Re: Re: The value of insurrectionary anarchism

[Guest guest]

Hi You may find Smail's writings to be of interest. He focuses on the dysfunctions and power imbalances in modern society and how they affect people's mental health and well-being. From his website: "The so-called psychiatric 'disorders' are nothing to do with faulty biology, nor indeed are they the outcome of individual moral weakness or other personal failing. They are the creation of the social world in which we live, and that world is structured by power."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Smail_(psychologist)http://www.davidsmail.info/introfra.htmCheersKateOn 26/11/2010, at 11:18 PM, dconditiond wrote:Please try to understand that I am in a truly desperate space. I am suffering with chronic anxiety and suicidal.My personal values may seem extreme to some, and they are all that I have to cling onto.I am attempting to help myself by helping others and I believe the current 'social' environment to be the cause of some of my pain.The other day I was waiting to pick up a prescription in a busy chemists, when two older ladies came in to ask for help as one had fallen over. She was obviously disorientated and bleeding profusely from a head wound. There were six members of staff on duty, none of whom even offered her a seat. They did call a taxi, however, but she didn't have the money to pay for it. So it was cancelled.A this point, I stood up, took her to a seat and asked them to re-order it, stating that I would pay. The first thing she did was ask if I was working and said she couldn't take my money, however I reassured her and said I just hoped somebody shows me compassion when the time comes, that I will inevitably need it. The shop was busy and staff, presumably concerned about losing their jobs, continued to serve, and take money from the other customers. I'm sure my values are very different to those of Adolf Hitler, and stan by everything I have said. I am, myself, in dire need of support, and know how it feels to have no-one to turn to.There is already more than enough pain and suffering in this world, and the last thing I want to do is add to it. Love and peace to you all.>> Are you thinking of the values of someone like Adolf Hitler? After all, he > really believed that he was setting the German people free. You could say that > he did have values. - just not the ones most of us would choose! The British > people had values too - that of being free. So who is to say who is right? I > think it's back to playground politics. Who started the fight and why. If a > person or country is trying to live in peace and then the playground bully comes > up and says - 'Do things my way or else' - don't we have a duty to stand up to > that bully? As values, Freedom, democracy, compassion sound good to me. And if > you have to fight to protect those values - so be it. So in a way I agree with > you - up to a point! We are having riots in the UK because the Government > is putting up tuition fees for university - BUT we have the freedom to riot if > we want too. And many thousands died for that freedom.> What am I saying? Values can't be imposed.> > Simone> > > > > ________________________________> > To: ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Thu, 25 November, 2010 18:47:18> Subject: The value of insurrectionary anarchism> >  > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all > suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't > even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock > the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. > This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. > > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for links Kate.  For a while there I felt totally alone and misunderstood. Guess I wasn't explaining myself very well. This sounds much more like it. Will get back to you once I've checked them out.

 

Hi You may find Smail's writings to be of interest.  He focuses on the dysfunctions and power imbalances in modern society and how they affect people's mental health and well-being.  From his website: " The so-called psychiatric 'disorders' are nothing to do with faulty biology, nor indeed are they the outcome of individual moral weakness or other personal failing. They are the creation of the social world in which we live, and that world is structured by power. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Smail_(psychologist)http://www.davidsmail.info/introfra.htm

CheersKate

Please try to understand that I am in a truly desperate space. I am suffering with chronic anxiety and suicidal.My personal values may seem extreme to some, and they are all that I have to cling onto.

I am attempting to help myself by helping others and I believe the current 'social' environment to be the cause of some of my pain.The other day I was waiting to pick up a prescription in a busy chemists, when two older ladies came in to ask for help as one had fallen over. She was obviously disorientated and bleeding profusely from a head wound. There were six members of staff on duty, none of whom even offered her a seat. They did call a taxi, however, but she didn't have the money to pay for it. So it was cancelled.

A this point, I stood up, took her to a seat and asked them to re-order it, stating that I would pay. The first thing she did was ask if I was working and said she couldn't take my money, however I reassured her and said I just hoped somebody shows me compassion when the time comes, that I will inevitably need it. The shop was busy and staff, presumably concerned about losing their jobs, continued to serve, and take money from the other customers. 

I'm sure my values are very different to those of Adolf Hitler, and stan by everything I have said. I am, myself, in dire need of support, and know how it feels to have no-one to turn to.There is already more than enough pain and suffering in this world, and the last thing I want to do is add to it. 

Love and peace to you all.

>> Are you thinking of the values of someone like Adolf Hitler? After all, he > really believed that he was setting the German people free. You could say that > he did have values. - just not the ones most of us would choose!  The British 

> people had values too - that of being free. So who is to say who is right? I > think it's back to playground politics. Who started the fight and why. If a > person or country is trying to live in peace and then the playground bully comes 

> up and says - 'Do things my way or else' - don't we have a duty to stand up to > that bully? As values, Freedom, democracy, compassion sound good to me. And if > you have to fight to protect those values - so be it. So in a way I agree with 

> you - up to a point! We are having riots in the UK because the Government > is putting up tuition fees for university - BUT we have the freedom to riot if > we want too. And many thousands died for that freedom.

> What am I saying? Values can't be imposed.> > Simone> > > > > ________________________________

> > To: ACT_for_the_Public

> Sent: Thu, 25 November, 2010 18:47:18> Subject: The value of insurrectionary anarchism> >   > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of 

> insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!

> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all 

> suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't 

> even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock 

> the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. 

> This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. 

> > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and 

> realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> 

> Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>

-- Regards,  

[Guest guest]

Really good stuff Kate. I was born just down the road from him!Guess my initial stance must have appeared rather extreme, because I believe such a radical problem requires an equally radical solution (paraphrasing Norman Finkelstein).

Believe me, my values couldn't be further removed from those of Adolf Hitler!

Thank you for links Kate.  For a while there I felt totally alone and misunderstood. Guess I wasn't explaining myself very well. This sounds much more like it. Will get back to you once I've checked them out.

 

Hi You may find Smail's writings to be of interest.  He focuses on the dysfunctions and power imbalances in modern society and how they affect people's mental health and well-being.  From his website: " The so-called psychiatric 'disorders' are nothing to do with faulty biology, nor indeed are they the outcome of individual moral weakness or other personal failing. They are the creation of the social world in which we live, and that world is structured by power. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Smail_(psychologist)http://www.davidsmail.info/introfra.htm

CheersKate

Please try to understand that I am in a truly desperate space. I am suffering with chronic anxiety and suicidal.My personal values may seem extreme to some, and they are all that I have to cling onto.

I am attempting to help myself by helping others and I believe the current 'social' environment to be the cause of some of my pain.The other day I was waiting to pick up a prescription in a busy chemists, when two older ladies came in to ask for help as one had fallen over. She was obviously disorientated and bleeding profusely from a head wound. There were six members of staff on duty, none of whom even offered her a seat. They did call a taxi, however, but she didn't have the money to pay for it. So it was cancelled.

A this point, I stood up, took her to a seat and asked them to re-order it, stating that I would pay. The first thing she did was ask if I was working and said she couldn't take my money, however I reassured her and said I just hoped somebody shows me compassion when the time comes, that I will inevitably need it. The shop was busy and staff, presumably concerned about losing their jobs, continued to serve, and take money from the other customers. 

I'm sure my values are very different to those of Adolf Hitler, and stan by everything I have said. I am, myself, in dire need of support, and know how it feels to have no-one to turn to.There is already more than enough pain and suffering in this world, and the last thing I want to do is add to it. 

Love and peace to you all.

>> Are you thinking of the values of someone like Adolf Hitler? After all, he > really believed that he was setting the German people free. You could say that > he did have values. - just not the ones most of us would choose!  The British 

> people had values too - that of being free. So who is to say who is right? I > think it's back to playground politics. Who started the fight and why. If a > person or country is trying to live in peace and then the playground bully comes 

> up and says - 'Do things my way or else' - don't we have a duty to stand up to > that bully? As values, Freedom, democracy, compassion sound good to me. And if > you have to fight to protect those values - so be it. So in a way I agree with 

> you - up to a point! We are having riots in the UK because the Government > is putting up tuition fees for university - BUT we have the freedom to riot if > we want too. And many thousands died for that freedom.

> What am I saying? Values can't be imposed.> > Simone> > > > > ________________________________

> > To: ACT_for_the_Public

> Sent: Thu, 25 November, 2010 18:47:18> Subject: The value of insurrectionary anarchism> >   > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of 

> insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!

> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all 

> suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't 

> even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock 

> the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. 

> This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. 

> > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and 

> realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> 

> Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>

-- Regards,  

-- Regards,   Lovett

[Guest guest]

Glad it is of interest to you, . "Anarchism" can ring alarm bells because to some people it has the automatic connotation of violence and chaos. CheersKateReally good stuff Kate. I was born just down the road from him!Guess my initial stance must have appeared rather extreme, because I believe such a radical problem requires an equally radical solution (paraphrasing Norman Finkelstein). Believe me, my values couldn't be further removed from those of Adolf Hitler! Thank you for links Kate. For a while there I felt totally alone and misunderstood. Guess I wasn't explaining myself very well. This sounds much more like it. Will get back to you once I've checked them out. Hi You may find Smail's writings to be of interest. He focuses on the dysfunctions and power imbalances in modern society and how they affect people's mental health and well-being. From his website: "The so-called psychiatric 'disorders' are nothing to do with faulty biology, nor indeed are they the outcome of individual moral weakness or other personal failing. They are the creation of the social world in which we live, and that world is structured by power."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Smail_(psychologist)http://www.davidsmail.info/introfra.htmCheersKateOn 26/11/2010, at 11:18 PM, dconditiond wrote:Please try to understand that I am in a truly desperate space. I am suffering with chronic anxiety and suicidal.My personal values may seem extreme to some, and they are all that I have to cling onto.I am attempting to help myself by helping others and I believe the current 'social' environment to be the cause of some of my pain.The other day I was waiting to pick up a prescription in a busy chemists, when two older ladies came in to ask for help as one had fallen over. She was obviously disorientated and bleeding profusely from a head wound. There were six members of staff on duty, none of whom even offered her a seat. They did call a taxi, however, but she didn't have the money to pay for it. So it was cancelled.A this point, I stood up, took her to a seat and asked them to re-order it, stating that I would pay. The first thing she did was ask if I was working and said she couldn't take my money, however I reassured her and said I just hoped somebody shows me compassion when the time comes, that I will inevitably need it. The shop was busy and staff, presumably concerned about losing their jobs, continued to serve, and take money from the other customers. I'm sure my values are very different to those of Adolf Hitler, and stan by everything I have said. I am, myself, in dire need of support, and know how it feels to have no-one to turn to.There is already more than enough pain and suffering in this world, and the last thing I want to do is add to it. Love and peace to you all.>> Are you thinking of the values of someone like Adolf Hitler? After all, he > really believed that he was setting the German people free. You could say that > he did have values. - just not the ones most of us would choose! The British > people had values too - that of being free. So who is to say who is right? I > think it's back to playground politics. Who started the fight and why. If a > person or country is trying to live in peace and then the playground bully comes > up and says - 'Do things my way or else' - don't we have a duty to stand up to > that bully? As values, Freedom, democracy, compassion sound good to me. And if > you have to fight to protect those values - so be it. So in a way I agree with > you - up to a point! We are having riots in the UK because the Government > is putting up tuition fees for university - BUT we have the freedom to riot if > we want too. And many thousands died for that freedom.> What am I saying? Values can't be imposed.> > Simone> > > > > ________________________________> > To: ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Thu, 25 November, 2010 18:47:18> Subject: The value of insurrectionary anarchism> >  > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all > suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't > even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock > the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. > This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. > > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>-- Regards, -- Regards, Lovett

