Re: Oops! Meds vs Diet Exercise Only

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In a message dated 08/18/2000 6:29:15 PM Central Daylight Time,

designnut@... writes:

<< I find it easy to keep low even sugars, Sam

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Tell me again how you do this same Thanks I just cant get with

this Its hard to change eating habit, but I have to do it Thanks

for any help you can give.

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In a message dated 08/18/2000 7:12:13 PM Central Daylight Time,

designnut@... writes:

<< Night more fruit from the same dish.

In summer my fasting runs 86, in winter 95. \sam >>

Is this what you eat every day or do you change things around

and isnt eating eggs every day bad for you??

linda

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In a message dated 08/18/2000 7:25:46 PM Central Daylight Time,

designnut@... writes:

<<

I don't nderstand bad for you, I had everything checked recently, liver,

kidney, heart, thyroid, OK. >>

My cholesteral was bad so eating too many eggs are bad for me

but for some I quess they can do it I love eggs though

linda

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We are indeed blessed, nn

Medications for diabetes are truely something to be thankful for. Yes there are some side-effects. Seems like we have to deal with something, right?

But the meds are absolutely a good thing to be able to fall back on when the need arrives.

Meenie

Oops! Meds vs Diet Exercise Only

This was supposed to read: without the help of modern science, not with! Duh! :0)

Why fight taking meds? If you need them, the risk of side effects is muchless than the risk of allowing your sugar to go high. I'm so grateful thatthere are meds available now. Our ancestors had no choice in the matter andhad to suffer the ravages of diabetes *withOUT* the help of modern science. Weare indeed blessed...nn

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nn, I've been on insulin, when I didn't need it, I took myself off

to oral, off oral to diet. Possibly you don't appreciate how few carbs

are needed to keep sugar normal. You surely don't need more if your

sugar isn't under 100. I find it easy to keep low even sugars, Sam

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, I eat 2 eggs for breakfast, I rub some cold mage on a small

teflon skillet, break the yolks and stir them some. Later I have an

orange or a half depending on my schedule, hunger. Noon I have a salad

with some meat and cheese. 3 pm half or a third of a small dish of mixed

fruit, eat some vanilla yogurt with sweetener.

Normal dinner, steamed veg, meat with drops of oil to fry, 1/2 a potato

or yam, small salad. Night more fruit from the same dish.

In summer my fasting runs 86, in winter 95. \sam

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I don't worry too much about cholesterol, mine is fairly low, no kidney

problems. I will have a dish of strawberries or half depending on how I

feel, eat the rest later in the morning instead of the eggs. I eat more

in the winter, our energy requiremewnts for heat are more, perhaps

another small dish of fruit, about a measuring cup full.

right now kiwi, banana, mango. a papaya is about ripe, so will have

some. I keep fruit ripening on the counter, Sam

I don't nderstand bad for you, I had everything checked recently, liver,

kidney, heart, thyroid, OK.

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In a message dated 08/18/2000 11:31:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sandy46@... writes:

<< > Sandy, a suggestion, don't eat if your sugar is at 100. >>

I don't advise this, you be sick in no time since your bg's are high, you'd

never get to 100 without meds.

Remember, dm is progressive, follow your dr's orders, don't starve!!!! Please

listen to your dr, no one else.

carol

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I find it easy to keep low even sugars,

You're lucky, Sam...not everyone finds it so easy.

Sandy

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> Is this what you eat every day or do you change things around

> and isnt eating eggs every day bad for you??

That's where I am torn... I know that I can't eat anything at all or I can

eat protein when I wake up to a 260 blood sugar. I'd much rather eat a bowl

of cereal, but one bowl of cereal, with no sugar would cause a 100 point

rise in my blood sugar. Which is worse?

Sandy

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Sandy, a suggestion, don't eat if your sugar is at 100. Sam

[Guest guest]

> Sandy, a suggestion, don't eat if your sugar is at 100.

Sam,

I've thought of that, but that doesn't seem healthy, considering it's always

above 100, not to mention, I'm sooooo hungry.

Sandy

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Sandy, I saved this. It seems carbos call for more...

