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Hello Becky,

Decision making is never easy with LBD, but many caregivers have a life to

live too and emotions and guilt enter into the decision making. There is no

right and wrong in the decisions made. We all have different lifestyles and the

ones that you make are the ones that best fit you and your family.

Sad to say, but in the end our Loved Ones all end up the same way no matter

what road you take. The most important of all is that the Loved One is treated

with dignity and as a human being to the end. As far as I can see none of our

Loved Ones in this group are lacking that. You are here because you care.

The quantity of time that you can spend with your mom is not as important as

the quality of time that you put in with your mom.

If you have ever had small children, it is somewhat like when you start them

in a preschool and they are separated from you. They cry and they want to go

home, it is the same with a Loved One in a facility at first. If the staff where

your mom is are a nurturing, caring staff your mom will pick her favorites and

she will start to bond with some of them. As a parent of a small child your

first reaction is to rescue them and the same with a helpless parent. Be aware

of your mom's surroundings and how the staff treats the patients and if it all

seems to be a loving, caring facility your mom will acclimate at some point if

you don't make her anxious with your reactions to her emotions. When you are

there go around and introduce yourselves to other lady residents, so your mom

gets to know them. You chat with them too, so your mom feels comfortable about

them around her. If she sees you get along with them, she won't feel so lonely

having new friends. Even if she doesn't talk

,her friends will seek her out to sit with her, because they consider you a

friend and they will watch after her. Believe me, I know this works because I

have done this with my husband and he is never sitting alone or lonely and the

ladies tell me what goes on.

I don't know if this can be done in your working situation, but I have

requested to bring my husband home on weekends. I pick him up on Friday and

return him to the nh usually on Monday, sometimes on Sunday. He has the best of

both worlds and because he has friends at the nh, he aways goes back without a

problem, since I have introduced him to all the ladies. I introduced him to

ladies, because they are the most social. Men don't seem to talk unless a woman

talks to them or someone starts the conversation first. Men are not as nurturing

as woman. In our group there are some nurturing men, but as a whole they are not

as social as woman. If your mom is not in any activities she could feel lonely

and not getting enough stimulation. You know your mother better than anyone, so

if there is an activity like singing, exercise, arts and crafts or something on

the activity schedule you know that she would like to do, talk to the activity

director to make sure she is getting to some

of these activities.

My husband too gets cold and wears gloves and socks to bed, he also wears

gloves in the house when it is 100 outside and we don't have an a/c, so the

house is fairly warm too. The human thermostat doesn't work anymore. Some Loved

Ones sweat profusely, even in cold weather and others are freezing in hot

weather. I have heard both sides of the story here. When my husband entered the

nh he began to lose mobility too. He was walking with a walker at home and

before half a year at the nh he had lost that ability, because they have

liability laws at the nh and they did not want him getting up out of his

wheelchair without assistance, which they did not have time to walk him. There

is one lady that does that, but my husband would resist going with her and so

she quit trying to walk him. He did not get along with her personality, so he

did not get that exercise. I found out too late that he wasn't getting this

walking exercise, but I have made sure that he keeps his weight

bearing. I work with him holding the railing at the nh and standing up from his

chair and in the bathroom with the handicap bar, he can lift himself from his

wheelchair and pivot to sit on the toilet. He would not be doing that either if

I had let it go. On weekends when he is at home, he practices walkiing with the

walker and he can take about 12 -15 steps with a little assistance of holding

the walker steady for him and then he gets tired and wants to sit down. They

lose their muscle tone very fast if no one is exercising them and standing them

up. If your mother is not getting walking or weight bearing exercise make sure

to talk to someone about that. I now have a CNA at the nh that has volunteered

to make sure Jim gets weight bearing if I am not there. Jim does not qualify for

physical therapy at the nh.

My husband's Blood Pressure fluctuates too. It is up and down, but it is now

regulated with 6 mg of Atenolol. When his blood pressure was way up, the doctors

would want to give him blood pressure pills to lower it and then his blood

pressure would crash, he is very sensitive to blood pressure pills and then he

would faint and they would have to get him on Potassium Chloride to get the

pressure up again. He is on half of an Atenolol, which works just fine for him.

As far as support groups, it doesn't have to be LBD. Alzheimers or Parkinsons

support groups are great too. They were very helpful for us.

Please don't feel helpless, you have done the right thing in your situation.

She is not in a prison. Take her out to eat once in awhile. I take my husband

to the summer concerts in the park and pack a picnic lunch, he goes back to the

nh after. You can do little things with her to make her not feel so confined. If

she can't get in a car, sign her up for a handicap bus that will pick her up at

the nh and you too on the weekends and go on an outing. Leave your car in the

facility parking lot and get on the bus with her and go out. You will have to

have your request approved one time by her doctor to take her out, but if she is

able to get out, there should not be a problem and you will have to sign her out

and in each time. I have even taken my husband to hotels for a little mini

vacation on the weekends. Your mom will get used to the fact that even if she

goes back to the nursing home, she can still get out too at times. These are

just a few suggestions and I'll bet your

mom won't be crying and begging to go home all the time if she gets a taste of

getting out once in awhile...............Jan

rebecca kidd wrote:

Hello my name is Becky. My mother was recently diagnosed with LBD. While the

diagnosis in fairly recent, looking back the symptons have been going on for 18

months or more. Starting first with her hearing music and then on to

halluciations. She was in the hospital for a week and then sent to a nursing

home. I live 40 miles away and work full time and travel so I had no other

option. I can only visit on week-ends. I read some of the posting today and read

that maybe some of the things that are happening to her have happened to your

loved ones. She is always extremely cold, has large fluxuation in blood pressure

and she seems to be losong more mobility ieach day.

