. Up to a year ago it was happening

two to three days a month but in the past nine months to a year it has

become daily. Discharge is spontaneous but if you squeeze the breast

in any way it will occur too. This has become quite distressing an

embarrassing to the patient. She has had a full hormone profile which

has come back within normal range. She was referred to the breast unit

and has undergone mammogram and ultrasound. The fluid was checked and

does not contain blood. The results from the ultrasound were clear of

pathology but came back showing that all the milk ducts were dilated

and inflammed. It has been suggested that she has a ductecomy -

cutting the direct supply to the nipple for two reasons. Obviously it

will stop leakage but more importantly, the consultant stressed that a

constant state of inflammation in breast tissue had the possibility of

encouraging growth of papillomas which could thereafter become

cancerous. It has been explained that when the ducts are cut, the

ducts themself then collapse and stop producing any fluid and the

inflammation should disappear.

My patient is healthy, has a very good diet, had been vegan for the

first five months of the year to see if this would help both this and a

chronic constipation problem, with no long term change. Is now eating

all foods but restricting dairy. Supplements with Vit C and omega

three oils. Normally she would not consider the surgery but when the

consultant suggested that the chronic inflammation may become a problem

in itself is now considering it. She has delayed any surgical

intervention until February. Any suggestions?

In the past i've used Vitex along with other balancing/lymphatic herbs

with success for hyperprolactinaemia but this patients hormone profile

suggests this is not the case. Any ideas would be appreciated.

Jean

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From my experience there is a connection between chronic constipation/sluggishness and breast swelling/tenderness and sore nipples. The reason may be increased FSH and the best way to reduce that in my experience is with Lithospermum officinalis. 

It is sold as a tincture by lind Blackwell. I have found this to work really fast in most cases although in some patients the symptoms returned after some time although were much milder. It is also really important to detox via the bowel.

Liver herbs help with constipation as do all the lubricating bulk laxatives. How about using plenty of linseed and other soft fiber?I am finding Komboucha drink (1 glass twice a day) quite effective for chronic constipation amongst other things.

I would concentrate on helping the chronic constipation asap. Congestion tends to have many knock on effects in the whole system. Hope this helps

 

Any suggestions folks. I have a 46 year old new patient. Female, no

children, pre-menopausal has in the past three years had occasional

clear discharge from left nipple. Up to a year ago it was happening

two to three days a month but in the past nine months to a year it has

become daily. Discharge is spontaneous but if you squeeze the breast

in any way it will occur too. This has become quite distressing an

embarrassing to the patient. She has had a full hormone profile which

has come back within normal range. She was referred to the breast unit

and has undergone mammogram and ultrasound. The fluid was checked and

does not contain blood. The results from the ultrasound were clear of

pathology but came back showing that all the milk ducts were dilated

and inflammed. It has been suggested that she has a ductecomy -

cutting the direct supply to the nipple for two reasons. Obviously it

will stop leakage but more importantly, the consultant stressed that a

constant state of inflammation in breast tissue had the possibility of

encouraging growth of papillomas which could thereafter become

cancerous. It has been explained that when the ducts are cut, the

ducts themself then collapse and stop producing any fluid and the

inflammation should disappear.

My patient is healthy, has a very good diet, had been vegan for the

first five months of the year to see if this would help both this and a

chronic constipation problem, with no long term change. Is now eating

all foods but restricting dairy. Supplements with Vit C and omega

three oils. Normally she would not consider the surgery but when the

consultant suggested that the chronic inflammation may become a problem

in itself is now considering it. She has delayed any surgical

intervention until February. Any suggestions?

In the past i've used Vitex along with other balancing/lymphatic herbs

with success for hyperprolactinaemia but this patients hormone profile

suggests this is not the case. Any ideas would be appreciated.

Jean

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Hi , I find this really interesting. I know the constipation is worrying her. She had a sigmoidoscopy a year and a half ago which was clear. She is very self aware of what makes her bowel worse (wheat, red meat, dairy). She has regulated her bowel for years using pulse and veg fibre which has always worked. Then suddenly it stopped working. She has self treated with bitters, valerian, liquorice, fennel with no effect. Gp gave her laxatives which she doesn't want to become dependent on. She uses them only when all else has failed, usually after about seven to ten days of no movement. She has to take up to four times the normal dose to have an effect. I think there is frustration at the fact that all her normal food methods have failed. She is vata so certainly I would have thought warming herbs, bitters would have helped. She has had three years of stress but this year has been dramatically improved so I think she thought everything would get better. I've never used lithospermum. I'll look it up. Thank you for all thoughts, suggestions. Sent from my iPad

From my experience there is a connection between chronic constipation/sluggishness and breast swelling/tenderness and sore nipples. The reason may be increased FSH and the best way to reduce that in my experience is with Lithospermum officinalis.

