Re: migraine, was: Re: teenager with stomach ache and headaches

[Guest guest]

> Try cutting out all the usual migraine triggers, and treat in a similar way

> to ordinary migraine - addressing hormone balance (seratonin and histamine

> as well as oestrogen), stress levels, blood sugar balance, blood flow, and

> anti-inflammatories.

Really, that's what you do for migraines?

I see migraines as follows:

1) a magnesium deficiency. About 80-85 % of sufferers belong to this group.

Chocolate cravings are a tell-tale sign.

Very easily remedied with magnesium (and B-vitamins: these two help each other

get absorbed).

Check why there's a magnesium (or B-vitamin) deficiency: stress? artificial

hormones? too much sugar in the diet? something else?

2) a reaction to aspartame, glutamate or various benzoates. About 10-15 % of

sufferers belong to this group.

A large intake of diet sodas (or similar) or a migraine after Chinese food are

tell-tale signs.

Stop these additives already ... which can be difficult, as aspartame can be

very addictive; so help get rid of the addiction by helping the body produce

dopamine and serotonine (= also add magnesium, B, C, E, iron, proteins, zinc,

fish oil, and a general multivitamin).

3) an allergic reaction. About 5 % of sufferers belong to this group.

If somebody tells me they get a migraine every time they eat yeast bread I ask

them to use their common sense and STOP eating yeast bread.

4) a problem with monoamine oxidase foods.

Some people get migraines from red wine, fermented cheese, and chocolate

(among other foods). They should avoid them.

Herbs, well, perhaps, but only after the cause of the problem has been taken

care of.

Best,

H.

--

Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland

Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com

New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html

[Guest guest]

Dear Henriette

Please could you be a bit more careful with the tone of your messages?

It is also highly debatable as to whether many of the things that you mention

are indeed 'causes' and not merely more symptoms? Why are these people reacting

to things? I suspect that an integrated holistic approach may be preferable to a

reductionistic linear style of interventions in proximate causes.

Best wishes

Craig

Dr Craig

Homeopath. Phytotherapist

166 Lansdowne Road. Claremont. 7708

+27 21 671 4338

>

>

>> Try cutting out all the usual migraine triggers, and treat in a similar way

>> to ordinary migraine - addressing hormone balance (seratonin and histamine

>> as well as oestrogen), stress levels, blood sugar balance, blood flow, and

>> anti-inflammatories.

>

> Really, that's what you do for migraines?

>

> I see migraines as follows:

>

> 1) a magnesium deficiency. About 80-85 % of sufferers belong to this group.

> Chocolate cravings are a tell-tale sign.

> Very easily remedied with magnesium (and B-vitamins: these two help each other

> get absorbed).

> Check why there's a magnesium (or B-vitamin) deficiency: stress? artificial

> hormones? too much sugar in the diet? something else?

>

> 2) a reaction to aspartame, glutamate or various benzoates. About 10-15 % of

> sufferers belong to this group.

> A large intake of diet sodas (or similar) or a migraine after Chinese food are

> tell-tale signs.

> Stop these additives already ... which can be difficult, as aspartame can be

> very addictive; so help get rid of the addiction by helping the body produce

> dopamine and serotonine (= also add magnesium, B, C, E, iron, proteins, zinc,

> fish oil, and a general multivitamin).

>

> 3) an allergic reaction. About 5 % of sufferers belong to this group.

> If somebody tells me they get a migraine every time they eat yeast bread I ask

> them to use their common sense and STOP eating yeast bread.

>

> 4) a problem with monoamine oxidase foods.

> Some people get migraines from red wine, fermented cheese, and chocolate

> (among other foods). They should avoid them.

>

> Herbs, well, perhaps, but only after the cause of the problem has been taken

> care of.

>

> Best,

> H.

>

> --

> Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland

> Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com

> New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH

[Guest guest]

> Dear Henriette

> Please could you be a bit more careful with the tone of your messages?

> It is also highly debatable as to whether many of the things that you

> mention are indeed 'causes' and not merely more symptoms? Why are these

> people reacting to things? I suspect that an integrated holistic approach

> may be preferable to a reductionistic linear style of interventions in

> proximate causes.

My apologies.

H.

--

Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland

Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com

New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html

[Guest guest]

Yes, that is really what I do for migraines, and it is very successful.