NEW YORK, Mar 04 (Reuters Health) -- Eating pasta, white bread,

potatoes, and other rapidly digested " starchy " or " sugary " foods may

lead to overeating by triggering a hormonal state that convinces the

body it is still hungry, researchers report this month in the electronic

version of the journal Pediatrics.Dr. S. Ludwig of Tufts

University in Boston, Massachusetts, and colleagues offered 12 obese

teenage boys unlimited snacks several hours after giving them low-,

medium-, or high-starch meals.

The low-starch meal consisted of a vegetable omelet and fruit, the

medium was

unprocessed oatmeal, and the high-starch meal was processed " instant "

oatmeal.

All of the meals had the same number of calories.

The boys who had eaten the high-starch instant oatmeal ate 81% more

snacks than those who had eaten the low-starch omelet and fruit, the

researchers found.

The investigators also found that the blood sugar of these boys had

risen sharply and then crashed, triggering hunger.

More Americans are obese now than at any time in recorded history –

approximately 20% of children and more than 33% of adults. The

popularity of starchy foods may play a role, Ludwig's team notes.

Although more work needs to be done to determine the optimal healthy

diet, the study authors write that " this study suggests possible

advantages for treatment of obesity... with abundant quantities of

vegetables, legumes, and fruits; decreased amounts of... carbohydrates;

and moderate intake of protein and fats. "

SOURCE: Pediatrics 1999;103:e26.

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In a message dated 08/20/2000 6:40:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

armina@... writes:

<< Your cholesterol will drop >>

Mine did, my dr was shocked, high chol runs in my family and he told me I'd

never get it down without meds but I did.

carol

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> Is this what you eat every day or do you change things around

> and isnt eating eggs every day bad for you??

Hi ,

Not if you're eating low carbs. It seems it is the combination of fats and

carbs that causes your cholesterol to rise. Eating low carb brings it down!

Meenie

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High insulin levels (due to being type II and resistant to insulin) causes

you to be hungry. Read Atkins or Dr Bernstein and you will begin to

understand why and how low carb works. Your bg's will get down and you will

lose your cravings. Your cholesterol will drop and you will have lots of

foods to eat

Meenie

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> That's where I am torn... I know that I can't eat anything at all or I can

> eat protein when I wake up to a 260 blood sugar. I'd much rather eat a

bowl

> of cereal, but one bowl of cereal, with no sugar would cause a 100 point

> rise in my blood sugar. Which is worse?

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> Sandy

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Also having high levels of insulin floating around in your body, as we type

II insulin resistant types tend to do, causes hunger.

Meenie

> > The investigators also found that the blood sugar of these boys had

> > risen sharply and then crashed, triggering hunger.

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> Yes, I've read that... when carbs are eaten the blood sugar rises abruptly

> and then crashes below what it was.... didn't know about the triggering

> hunger, though. Thanks!

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You can have fats, eggs, steak, etc OR you can have pasta,rice, potatoes you

can't have both. The eggs are the culprit, it is the combination of the

eggs and the carbs.

Meenie

Re: Oops! Meds vs Diet Exercise Only

> In a message dated 08/18/2000 7:25:46 PM Central Daylight Time,

> designnut@... writes:

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> <<

> I don't nderstand bad for you, I had everything checked recently, liver,

> kidney, heart, thyroid, OK. >>

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> My cholesteral was bad so eating too many eggs are bad for me

> but for some I quess they can do it I love eggs though

>

> linda

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At 06:36 PM 8/20/00 -0400, you wrote:

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>> Is this what you eat every day or do you change things around

>> and isnt eating eggs every day bad for you??

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>Hi ,

>Not if you're eating low carbs. It seems it is the combination of fats and

>carbs that causes your cholesterol to rise. Eating low carb brings it down!

>

> Meenie

That's been my experience too. It's a common myth that carbs are

essential, some are but not those from processed foods, flour, potatoes,

pasta...When I am strict with my diet I have wonderful Bg's. It's hard

when travelling, but I am learning how. I get most of my carbs from

veggies and very few, but some from whole grains.

