Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Sounds like the dog has a hip subluxation and keeping the leg straight and abducted maintains it in the reduced position. If no Ortolani sign was elicited on the exam start it at more adduction and it may show itself. Can you send a picture? > > > Need some advice. Just saw a golden retriever (a little under a year of age), 8 months if I recall correctly. Dog sits with his R hindlimb abducted, somewhat similar to dogs with an ACL tear. I cannot find any abnormalities on orthopedic exam. They plan on showing him and need to resolve this issue. Any thoughts on underlying cause? > Kim Danoff, DVM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Sorry Kim, I missed the sitting part but it doesn't change much - keeping the leg straight and abducted during walking and abducted while sitting/laying keeps it reduced and more comfortable. Any pics would be great. > > > > > > Need some advice. Just saw a golden retriever (a little under a year of age), 8 months if I recall correctly. Dog sits with his R hindlimb abducted, somewhat similar to dogs with an ACL tear. I cannot find any abnormalities on orthopedic exam. They plan on showing him and need to resolve this issue. Any thoughts on underlying cause? > > Kim Danoff, DVM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Kim has the same thoughts as me. I would suggest PennHIP evaluation to get more info,as maybe this dog isn't show quality in all regards. Regards, Freedman VMD CCRT Sorry Kim, I missed the sitting part but it doesn't change much - keeping the leg straight and abducted during walking and abducted while sitting/laying keeps it reduced and more comfortable. Any pics would be great. > >> > > > Need some advice. Just saw a golden retriever (a little under a year of age), 8 months if I recall correctly. Dog sits with his R hindlimb abducted, somewhat similar to dogs with an ACL tear. I cannot find any abnormalities on orthopedic exam. They plan on showing him and need to resolve this issue. Any thoughts on underlying cause? > > Kim Danoff, DVM> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Hey Kim, good morning , If no Ortolani is present it may be somewhat behavioral. But it may also help to get films done and/or sedate. Ortolani is always easier to elicit under sedation. I've seen a handful of puppies that have " sloppy " sits and no pain or a " true " dx. Sometimes I think the sit was just never taught square, or in other words, it was taught sloppy. Puppies are still learning and some just don't know any better, like a bad habit. But maybe something did set that habit off. He may need a little more training and some core work. Most pups lack good control of their lower core anyway. Should go away with stabilizing exercises though. Here's a few... Sit to stands(square, both legs flexed and tucked under him. That's the only way he should be rewarded, I'd use a clicker/ positive reinforcement...) Beg(have to be square for this one, he will have a hard time doing this sitting sloppy) Walking down steep declines. This requires little to no training. Reverse 2on/2off- I personally like this one:) Though I like the dog to stay in a standing posture the whole time, like towards the end of the video. Also, the lower the step, the easier it is, I generally start very low(2-3 " on a GR of the age you described) Of course there are handfuls more, just depends on what you feel comfortable teaching. I have seen trainers teach their dogs to sit in boxes before too, to get " square sits " . Not sure if id go that route, but its a way. My pennies... Robby J Porter III VT, LMT, CCRP Animal Rehabilitation Center 2611 Florida St Mandeville, LA www.lavrc.com Sent from my iPhone Need some advice. Just saw a golden retriever (a little under a year of age), 8 months if I recall correctly. Dog sits with his R hindlimb abducted, somewhat similar to dogs with an ACL tear. I cannot find any abnormalities on orthopedic exam. They plan on showing him and need to resolve this issue. Any thoughts on underlying cause? Kim Danoff, DVM J Porter III VT, LMT, CCRP Animal Rehabilitation Center 2611 Florida St Mandeville, LA www.lavrc.com Sent from my iPhone Need some advice. Just saw a golden retriever (a little under a year of age), 8 months if I recall correctly. Dog sits with his R hindlimb abducted, somewhat similar to dogs with an ACL tear. I cannot find any abnormalities on orthopedic exam. They plan on showing him and need to resolve this issue. Any thoughts on underlying cause? Kim Danoff, DVM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Hey Kim, great answers so far! Quick question, is there any lameness, pain, difficulty rising? Regardless I would recommend Penn Hip eval, plus then you can palpate well after the study. IMHO palpation without sedation is not sufficient to determine positive or negative ortoloni. Good luck, Pam Nichols DVM CCRPSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: VetRehab Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:12:07 -0000To: <VetRehab >ReplyTo: VetRehab Subject: Re: lab Sorry Kim, I missed the sitting part but it doesn't change much - keeping the leg straight and abducted during walking and abducted while sitting/laying keeps it reduced and more comfortable. Any pics would be great.> >> > > > Need some advice. Just saw a golden retriever (a little under a year of age), 8 months if I recall correctly. Dog sits with his R hindlimb abducted, somewhat similar to dogs with an ACL tear. I cannot find any abnormalities on orthopedic exam. They plan on showing him and need to resolve this issue. Any thoughts on underlying cause?> > Kim Danoff, DVM> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Hi Kim. My two cents (for what they're worth)... I'd focus at the stifle and/or the LS area. Is the pelvis tucking also at a sit? Have you done a McMurray test? Any effusion? I do remember hearing about " puppy drawer " from one or more of our surgeons online. I don't excuse the sloppy sit that these dogs will do. There's something there that the pup is trying to release (or make room for). Normal ROM AND flexibility? Quad length? Common calcaneal length? Good luck. Amie > Hey Kim, great answers so far! Quick question, is there any lameness, pain, difficulty rising? Regardless I would recommend Penn Hip eval, plus then you can palpate well after the study. IMHO palpation without sedation is not sufficient to determine positive or negative ortoloni. Good luck, > Pam Nichols DVM CCRP > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > Sender: VetRehab > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:12:07 -0000 > To: <VetRehab > > ReplyTo: VetRehab > Subject: Re: lab > > > Sorry Kim, I missed the sitting part but it doesn't change much - keeping the leg straight and abducted during walking and abducted while sitting/laying keeps it reduced and more comfortable. Any pics would be great. > > > > > > > > > > > Need some advice. Just saw a golden retriever (a little under a year of age), 8 months if I recall correctly. Dog sits with his R hindlimb abducted, somewhat similar to dogs with an ACL tear. I cannot find any abnormalities on orthopedic exam. They plan on showing him and need to resolve this issue. Any thoughts on underlying cause? > > > Kim Danoff, DVM > > > > > > > > Amie Lamoreaux Hesbach, MSPT, CCRP, CCRT Physical Therapist (Physical Therapy & Rehabilitation Provider) Massachusetts Veterinary Referral Hospital 20 Cabot Road Woburn, MA 01801 Phone: Fax: E-mail: ahesbach@... Website: www.IVGMassVet.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Sorry for such an old post...regarding puppy sitting with hip abducted. I've seen this in a puppy with a lumbosacral spine injury. Liz Powers, CCRT, MPT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Forgot to add that I suspect this is due to instability secondary to disc protruding on nerve root. Liz Powers, CCRT, MPT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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