It's not really that different from what you describe, although I have not gone

into as much detail as I figure the qualified and experienced herbalists who use

this forum will already be aware of the common migraine triggers you have

listed; stress, blood sugar imalance, aspartame, glutamine, tyramine-rich foods

and individual food inolerances.

Since this forum is predominantly for herbalists, not just for nutritional

therapists, I imagine most will want to correct imbalances using herbs, not just

nutritional supplements. I don't see that nutritional supplements could be

described as " addressing the cause " any more that herbs do. I don't see a

problem with use of anti-inflammatories while the body is re-balancing. Children

with abdominal migraine, especially if frequent suffer a great deal of pain and

distress, and there are effective herbs available to us which can quickly

relieve that distress.

BTW, raising seratonin levels can increase migraine frequency and severity, and

this approach is only effective during a migraine

>

>

>> Try cutting out all the usual migraine triggers, and treat in a similar way

>> to ordinary migraine - addressing hormone balance (seratonin and histamine

>> as well as oestrogen), stress levels, blood sugar balance, blood flow, and

>> anti-inflammatories.

>

> Really, that's what you do for migraines?

>

> I see migraines as follows:

>

> 1) a magnesium deficiency. About 80-85 % of sufferers belong to this group.

> Chocolate cravings are a tell-tale sign.

> Very easily remedied with magnesium (and B-vitamins: these two help each other

> get absorbed).

> Check why there's a magnesium (or B-vitamin) deficiency: stress? artificial

> hormones? too much sugar in the diet? something else?

>

> 2) a reaction to aspartame, glutamate or various benzoates. About 10-15 % of

> sufferers belong to this group.

> A large intake of diet sodas (or similar) or a migraine after Chinese food are

> tell-tale signs.

> Stop these additives already ... which can be difficult, as aspartame can be

> very addictive; so help get rid of the addiction by helping the body produce

> dopamine and serotonine (= also add magnesium, B, C, E, iron, proteins, zinc,

> fish oil, and a general multivitamin).

>

> 3) an allergic reaction. About 5 % of sufferers belong to this group.

> If somebody tells me they get a migraine every time they eat yeast bread I ask

> them to use their common sense and STOP eating yeast bread.

>

> 4) a problem with monoamine oxidase foods.

> Some people get migraines from red wine, fermented cheese, and chocolate

> (among other foods). They should avoid them.

>

> Herbs, well, perhaps, but only after the cause of the problem has been taken

> care of.

>

> Best,

> H.

>

> --

> Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland

> Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com

> New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH

[Guest guest]

Serotonin?

not a hormone IIRC, a neurotransmitter? If this is now recognised as

a hormone, I'm interested!

And can we leave this lie now, as I for one was really impressed with

how promptly Henriette apologised.

We're here to increase the sum of herbal knowledge, not to score

points off each other.

In my teaching training in rural wales another student came up with an

excellent cartoon that neatly encapsulated the search for knowledge.

Picture a group of sheep confronted with a tall maze. Impossible no?

Next frame, sheep climb on each other's back, and the once they're

tall enough for the top one to see, she explains to the one at the

bottom the layout of the maze. Sorted. Take the broadest possible

view, and work together.

Sally Owen

> Yes, that is really what I do for migraines, and it is very

> successful.

>

> It's not really that different from what you describe, although I

> have not gone into as much detail as I figure the qualified and

> experienced herbalists who use this forum will already be aware of

> the common migraine triggers you have listed; stress, blood sugar

> imalance, aspartame, glutamine, tyramine-rich foods and individual

> food inolerances.

>

> Since this forum is predominantly for herbalists, not just for

> nutritional therapists, I imagine most will want to correct

> imbalances using herbs, not just nutritional supplements. I don't

> see that nutritional supplements could be described as " addressing

> the cause " any more that herbs do. I don't see a problem with use of

> anti-inflammatories while the body is re-balancing. Children with

> abdominal migraine, especially if frequent suffer a great deal of

> pain and distress, and there are effective herbs available to us

> which can quickly relieve that distress.