[Guest guest]

Hi I felt that the road you may be travelling on could be one of perpetual struggle and anguish. (That's a cheery start to an email, isn't it!!!). You know that there is no utopian life out there, there is no life that is "fair". Even if a classless society existed, and everyone managed to break free of their God-given (or whatever) instinct of self-preservation and lived for everyone, lovely young people would still get taken by cancer, and people would still endure disability, and wives and husbands would still be unfaithful.Fighting unfairness?...... well, it's one huge collossal struggle rope I don't want to go near, let alone pull on. I wonder if Victor l's book might be a good one for you: he was in a concentration camp, and watched how some

people found meaning in life despite the odious oppression and hatred and hopelessness of the situation. It's mentioned in passing in the Happiness Trap. "Man's Search for Meaning". It's very short, and not as an emotional book as you might think. But it made me think in different ways.Can I say that if I was a bystander in the chemists, I would have been dismayed by the lack of compassion shown by most people to the elderly person who fell down. But I would have been warmed by the kindness I saw you give.... and that is what I choose to reflect on now. There are plenty of examples of generosity in the world, and I choose to focus on them, and live by their values. I'm going to do my best to defuse the thoughts of selfishness and inequity that I know fills the world. Life's too short.Good luck xTo: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Sat, 27 November, 2010 7:23:05Subject: Re: Re: The value of insurrectionary anarchism

Glad it is of interest to you, . "Anarchism" can ring alarm bells because to some people it has the automatic connotation of violence and chaos. CheersKateReally good stuff Kate. I was born just down the road from him!Guess my initial stance must have appeared rather extreme,

because I believe such a radical problem requires an equally radical solution (paraphrasing Norman Finkelstein). Believe me, my values couldn't be further removed from those of Adolf Hitler! Thank you for links Kate. For a while there I felt totally alone and misunderstood. Guess I wasn't explaining myself very well. This sounds much more like it. Will get back to you once I've checked

them out. Hi You may find Smail's writings to be of interest. He focuses on the dysfunctions and power imbalances in modern society and how they affect people's mental health and well-being. From his website: "The so-called psychiatric 'disorders' are nothing to do with faulty biology,

nor indeed are they the outcome of individual moral weakness or other personal failing. They are the creation of the social world in which we live, and that world is structured by power."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Smail_(psychologist)http://www.davidsmail.info/introfra.htmCheersKateOn 26/11/2010, at 11:18 PM, dconditiond wrote:Please try to understand that I am in a truly

desperate space. I am suffering with chronic anxiety and suicidal.My personal values may seem extreme to some, and they are all that I have to cling onto.I am attempting to help myself by helping others and I believe the current 'social' environment to be the cause of some of my pain.The other day I was waiting to pick up a prescription in a busy chemists, when two older ladies came in to ask for help as one had fallen over. She was obviously disorientated and bleeding profusely from a head wound. There were six members of staff on duty, none of whom even offered her a seat. They did call a taxi, however, but she didn't have the money to pay for it. So it was cancelled.A this point, I stood up, took her to a seat and asked them to re-order it, stating that I would pay. The first thing she did was ask if I was working and said she couldn't take my money, however I reassured her and said I just hoped somebody shows me

compassion when the time comes, that I will inevitably need it. The shop was busy and staff, presumably concerned about losing their jobs, continued to serve, and take money from the other customers. I'm sure my values are very different to those of Adolf Hitler, and stan by everything I have said. I am, myself, in dire need of support, and know how it feels to have no-one to turn to.There is already more than enough pain and suffering in this world, and the last thing I want to do is add to it. Love and peace to you all.>> Are you thinking of the values of someone like Adolf

Hitler? After all, he > really believed that he was setting the German people free. You could say that > he did have values. - just not the ones most of us would choose! The British > people had values too - that of being free. So who is to say who is right? I > think it's back to playground politics. Who started the fight and why. If a > person or country is trying to live in peace and then the playground bully comes > up and says - 'Do things my way or else' - don't we have a duty to stand up to > that bully? As values, Freedom, democracy, compassion sound good to me. And if > you have to fight to protect those values - so be it. So in a way I agree with > you - up to a point! We are having riots in the UK because

the Government > is putting up tuition fees for university - BUT we have the freedom to riot if > we want too. And many thousands died for that freedom.> What am I saying? Values can't be imposed.> > Simone> > > > > ________________________________> > To: ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Thu, 25 November, 2010 18:47:18> Subject: The value of insurrectionary anarchism> > Â > I've

practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all > suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't > even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving

to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock > the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. > This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. > > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and >

historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>-- Regards, -- Regards, Lovett

