Guest guest Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 I'm interested in hearing your strategies for treating early waking insomnia. Interested in hearing other strategies. My contribution to the issue is to give you the tcm view from 'Maciocia' TCM regards insomnia as several different deficiency conditions, and differentiates very well. Where can i find this sophistication in western herbal practise. for instance : 1.difficulty in falling asleep but then sleeping well= deficiency heart blood 2. waking up many times during the night= kidney yin deficiency 3. dream disturbed sleep = liver fire or heart fire Stachys is specific 4. waking up early in morning , and unable to sleep again = deficiency of gall bladder TCM people does this require bitters?, any english gall bladder tonics you can mention 5. As people grow older they do sleep less due to normal decline of Qi and blood. So please if you have success in any of these categories what do you use ..thanks haskel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Hi and Lorraine, thanks for your replies, I studied two years of a five year chinese medicine course,at middlesex, it was dreadful, so then moved over to western herbal medicine. So i never studied the formulas, just the individual herbs, so i only half get TCM, but can understand what you mean about the complete formulas having something that works about them, i guess its centuries of refinement. I believe we have presently lost this tradition of formulas in western herbal medicine. Although i love the structured philosophy and practise of TCM I resist TCM also as i make my own tinctures and am going more and more into using local herbs, and find more and more that the bought in exotic herbs seem to dissapear one by one from my dispensary as i use local herbs. I will look into Dr La praz's work thanks for the tip. there is a herbalist near me studying with him , i will ask him. thanks haskel > > > I'm interested in hearing your strategies for treating early waking insomnia. > > > > Interested in hearing other strategies. > > My contribution to the issue is to give you the tcm view from 'Maciocia' > > TCM regards insomnia as several different deficiency conditions, and differentiates very well. Where can i find this sophistication in western herbal practise. > > for instance : > > 1.difficulty in falling asleep but then sleeping well= deficiency heart blood > > 2. waking up many times during the night= kidney yin deficiency > > 3. dream disturbed sleep = liver fire or heart fire > > Stachys is specific > > 4. waking up early in morning , and unable to sleep again = deficiency of gall bladder > > TCM people does this require bitters?, any english gall bladder tonics you can mention > > 5. As people grow older they do sleep less due to normal decline of Qi and blood. > > > > So please if you have success in any of these categories what do you use ..thanks haskel > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Hi Haskel, The problem with TCM is that it looks straightforward on the surface but in practice it's a different ball game. Please note in any one real patient several patterns can be on the go! They may be difficult to identify as often do not present in 'text book' form. That's why I emphasised that first you need a good look at the patient to try to get to know WHAT you are dealing with. Only then can you build your strategy. I must say though some of the old formulas 'just work' I presume it's the unique synergy and what's even more peculiar is that they will work when similar concoctions of your own don't! Best wishes, Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Hi and Lorraine, > thanks for your replies, > I studied two years of a five year chinese medicine course,at middlesex, it was dreadful, so then moved over to western herbal medicine. So i never studied the formulas, just the individual herbs, so i only half get TCM, but can understand what you mean about the complete formulas having something that works about them, i guess its centuries of refinement. I believe we have presently lost this tradition of formulas in western herbal medicine. > Although i love the structured philosophy and practise of TCM I resist TCM also as i make my own tinctures and am going more and more into using local herbs, and find more and more that the bought in exotic herbs seem to dissapear one by one from my dispensary as i use local herbs. > I will look into Dr La praz's work thanks for the tip. > there is a herbalist near me studying with him , i will ask him. > thanks haskel > > > > > > > I'm interested in hearing your strategies for treating early waking insomnia. > > > > > > Interested in hearing other strategies. > > > My contribution to the issue is to give you the tcm view from 'Maciocia' > > > TCM regards insomnia as several different deficiency conditions, and differentiates very well. Where can i find this sophistication in western herbal practise. > > > for instance : > > > 1.difficulty in falling asleep but then sleeping well= deficiency heart blood > > > 2. waking up many times during the night= kidney yin deficiency > > > 3. dream disturbed sleep = liver fire or heart fire > > > Stachys is specific > > > 4. waking up early in morning , and unable to sleep again = deficiency of gall bladder > > > TCM people does this require bitters?, any english gall bladder tonics you can mention > > > 5. As people grow older they do sleep less due to normal decline of Qi and blood. > > > > > > So please if you have success in any of these categories what do you use ..thanks haskel > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Good news about the book, ! Would you be able to send us any details about it if/when you get them? Thanks Craig From: ukherbal-list [mailto:ukherbal-list ] On Behalf Of anna.newton@... Sent: 04 April 2011 19:04 To: ukherbal-list Subject: Re: Early waking insomnia Hi Haskel, you can find this differentiation in the endobiogenic approach ( Dr LA Praz's) - last seminar a week ago was precisely about different insomnia patterns - too complicated to explain in an e-mail, unfortunately, butt he book is promised next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 I don't think western herbal practice is necessarily less sophisticated than other approaches if sophisticated means getting the right solution. Using a humoral approach (thanks to Hedley), for example, on the one hand a difficulty getting off to sleep can be a condition of excess air manifesting as a busy mind and anxiety thus herbs like Valerian can be used to ground the sleeper. On the other hand over- excitement, which can be seen to be due to excess fire, also leads to difficulty getting to sleep but would require more cooling herbs like Wild Lettuce and Hops. Early morning waking may be a problem of depression, which is normally due to over-stimulation at some level and from many different directions, hence Vervain to let go of worries and Lemon Balm to bring back to balance, may be useful. Or early morning waking can be age related, in which can appropriate adaptogens, even ginseng if given during the day, can be useful as can Oats to nourish age related depletion. best wishes, Guy > I'm interested in hearing your strategies for treating early waking > insomnia. > > Interested in hearing other strategies. > My contribution to the issue is to give you the tcm view from > 'Maciocia' > TCM regards insomnia as several different deficiency conditions, > and differentiates very well. Where can i find this sophistication > in western herbal practise. > for instance : > 1.difficulty in falling asleep but then sleeping well= deficiency > heart blood > 2. waking up many times during the night= kidney yin deficiency > 3. dream disturbed sleep = liver fire or heart fire > Stachys is specific > 4. waking up early in morning , and unable to sleep again = > deficiency of gall bladder > TCM people does this require bitters?, any english gall bladder > tonics you can mention > 5. As people grow older they do sleep less due to normal decline of > Qi and blood. > > So please if you have success in any of these categories what do > you use .thanks haskel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Hi Craig,I am sure you will hear about it - many people are awaiting this book eagerly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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