>

> BTW, raising seratonin levels can increase migraine frequency and

> severity, and this approach is only effective during a migraine

>

>

>

>>

>>

>>> Try cutting out all the usual migraine triggers, and treat in a

>>> similar way

>>> to ordinary migraine - addressing hormone balance (seratonin and

>>> histamine

>>> as well as oestrogen), stress levels, blood sugar balance, blood

>>> flow, and

>>> anti-inflammatories.

>>

>> Really, that's what you do for migraines?

>>

>> I see migraines as follows:

>>

>> 1) a magnesium deficiency. About 80-85 % of sufferers belong to

>> this group.

>> Chocolate cravings are a tell-tale sign.

>> Very easily remedied with magnesium (and B-vitamins: these two help

>> each other

>> get absorbed).

>> Check why there's a magnesium (or B-vitamin) deficiency: stress?

>> artificial

>> hormones? too much sugar in the diet? something else?

>>

>> 2) a reaction to aspartame, glutamate or various benzoates. About

>> 10-15 % of

>> sufferers belong to this group.

>> A large intake of diet sodas (or similar) or a migraine after

>> Chinese food are

>> tell-tale signs.

>> Stop these additives already ... which can be difficult, as

>> aspartame can be

>> very addictive; so help get rid of the addiction by helping the

>> body produce

>> dopamine and serotonine (= also add magnesium, B, C, E, iron,

>> proteins, zinc,

>> fish oil, and a general multivitamin).

>>

>> 3) an allergic reaction. About 5 % of sufferers belong to this group.

>> If somebody tells me they get a migraine every time they eat yeast

>> bread I ask

>> them to use their common sense and STOP eating yeast bread.

>>

>> 4) a problem with monoamine oxidase foods.

>> Some people get migraines from red wine, fermented cheese, and

>> chocolate

>> (among other foods). They should avoid them.

>>

>> Herbs, well, perhaps, but only after the cause of the problem has

>> been taken

>> care of.

>>

>> Best,

>> H.

>>

>> --

>> Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland

>> Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com

>> New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>> List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH

[Guest guest]

i think serotonin is both a neuro transmitter and a hormone - it depends where it originates doesnt it? serotonin is released by damaged platelets and helps trigger the clotting process.also havent they found lots of serotonin releasing cells in the GI tract .

there are many instances of the neurotransmitter versus hormone variation - adrenalin is another example.

dont neuro transmitters stay within the nervous system whereas hormones travel in blood which is the main difference in what nomenclature theyre given?

regards ,annette

Re: migraine, was: Re: teenager with stomach ache and headaches

Serotonin?not a hormone IIRC, a neurotransmitter? If this is now recognised as a hormone, I'm interested!And can we leave this lie now, as I for one was really impressed with how promptly Henriette apologised.We're here to increase the sum of herbal knowledge, not to score points off each other.In my teaching training in rural wales another student came up with an excellent cartoon that neatly encapsulated the search for knowledge. Picture a group of sheep confronted with a tall maze. Impossible no? Next frame, sheep climb on each other's back, and the once they're tall enough for the top one to see, she explains to the one at the bottom the layout of the maze. Sorted. Take the broadest possible view, and work together.Sally Owen> Yes, that is really what I do for migraines, and it is very > successful.>> It's not really that different from what you describe, although I > have not gone into as much detail as I figure the qualified and > experienced herbalists who use this forum will already be aware of > the common migraine triggers you have listed; stress, blood sugar > imalance, aspartame, glutamine, tyramine-rich foods and individual > food inolerances.>> Since this forum is predominantly for herbalists, not just for > nutritional therapists, I imagine most will want to correct > imbalances using herbs, not just nutritional supplements. I don't > see that nutritional supplements could be described as "addressing > the cause" any more that herbs do. I don't see a problem with use of > anti-inflammatories while the body is re-balancing. Children with > abdominal migraine, especially if frequent suffer a great deal of > pain and distress, and there are effective herbs available to us > which can quickly relieve that distress.>> BTW, raising seratonin levels can increase migraine frequency and > severity, and this approach is only effective during a migraine>> >>> >>>>> Try cutting out all the usual migraine triggers, and treat in a >>> similar way>>> to ordinary migraine - addressing hormone balance (seratonin and >>> histamine>>> as well as oestrogen), stress levels, blood sugar balance, blood >>> flow, and>>> anti-inflammatories.>>>> Really, that's what you do for migraines?>>>> I see migraines as follows:>>>> 1) a magnesium deficiency. About 80-85 % of sufferers belong to >> this group.>> Chocolate cravings are a tell-tale sign.>> Very easily remedied with magnesium (and B-vitamins: these two help >> each other>> get absorbed).>> Check why there's a magnesium (or B-vitamin) deficiency: stress? >> artificial>> hormones? too much sugar in the diet? something else?>>>> 2) a reaction to aspartame, glutamate or various benzoates. About >> 10-15 % of>> sufferers belong to this group.>> A large intake of diet sodas (or similar) or a migraine after >> Chinese food are>> tell-tale signs.>> Stop these additives already ... which can be difficult, as >> aspartame can be>> very addictive; so help get rid of the addiction by helping the >> body produce>> dopamine and serotonine (= also add magnesium, B, C, E, iron, >> proteins, zinc,>> fish oil, and a general multivitamin).>>>> 3) an allergic reaction. About 5 % of sufferers belong to this group.>> If somebody tells me they get a migraine every time they eat yeast >> bread I ask>> them to use their common sense and STOP eating yeast bread.>>>> 4) a problem with monoamine oxidase foods.>> Some people get migraines from red wine, fermented cheese, and >> chocolate>> (among other foods). They should avoid them.>>>> Herbs, well, perhaps, but only after the cause of the problem has >> been taken>> care of.>>>> Best,>> H.>>>> -- >> Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland>> Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com>> New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html>>>>>> ------------------------------------>>>> List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH

[Guest guest]

Abdominal migraine is something which I have experience with treating, but which is not always easy to spot. I was trying to be helpful in suggesting it as a possible diagnosis for Sally's patient, along with some brief info about how I treat it. Where my approach as an experienced professional gets publicly criticised, I do feel I am entitled to respond. I am in no way attempting to "score points". However, I am beginning to wonder if it is worth sharing my experience on this forum if it results in replies like these.

Serotonin?

not a hormone IIRC, a neurotransmitter? If this is now recognised as

a hormone, I'm interested!

And can we leave this lie now, as I for one was really impressed with

how promptly Henriette apologised.

We're here to increase the sum of herbal knowledge, not to score

points off each other.

In my teaching training in rural wales another student came up with an

excellent cartoon that neatly encapsulated the search for knowledge.

Picture a group of sheep confronted with a tall maze. Impossible no?

Next frame, sheep climb on each other's back, and the once they're

tall enough for the top one to see, she explains to the one at the

bottom the layout of the maze. Sorted. Take the broadest possible

view, and work together.

Sally Owen

> Yes, that is really what I do for migraines, and it is very

> successful.

>

> It's not really that different from what you describe, although I

> have not gone into as much detail as I figure the qualified and

> experienced herbalists who use this forum will already be aware of

> the common migraine triggers you have listed; stress, blood sugar

> imalance, aspartame, glutamine, tyramine-rich foods and individual

> food inolerances.

>

> Since this forum is predominantly for herbalists, not just for

> nutritional therapists, I imagine most will want to correct

> imbalances using herbs, not just nutritional supplements. I don't

> see that nutritional supplements could be described as "addressing

> the cause" any more that herbs do. I don't see a problem with use of

> anti-inflammatories while the body is re-balancing. Children with

> abdominal migraine, especially if frequent suffer a great deal of

> pain and distress, and there are effective herbs available to us

> which can quickly relieve that distress.

>

> BTW, raising seratonin levels can increase migraine frequency and

> severity, and this approach is only effective during a migraine

>

>

>

>>

>>

>>> Try cutting out all the usual migraine triggers, and treat in a

>>> similar way

>>> to ordinary migraine - addressing hormone balance (seratonin and

>>> histamine

>>> as well as oestrogen), stress levels, blood sugar balance, blood

>>> flow, and

>>> anti-inflammatories.

>>

>> Really, that's what you do for migraines?

>>

>> I see migraines as follows:

>>

>> 1) a magnesium deficiency. About 80-85 % of sufferers belong to

>> this group.

>> Chocolate cravings are a tell-tale sign.

>> Very easily remedied with magnesium (and B-vitamins: these two help

>> each other

>> get absorbed).

>> Check why there's a magnesium (or B-vitamin) deficiency: stress?

>> artificial

>> hormones? too much sugar in the diet? something else?