[Guest guest]

Hi . Life is certainly painful and I actually appreciate the honest start to your email. I accept that pain is inevitable, and like yourself, gave up on utopian idealising some time ago. ATM I am finding it particularly hard to defuse, and feel I have no choice but to act if I am to reduce my suffering. I often wish I could believe in a god, and used opiates for many years, but deceiving myself simply shifts the focus of my suffering. However, I do have some understanding of the 'divine' justice of the people.

I am familiar with l, and as an ex-drug addict of 30ys I have suffered a fair bit myself. Although some might say my own suffering was self-inflicted I believe socio-economic factors played a big part. In fact, I am alive now because I took drugs. They allowed me to live, in a purely physical sense, when I believed I had no right to! I was a zombie; literally one of the undead!

People keep telling me I should feel grateful for being clean, but I actually experienced less conflict then. Like most people I enjoyed taking drugs. Thy were literally, my life. My suffering at that time was again, mainly to do with the fact they are illegal, which brought me into a great deal of conflict with family members and the authorities.

Of course I am tempted to numb myself, once again, as it worked, for me, for a long time. I now struggle not to simply numb myself again., and as certain of drug-taking are so painful, because of their illegality

Anyway, thank you for your kind words, .

 

Hi I felt that the road you may be travelling on could be one of perpetual struggle and anguish.  (That's a cheery start to an email, isn't it!!!). 

You know that there is no utopian life out there, there is no life that is " fair " . Even if a classless society existed, and everyone managed to break free of their God-given (or whatever) instinct of self-preservation and lived for everyone, lovely young people would still get taken by cancer, and people would still endure disability, and wives and husbands would still be unfaithful.

Fighting unfairness?...... well, it's one huge collossal struggle rope I don't want to go near, let alone pull on.  I wonder if Victor l's book might be a good one for you: he was in a concentration camp, and watched how some

people found meaning in life despite the odious oppression and hatred and hopelessness of the situation.  It's mentioned in passing in the Happiness Trap.  " Man's Search for Meaning " .  It's very short, and not as an emotional book as you might think.  But it made me think in different ways.

Can I say that if I was a bystander in the chemists, I would have been dismayed by the lack of compassion shown by most people to the elderly person who fell down.  But I would have been warmed by the kindness I saw you give.... and that is what I choose to reflect on now.  There are plenty of examples of generosity in the world, and I choose to focus on them, and live by their values.  I'm going to do my best to defuse the thoughts of selfishness and inequity that I know fills the world.  Life's too short.

Good luck x

To: ACT_for_the_Public

Sent: Sat, 27 November, 2010 7:23:05Subject: Re: Re: The value of insurrectionary anarchism

 

Glad it is of interest to you, .   " Anarchism " can ring alarm bells because to some people it has the automatic connotation of violence and chaos.  Cheers

Kate

Really good stuff Kate. I was born just down the road from him!Guess my initial stance must have appeared rather extreme,

because I believe such a radical problem requires an equally radical solution (paraphrasing Norman Finkelstein). Believe me, my values couldn't be further removed from those of Adolf Hitler! 

On 27 November 2010 06:07, Lovett  wrote:

Thank you for links Kate.  For a while there I felt totally alone and misunderstood. Guess I wasn't explaining myself very well. This sounds much more like it. Will get back to you once I've checked

them out.On 26 November 2010 23:35, kate  wrote:

 Hi You may find Smail's writings to be of interest.  He focuses on the dysfunctions and power imbalances in modern society and how they affect people's mental health and well-being.  From his website: " The so-called psychiatric 'disorders' are nothing to do with faulty biology,

nor indeed are they the outcome of individual moral weakness or other personal failing. They are the creation of the social world in which we live, and that world is structured by power. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Smail_(psychologist)http://www.davidsmail.info/introfra.htm

CheersKate

Please try to understand that I am in a truly

desperate space. I am suffering with chronic anxiety and suicidal.My personal values may seem extreme to some, and they are all that I have to cling onto.I am attempting to help myself by helping others and I believe the current 'social' environment to be the cause of some of my pain.

The other day I was waiting to pick up a prescription in a busy chemists, when two older ladies came in to ask for help as one had fallen over. She was obviously disorientated and bleeding profusely from a head wound. There were six members of staff on duty, none of whom even offered her a seat. They did call a taxi, however, but she didn't have the money to pay for it. So it was cancelled.

A this point, I stood up, took her to a seat and asked them to re-order it, stating that I would pay. The first thing she did was ask if I was working and said she couldn't take my money, however I reassured her and said I just hoped somebody shows me

compassion when the time comes, that I will inevitably need it. The shop was busy and staff, presumably concerned about losing their jobs, continued to serve, and take money from the other customers. 

I'm sure my values are very different to those of Adolf Hitler, and stan by everything I have said. I am, myself, in dire need of support, and know how it feels to have no-one to turn to.There is already more than enough pain and suffering in this world, and the last thing I want to do is add to it. 

Love and peace to you all.

>> Are you thinking of the values of someone like Adolf

Hitler? After all, he > really believed that he was setting the German people free. You could say that > he did have values. - just not the ones most of us would choose!  The British 

> people had values too - that of being free. So who is to say who is right? I > think it's back to playground politics. Who started the fight and why. If a > person or country is trying to live in peace and then the playground bully comes 

> up and says - 'Do things my way or else' - don't we have a duty to stand up to > that bully? As values, Freedom, democracy, compassion sound good to me. And if > you have to fight to protect those values - so be it. So in a way I agree with 

> you - up to a point! We are having riots in the UK because

the Government > is putting up tuition fees for university - BUT we have the freedom to riot if > we want too. And many thousands died for that freedom.> What am I saying? Values can't be imposed.

> > Simone> > > > > ________________________________>

> To: ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Thu, 25 November, 2010 18:47:18

> Subject: The value of insurrectionary anarchism> >   > I've

practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and 

> passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all 

> suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't 

> even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving

to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock > the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have 

> over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. > This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is 

> difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. > > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and 

>

historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya 

> basta!> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .

>

-- Regards,    -- Regards,   Lovett 

-- Regards,  

[Guest guest]

PPS, value for me is not political, but humane. Your comments are very much appreciated.

Hi . Life is certainly painful and I actually appreciate the honest start to your email. I accept that pain is inevitable, and like yourself, gave up on utopian idealising some time ago.

ATM I am finding it particularly hard to defuse, and feel I have no choice but to act if I am to reduce my suffering. I often wish I could believe in a god, and used opiates for many years, but deceiving myself simply shifts the focus of my suffering. However, I do have some understanding of the 'divine' justice of the people.

I am familiar with l, and as an ex-drug addict of 30ys I have suffered a fair bit myself. Although some might say my own suffering was self-inflicted I believe socio-economic factors played a big part. In fact, I am alive now because I took drugs. They allowed me to live, in a purely physical sense, when I believed I had no right to! I was a zombie; literally one of the undead!

People keep telling me I should feel grateful for being clean, but I actually experienced less conflict then. Like most people I enjoyed taking drugs. Thy were literally, my life. My suffering at that time was again, mainly to do with the fact they are illegal, which brought me into a great deal of conflict with family members and the authorities.

Of course I am tempted to numb myself, once again, as it worked, for me, for a long time. I now struggle not to simply numb myself again., and as certain of drug-taking are so painful, because of their illegality

Anyway, thank you for your kind words, .

 

Hi I felt that the road you may be travelling on could be one of perpetual struggle and anguish.  (That's a cheery start to an email, isn't it!!!). 

You know that there is no utopian life out there, there is no life that is " fair " . Even if a classless society existed, and everyone managed to break free of their God-given (or whatever) instinct of self-preservation and lived for everyone, lovely young people would still get taken by cancer, and people would still endure disability, and wives and husbands would still be unfaithful.

Fighting unfairness?...... well, it's one huge collossal struggle rope I don't want to go near, let alone pull on.  I wonder if Victor l's book might be a good one for you: he was in a concentration camp, and watched how some

people found meaning in life despite the odious oppression and hatred and hopelessness of the situation.  It's mentioned in passing in the Happiness Trap.  " Man's Search for Meaning " .  It's very short, and not as an emotional book as you might think.  But it made me think in different ways.

Can I say that if I was a bystander in the chemists, I would have been dismayed by the lack of compassion shown by most people to the elderly person who fell down.  But I would have been warmed by the kindness I saw you give.... and that is what I choose to reflect on now.  There are plenty of examples of generosity in the world, and I choose to focus on them, and live by their values.  I'm going to do my best to defuse the thoughts of selfishness and inequity that I know fills the world.  Life's too short.

Good luck x

To: ACT_for_the_Public

Sent: Sat, 27 November, 2010 7:23:05Subject: Re: Re: The value of insurrectionary anarchism

 

Glad it is of interest to you, .   " Anarchism " can ring alarm bells because to some people it has the automatic connotation of violence and chaos.  Cheers

Kate

Really good stuff Kate. I was born just down the road from him!Guess my initial stance must have appeared rather extreme,

because I believe such a radical problem requires an equally radical solution (paraphrasing Norman Finkelstein). Believe me, my values couldn't be further removed from those of Adolf Hitler! 

On 27 November 2010 06:07, Lovett  wrote:

Thank you for links Kate.  For a while there I felt totally alone and misunderstood. Guess I wasn't explaining myself very well. This sounds much more like it. Will get back to you once I've checked

them out.On 26 November 2010 23:35, kate  wrote:

 Hi You may find Smail's writings to be of interest.  He focuses on the dysfunctions and power imbalances in modern society and how they affect people's mental health and well-being.  From his website: " The so-called psychiatric 'disorders' are nothing to do with faulty biology,

nor indeed are they the outcome of individual moral weakness or other personal failing. They are the creation of the social world in which we live, and that world is structured by power. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Smail_(psychologist)http://www.davidsmail.info/introfra.htm

CheersKate

Please try to understand that I am in a truly

desperate space. I am suffering with chronic anxiety and suicidal.My personal values may seem extreme to some, and they are all that I have to cling onto.I am attempting to help myself by helping others and I believe the current 'social' environment to be the cause of some of my pain.

