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I've heard these mentioned and am thinking my grandma

could benefit from some but can't get her doctors to

see where I'm coming from. Grandma is getting

progressively sleepier and sleepier all the time and

I've mentioned it to her senior care doc AND her

neurologist and they blow me off every time!!! They

just say " Well she's on a lot of meds that will make

her sleepy. " THAT ISN'T IT!!! Her meds have not

changed in over a year and she is getting more sleepy

(in the day time) all the time. If she sits still for

more than 5 minutes without someone demanding her

attention she's asleep. I can't get her doctors to

see how much this is pulling down her quality of life.

I mentioned Provigil (or some other stimulant if that

interacts with her other meds) and the docs looked at

me like I was an idiot. Any advice on how to make

them understand?

Thanks in advance for the help!

Emma

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Print out the Boeve paper at:

http://www.lewybodydementia.org/Boevelink.php

and refer them to the section about psychomotor slowing and

hypersomnolence. This is not woo-ee; there is increasing evidence

that DLB and PD-like disorders damage the part of the brain that makes

hypocretin, the chemical that keeps you awake.

Additionally, I believe that Dr. Boeve would be willing to consult

with the neurologist directly through the Mayo Clinic's professional

consult service. There's a paper that is not yet released about this

very topic, and it's invaluable in getting buy-in.

Five people this week have sent me email that they've tried a

stimulant and it was like they got their loved one back. I can't say

enough about how well these drugs can work for some people, Cal included.

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Do you have additional information concerning the Mayo Clinic's

professional consult service, or where I can obtain the related

paper on this topic?

Thanks, Ron

> ,

>

> Reading your post made me feel sad for my mom. Wish I had known

about this class of drugs before but I suppose its too late now for

mom.

> Courage

>

> Re: Psychostimulants ()

>

> Print out the Boeve paper at:

>

> http://www.lewybodydementia.org/Boevelink.php

>

> and refer them to the section about psychomotor slowing and

> hypersomnolence. This is not woo-ee; there is increasing evidence

> that DLB and PD-like disorders damage the part of the brain that

makes

> hypocretin, the chemical that keeps you awake.

>

> Additionally, I believe that Dr. Boeve would be willing to consult

> with the neurologist directly through the Mayo Clinic's

professional

> consult service. There's a paper that is not yet released about

this

> very topic, and it's invaluable in getting buy-in.

>

> Five people this week have sent me email that they've tried a

> stimulant and it was like they got their loved one back. I can't

say

> enough about how well these drugs can work for some people, Cal

included.

>

>

>

>

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Hi Dianne,

In reading your post about your father's heart condition, please be

vigilant in watching for any negative effects of Seroquel. I hope

your MD is aware of the heart condition and is monitoring it.

My father had a minor heart attack within a month after starting on

Seroquel...no conclusive determination that it was caused by the

Seroquel, but I suspected it. If you google seroquel & heart

conditions, you will see some of the precautions.

Prior heart conditions limits many of the antipsychotics that they

may otherwise want to use.

It's always something.

Take care,

Daughter of Bill, 92

-- In LBDcaregivers , Dianne

wrote:

>

> ,

> You mention an unpublished paper about psychostimulants and/or

Mayo consultation services--how can we get access to that (or can

we?)? My dad's neurologist was not willing to even think about the

provigil regimin--said we hadn't given the Seroquel time enough to

work. But the geriatric doc working with the NH is willing to

consider it. They said that dad's prior heart attack might cause a

problem, however, because the psychostimulants impact the heart. We

are trying to get an appt with Dr. Graff-Radford at the Mayo in Jax,

but don't think we can get in for a few months.

> Dianne P

> daughter of Bill, 84

>

> gaat17 wrote:

> ,

>

> Reading your post made me feel sad for my mom. Wish I had known

about this class of drugs before but I suppose its too late now for

mom.

> Courage

>

> Re: Psychostimulants ()

>

> Print out the Boeve paper at:

>

> http://www.lewybodydementia.org/Boevelink.php

>

> and refer them to the section about psychomotor slowing and

> hypersomnolence. This is not woo-ee; there is increasing evidence

> that DLB and PD-like disorders damage the part of the brain that

makes

> hypocretin, the chemical that keeps you awake.

>

> Additionally, I believe that Dr. Boeve would be willing to consult

> with the neurologist directly through the Mayo Clinic's professional

> consult service. There's a paper that is not yet released about this

> very topic, and it's invaluable in getting buy-in.