The very worse part is the same that Pat wrote. She thinks she's in trouble, has

done something wrong and is being punished. She wants to go home so badly and

cries. My heart is breaking or her. I don't know how to help her. I have never

felt so helpless in my life. I don't think there is a support group in Ohio, at

least not close to me.

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Jan:

Thank you for your supportive words. I'm sure this will get easier, but right

now I feel like I have to make so many decision and I don't have the tools to do

that. If I only had some answers. Mom is 85 and most of this started about 18

months ago. She is very bright and articulate and because of this I think she

was able to cover up a lot of things for so long. I would like to give her a

chance in assissted living, but we have to agree to a years lease and I don't

know what condition she'll be in in a years time. If after a few months she has

go to a NH, it probably won't be one as nice as the one she is in. This one has

a two year waiting list and we were very fortunate to get in when we did. She

got in because she was getting physical therapy and they had a opening for that.

Now that she's in she can stay, but if she leaves she'll have to go to the end

of the waiting list.

Also assisted living is quite pricey and if we have to pay out the years lease

and the NH it would deplete funds very rapidly.

I wish someone could give me an idea on how fast this will progress then I

could make an more informed decision.

Between the guilt and the decisions I feel so overwhelmed. I'm sure others

have felt this and I wonder how they have done it.

Again thanks for your letter you can't begin to know how much hust reading and

hearing what others are doing is helping.

Becky

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We did it a day at a time just like you are, Becky. Just a day at a time.

Hugs,

Donna R

Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in

a nh.

She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

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Jan:

Thank you for your supportive words. I'm sure this will get easier, but right

now I feel like I have to make so many decision and I don't have the tools to do

that. If I only had some answers. Mom is 85 and most of this started about 18

months ago. She is very bright and articulate and because of this I think she

was able to cover up a lot of things for so long. I would like to give her a

chance in assissted living, but we have to agree to a years lease and I don't

know what condition she'll be in in a years time. If after a few months she has

go to a NH, it probably won't be one as nice as the one she is in. This one has

a two year waiting list and we were very fortunate to get in when we did. She

got in because she was getting physical therapy and they had a opening for that.

Now that she's in she can stay, but if she leaves she'll have to go to the end

of the waiting list.

Also assisted living is quite pricey and if we have to pay out the years lease

and the NH it would deplete funds very rapidly.

I wish someone could give me an idea on how fast this will progress then I

could make an more informed decision.

Between the guilt and the decisions I feel so overwhelmed. I'm sure others

have felt this and I wonder how they have done it.

Again thanks for your letter you can't begin to know how much hust reading and

hearing what others are doing is helping.

Becky

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Becky,

Get ready for a long list of non-conclusive answers. We are in a similar

boat, and it seems somebody's out to get you which ever way you turn.

this group gives you the best shot at unbiased answers, but every case is

different..yada..yada!

We are on day one of ALF, but with LEWY, there's no way to predict.

Nothing is ever settled with this disease, and the treadmill fluxuates speed

without warning.

The progression of the disease is different for everyone, and one good UTI

(urinary tract infection) or broken hip can send the demented into

warp speed decline.

If i have learned anything from Lewy Body, it is that there is always another

shoe to drop.

i think the fact that the LO can't help with any of the decisions most of the

time is also stressful. I feel like a real bully when I have to make decisions

for Millie that she has no way to comprehend.

Millie's ability to argue is incredible when the adrenaline gets going.

Her reasoning kicks in when she doesn't like what's going on and it is hard to

believe this woman is demented, but ask this woman to fight her way out of a

paper sack mentally, and she turns to mush.

So, no help with an answer, but watch for fallen questions around every turn.

I notice that all the while Millie is going downhill, I have to overcompensate

uphill. It's kind of like being on a treadmill while it rolls down a hill.

Just remember you didn't apply for this job, you were chosen.

We are developing great wisdom and patience. It is a special job we do, that

95% of the population is ill-equipped to understand. I know this job is good

for our karma score somewhere down the line. I do hope somebody up there is

keeping score, because this is a rule-less game with limited day-to-day

satisfaction or appreciation. Some rounds I feel completely skunked.

Nailing down a good timeline is much like herding cats. Hammering Jello to the

side of a banana might well be as satisfying. That's the trouble with your

newer diseases. No definitive answers yet.

Lewy Body does develop a caregiver's prayer life, I think. Somedays, that's

all you got.

