Guest guest Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Hi Katharine,I wonder if her sleep orthodox medication has something to do with her high pulse pressure. Has she had any investigations eg carotid artery stenosis ect? I had one patient with similar numbers and he responded well to Crataegus and Ginko (but he was in his eighties and exercised a lot!).Good luckSubject: high pulse pressureTo: ukherbal-list Date: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011, 15:20 Dear List I wonder if anyone has thoughts on: - how to reduce a high pulse pressure (60-70mm/Hg) with herbs. This is a px I've just started treating for blood pressure which is not worryingly high in itself. The px has never exercised much, and I'm working on this with her. - she has intractable sleep problems (in her middle 60s now and has taken orthodox medicines at a low dose to help with sleep since age of 19). Has anyone a successful strategy to work on this? Self-recorded blood pressure readings are significantly worse after a particularly bad night. many thanks in anticipation Katharine (Locke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 I know that a consistently high pulse pressure [over 40mmHg] can be due to physical causes like arterial stenosis and hyperthyroid, but it can also be caused by anxiety and worry I believe. If this is a cause of her insomnia then it may also play a part in her high pulse pressure and so may respond to nervines. I would also check that all her organs of eliminations are working well... Maggie Maggie Pope BSc [Hons] MNIMH MCPPSedgemoor House39 Taunton RoadBridgwaterSomerset TA6 3LPwww.growingmedicine.co.ukinfo@...From: Katharine To: ukherbal-list Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011, 15:20Subject: high pulse pressure Dear List I wonder if anyone has thoughts on: - how to reduce a high pulse pressure (60-70mm/Hg) with herbs. This is a px I've just started treating for blood pressure which is not worryingly high in itself. The px has never exercised much, and I'm working on this with her. - she has intractable sleep problems (in her middle 60s now and has taken orthodox medicines at a low dose to help with sleep since age of 19). Has anyone a successful strategy to work on this? Self-recorded blood pressure readings are significantly worse after a particularly bad night. many thanks in anticipation Katharine (Locke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 If I recall correctly aortic stenosis can also cause high pulse pressure, as can prolonged stress J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHGHerbalistTo: ukherbal-list Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:03 PMSubject: Re: high pulse pressure Hi Katharine,I wonder if her sleep orthodox medication has something to do with her high pulse pressure. Has she had any investigations eg carotid artery stenosis ect? I had one patient with similar numbers and he responded well to Crataegus and Ginko (but he was in his eighties and exercised a lot!).Good luckSubject: high pulse pressureTo: ukherbal-list Date: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011, 15:20 Dear List I wonder if anyone has thoughts on: - how to reduce a high pulse pressure (60-70mm/Hg) with herbs. This is a px I've just started treating for blood pressure which is not worryingly high in itself. The px has never exercised much, and I'm working on this with her. - she has intractable sleep problems (in her middle 60s now and has taken orthodox medicines at a low dose to help with sleep since age of 19). Has anyone a successful strategy to work on this? Self-recorded blood pressure readings are significantly worse after a particularly bad night. many thanks in anticipation Katharine (Locke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Hi I don't have anything herbal to add, but I do have a behavioural technique which has served me well over the years. With a long-standing sleep disturbance, the mental association of being in bed with being asleep has been disrupted. Sleep is very sensitive to behavioural disturbance - witness the fact that a child who has woken with illness, however brief, will often continue to wake at more or less the same time for several nights thereafter. The sufferer needs to re-establish the connection between bed and sleep, by following the steps below: - first establish a good, calming bedtime routine with quiet activities - avoid coffee, tea, coca cola, computer use etc. A herbal sleep mix may or may not form part of this. - second, keep bed just for sleeping - all other activities (reading, TV, sex) should take place somewhere else in the house. - once in bed, whatever the timing of the disturbed sleep, once they become aware that sleep is not happening, they should get up, go somewhere else (making sure they have somewhere warm and quiet to go to), and do whatever; read, watch quiet TV, listen to music, make a warm drink. Wait until they start to feel sleepy, then go back to bed. - if they don't succeed in getting off to sleep, or if they sleep then wake again, repeat this - as many times as necessary. Over a period of usually a few nights, but maybe longer for a chronic sleep problem, the brain starts to re-build the association between bed and sleep and things should start to improve. Ensuring the bed is warm and comfortable, the room temperature is right for them, pillows are right for them - all these things help too. If the sleep problem resolves, but then re-occurs at a later date, they just go back to using the same technique. It puts the person back in control, avoids the awfulness of lying there wishing they were asleep, gives them 'permission' not to be asleep for a while without being anxious about it - all these things are important. Hope this helps Alison Morton > > Hi Katharine > > Do you think she could be hyperthyroid? > Verity > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Many thanks for all replies. The px is hypothyroid, on Thyroxine for some years. In terms of reducing the orthodox sleep medicines, do you have any tips? best Katharine > > > > Hi Katharine > > > > Do you think she could be hyperthyroid? > > Verity > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Hi, what meds is she on? therri From: Katharine Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:13 AM To: ukherbal-list Subject: Re: High pulse pressure Many thanks for all replies. The px is hypothyroid, on Thyroxine for some years.In terms of reducing the orthodox sleep medicines, do you have any tips?bestKatharine> >> > Hi Katharine> > > > Do you think she could be hyperthyroid?> > Verity> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Could these be side effects of her Thyroxine meds (too high)? t From: Katharine Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:13 AM To: ukherbal-list Subject: Re: High pulse pressure Many thanks for all replies. The px is hypothyroid, on Thyroxine for some years.In terms of reducing the orthodox sleep medicines, do you have any tips?bestKatharine> >> > Hi Katharine> > > > Do you think she could be hyperthyroid?> > Verity> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Thanks for all input. The only orthodox medication she's on is the Thyroxine. I'll bear all your ideas in mind and thanks Alison for the behavioural technique. best wishes Katharine > > > > > > Hi Katharine > > > > > > Do you think she could be hyperthyroid? > > > Verity > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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