>

> Five people this week have sent me email that they've tried a

> stimulant and it was like they got their loved one back. I can't say

> enough about how well these drugs can work for some people, Cal

included.

>

>

>

>

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Yeah, the paper is embargoed for legal clearance, it does exist. The

most current published peer-reviewed information on psychostimulants

in DLB remains the Continuum paper.

The MD referral and consultation page for Mayo Rochester is:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/medicalprofs-rst/referring.html

There is information there on MD-to-MD consults.

The other campuses have similar services.

The Boeve _Continuum_ paper doesn't do a great job of discussing

cardiac risk from Provigil, or really, the risks of any of the drugs.

But if you look a little deeper into the trial data and postmarketing

experience, you'll find that Provigil doesn't activate the peripheral

nervous system like caffeine or amphetamines, so it doesn't make the

heart work harder independent of increased physical activity. Our

cardiologist was initially concerned about Cal's heart and these

drugs, but we monitored BP and heart rate very closely for a period of

time and didn't see a big change.

They are potent drugs, and a lot of prescribers are shy about them,

because of the Bad Reputation that amphetamines have (abuse,

diversion, psychosis), but it just hasn't been borne out with the

novel stimulant Provigil, and amphetamine use in the elderly is not

exactly new or cutting-edge.

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Emma,

I am not an MD. But when I had a problem, I tried some things. Maybe she needs

a different MD?

MDs who don't listen, need to be educated and if that means finding someone who

does understand, I would try to find one who would work with me. I had a GP who

didn't know a lot about LBD, but he knew an trusted me when I talked to him

about Mom and that was worth a lot.

Hugs,

Donna R

Caregave for Mom (after I brought her from WI to MI) for 3 years and 4th year in

a nh.

She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine.

Psychostimulants ()

I've heard these mentioned and am thinking my grandma

could benefit from some but can't get her doctors to

see where I'm coming from. Grandma is getting

progressively sleepier and sleepier all the time and

I've mentioned it to her senior care doc AND her

neurologist and they blow me off every time!!! They

just say " Well she's on a lot of meds that will make

her sleepy. " THAT ISN'T IT!!! Her meds have not

changed in over a year and she is getting more sleepy

(in the day time) all the time. If she sits still for

more than 5 minutes without someone demanding her

attention she's asleep. I can't get her doctors to

see how much this is pulling down her quality of life.

I mentioned Provigil (or some other stimulant if that

interacts with her other meds) and the docs looked at

me like I was an idiot. Any advice on how to make

them understand?

Thanks in advance for the help!

Emma

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Donna,

I see you're in Michigan, do you have any

recommendations about doctors? We are in MI too in

the Brighton/Ann Arbor area. Right now grandma is

seeing a doc at the Senior Health Center at St. Joes

in Ann Arbor and as I said, we aren't very happy with

that doc as she 1) doesn't take what I say into

consideration much and 2) she just seems to always be

in a hurry and not have time to discuss things.

Thanks for your help!

Emma

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Hi Diane,

I'm glad you are starting to see some improvements. It is nerve

wracking(sp?) while they experiment to get the meds right. Everyone

is so different, there is no " standard " ...but the gut just knows when

there has to be a better answer.

I hope you continue to find what works the best and that you get to

enjoy your dad.

All the best,

Daughter of Bill, 92

> > ,

> >

> > Reading your post made me feel sad for my mom. Wish I had known

> about this class of drugs before but I suppose its too late now for

> mom.

> > Courage

> >

> > Re: Psychostimulants ()

> >

> > Print out the Boeve paper at:

> >

> > http://www.lewybodydementia.org/Boevelink.php

> >

> > and refer them to the section about psychomotor slowing and

> > hypersomnolence. This is not woo-ee; there is increasing evidence

> > that DLB and PD-like disorders damage the part of the brain that

> makes

> > hypocretin, the chemical that keeps you awake.

> >

> > Additionally, I believe that Dr. Boeve would be willing to consult

> > with the neurologist directly through the Mayo Clinic's

professional

> > consult service. There's a paper that is not yet released about

this

> > very topic, and it's invaluable in getting buy-in.

> >

> > Five people this week have sent me email that they've tried a

> > stimulant and it was like they got their loved one back. I can't

say

> > enough about how well these drugs can work for some people, Cal

> included.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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