Welcome to " limbo without limits " !

Carol

rebecca kidd wrote:

Jan:

Thank you for your supportive words. I'm sure this will get easier, but right

now I feel like I have to make so many decision and I don't have the tools to do

that. If I only had some answers. Mom is 85 and most of this started about 18

months ago. She is very bright and articulate and because of this I think she

was able to cover up a lot of things for so long. I would like to give her a

chance in assissted living, but we have to agree to a years lease and I don't

know what condition she'll be in in a years time. If after a few months she has

go to a NH, it probably won't be one as nice as the one she is in. This one has

a two year waiting list and we were very fortunate to get in when we did. She

got in because she was getting physical therapy and they had a opening for that.

Now that she's in she can stay, but if she leaves she'll have to go to the end

of the waiting list.

Also assisted living is quite pricey and if we have to pay out the years lease

and the NH it would deplete funds very rapidly.

I wish someone could give me an idea on how fast this will progress then I could

make an more informed decision.

Between the guilt and the decisions I feel so overwhelmed. I'm sure others have

felt this and I wonder how they have done it.

Again thanks for your letter you can't begin to know how much hust reading and

hearing what others are doing is helping.

Becky

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Hello Becky

You sound like a very caring and supportive daughter and you're

getting great advice from everyone.

In the Uk (or at least where we live) ALF's are not a choice but care

in the community is increasingly offered as an alternative to a NH.

Which is great and gives our LO chance of independence with support

from care workers and families. Trouble is when the mobility and

ability to figure out the workings of the clothing in order the go to

the bathroom fails, Mum is left for a few hours waiting for

assistance to change her clothes/go to the bathroom.

We're at the point where it seems far too cruel to allow this

situation to continue and have to think very hard about placing her

in an NH which would be going against her wishes, the stress of

thinking of her unable to tend herself is as bad. We know how much it

upsets her to be unclean, as it were.

18 months ago she could just about deal with going to the bathroom,

now its nigh on impossible, like I said its not just the mobility but

the layers of clothing to contend with and she just can't figure it

all out anymore.

There are 5 siblings and their partners helping with her care plus a

team of social care workers, heaven knows how we'd cope with work and

our own commitments if there were only 1 of us.

My point is Becky, you seem to have placed your Mum in a good NH and

maybe the upheaval of change and the chance that it wouldn't work out

seems too great a disruption against losing her place where she is

now, just my thoughts.

Good luck and best regards

Dawn

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> Jan:

>

> Thank you for your supportive words. I'm sure this will get

easier, but right now I feel like I have to make so many decision and

I don't have the tools to do that. If I only had some answers. Mom

is 85 and most of this started about 18 months ago. She is very

bright and articulate and because of this I think she was able to

cover up a lot of things for so long. I would like to give her a

chance in assissted living, but we have to agree to a years lease and

I don't know what condition she'll be in in a years time. If after

a few months she has go to a NH, it probably won't be one as nice as

the one she is in. This one has a two year waiting list and we were

very fortunate to get in when we did. She got in because she was

getting physical therapy and they had a opening for that. Now that

she's in she can stay, but if she leaves she'll have to go to the end

of the waiting list.

> Also assisted living is quite pricey and if we have to pay out

the years lease and the NH it would deplete funds very rapidly.

> I wish someone could give me an idea on how fast this will

progress then I could make an more informed decision.

> Between the guilt and the decisions I feel so overwhelmed. I'm

sure others have felt this and I wonder how they have done it.

>

> Again thanks for your letter you can't begin to know how much

hust reading and hearing what others are doing is helping.

> Becky

>

>

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who knows.

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Becky,

I certainly feel for you. It's all very difficult and overwhelming. It's

very hard to say how your Mom will be in a year's time since everyone

reacts somewhat differently. Please remind me what her condition is at

this moment. Assisted Living facilities are very expense and, if you think

she'll need additional care (helping with bathing, etc), then you would

need to hire an aide to help as well.

rebecca kidd

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Jan:

Thank you for your supportive words. I'm sure this will get easier, but

right now I feel like I have to make so many decision and I don't have the

tools to do that. If I only had some answers. Mom is 85 and most of this

started about 18 months ago. She is very bright and articulate and because

of this I think she was able to cover up a lot of things for so long. I

would like to give her a chance in assissted living, but we have to agree

to a years lease and I don't know what condition she'll be in in a years

time. If after a few months she has go to a NH, it probably won't be one

as nice as the one she is in. This one has a two year waiting list and we

were very fortunate to get in when we did. She got in because she was

getting physical therapy and they had a opening for that. Now that she's

in she can stay, but if she leaves she'll have to go to the end of the

waiting list.

Also assisted living is quite pricey and if we have to pay out the years

lease and the NH it would deplete funds very rapidly.

I wish someone could give me an idea on how fast this will progress then I

could make an more informed decision.

Between the guilt and the decisions I feel so overwhelmed. I'm sure others

have felt this and I wonder how they have done it.

Again thanks for your letter you can't begin to know how much hust reading

and hearing what others are doing is helping.

Becky

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