The other day I was waiting to pick up a prescription in a busy chemists, when two older ladies came in to ask for help as one had fallen over. She was obviously disorientated and bleeding profusely from a head wound. There were six members of staff on duty, none of whom even offered her a seat. They did call a taxi, however, but she didn't have the money to pay for it. So it was cancelled.

A this point, I stood up, took her to a seat and asked them to re-order it, stating that I would pay. The first thing she did was ask if I was working and said she couldn't take my money, however I reassured her and said I just hoped somebody shows me

compassion when the time comes, that I will inevitably need it. The shop was busy and staff, presumably concerned about losing their jobs, continued to serve, and take money from the other customers. 

I'm sure my values are very different to those of Adolf Hitler, and stan by everything I have said. I am, myself, in dire need of support, and know how it feels to have no-one to turn to.There is already more than enough pain and suffering in this world, and the last thing I want to do is add to it. 

Love and peace to you all.

>> Are you thinking of the values of someone like Adolf

Hitler? After all, he > really believed that he was setting the German people free. You could say that > he did have values. - just not the ones most of us would choose!  The British 

> people had values too - that of being free. So who is to say who is right? I > think it's back to playground politics. Who started the fight and why. If a > person or country is trying to live in peace and then the playground bully comes 

> up and says - 'Do things my way or else' - don't we have a duty to stand up to > that bully? As values, Freedom, democracy, compassion sound good to me. And if > you have to fight to protect those values - so be it. So in a way I agree with 

> you - up to a point! We are having riots in the UK because

the Government > is putting up tuition fees for university - BUT we have the freedom to riot if > we want too. And many thousands died for that freedom.> What am I saying? Values can't be imposed.

> > Simone> > > > > ________________________________>

> To: ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Thu, 25 November, 2010 18:47:18

> Subject: The value of insurrectionary anarchism> >   > I've

practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and 

> passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all 

> suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't 

> even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving

to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock > the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have 

> over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. > This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is 

> difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. > > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and 

>

historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya 

> basta!> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .

>

-- Regards,    -- Regards,   Lovett 

-- Regards,  

-- Regards,   Lovett

[Guest guest]

I didn't mean you were like Adolf Hitler, ! Just that some things are worth fighting for. Maybe Mahatma Gandi would have been a better example! Think I had better keep quiet!

Simone

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Sat, 27 November, 2010 6:20:56Subject: Re: Re: The value of insurrectionary anarchism

Really good stuff Kate. I was born just down the road from him!Guess my initial stance must have appeared rather extreme, because I believe such a radical problem requires an equally radical solution (paraphrasing Norman Finkelstein). Believe me, my values couldn't be further removed from those of Adolf Hitler!

Thank you for links Kate. For a while there I felt totally alone and misunderstood. Guess I wasn't explaining myself very well. This sounds much more like it. Will get back to you once I've checked them out.

Hi

You may find Smail's writings to be of interest. He focuses on the dysfunctions and power imbalances in modern society and how they affect people's mental health and well-being. From his website: "The so-called psychiatric 'disorders' are nothing to do with faulty biology, nor indeed are they the outcome of individual moral weakness or other personal failing. They are the creation of the social world in which we live, and that world is structured by power."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Smail_(psychologist)

http://www.davidsmail.info/introfra.htm

Cheers

Kate

Please try to understand that I am in a truly desperate space. I am suffering with chronic anxiety and suicidal.My personal values may seem extreme to some, and they are all that I have to cling onto.I am attempting to help myself by helping others and I believe the current 'social' environment to be the cause of some of my pain.The other day I was waiting to pick up a prescription in a busy chemists, when two older ladies came in to ask for help as one had fallen over. She was obviously disorientated and bleeding profusely from a head wound. There were six members of staff on duty, none of whom even offered her a seat. They did call a taxi, however, but she didn't have the money to pay for it. So it was cancelled.A this point, I stood up, took her to a seat and asked them to re-order it, stating that I would pay. The first thing she did was ask if I was working and said she couldn't take my money, however I reassured

her and said I just hoped somebody shows me compassion when the time comes, that I will inevitably need it. The shop was busy and staff, presumably concerned about losing their jobs, continued to serve, and take money from the other customers. I'm sure my values are very different to those of Adolf Hitler, and stan by everything I have said. I am, myself, in dire need of support, and know how it feels to have no-one to turn to.There is already more than enough pain and suffering in this world, and the last thing I want to do is add to it. Love and peace to you all.>> Are you thinking

of the values of someone like Adolf Hitler? After all, he > really believed that he was setting the German people free. You could say that > he did have values. - just not the ones most of us would choose! The British > people had values too - that of being free. So who is to say who is right? I > think it's back to playground politics. Who started the fight and why. If a > person or country is trying to live in peace and then the playground bully comes > up and says - 'Do things my way or else' - don't we have a duty to stand up to > that bully? As values, Freedom, democracy, compassion sound good to me. And if > you have to fight to protect those values - so be it. So in a way I agree with > you - up to a point! We

are having riots in the UK because the Government > is putting up tuition fees for university - BUT we have the freedom to riot if > we want too. And many thousands died for that freedom.> What am I saying? Values can't be imposed.> > Simone> > > > > ________________________________> > To: ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Thu, 25 November, 2010 18:47:18> Subject: The value of insurrectionary anarchism> >

 > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all > suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't > even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy

simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock > the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. > This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. > > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful

and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>

-- Regards, -- Regards, Lovett

[Guest guest]

HI Helena, I realise I over-reacted and as I've been ill lately I really didn't ant to get drawn into an argument. I'm sure you are a warm and generous person - else you wouldn't be involved with ACt. I had to take a few days out, but feeling a lot more positive now, and will be back on forum later today.

