Guest guest Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Helen wrote I have two menopausal patients describing a similar odd sensation - a buzzing / vibrating feeling in the chest/neck/head regions. Both describe it as very unpleasant and prevents sleep for one of them. Anyone come across anything similar, or can offer an explanation? Any suggested treatment? Auscultate the heart for murmurs Helen. Menzies-Trull BA [Hons] Film and Television. Documentary film-maker. Herbalist, Naturopath and Iridologist [Practice established in 1979] 16 Grosvenor Road Newcastle Staffs ST5 1LW England 01782 713977 www.isisherbs.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 do they have any indications of thyroid isssues as these can cause " internal trembling " sensations regards ,annette menopause sensation I have two menopausal patients describing a similar odd sensation - a buzzing / vibrating feeling in the chest/neck/head regions. Both describe it as very unpleasant and prevents sleep for one of them. Anyone come across anything similar, or can offer an explanation? Any suggested treatment? The classic menopause herbs eg. Salvia, Leonurus have not helped. Helen Duxbury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I have had a menopausal patient complaining of this. It settled with nervines and adrenal restoratives. She was a very very busy lady who never rested or stopped and saw urgency in everything. She noticed it when she laid down at night. I saw it as an excess of sympathetic tone. As I understand it - FSH rises in menopause in an attempt to stimulate egg production - this is on surges of 90minutes-ish. Large surges of FSH causes adrenal stimulation and the flush that is similar to an adrenaline surge. Humulus modulates FSH. It combines with skullcap nicely to alleviate hot flushes and nervous surges. Leonorus is nice but I find large doses are needed and it combines well with passiflora. Good luck. Zoe Medical Herbalist MNIMH CPP Dip. Phyt. Buteyko Breathing Practitoner " Wild Drugs " 'A Foragers Guide to Healing Plants' Gaia 2010 Bath 01761 439920 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Dear Helen,I have experienced something like that a few years ago, and since then have come across it in a few patients. I found it quite disturbing at the time but decided to ignore it after extensive cardiological investigations (all was in perfect order ) and the sensation just went away. Same story with the patients. No harm to have investigations done (thyroid as well). Otherwise nervines.RegardsSubject: menopause sensationTo: "ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list >Date: Tuesday, 11 October, 2011, 20:39 I have two menopausal patients describing a similar odd sensation - a buzzing / vibrating feeling in the chest/neck/head regions. Both describe it as very unpleasant and prevents sleep for one of them. Anyone come across anything similar, or can offer an explanation? Any suggested treatment? The classic menopause herbs eg. Salvia, Leonurus have not helped. Helen Duxbury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Hi Not been on list for a while so apologies if this doesn't work properly... What's the blood pressure like for your two ladies? This sounds a little like hypertension - if they're busy busy women, BP may be labile, may benefit from reviewing lifestyle and considering taking life a tad slower? Also anxiety can produce this and agree with other writer re thyroid issues/adrenaline surges. Have found Withania to be invaluable, coupled with Crataegus, Leonurus, and nervines of your choice. Alison > > I have had a menopausal patient complaining of this. It settled with nervines and adrenal restoratives. She was a very very busy lady who never rested or stopped and saw urgency in everything. She noticed it when she laid down at night. I saw it as an excess of sympathetic tone. > As I understand it - FSH rises in menopause in an attempt to stimulate egg production - this is on surges of 90minutes-ish. Large surges of FSH causes adrenal stimulation and the flush that is similar to an adrenaline surge. > > Humulus modulates FSH. It combines with skullcap nicely to alleviate hot flushes and nervous surges. Leonorus is nice but I find large doses are needed and it combines well with passiflora. > > Good luck. > Zoe > > > > Medical Herbalist > MNIMH CPP Dip. Phyt. > Buteyko Breathing Practitoner > > " Wild Drugs " 'A Foragers Guide to Healing Plants' Gaia 2010 > > Bath > 01761 439920 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 > As I understand it - FSH rises in menopause in an attempt to stimulate egg > production - this is on surges of 90minutes-ish. Large surges of FSH causes > adrenal stimulation and the flush that is similar to an adrenaline surge. Really? Interesting! I've been taught that it's the progesterone: there's no egg in menopause, therefore no ovulation, and thus no eggcup with which to produce progesterone. That means that the hypothalamus and pituitary SHOUT OUT with loads of gonadotropin releasing hormone -> luteinizing hormone, still no progesterone, more GRH and LH, still no progesterone, even more GRH and LH ... .... until the thyroid starts to react. If you throw in stress as well your hyperthyroid symptoms get even worse. So do relax, laugh it off if you can. Because stressing out about it doesn't help one bit. And black cohosh helps, not because it does anything in particular, but because the leftovers thrown out by the liver look like bits of progesterone, which makes the hypothalamus and pituitary SHUT UP already. 'course, black cohosh doesn't suit everybody: those who get a headache from it shouldn't take it. > Humulus modulates FSH. It combines with skullcap nicely to alleviate hot > flushes and nervous surges. Leonorus is nice but I find large doses are > needed and it combines well with passiflora. (Leonurus helps you relax, Lycopus makes the over-reacting thyroid SHUT UP already ...) Sage is also very nice: tea, hot or cold doesn't matter. It's possible that _bitters_ help ... cos sage, hops and leonurus are all bitter. And thus cooling ... Best, H. -- Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com Uusi kirja: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/fi/kayt-laak.html Ny bok: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/sv/prakt-lake.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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