Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 My regular pediatrician and I have been trying to figure out what is going on with my child (11) since last fall. He has always preferred sedentary activities but it seemed to get worse (gap widened between he and his peers). The doctor thinks he is just out of shape and needs some exercise. He is very thin and has always been " low tone " . He also is very intolerant to heat and cold. He wants to give up all his activities and his mental energy is really low. He has a meltdown if he has to solve a problem. He is capable of going to 4-H camp this summer but is hesitant because he is afraid he will get tired. I was telling the doc about Dr. JM's temperature test for thyroid and she admitted that even though his thyroid test numbers fall in the normal range that if his temps were low he could have a problem. I did this test twice and got underarm temps 97.6 or below for four days in a row twice. Should I do this more to establish a problem? She is familiar with this issue because her husband is a dentist and he takes thyroid medicine because - guess what - he's mercury poisoned (duh!) She left the ball in my court and said she would do whatever I wanted to do but was leary of giving him thyroid meds because she feels like it might not be a good thing to start. Once started is anyone ever able to go off them? Could they do some damage? Should I ask for further testing? Should I ask for a referal? I'd love any feedback on this issue that I can get. Thanks. H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 - My family has mitochondrial disorder, with very similar symptoms in many ways, normal thyroid function tests and the low am body temps. I wonder (and think that it is plausible) if you can get low am body temps if you have a disorder of energy metabolism, like mito disorder. My autistic son was a couch potato, needed to be carried, very low tone, weak and motor delayed until we found his severe Carnitine deficiency. We started the mito cocktail (Carnitine, CoQ10, B vits, antioxidants - he had actually been on most of it via DAN management) with truly amazing results - got up off the couch, was able to run and ride a trike for the first time in his life, etc. It was striking. I have 3 kids with special needs, 2 on the spectrum, and an extended family history full of medical problems - in short, we're nearing the end of a work up on the most involved child, and we're falling under the umbrella of mito. There is info in the ck2 files, and you can look at www.umdf.org, or google mitochondrial disorder, fatty acid oxidation disorder, pediatric neurotransmitter disorder (not all at the same time!) - there is a ton of overlap with some of the kids, especially the low tone, weak, motor delayed ones. My oldest daughter sounds a lot like your son. She has severe ADHD, ODD, migraines, asthma and allergies. She literally failed to thrive until we got her off high doses of Ritalin SR and MDI steroids (and prn oral steroids). Even though no one med was thought to be enough to cause the FTT, together I think that they had an impact. We started Singulair, then PND testing and sublingual immunotherapy, and were able to get rid of the asthma meds. She still takes Concerta (and was on Clonidine for a few years), and we found that Concerta didn't suppress her appetite as much. Of course, it could be the mito as well, now that we know about that. My kids need lots of rest and down time, or they get sick. She just turned down a church trip to Hershey Park because it sounded like too much for her. HTH, Kathy Re: Thyroid > My regular pediatrician and I have been trying to figure out what is > going on with my child (11) since last fall. He has always preferred > sedentary activities but it seemed to get worse (gap widened between he > and his peers). The doctor thinks he is just out of shape and needs > some exercise. He is very thin and has always been " low tone " . He > also is very intolerant to heat and cold. He wants to give up all his > activities and his mental energy is really low. He has a meltdown if > he has to solve a problem. He is capable of going to 4-H camp this > summer but is hesitant because he is afraid he will get tired. > > I was telling the doc about Dr. JM's temperature test for thyroid and > she admitted that even though his thyroid test numbers fall in the > normal range that if his temps were low he could have a problem. I did > this test twice and got underarm temps 97.6 or below for four days in a > row twice. Should I do this more to establish a problem? She is > familiar with this issue because her husband is a dentist and he takes > thyroid medicine because - guess what - he's mercury poisoned (duh!) > She left the ball in my court and said she would do whatever I wanted > to do but was leary of giving him thyroid meds because she feels like > it might not be a good thing to start. Once started is anyone > ever able to go off them? Could they do some damage? Should I ask for > further testing? Should I ask for a referal? I'd love any feedback on > this issue that I can get. Thanks. > > H. > > > > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at > <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 - My family has mitochondrial disorder, with very similar symptoms in many ways, normal thyroid function tests and the low am body temps. I wonder (and