I look forward to seeing you there.

 

Hi (if you're still here)

My name is Helena and I wrote the post you didn't like.  I signed my name to it but I guess you didn't see that.  and Simone would have never said what I did; they are much too kind.  I am basically very kind as well, but have a tendency to sometimes spout off without thinking about the effect my words may have.  Just when I think I have that problem licked, off I go again.  You may be a kind person, too, but all I know about you is what you posted, and I was confused about what you meant in your first post.  I resorted to goggling insurrectionary anarchism and what I read was scary and chilling.  So, since you didn't explain it, I did make a judgment about you, based on the little information I had, and perhaps it was wrong.  But then, you judged me as a bigot, which I am not.  I admit I am not well informed about this cause that you are so passionate about.  It seems so dark and negative to me.  I prefer to focus on shining a light in this world as a means to eradicate darkness; but we are all different.

Earlier you said " And please don't keep quiet. That's the last thing I'd want anyone to do!!! "   Does that include me or just the people whose responses you like?  I do hope you will stick around so that the other folks on this list can help you on your journey.  But if you want to allow one stinker to run you off, that's your right.  I don't like having that much power.  Please revolt against me by sticking around. 

 

Helenainal Message -----To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 7:12:59 PMSubject: Re: Re: The value of insurrectionary anarchism

 

How dare you judge me like that. Anyone who knows me also knows I am honest about my problems and passionate about my values, and yes I believe I am a kind person. On the contrary, I couldn't be more upset by your bigotted response hbbr/Arian/Simone whoever you are. I certainly didn't wish to be drawn into an argument. I'm ill enough already.

Thank you to those who did show some warmth and generosity of spirit, but I've really had enough.

>>and it's not surprising the very mention of the word is enough to fill most of us with foreboding and dread.

 

And yet you mentioned it, without so much as within a context.  I cannot help but think that you hoped to shock  and provoke.  I googled the term and was horrified.  Now you present yourself as someone nice and kind who did not mean to be provocative.  I think you got the reaction you were hoping for.  Good luck with that approach.

 

Helena

The value of insurrectionary anarchism> >   > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of 

> insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!

> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all 

> suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't 

> even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock 

> the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. 

> This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. 

> > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and 

> realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> 

> Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>

-- Regards,  

-- Regards,   Lovett

-- Love and peace,  

-- Regards,   Lovett

-- Regards,   Lovett

[Guest guest]

I have long been an active member of the Palestine

Solidarity Campaign, and as I became more ill, my

political stance became progressively more extreme. To the

point where I felt I was losing control. This was

terrifying for me. . . . Sometimes I wish I could switch

all this off, and just focus on myself, but I can't. Or

can I? Are my values distorted by my suffering?

..

Hi ,

I don't know about illness in relation to values, but reading your

words reminds me of myself, when I clench so hard sometimes in

holding on to a particular belief that the clenching itself seems to

get in the way of living.

I wonder if some of why this doesn't work might be due to the

difference between a value and its manifestation in a particular

context. These are different but easily confused & maybe this is

where getting stuck is more likely to happen

If I can give a made-up example: Let us say that you value (that is,

care about, make important through your actions) the cause of the

Palestinian people. And let us say you are able to act on this value

by various means - public speaking, donating money, reading books on

this cause & talking with other people about it, attending

rallies etc.

Say then that something happens in your life where supporting this

cause either becomes no longer necessary (perhaps because peace

unexpectedly (!!!) comes to the Middle East), or no longer possible

(you can no longer speak in public, donate money, etc., for whatever

reason).

Would the value disappear? As manifested in that particular way,

yes. But in another sense, whatever compassion and empathy and

instinctive sense of justice you felt for this original cause might

still manifest itself in some other way, perhaps seemingly trivial

yet still very real.

Another example: Say that I value my father - or more specifically,

caring for my father, honoring my father, listening to my father.

Well, the way I do these things has changed, because my father died

two years ago, and so I can no longer listen to him or care for him

in the flesh. But my value of caring for him lives on in other ways,

through my remembering him and his life and letting those memories

inform how I care now for other people.

With my father I am fairly flexible. In some other areas, though, I

find it especially hard to let go of what seems a value but might be

just a manifestation. Yet letting go rather than clinging seems like

it would help me be more flexible in pursuing actions I can actually

do.

It is sort of the difference between living entirely in our thoughts

.... and being able to let go of some of the passion and force of

them now & then and visit the here and now & allow ourselves

to be surprised.

So I would say that if you feel stuck, and if this stuckness is

bothering you, then it's worth attending to this sense of stuckness

& opening up to it. You could do this with an ACT therapist or

you could try & work on your own with one of the many ACT

workbooks out there (which I assume you already know about).

I don't know if any of this relates to what you're going through.

Either way good luck.