>>

>> 2) a reaction to aspartame, glutamate or various benzoates. About

>> 10-15 % of

>> sufferers belong to this group.

>> A large intake of diet sodas (or similar) or a migraine after

>> Chinese food are

>> tell-tale signs.

>> Stop these additives already ... which can be difficult, as

>> aspartame can be

>> very addictive; so help get rid of the addiction by helping the

>> body produce

>> dopamine and serotonine (= also add magnesium, B, C, E, iron,

>> proteins, zinc,

>> fish oil, and a general multivitamin).

>>

>> 3) an allergic reaction. About 5 % of sufferers belong to this group.

>> If somebody tells me they get a migraine every time they eat yeast

>> bread I ask

>> them to use their common sense and STOP eating yeast bread.

>>

>> 4) a problem with monoamine oxidase foods.

>> Some people get migraines from red wine, fermented cheese, and

>> chocolate

>> (among other foods). They should avoid them.

>>

>> Herbs, well, perhaps, but only after the cause of the problem has

>> been taken

>> care of.

>>

>> Best,

>> H.

>>

>> --

>> Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland

>> Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com

>> New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>> List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH

[Guest guest]

Please continue Aine-Marie, many of us do greatly appreciate your contributions. What you have said about the treatment of migraine patients certainly sits very well with meRegards and best wishesCraig From: ukherbal-list [mailto:ukherbal-list ] On Behalf Of Áine Marie ReillySent: 25 November 2011 21:59To: ukherbal-list Subject: Re: migraine, was: Re: teenager with stomach ache and headaches Abdominal migraine is something which I have experience with treating, but which is not always easy to spot. I was trying to be helpful in suggesting it as a possible diagnosis for Sally's patient, along with some brief info about how I treat it. Where my approach as an experienced professional gets publicly criticised, I do feel I am entitled to respond. I am in no way attempting to " score points " . However, I am beginning to wonder if it is worth sharing my experience on this forum if it results in replies like these. Serotonin?not a hormone IIRC, a neurotransmitter? If this is now recognised as a hormone, I'm interested!And can we leave this lie now, as I for one was really impressed with how promptly Henriette apologised.We're here to increase the sum of herbal knowledge, not to score points off each other.In my teaching training in rural wales another student came up with an excellent cartoon that neatly encapsulated the search for knowledge. Picture a group of sheep confronted with a tall maze. Impossible no? Next frame, sheep climb on each other's back, and the once they're tall enough for the top one to see, she explains to the one at the bottom the layout of the maze. Sorted. Take the broadest possible view, and work together.Sally Owen

[Guest guest]

> Abdominal migraine is something which I have experience with treating, but

> which is not always easy to spot. I was trying to be helpful in suggesting

> it as a possible diagnosis for Sally's patient, along with some brief info

> about how I treat it. Where my approach as an experienced professional gets

> publicly criticised, I do feel I am entitled to respond.

It was not intended as a criticism: it was a " really, you do that? " with a

short blurb of what I'd do, for migraines.

A discussion opener, as it were.

I still don't understand your approach to " normal " migraines, and would like

you to elaborate.

The tone, like Craig sasid, was a tad off, which is why I apologized.

Henriette

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Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland

Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com

New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html

[Guest guest]