It is sold as a tincture by lind Blackwell. I have found this to work really fast in most cases although in some patients the symptoms returned after some time although were much milder. It is also really important to detox via the bowel.

Liver herbs help with constipation as do all the lubricating bulk laxatives. How about using plenty of linseed and other soft fiber?I am finding Komboucha drink (1 glass twice a day) quite effective for chronic constipation amongst other things.

I would concentrate on helping the chronic constipation asap. Congestion tends to have many knock on effects in the whole system. Hope this helps

Any suggestions folks. I have a 46 year old new patient. Female, no

children, pre-menopausal has in the past three years had occasional

clear discharge from left nipple. Up to a year ago it was happening

two to three days a month but in the past nine months to a year it has

become daily. Discharge is spontaneous but if you squeeze the breast

in any way it will occur too. This has become quite distressing an

embarrassing to the patient. She has had a full hormone profile which

has come back within normal range. She was referred to the breast unit

and has undergone mammogram and ultrasound. The fluid was checked and

does not contain blood. The results from the ultrasound were clear of

pathology but came back showing that all the milk ducts were dilated

and inflammed. It has been suggested that she has a ductecomy -

cutting the direct supply to the nipple for two reasons. Obviously it

will stop leakage but more importantly, the consultant stressed that a

constant state of inflammation in breast tissue had the possibility of

encouraging growth of papillomas which could thereafter become

cancerous. It has been explained that when the ducts are cut, the

ducts themself then collapse and stop producing any fluid and the

inflammation should disappear.

My patient is healthy, has a very good diet, had been vegan for the

first five months of the year to see if this would help both this and a

chronic constipation problem, with no long term change. Is now eating

all foods but restricting dairy. Supplements with Vit C and omega

three oils. Normally she would not consider the surgery but when the

consultant suggested that the chronic inflammation may become a problem

in itself is now considering it. She has delayed any surgical

intervention until February. Any suggestions?

In the past i've used Vitex along with other balancing/lymphatic herbs

with success for hyperprolactinaemia but this patients hormone profile

suggests this is not the case. Any ideas would be appreciated.

Jean

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Hello Jean

Maybe don't overdo the bitters if she is vata - maybe too drying. More

water and oils, linseeds soaked overnight/hempseed oil/aloe/marshmallow

root as a cold decoction produces mucilage (one tablespoon soaked

overnight) strained/okra (mucilage). 2 x triphala capsules at night. As

she is approaching menopause and is vata she may naturally be tending to

more dryness which might be why her usual diet isn't doing the job any

more.

I am wondering about red clover to help remove waste products.....?

Hope this is of help

Verity

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Thank you verity, Linseeds soaked? Do you then just add these to porridge or cereal. Great suggestions. Thank you. XSent from my iPad

Hello Jean

Maybe don't overdo the bitters if she is vata - maybe too drying. More

water and oils, linseeds soaked overnight/hempseed oil/aloe/marshmallow

root as a cold decoction produces mucilage (one tablespoon soaked

overnight) strained/okra (mucilage). 2 x triphala capsules at night. As

she is approaching menopause and is vata she may naturally be tending to

more dryness which might be why her usual diet isn't doing the job any

more.

I am wondering about red clover to help remove waste products.....?

Hope this is of help

Verity

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Hi Jean

Soaking them releases the oils and they become quite gloopy, you

then drink the fluid and eat the seeds and make sure patient has an

an extra glass of water as well.  I don't think it would work in

porridge or cereal.

Do let us know how you get on.

Verity

 

Thank you verity, Linseeds soaked? Do you then just add

these to porridge or cereal. Great suggestions. Thank you.

X

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On 26 Nov 2011, at 09:16, Verity Bradbury

wrote:

 

Hello Jean

Maybe don't overdo the bitters if she is vata -

maybe too drying. More

water and oils, linseeds soaked overnight/hempseed

oil/aloe/marshmallow

root as a cold decoction produces mucilage (one

tablespoon soaked

overnight) strained/okra (mucilage). 2 x triphala

capsules at night. As

she is approaching menopause and is vata she may

naturally be tending to

more dryness which might be why her usual diet isn't

doing the job any

more.

I am wondering about red clover to help remove waste

products.....?

Hope this is of help

Verity