- Randy

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your generosity of spirit. I'm so sorry you're ill. Welcome back!Helena

The value of insurrectionary anarchism> > Â > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of > insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all > suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't > even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock > the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. > This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. > > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and > realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> > Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>

-- Regards, -- Regards, Lovett

-- Love and peace,

-- Regards, Lovett

-- Regards, Lovett

[Guest guest]

Frstly, I would like to thank everyone for their input, positive and ngative. As I mentoned elewhere, 'humankind', and by extension' the world are, currently,  in a state of extreme crisis. I believe that by focusing on our own, individual suffering, we have totally lost sight of more impoprtant values such as, our abilities to remain open, show, compassion, understanding, tolerance of others etc etc, the list is endless.

Of course, I am left feeling rejected, but guess I'd be more concerned if everyone had said they 'loved' me, cos either they would have meant that I was knowingly deceiving you all, and myself. People are nasty by nature. We can't help it, but it's an unforunate fact. That's anoher reason behind my anxiety and melancholia.

I want to elaborate further, initially to Randy's rather constructive post, which deals with subject from a very ACt-orientated approach. THen, I shall try to answer everyboy else's concerns one at a time.

 It is now proven through various clinical trials, that excessive and prolonged use of the drug can lead to permanent brain-damage, and my gaba-receptors have atrophied to the oint where I will need a small diazepam prescription for th remainder of my natual!

Thanks to Randy; but nothing out of the ordinary has occurred that could cause such rapid and  extreme deterioration in my mental health, aside from the fact that I had stopped taking the pills.Teeth clenching is a clear indication of emotional conflict. A conflict which is often internal, but may also be externl eg. in my case, the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and close proximity of another pointless war, have a hugely negative impact on my general state of health.

I'm sure the people living directly in the way of all that suffering would remain, totally perplexed by the concepts of acceptance and ACt, generally. Or might the, perhaps, benefit from it in some way? 

Unfiortunately, in the grand scheme of things, pets!, family, and sustained maintenance my own physical and mental health, remain my most significant vales, however. Cos if I lose them, I will no longer be able to help others, in far greater need than myself.

More to follow, cos I struggle a bit understanding and expressing myself via a purely ACt perspective. TBC.Good night, everyone - c u in the morning,

 

Hi (if you're still here)

My name is Helena and I wrote the post you didn't like.  I signed my name to it but I guess you didn't see that.  and Simone would have never said what I did; they are much too kind.  I am basically very kind as well, but have a tendency to sometimes spout off without thinking about the effect my words may have.  Just when I think I have that problem licked, off I go again.  You may be a kind person, too, but all I know about you is what you posted, and I was confused about what you meant in your first post.  I resorted to goggling insurrectionary anarchism and what I read was scary and chilling.  So, since you didn't explain it, I did make a judgment about you, based on the little information I had, and perhaps it was wrong.  But then, you judged me as a bigot, which I am not.  I admit I am not well informed about this cause that you are so passionate about.  It seems so dark and negative to me.  I prefer to focus on shining a light in this world as a means to eradicate darkness; but we are all different.

Earlier you said " And please don't keep quiet. That's the last thing I'd want anyone to do!!! "   Does that include me or just the people whose responses you like?  I do hope you will stick around so that the other folks on this list can help you on your journey.  But if you want to allow one stinker to run you off, that's your right.  I don't like having that much power.  Please revolt against me by sticking around. 

 

Helenainal Message -----To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 7:12:59 PMSubject: Re: Re: The value of insurrectionary anarchism

 

How dare you judge me like that. Anyone who knows me also knows I am honest about my problems and passionate about my values, and yes I believe I am a kind person. On the contrary, I couldn't be more upset by your bigotted response hbbr/Arian/Simone whoever you are. I certainly didn't wish to be drawn into an argument. I'm ill enough already.

Thank you to those who did show some warmth and generosity of spirit, but I've really had enough.

>>and it's not surprising the very mention of the word is enough to fill most of us with foreboding and dread.

 

And yet you mentioned it, without so much as within a context.  I cannot help but think that you hoped to shock  and provoke.  I googled the term and was horrified.  Now you present yourself as someone nice and kind who did not mean to be provocative.  I think you got the reaction you were hoping for.  Good luck with that approach.

 

Helena

The value of insurrectionary anarchism> >   > I've practised ACT for 18mths, and my most important value is one of 

> insurrectionary anarchism. As most of my pain is the result of dysfunctional > social, and to a lesser extent familial conditioning I believe my anger and > passion for insurrection is completely justifiable, if a little scary!

> > All my life I have believed myself to be defective, as my personal values were > apparently so different to everyone else's. But now I notice how much we are all 

> suffering, and how the crisis appears to worsen with each new day. > > > While many of us remain unaware of the causes of our suffering, others don't 

> even realise. Of those who are aware, many are too busy simply striving to > survive, to concern themselves with personal development. While the more > privileged, who believe themselves to be relatively content, are loathe to rock 

> the boat for fear of losing the insignificant advantages they believe they have > over many others. > > > Then, there are those who are prepared to exploit and intensify our suffering. 

> This tiny group share an inordinate degree of power, and material wealth. It is > difficult and dangerous to even question their importance and sovereignty over > the rest of us. 

> > > In order to maintain their 'privileged' positions they employ powerful and > historical conditioning techniques that profoundly affect the potential and 

> realistic values of the majority 99.9% of the global population.> > This is a very brief explanation of why my primary value is their downfall. Ya > basta!> 

> Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated as I realise I am now > playing with fire!> > Unbounded love and insurrectionary greetings to all, .>

-- Regards,  

-- Regards,   Lovett

-- Love and peace,  

-- Regards,   Lovett

-- Regards,   Lovett