Re: dipsacus sylvestris tincture

[Guest guest]

hi Anne,

thanks for your response.

anne chiotis wrote:

> Hi Eirwen,

> I don't think anyone produces teasel tincture. You might be able to pursuade

at Granary Herbs to take on the task.

yes, i did wonder about asking at Granary =nods=

> I grew some from seed last year and they are doing wel. l so you could

consider that if you have a garden and then make your own tincture.

been thinking to grow some, yes =nods= good for wildlife as well as

tincture making there's a patch toward the back of the garden that

i've a mind to sorting out to do so - underneath where i usually feed

the birds. aware i'll need to wait til next spring at least before i can

make any tincture tho... but i think planting seed now-ish would

probably work out for next years' growth - i think i've read that

tincture is made from first year rosette & roots (not the second year,

long tall stemmy plants).

> Alternatively they grow on waste ground, next to canals etc. Certainly there

would be no problem with misidentification....

i think a spot of very careful wildcrafting in the meantime sounds like

it might be the answer wrt making tincture before next year. thanks for

the reminder re waste ground, etc. i live fairly close to a canal...

thanks again

eirwen

[Guest guest]

Hi Eirwen,

Panacea used to do a tincture of Teasel, TCM uses Teasel, the Pinyin name is Xu

duan. The Teasel they use is Dipsacus asperoides. Don't have their phone number

right now, but I pretty sure it's online if you search for Panacea. Hope that

helps.

Sonja

[Guest guest]

Hi Eirwen, we will be selling it next year at Broad oak herbs, at

granary is making life simpler by streamlining her range as she encourages us to

take up the slack at www.broadoakherbs.co.uk.

She mentioned this at her open day.

We hoped to have had it ready for this year but it just did not happen. Also we

are establishing white sage another Mathhew Wood favourite !

We update our live list every monday so check it out on the website.

best wishes

Jacqui

>

> hi,

>

> do any of you have any recommendations re sources of teasel (dipsacus

> sylvestris) tincture in the UK (or europe)?

> my usual sources don't seem to produce/stock it.

>

> thanks,

> eirwen

> enfield, N london.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

In TCM this is Xu Duan. Have 5:1 concentrated extract powder with full

European QC but no tincture. Please contact off list after Monday 8th,, on

holiday at present.

Lorraine

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> hi,

>

> do any of you have any recommendations re sources of teasel (dipsacus

> sylvestris) tincture in the UK (or europe)?

> my usual sources don't seem to produce/stock it.

>

> thanks,

> eirwen

> enfield, N london.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please also be aware that different formats will be used differently and not

necessarily interchangeable. Also most herbs in TCM are often used in the

context of a main formula to enhance or modify the overall effect for a

particular case. So perhaps thus is misleading.

Lorraine

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> hi Anne,

>

> thanks for your response.

>

> anne chiotis wrote:

> > Hi Eirwen,

> > I don't think anyone produces teasel tincture. You might be able to pursuade

at Granary Herbs to take on the task.

>

> yes, i did wonder about asking at Granary =nods=

>

> > I grew some from seed last year and they are doing wel. l so you could

consider that if you have a garden and then make your own tincture.

>

> been thinking to grow some, yes =nods= good for wildlife as well as

> tincture making there's a patch toward the back of the garden that

> i've a mind to sorting out to do so - underneath where i usually feed

> the birds. aware i'll need to wait til next spring at least before i can

> make any tincture tho... but i think planting seed now-ish would

> probably work out for next years' growth - i think i've read that

> tincture is made from first year rosette & roots (not the second year,

> long tall stemmy plants).

>

> > Alternatively they grow on waste ground, next to canals etc. Certainly there

would be no problem with misidentification....

>

> i think a spot of very careful wildcrafting in the meantime sounds like

> it might be the answer wrt making tincture before next year. thanks for

> the reminder re waste ground, etc. i live fairly close to a canal...

>

> thanks again

>

> eirwen

>

[Guest guest]

Sonja Donnellan wrote:

> Hi Eirwen,

>

> Panacea used to do a tincture of Teasel, TCM uses Teasel, the Pinyin name is

Xu duan. The Teasel they use is Dipsacus asperoides. Don't have their phone

number right now, but I pretty sure it's online if you search for Panacea. Hope

that helps.

thanks Sonja

aware of the teasel in TCM use. i'm looking for european teasel tho.

eirwen

[Guest guest]

hi Jacqui,

Jacqui wrote:

> Hi Eirwen, we will be selling it next year at Broad oak herbs, at

granary is making life simpler by streamlining her range as she encourages us to

take up the slack at www.broadoakherbs.co.uk.

> She mentioned this at her open day.

good to know - i missed the open day.

> We hoped to have had it ready for this year but it just did not happen.

shame!

Also we are establishing white sage another Mathhew Wood favourite !

interesting to know.

> We update our live list every monday so check it out on the website.

thanks

eirwen

[Guest guest]

Herbs and Helpers wrote:

> Hi,

> In TCM this is Xu Duan. Have 5:1 concentrated extract powder with full

European QC but no tincture. Please contact off list after Monday 8th,, on

holiday at present.

thanks Lorraine, but i'm looking for the european teasel, not the one

used in TCM.

eirwen

[Guest guest]

No problem! I thought they were interchangeable ...

Lorraine

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> Herbs and Helpers wrote:

> > Hi,

> > In TCM this is Xu Duan. Have 5:1 concentrated extract powder with full

European QC but no tincture. Please contact off list after Monday 8th,, on

holiday at present.

>

> thanks Lorraine, but i'm looking for the european teasel, not the one

> used in TCM.

>

> eirwen

>

[Guest guest]

Herbs and Helpers wrote:

> No problem! I thought they were interchangeable ...

i think they can be used interchangeably...

i prefer to use herbs growing in places i - or my

a-few-centuries-back-ancestors - have lived.

eirwen

[Guest guest]

Sorry I made two potentially confusing posts! I'm not not sure if both species

can be used interchangeably, my therapeutic experience relates only to the TCM

version and application. Using a different format e.g. Tincture v granules can

radically alter the properties, I've only used granules/powder. As far as I

understand addition of alcohol makes herbs more moving. Possibly an advantage

with this herb as it leans to Yang in nature.

Let us know how you go on!

Lorraine

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> Herbs and Helpers wrote:

> > No problem! I thought they were interchangeable ...

>

> i think they can be used interchangeably...

>

> i prefer to use herbs growing in places i - or my

> a-few-centuries-back-ancestors - have lived.

>

> eirwen

>

[Guest guest]

Herbs and Helpers wrote:

> Sorry I made two potentially confusing posts! I'm not not sure if both species

can be used interchangeably, my therapeutic experience relates only to the TCM

version and application. Using a different format e.g. Tincture v granules can

radically alter the properties, I've only used granules/powder. As far as I

understand addition of alcohol makes herbs more moving. Possibly an advantage

with this herb as it leans to Yang in nature.

aha! yes, interesting to think about...

> Let us know how you go on!

will try and remember to!

so far i've chanced upon some young (tho second year) teasel plants at a

roundabout, and have started making a small amount of fresh tincture

from the roots of three (they were small!). will see what that's like in

6 weeks' time ...and then see how i get on with it...

eirwen

> Lorraine

>

> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

> HERBS AND HELPERS

> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> www.herbalmedicineuk.com

>

>

>

>

>> Herbs and Helpers wrote:

>>> No problem! I thought they were interchangeable ...

>> i think they can be used interchangeably...

>>

>> i prefer to use herbs growing in places i - or my

>> a-few-centuries-back-ancestors - have lived.

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>> eirwen

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