think that it is plausible) if you can get low am body temps if you have a disorder of energy metabolism, like mito disorder. My autistic son was a couch potato, needed to be carried, very low tone, weak and motor delayed until we found his severe Carnitine deficiency. We started the mito cocktail (Carnitine, CoQ10, B vits, antioxidants - he had actually been on most of it via DAN management) with truly amazing results - got up off the couch, was able to run and ride a trike for the first time in his life, etc. It was striking. I have 3 kids with special needs, 2 on the spectrum, and an extended family history full of medical problems - in short, we're nearing the end of a work up on the most involved child, and we're falling under the umbrella of mito. There is info in the ck2 files, and you can look at www.umdf.org, or google mitochondrial disorder, fatty acid oxidation disorder, pediatric neurotransmitter disorder (not all at the same time!) - there is a ton of overlap with some of the kids, especially the low tone, weak, motor delayed ones. My oldest daughter sounds a lot like your son. She has severe ADHD, ODD, migraines, asthma and allergies. She literally failed to thrive until we got her off high doses of Ritalin SR and MDI steroids (and prn oral steroids). Even though no one med was thought to be enough to cause the FTT, together I think that they had an impact. We started Singulair, then PND testing and sublingual immunotherapy, and were able to get rid of the asthma meds. She still takes Concerta (and was on Clonidine for a few years), and we found that Concerta didn't suppress her appetite as much. Of course, it could be the mito as well, now that we know about that. My kids need lots of rest and down time, or they get sick. She just turned down a church trip to Hershey Park because it sounded like too much for her. HTH, Kathy Re: Thyroid > My regular pediatrician and I have been trying to figure out what is > going on with my child (11) since last fall. He has always preferred > sedentary activities but it seemed to get worse (gap widened between he > and his peers). The doctor thinks he is just out of shape and needs > some exercise. He is very thin and has always been " low tone " . He > also is very intolerant to heat and cold. He wants to give up all his > activities and his mental energy is really low. He has a meltdown if > he has to solve a problem. He is capable of going to 4-H camp this > summer but is hesitant because he is afraid he will get tired. > > I was telling the doc about Dr. JM's temperature test for thyroid and > she admitted that even though his thyroid test numbers fall in the > normal range that if his temps were low he could have a problem. I did > this test twice and got underarm temps 97.6 or below for four days in a > row twice. Should I do this more to establish a problem? She is > familiar with this issue because her husband is a dentist and he takes > thyroid medicine because - guess what - he's mercury poisoned (duh!) > She left the ball in my court and said she would do whatever I wanted > to do but was leary of giving him thyroid meds because she feels like > it might not be a good thing to start. Once started is anyone > ever able to go off them? Could they do some damage? Should I ask for > further testing? Should I ask for a referal? I'd love any feedback on > this issue that I can get. Thanks. > > H. > > > > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at > <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 - My family has mitochondrial disorder, with very similar symptoms in many ways, normal thyroid function tests and the low am body temps. I wonder (and think that it is plausible) if you can get low am body temps if you have a disorder of energy metabolism, like mito disorder. My autistic son was a couch potato, needed to be carried, very low tone, weak and motor delayed until we found his severe Carnitine deficiency. We started the mito cocktail (Carnitine, CoQ10, B vits, antioxidants - he had actually been on most of it via DAN management) with truly amazing results - got up off the couch, was able to run and ride a trike for the first time in his life, etc. It was striking. I have 3 kids with special needs, 2 on the spectrum, and an extended family history full of medical problems - in short, we're nearing the end of a work up on the most involved child, and we're falling under the umbrella of mito. There is info in the ck2 files, and you can look at www.umdf.org, or google mitochondrial disorder, fatty acid oxidation disorder, pediatric neurotransmitter disorder (not all at the same time!) - there is a ton of overlap with some of the kids, especially the low tone, weak, motor delayed ones. My oldest daughter sounds a lot like your son. She has severe ADHD, ODD, migraines, asthma and allergies. She literally failed to thrive until we got her off high doses of Ritalin SR and MDI steroids (and prn oral steroids). Even though no one med was thought to be enough to cause the FTT, together I think that they had an impact. We started Singulair, then PND testing and sublingual immunotherapy, and were able to get rid of the asthma meds. She still takes Concerta (and was on Clonidine for a few years), and we found that Concerta didn't suppress her appetite as much. Of course, it could be the mito as well, now that we know about that. My kids need lots of rest and down time, or they get sick. She just turned down a church trip to Hershey Park because it sounded like too much for her. HTH, Kathy Re: Thyroid > My regular pediatrician and I have been trying to figure out what is > going on with my child (11) since last fall. He has always preferred > sedentary activities but it seemed to get worse (gap widened between he > and his peers). The doctor thinks he is just out of shape and needs > some exercise. He is very thin and has always been " low tone " . He > also is very intolerant to heat and cold. He wants to give up all his > activities and his mental energy is really low. He has a meltdown if > he has to solve a problem. He is capable of going to 4-H camp this > summer but is hesitant because he is afraid he will get tired. > > I was telling the doc about Dr. JM's temperature test for thyroid and > she admitted that even though his thyroid test numbers fall in the > normal range that if his temps were low he could have a problem. I did > this test twice and got underarm temps 97.6 or below for four days in a > row twice. Should I do this more to establish a problem? She is > familiar with this issue because her husband is a dentist and he takes > thyroid medicine because - guess what - he's mercury poisoned (duh!) > She left the ball in my court and said she would do whatever I wanted > to do but was leary of giving him thyroid meds because she feels like > it might not be a good thing to start. Once started is anyone > ever able to go off them? Could they do some damage? Should I ask for > further testing? Should I ask for a referal? I'd love any feedback on > this issue that I can get. Thanks. > > H. > > > > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at > <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Hello herbalists, is there anyone with lots of experience with thyroid problems? One of my friends is taking thyroxine for underactive thyroid, but no matter how much he takes, he still feels tired. His TSH is very high, but his T4 is normal. I gave him Astragalus with Withania, and he felt 'normal' the next day for the first time in 10 years, but one month later his fatigue is returning and the tincture does not seem to have much affect on him (just like the thyroxine). Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? Thank you on behalf of my friend. Marilena. To: ukherbal-list From: craigdwright@... Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:53:37 +0200 Subject: RE: Re: Sinusitis Thanks Henriette, looks like an interesting article. Craig > Hi Henriette > > Please could you clarify how you formed this opinion on the fungal nature of > chronic sinusitis? http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/74/9/877.full.pdf+html Best, Henriette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Hi its quite possible that he is not converting the T4 into the active T3 - many reasons for that including too much reverse T3. selenium , magnesium and zinc help the conversion - as does exercise as much of it happens in the liver and muscles. unfortunately havent got huge amount of time to respond properly at momet but you and he could check out websites such as Thyroiduk for other suggestions. ( although it might be better if you do it as the forum posts are mainly by people who are not being helped by their medication / doctors and it mght depress him at this stage ) you could get him to ask his doctor to test for freeT3 but they are usually unwilling - or at least the labs often decide not to do it if his T4 is " normal " regards ,annette---- Original Message ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Hi Annette, that is really useful , if you have time, can you give any more answers? It was indeed the case that his doctor(s) do not want to test for T3, but I adviced him to keep asking, again, and take selenium, as you suggest, with magnesium and zinc. Marilena. To: ukherbal-list From: annette@... Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 19:36:29 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: thyroid Hi its quite possible that he is not converting the T4 into the active T3 - many reasons for that including too much reverse T3. selenium , magnesium and zinc help the conversion - as does exercise as much of it happens in the liver and muscles. unfortunately havent got huge amount of time to respond properly at momet but you and he could check out websites such as Thyroiduk for other suggestions. ( although it might be better if you do it as the forum posts are mainly by people who are not being helped by their medication / doctors and it mght depress him at this stage ) you could get him to ask his doctor to test for freeT3 but they are usually unwilling - or at least the labs often decide not to do it if his T4 is " normal " regards ,annette---- Original Message ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 > its quite possible that he is not converting the T4 into the active T3 - > selenium , magnesium and zinc help the conversion - as does exercise as > much > of it happens in the liver and muscles. I second the above suggestions, with the addition of EFA's, lots of sun exposure or supplementary vitamin D (other supplements such as chromium, and B vitamins may also be very helpful -but there's a danger of overload!) In addition, I recommend that you prioritise sorting out your clients blood sugar regulation. Insulin resistance (manifesting as poor blood sugar regulation) is a very common problem, and high circulating insulin will inhibit the T4-T3 hormone conversion. There is a lot of information on this site: www.drrind.com. Poor T4-T3 conversion is often associated with adrenal exhaustion. Check out these sites too: .. http://www.adrenalfatigue.org .. www.womentowomen.com/adrenalfatigue/default.aspx .. Article: " Nutrients and botanicals for treatment of stress: adrenal fatigue, neurotransmitter imbalance, anxiety, and restless sleep " . Alternative Medicine Review, June, 2009 by Kathleen A. Head, S. . Best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Hi Sara, that makes sense to me. I think I will add licorice and dandelionroot, borage and oats. Marilena. To: ukherbal-list From: sarah@... Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 06:55:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: thyroid > its quite possible that he is not converting the T4 into the active T3 - > selenium , magnesium and zinc help the conversion - as does exercise as > much > of it happens in the liver and muscles. I second the above suggestions, with the addition of EFA's, lots of sun exposure or supplementary vitamin D (other supplements such as chromium, and B vitamins may also be very helpful -but there's a danger of overload!) In addition, I recommend that you prioritise sorting out your clients blood sugar regulation. Insulin resistance (manifesting as poor blood sugar regulation) is a very common problem, and high circulating insulin will inhibit the T4-T3 hormone conversion. There is a lot of information on this site: www.drrind.com. Poor T4-T3 conversion is often associated with adrenal exhaustion. Check out these sites too: .. http://www.adrenalfatigue.org .. www.womentowomen.com/adrenalfatigue/default.aspx .. Article: " Nutrients and botanicals for treatment of stress: adrenal fatigue, neurotransmitter imbalance, anxiety, and restless sleep " . Alternative Medicine Review, June, 2009 by Kathleen A. Head, S. . Best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Yes, I agree with the comment about adrenal exhaustion. I find that this often underlies thyroid dysfunction. So, a herb such as astragalus which mainly works on lungs and digestion may only have a short term effect as kidney tonics will be needed in the longterm. This is also why T4 supplementation is not a complete (or even partial!) answer for a good number of people diagnosed with hypothyroidism. Herbs and meditation are the main methods we use in Chinese medicine to supplement adrenal (Kidney) function. Regards Gascoigne > > > its quite possible that he is not converting the T4 into the active T3 - > > selenium , magnesium and zinc help the conversion - as does exercise as > > much > > of it happens in the liver and muscles. > > I second the above suggestions, with the addition of EFA's, lots of sun > exposure or supplementary vitamin D (other supplements such as > chromium, and > B vitamins may also be very helpful -but there's a danger of overload!) > > In addition, I recommend that you prioritise sorting out your clients > blood > sugar regulation. Insulin resistance (manifesting as poor blood sugar > regulation) is a very common problem, and high circulating insulin will > inhibit the T4-T3 hormone conversion. There is a lot of information on > this > site: www.drrind.com. > > Poor T4-T3 conversion is often associated with adrenal exhaustion. Check > out these sites too: > . http://www.adrenalfatigue.org > . www.womentowomen.com/adrenalfatigue/default.aspx > > . Article: " Nutrients and botanicals for treatment of stress: adrenal > fatigue, neurotransmitter imbalance, anxiety, and restless sleep " . > Alternative Medicine Review, June, 2009 by Kathleen A. Head, S. > . > > Best wishes > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Jean-Claude Lapraz introduced many of us who studied the endobiogenic approach (how all cells are ultimately under the influence of the hormonal cascades) to the use of Ribes nigra (blackcurrent), fresh buds, ethanolic glycerite (50:50) for adrenal exhaustion. It is quite widely used in Europe for this (one anthroposophic Italian doctor makes and sells it quite widely) and our Rutland grown and made product has been a popular product with a small band of followers for several years. Kind regards, > > > Yes, I agree with the comment about adrenal exhaustion. I find that this > often underlies thyroid dysfunction. So, a herb such as astragalus which > mainly works on lungs and digestion may only have a short term effect as > kidney tonics will be needed in the longterm. This is also why T4 > supplementation is not a complete (or even partial!) answer for a good > number of people diagnosed with hypothyroidism. > > Herbs and meditation are the main methods we use in Chinese medicine to > supplement adrenal (Kidney) function. > > Regards > > Gascoigne > > > > > > > its quite possible that he is not converting the T4 into the active T3 > - > > > selenium , magnesium and zinc help the conversion - as does exercise as > > > much > > > of it happens in the liver and muscles. > > > > I second the above suggestions, with the addition of EFA's, lots of sun > > exposure or supplementary vitamin D (other supplements such as > > chromium, and > > B vitamins may also be very helpful -but there's a danger of overload!) > > > > In addition, I recommend that you prioritise sorting out your clients > > blood > > sugar regulation. Insulin resistance (manifesting as poor blood sugar > > regulation) is a very common problem, and high circulating insulin will > > inhibit the T4-T3 hormone conversion. There is a lot of information on > > this > > site: www.drrind.com. > > > > Poor T4-T3 conversion is often associated with adrenal exhaustion. Check > > out these sites too: > > . http://www.adrenalfatigue.org > > . www.womentowomen.com/adrenalfatigue/default.aspx > > > > . Article: " Nutrients and botanicals for treatment of stress: adrenal > > fatigue, neurotransmitter imbalance, anxiety, and restless sleep " . > > Alternative Medicine Review, June, 2009 by Kathleen A. Head, S. > > . > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 , I can attest to the activity of your preparation! I usually use Ribes in conjunction with other more nourishing adrenal tonics however Best wishes Craig From: ukherbal-list [mailto:ukherbal-list ] On Behalf Of Chenery Sent: 10 May 2011 14:54 To: ukherbal-list Subject: Re: Re: thyroid Jean-Claude Lapraz introduced many of us who studied the endobiogenic approach (how all cells are ultimately under the influence of the hormonal cascades) to the use of Ribes nigra (blackcurrent), fresh buds, ethanolic glycerite (50:50) for adrenal exhaustion. It is quite widely used in Europe for this (one anthroposophic Italian doctor makes and sells it quite widely) and our Rutland grown and made product has been a popular product with a small band of followers for several years. Kind regards, > > > Yes, I agree with the comment about adrenal exhaustion. I find that this > often underlies thyroid dysfunction. So, a herb such as astragalus which > mainly works on lungs and digestion may only have a short term effect as > kidney tonics will be needed in the longterm. This is also why T4 > supplementation is not a complete (or even partial!) answer for a good > number of people diagnosed with hypothyroidism. > > Herbs and meditation are the main methods we use in Chinese medicine to > supplement adrenal (Kidney) function. > > Regards > > Gascoigne > > > > > > > its quite possible that he is not converting the T4 into the active T3 > - > > > selenium , magnesium and zinc help the conversion - as does exercise as > > > much > > > of it happens in the liver and muscles. > > > > I second the above suggestions, with the addition of EFA's, lots of sun > > exposure or supplementary vitamin D (other supplements such as > > chromium, and > > B vitamins may also be very helpful -but there's a danger of overload!) > > > > In addition, I recommend that you prioritise sorting out your clients > > blood > > sugar regulation. Insulin resistance (manifesting as poor blood sugar > > regulation) is a very common problem, and high circulating insulin will > > inhibit the T4-T3 hormone conversion. There is a lot of information on > > this > > site: www.drrind.com. > > > > Poor T4-T3 conversion is often associated with adrenal exhaustion. Check > > out these sites too: > > . http://www.adrenalfatigue.org > > . www.womentowomen.com/adrenalfatigue/default.aspx > > > > . Article: " Nutrients and botanicals for treatment of stress: adrenal > > fatigue, neurotransmitter imbalance, anxiety, and restless sleep " . > > Alternative Medicine Review, June, 2009 by Kathleen A. Head, S. > > . > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Hi Marilena, I can recommend something I've been using with my clients but please contact me off list please: info@... Lorraine. > > > Hello herbalists, is there anyone with lots of experience with thyroid > problems? > One of my friends is taking thyroxine for underactive thyroid, but no > matter how much he takes, he still feels tired. > His TSH is very high, but his T4 is normal. I gave him Astragalus with > Withania, and he felt 'normal' the next day for the first time in 10 years, > but one month later his fatigue is returning and the tincture does not seem > to have much affect on him (just like the thyroxine). > Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? > Thank you on behalf of my friend. > Marilena. > > > To: ukherbal-list > From: craigdwright@... > Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:53:37 +0200 > Subject: RE: Re: Sinusitis > > > > > > > Thanks Henriette, looks like an interesting article. > > Craig > > > > Hi Henriette > > > > Please could you clarify how you formed this opinion on the fungal nature > of > > chronic sinusitis? > > http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/74/9/877.full.pdf+html > > Best, > Henriette > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 HI and Any idea where a patient can get this test done privately? I have a patient whose doctor won't do it because it's too expensive. It's the first time any do has not done a test for me, but I suppose that is eflection of cutbacks. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Hi there are a number of private labs - its a while since I used any of them and I know one of them you have to register as a practitioner in order to refer your patient but cant remember which one! try genova diagnostics , NPTech , Lab 21 and Biolab who all do full thyroid panel as well as adrenal stress regards ,annette Re: thyroid HI and Any idea where a patient can get this test done privately? I have a patient whose doctor won't do it because it's too expensive. It's the first time any do has not done a test for me, but I suppose that is eflection of cutbacks. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Hello, I agree with the adrenal connection. I have treated a number of hypothyroid patients taking thyroxine, where the thyroxine dosage keeps increasing but patients still feel hypothyroid symptoms AND start feeling excessive stimulation/ Hyperthyroid symptoms (palpitations, anxiety, sweating, headaches etc) from the excessive, unused thyroxine floating around. In these cases, using adrenal tonics/restorative without necessarily working on the thyroid seems to consistently improve the response to thyroxine and reduces both hypo & hyper symptoms. Often the Thyroxine dosage can then be reduced and herbs can then be used to try and improve thyroid function. A testimony to the importance of adrenal function in the uptake of thyroid hormones, but I also agree with the other factors that come into play, which have been discussed in this topic. Regards, Milena > > Hi > there are a number of private labs - its a while since I used any of them and I know one of them you have to register as a practitioner in order to refer your patient but cant remember which one! > try genova diagnostics , NPTech , Lab 21 and Biolab who all do full thyroid panel as well as adrenal stress > regards ,annette > > > Re: thyroid > > > > > HI and > > Any idea where a patient can get this test done privately? > I have a patient whose doctor won't do it because it's too expensive. > It's the first time any do has not done a test for me, but I suppose that is eflection of cutbacks. > > Thanks > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Dear Lorraine, why not share this information with the other herbalists on this list? Kind regards, Marilena. To: ukherbal-list From: herbsandhelpers@... Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:59:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: thyroid Hi Marilena, I can recommend something I've been using with my clients but please contact me off list please: info@... Lorraine. > > > Hello herbalists, is there anyone with lots of experience with thyroid > problems? > One of my friends is taking thyroxine for underactive thyroid, but no > matter how much he takes, he still feels tired. > His TSH is very high, but his T4 is normal. I gave him Astragalus with > Withania, and he felt 'normal' the next day for the first time in 10 years, > but one month later his fatigue is returning and the tincture does not seem > to have much affect on him (just like the thyroxine). > Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? > Thank you on behalf of my friend. > Marilena. > > > To: ukherbal-list > From: craigdwright@... > Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:53:37 +0200 > Subject: RE: Re: Sinusitis > > > > > > > Thanks Henriette, looks like an interesting article. > > Craig > > > > Hi Henriette > > > > Please could you clarify how you formed this opinion on the fungal nature > of > > chronic sinusitis? > > http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/74/9/877.full.pdf+html > > Best, > Henriette > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Hi that is really useful thank you. My friend is an experienced meditator, so I think I need to come up with some good adrenal restoratives. Does anyone have experiential preferences in this area? thank you, Marilena. To: ukherbal-list From: craigdwright@... Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 15:32:47 +0200 Subject: RE: Re: thyroid , I can attest to the activity of your preparation! I usually use Ribes in conjunction with other more nourishing adrenal tonics however Best wishes Craig From: ukherbal-list [mailto:ukherbal-list ] On Behalf Of Chenery Sent: 10 May 2011 14:54 To: ukherbal-list Subject: Re: Re: thyroid Jean-Claude Lapraz introduced many of us who studied the endobiogenic approach (how all cells are ultimately under the influence of the hormonal cascades) to the use of Ribes nigra (blackcurrent), fresh buds, ethanolic glycerite (50:50) for adrenal exhaustion. It is quite widely used in Europe for this (one anthroposophic Italian doctor makes and sells it quite widely) and our Rutland grown and made product has been a popular product with a small band of followers for several years. Kind regards, > > > Yes, I agree with the comment about adrenal exhaustion. I find that this > often underlies thyroid dysfunction. So, a herb such as astragalus which > mainly works on lungs and digestion may only have a short term effect as > kidney tonics will be needed in the longterm. This is also why T4 > supplementation is not a complete (or even partial!) answer for a good > number of people diagnosed with hypothyroidism. > > Herbs and meditation are the main methods we use in Chinese medicine to > supplement adrenal (Kidney) function. > > Regards > > Gascoigne > > > > > > > its quite possible that he is not converting the T4 into the active T3 > - > > > selenium , magnesium and zinc help the conversion - as does exercise as > > > much > > > of it happens in the liver and muscles. > > > > I second the above suggestions, with the addition of EFA's, lots of sun > > exposure or supplementary vitamin D (other supplements such as > > chromium, and > > B vitamins may also be very helpful -but there's a danger of overload!) > > > > In addition, I recommend that you prioritise sorting out your clients > > blood > > sugar regulation. Insulin resistance (manifesting as poor blood sugar > > regulation) is a very common problem, and high circulating insulin will > > inhibit the T4-T3 hormone conversion. There is a lot of information on > > this > > site: www.drrind.com. > > > > Poor T4-T3 conversion is often associated with adrenal exhaustion. Check > > out these sites too: > > . http://www.adrenalfatigue.org > > . www.womentowomen.com/adrenalfatigue/default.aspx > > > > . Article: " Nutrients and botanicals for treatment of stress: adrenal > > fatigue, neurotransmitter imbalance, anxiety, and restless sleep " . > > Alternative Medicine Review, June, 2009 by Kathleen A. Head, S. > > . > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Hi, I don't really have anything to add to the suggestions about labs for testing adrenal function - Biolab are excellent I find. However, just to add that a salivary cortisol is simple and straightforward rather than serum levels, 24 hour urinary collections or even worse for someone in an exhausted adrenal state - an ACTH stimulation test. Salivary cortisol is much more commonly done in the US, the UK is somewhat behind the game with that. In another email, mention of Barry Peatfield was made who is well known for treating endocrine problems slightly differently from his conventional colleagues. He does have a fuller understanding of the intricacies of endocrine dysfunction. He does advocate Armour thyroid which I also find to be more helpful and better tolerated than the synthetic thyroxine. You won't find many medics now willing to give prescriptions for Armour thyroid. He also, sadly I think, gives people prednisolone to 'help' their depleted adrenals. This can only lead to further adrenal depletion as the pituitary-adrenal axis is further suppressed. Regards Gascoigne > > Hi > there are a number of private labs - its a while since I used any of > them and I know one of them you have to register as a practitioner in > order to refer your patient but cant remember which one! > try genova diagnostics , NPTech , Lab 21 and Biolab who all do full > thyroid panel as well as adrenal stress > regards ,annette > > Re: thyroid > > HI and > > Any idea where a patient can get this test done privately? > I have a patient whose doctor won't do it because it's too expensive. > It's the first time any do has not done a test for me, but I suppose > that is eflection of cutbacks. > > Thanks > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Hello Marilena, As it involves product I sell then I thought it best kept off list. There are some that have very strong objections if you start to talk about something you are selling as well. So I didn't want to offend! I have a tendency to make available stuff I find good as a practitioner as I am a supplier as well and some things can be difficult to get at the right quality. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > > Dear Lorraine, why not share this information with the other herbalists on this list? > Kind regards, Marilena. > > > > To: ukherbal-list > From: herbsandhelpers@... > Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:59:03 +0100 > Subject: Re: Re: thyroid > > > > > > > Hi Marilena, > I can recommend something I've been using with my clients > but please contact me off list please: > > info@... > > Lorraine. > > > >> >> >> Hello herbalists, is there anyone with lots of experience with thyroid >> problems? >> One of my friends is taking thyroxine for underactive thyroid, but no >> matter how much he takes, he still feels tired. >> His TSH is very high, but his T4 is normal. I gave him Astragalus with >> Withania, and he felt 'normal' the next day for the first time in 10 years, >> but one month later his fatigue is returning and the tincture does not seem >> to have much affect on him (just like the thyroxine). >> Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? >> Thank you on behalf of my friend. >> Marilena. >> >> >> To: ukherbal-list >> From: craigdwright@... >> Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:53:37 +0200 >> Subject: RE: Re: Sinusitis >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks Henriette, looks like an interesting article. >> >> Craig >> >> >>> Hi Henriette >>> >>> Please could you clarify how you formed this opinion on the fungal nature >> of >>> chronic sinusitis? >> >> http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/74/9/877.full.pdf+html >> >> Best, >> Henriette >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Lorraine, Is this is the same product you recommended to me via this list? It is still openly listed on your web page yet does not appear to have had a public assessment report lodged with MHRA (see http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Publications/PublicAssessmentReports/PublicAssessmentRepo\ rtsforherbalmedicines/index.htm for full list). I am therefore wondering about the legality of selling it - either to fellow practitioners or the public direct since 1st May. And also whether the ASA have had a look at your website since the very name of this product appears to be making a health claim. In view of your, to my mind quite unwarranted, attacks on the NIMH leaflet, I think you should keep your own house in order too! a > >>> Hi Henriette > >>> > >>> Please could you clarify how you formed this opinion on the fungal nature > >> of > >>> chronic sinusitis? > >> > >> http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/74/9/877.full.pdf+html > >> > >> Best, > >> Henriette > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Withania is wonderful for supporting both adrenals and thyroid Sally marilena hettema wrote: > Hi that is really useful thank you. My friend is an experienced meditator, so I think I need to come up with some good adrenal restoratives. Does anyone have experiential preferences in this area? > thank you, > Marilena. > > > > To: ukherbal-list > From: craigdwright@... > Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 15:32:47 +0200 > Subject: RE: Re: thyroid > > > > > > > , I can attest to the activity of your preparation! I usually use Ribes > in conjunction with other more nourishing adrenal tonics however > > Best wishes > > Craig > > From: ukherbal-list [mailto:ukherbal-list ] > On Behalf Of Chenery > Sent: 10 May 2011 14:54 > To: ukherbal-list > Subject: Re: Re: thyroid > > Jean-Claude Lapraz introduced many of us who studied the endobiogenic > approach (how all cells are ultimately under the influence of the hormonal > cascades) to the use of Ribes nigra (blackcurrent), fresh buds, ethanolic > glycerite (50:50) for adrenal exhaustion. > It is quite widely used in Europe for this (one anthroposophic Italian > doctor makes and sells it quite widely) and our Rutland grown and made > product has been a popular product with a small band of followers for > several years. > > Kind regards, > > > > >> Yes, I agree with the comment about adrenal exhaustion. I find that this >> often underlies thyroid dysfunction. So, a herb such as astragalus which >> mainly works on lungs and digestion may only have a short term effect as >> kidney tonics will be needed in the longterm. This is also why T4 >> supplementation is not a complete (or even partial!) answer for a good >> number of people diagnosed with hypothyroidism. >> >> Herbs and meditation are the main methods we use in Chinese medicine to >> supplement adrenal (Kidney) function. >> >> Regards >> >> Gascoigne >> >> >> >>>> its quite possible that he is not converting the T4 into the active T3 >>>> >> - >> >>>> selenium , magnesium and zinc help the conversion - as does exercise >>>> > as > >>>> much >>>> of it happens in the liver and muscles. >>>> >>> I second the above suggestions, with the addition of EFA's, lots of sun >>> exposure or supplementary vitamin D (other supplements such as >>> chromium, and >>> B vitamins may also be very helpful -but there's a danger of overload!) >>> >>> In addition, I recommend that you prioritise sorting out your clients >>> blood >>> sugar regulation. Insulin resistance (manifesting as poor blood sugar >>> regulation) is a very common problem, and high circulating insulin will >>> inhibit the T4-T3 hormone conversion. There is a lot of information on >>> this >>> site: www.drrind.com. >>> >>> Poor T4-T3 conversion is often associated with adrenal exhaustion. Check >>> out these sites too: >>> . http://www.adrenalfatigue.org >>> . www.womentowomen.com/adrenalfatigue/default.aspx >>> >>> . Article: " Nutrients and botanicals for treatment of stress: adrenal >>> fatigue, neurotransmitter imbalance, anxiety, and restless sleep " . >>> Alternative Medicine Review, June, 2009 by Kathleen A. Head, S. >>> . >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Hello a, Please may I assure you that stocks of the product in question were purchased before 30th April 2011 and such products may be sold through. Please let the MHRA know if you feel I'm breaking the law. I don't make claims for my products and have checked the relevant MHRA documents on what may be said. Again if you feel I'm wrong then please report to the appropriate bodies as you see fit. It is precisely because I check my own stuff that I find the current NIMH leaflet unacceptable to use. As far as I know I've altered things as I need to, however I am happy to be advised by the appropriate bodies if necessary. Please also note that I am a member of the RCHM and they have decided to support certain actions of members in certain areas so maybe that's why it looks odd. Thank you for asking! Lorraine. > > > Lorraine, > Is this is the same product you recommended to me via this list? It is > still openly listed on your web page yet does not appear to have had a > public assessment report lodged with MHRA (see > http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Publications/PublicAssessmentReports/PublicAssessmentRepo\ rtsforherbalmedicines/index.htmfor full list). I am therefore wondering about the legality of selling it - > either to fellow practitioners or the public direct since 1st May. And also > whether the ASA have had a look at your website since the very name of this > product appears to be making a health claim. > > In view of your, to my mind quite unwarranted, attacks on the NIMH leaflet, > I think you should keep your own house in order too! > > a > > > > >>> Hi Henriette > > >>> > > >>> Please could you clarify how you formed this opinion on the fungal > nature > > >> of > > >>> chronic sinusitis? > > >> > > >> http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/74/9/877.full.pdf+html > > >> > > >> Best, > > >> Henriette > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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