S

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" One resolution I have made, and try always to keep,

is this: 'To rise above little things.' "

- Burroughs

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Following the right diet will help bring your bg's into line, medication can

help if necessary - and if a good diet and exercise don't work, meds are

necessary (and a blessing)

However, I would suggest you give diet a go. Low fat is fine it if works

for you. I couldn't hack it - was hungry all the time. All those carbs

caused my bg's to go up anyway, even tho I was dieting <sigh> and I was very

frustrated.

I went on Atkins and got my bg's down to normal within 4 weeks. I can eat

whenever I want to and love it.

Bottom line: do what works for you.

Meenie

Re: Oops! Meds vs Diet Exercise Only

> In a message dated 08/18/2000 11:31:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> sandy46@... writes:

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> << > Sandy, a suggestion, don't eat if your sugar is at 100. >>

>

> I don't advise this, you be sick in no time since your bg's are high,

you'd

> never get to 100 without meds.

> Remember, dm is progressive, follow your dr's orders, don't starve!!!!

Please

> listen to your dr, no one else.

> carol

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I work in a hospital and for many tests people are " npo " which means nothing

by mouth - and that means nothing - not even water. If they're diabetic and

their blood sugar is getting too low they're given an iv with dextrose in it

to keep their sugars up.

People are put on clear liquids before most bowel studies because they want

the bowel cleaned out before they go poking around in there - I think the

reasons are obvious.

If they are told to have nothing but water, or told to have nothing at all,

its usually because they will get some type of medication or some kind of

dye will be used in the test and they don't want you getting sick and puking

all over them.

Meenie

> As for testing, no people don't fast for testing. I am a nurse, they are

told

> to do clear liqs for bowel testing, juices are loaded with carbs, so your

> theory is all wrong.

> Some testing is " fasting " is only a few hours, and fasting means no solid

> food.

> When I did clear liqs for my bowel testing, I felt full from the juices

> because I was actually taking in more carbs than normal eating!!! LOL

> Now that I have an ileostomy, the barium study is done through the stoma ,

> much easier for me, as I only had to do clear liqs 2 hours before study

was

> done.

> I was told I could drink water up to just going or even just before test,

> well I figure, if I can drink water, its liquid, why not apple juice or

> something for an experiment, so I did, and they didn't even notice, and I

> don't have a colon, just the small bowel, and they still didn't notice the

> difference. :-)

> carol

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>Eating low carb brings it down!

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> Meenie

That's been my experience too. It's a common myth that carbs are

essential, some are but not those from processed foods, flour, potatoes,

pasta

It's interesting that we're told constantly to eat things in moderation, yet

the number of carbs in the typical diet is phenomenal!

I used a " carb calculator " on the web and it said I should be eating 266

grams of carbs a day! My bg would be 500 if I did that!

Meenie

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> I used a " carb calculator " on the web and it said I should be eating 266

> grams of carbs a day! My bg would be 500 if I did that!

I was eating about that, and mine was almost that -- 450 at the highest.

It's down to 170 in the morning, though, so I'm making progress :-)

Sandy

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> Following the right diet will help bring your bg's into line, medication

can

> help if necessary - and if a good diet and exercise don't work, meds are

> necessary (and a blessing)

> However, I would suggest you give diet a go. Low fat is fine it if works

> for you. I couldn't hack it - was hungry all the time. All those carbs

> caused my bg's to go up anyway, even tho I was dieting <sigh> and I was

very

> frustrated.

> I went on Atkins and got my bg's down to normal within 4 weeks. I can eat

> whenever I want to and love it.

> Bottom line: do what works for you.

That's what I'm doing... choosing foods low on the glycemic index. Seems to

be working...

Sandy

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It's hard

when travelling, but I am learning how. I get most of my carbs from

veggies and very few, but some from whole grains.

Traveling is difficult, and so is going out to eat.... when you eat out at a

pizza restaurant once a week. That's been part of our life for the last 6

years, and it's something we do with our family, so I don't want to give it

up. The owners are friends of ours, and we also go to hear our favorite

musical group perform. I have found ways to limit my carb intake and still

enjoy the pizza and the time with my family and friends.

Sandy