Thank you Henriette and Craig. I appreciate your replies and I know that it is very easy to misinterpret the tone and meaning of emails. My approach to "normal" migraines is similar to yours in many ways Henriette. I would consider most of what you said about your approach as being covered under my suggestion to "cut out all the usual migraine triggers". So yes, stress, artificial hormones, blood sugar imbalance, poor diet (all resulting in deficiency of magnesium and B-vitamins), foods containing aspartame, glutamine etc., tyramine-rich foods - red wine, chocolate, cheese etc, and any food which the individual is intolerant to, e.g. gluten, dairy, yeast etc. This certainly helps to reduce the frequency and severity of the attacks, and I do often recommend supplements such as magnesium alongside the herbal treatment.However, my own experience is that this approach is not usually enough to solve the problem completely. Not everyone can avoid stress; and magnesium and B vitamin supplements are not generally enough by themselves to counteract the wide-ranging effects of stress on the body. Some people may also have internal hormone imbalances which appear to be inherited rather than being caused by artificial hormones. I use herbs to correct these imbalances, and I would see this as being just as close to addressing the cause as giving nutritional supplements. I don't, for example, just give anodyne herbs to reduce the symptoms.Seratonin, like the other biogenic amines (adrenalin, noradrenalin, histamine and dopamine) acts as both a hormone and a neurotransmitter (thank you to Annette for clarifying that for those who were not aware of this). It is involved with directing blood flow . High levels of circulating seratonin tend to cause blood vessel constriction and increased clotting. This results in ischaemia of local tissues (in the head in "normal migraine" but also in the abdomen in abdominal migraine). Therefore, raising levels of seratonin (e.g. by eating chocolate or taking SSRIs for example) can increase the frequency and severity of migraines. Seratonin release is also directly and indirectly affected by many other hormones, including prolactin and other pituitary hormones, plus oestrogen cortisol etc. This is why other factors such as hormone changes during the menstrual cycle and blood sugar imbalance can trigger the problem.The actual migraine process also involves a compensatory reaction which involves a massive release of histamine, causing blood vessel dilation and permeability, and resulting in congestion and inflammation of the affected tissues. During this phase, increasing the seratonin levels can therefore produce some symptom relief.I use herbs as well as dietary advice and nutritional supplements in order to help to balance levels of endogenous hormones. This is obviously completely individual, depending on the exact nature of the imbalance, but may involve adrenal tonics and herbs which decrease insulin release/ increase insulin sensitivity (in addition to blood sugar-balancing diet); stabilising of fluctuating oestrogen levels; or whatever balancing needs to be done depending on the individual. I would also look at stabilising blood flow, adaptogens etc.Best wishes,AnneMarieI see migraines as follows:1) a magnesium deficiency. About 80-85 % of sufferers belong to this group.Chocolate cravings are a tell-tale sign.Very easily remedied with magnesium (and B-vitamins: these two help each other get absorbed).Check why there's a magnesium (or B-vitamin) deficiency: stress? artificial hormones? too much sugar in the diet? something else?2) a reaction to aspartame, glutamate or various benzoates. About 10-15 % of sufferers belong to this group.A large intake of diet sodas (or similar) or a migraine after Chinese food are tell-tale signs.Stop these additives already ... which can be difficult, as aspartame can be very addictive; so help get rid of the addiction by helping the body produce dopamine and serotonine (= also add magnesium, B, C, E, iron, proteins, zinc, fish oil, and a general multivitamin).3) an allergic reaction. About 5 % of sufferers belong to this group.If somebody tells me they get a migraine every time they eat yeast bread I ask them to use their common sense and STOP eating yeast bread.4) a problem with monoamine oxidase foods.Some people get migraines from red wine, fermented cheese, and chocolate (among other foods). They should avoid them.Herbs, well, perhaps, but only after the cause of the problem has been taken care of.Best,H.

[Guest guest]

> However, my own experience is that this approach is not usually enough to

> solve the problem completely. Not everyone can avoid stress; and magnesium

> and B vitamin supplements are not generally enough by themselves to

> counteract the wide-ranging effects of stress on the body. Some people may

....

Great post, Thanks!

Henriette

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Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland

Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com

New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html

[Guest guest]

Great information, thanks.

As we're on the topic of migraines, I have a question: I received a call

from a migraine sufferer who mentioned that she thought her migraines

could be due to low levels of nitric oxide. Her health food shop

recommended L-arginine as a supplement to increase blood flow and

maintain the availability of nitric oxide.

Comments, please.

Thanks,

Kerry

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Kerry Hackett, MNIMH, AHG, OHA

Medical Herbalist

www.kerryhackett.ca

[Guest guest]

I think I read that Schizandra moderates NO levels..... evidence anyone? J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHGHerbalist To: ukherbal-list Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:30 AM Subject: Re: migraine, was: Re: teenager with stomach ache and headaches Great information,

thanks.As we're on the topic of migraines, I have a question: I received a call from a migraine sufferer who mentioned that she thought her migraines could be due to low levels of nitric oxide. Her health food shop recommended L-arginine as a supplement to increase blood flow and maintain the availability of nitric oxide.Comments, please.Thanks,Kerry-- Kerry Hackett, MNIMH, AHG, OHAMedical Herbalistwww.kerryhackett.ca------------------------------------List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH