Re: advertising and herbalists

> www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> Hello there,

>

> I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what

> practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less

> myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their

> understanding.

>

> thanks,

>

> Guy Waddell

>

May 2, 2011

Ah are you referring to the new on-line advertising affecting all internet

users in the UK, rather than practitioners specifically?

It was rather amazing that actually it was not illegal to lie on UK

web-sites, before March this year whereas now it is.

Hopefully that makes no difference at all to herbal practitioners

advertising, but should help them get more truthful information when they

search the net of UK websites.

If you spot a false or untrue claim on a UK website, you can now tell ASA

who have pretty strong power to expose such things.

I thought Guy's enquiry was about things like:

the claim to 'cure' rather than to 'treat';

the diseases which it is not legal to treat:

claims about personal competences etc.

Some of that is, I think, statute law and some of it is just controlled by

professional standards (for example, but not exclusively, NIMH's code of

professional conduct).

Just for clarity, is that what you were asking about Guy?

Kind regards to all,

paul

On 2 May 2011 12:08, Herbs and Helpers wrote:

>

> Hi Guy,

> You need to take a look at the ASA CAP guidelines published in March this

> lays down very clearly what may and may not be said.

>

> Lorraine

>

> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

> HERBS AND HELPERS

> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

>

> > Hello there,

> >

> > I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what

> > practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less

> > myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their

> > understanding.

> >

> > thanks,

> >

> > Guy Waddell

> >

>

May 2, 2011

Hello ,

It was the ASA that I was referring too. I should have been more

specific.

best wishes,

Guy

> Ah are you referring to the new on-line advertising affecting all

> internet

> users in the UK, rather than practitioners specifically?

>

> It was rather amazing that actually it was not illegal to lie on UK

> web-sites, before March this year whereas now it is.

>

> Hopefully that makes no difference at all to herbal practitioners

> advertising, but should help them get more truthful information

> when they

> search the net of UK websites.

>

> If you spot a false or untrue claim on a UK website, you can now

> tell ASA

> who have pretty strong power to expose such things.

>

> I thought Guy's enquiry was about things like:

>

> the claim to 'cure' rather than to 'treat';

> the diseases which it is not legal to treat:

> claims about personal competences etc.

>

> Some of that is, I think, statute law and some of it is just

> controlled by

> professional standards (for example, but not exclusively, NIMH's

> code of

> professional conduct).

>

> Just for clarity, is that what you were asking about Guy?

>

> Kind regards to all,

>

> paul

>

> On 2 May 2011 12:08, Herbs and Helpers

> wrote:

>

>>

>> Hi Guy,

>> You need to take a look at the ASA CAP guidelines published in

>> March this

>> lays down very clearly what may and may not be said.

>>

>> Lorraine

>>

>> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

>> HERBS AND HELPERS

>> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

>> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

>> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

>> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

>> www.herbalmedicineuk.com

>>

>>> Hello there,

>>>

>>> I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what

>>> practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less

>>> myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their

>>> understanding.

>>>

>>> thanks,

>>>

>>> Guy Waddell

>>>

>>

May 3, 2011

Oops, sorry for misinterpretation, Guy.......I think the only changes that

occurred in March are that UK general advertising law (i.e. what was legal

to say in print) has now been extended to websites and the internet in

general. Interestingly perhaps, it therefore also extends to truthfulness on

this ukherbal-list (assuming it's hosted in the UK); I just think it's

rather strange that it didn't do so previously!

>

> Hello ,

>

> It was the ASA that I was referring too. I should have been more

> specific.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Guy

>

> > Ah are you referring to the new on-line advertising affecting all

> > internet

> > users in the UK, rather than practitioners specifically?

> >

> > It was rather amazing that actually it was not illegal to lie on UK

> > web-sites, before March this year whereas now it is.

> >

> > Hopefully that makes no difference at all to herbal practitioners

> > advertising, but should help them get more truthful information

> > when they

> > search the net of UK websites.

> >

> > If you spot a false or untrue claim on a UK website, you can now

> > tell ASA

> > who have pretty strong power to expose such things.

> >

> > I thought Guy's enquiry was about things like:

> >

> > the claim to 'cure' rather than to 'treat';

> > the diseases which it is not legal to treat:

> > claims about personal competences etc.

> >

> > Some of that is, I think, statute law and some of it is just

> > controlled by

> > professional standards (for example, but not exclusively, NIMH's

> > code of

> > professional conduct).

> >

> > Just for clarity, is that what you were asking about Guy?

> >

> > Kind regards to all,

> >

> > paul

> >

> > On 2 May 2011 12:08, Herbs and Helpers

> > wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> Hi Guy,

> >> You need to take a look at the ASA CAP guidelines published in

> >> March this

> >> lays down very clearly what may and may not be said.

> >>

> >> Lorraine

> >>

> >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

> >> HERBS AND HELPERS

> >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

> >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

> >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> >>

> >>> Hello there,

> >>>

> >>> I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what

> >>> practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less

> >>> myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their

> >>> understanding.

> >>>

> >>> thanks,

> >>>

> >>> Guy Waddell

> >>>

> >>

May 3, 2011

Do take a look at the current NIMH leaflet!

Lorraine

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> Oops, sorry for misinterpretation, Guy.......I think the only changes that

> occurred in March are that UK general advertising law (i.e. what was legal

> to say in print) has now been extended to websites and the internet in

> general. Interestingly perhaps, it therefore also extends to truthfulness on

> this ukherbal-list (assuming it's hosted in the UK); I just think it's

> rather strange that it didn't do so previously!

>

>>

>> Hello ,

>>

>> It was the ASA that I was referring too. I should have been more

>> specific.

>>

>> best wishes,

>>

>> Guy

>>

>>> Ah are you referring to the new on-line advertising affecting all

>>> internet

>>> users in the UK, rather than practitioners specifically?

>>>

>>> It was rather amazing that actually it was not illegal to lie on UK

>>> web-sites, before March this year whereas now it is.

>>>

>>> Hopefully that makes no difference at all to herbal practitioners

>>> advertising, but should help them get more truthful information

>>> when they

>>> search the net of UK websites.

>>>

>>> If you spot a false or untrue claim on a UK website, you can now

>>> tell ASA

>>> who have pretty strong power to expose such things.

>>>

>>> I thought Guy's enquiry was about things like:

>>>

>>> the claim to 'cure' rather than to 'treat';

>>> the diseases which it is not legal to treat:

>>> claims about personal competences etc.

>>>

>>> Some of that is, I think, statute law and some of it is just

>>> controlled by

>>> professional standards (for example, but not exclusively, NIMH's

>>> code of

>>> professional conduct).

>>>

>>> Just for clarity, is that what you were asking about Guy?

>>>

>>> Kind regards to all,

>>>

>>> paul

>>>

>>> On 2 May 2011 12:08, Herbs and Helpers

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Hi Guy,

>>>> You need to take a look at the ASA CAP guidelines published in

>>>> March this

>>>> lays down very clearly what may and may not be said.

>>>>

>>>> Lorraine

>>>>

>>>> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

>>>> HERBS AND HELPERS

>>>> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

>>>> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

>>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

>>>> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

>>>> www.herbalmedicineuk.com

>>>>

>>>>> Hello there,

>>>>>

>>>>> I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what

>>>>> practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less

>>>>> myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their

>>>>> understanding.

>>>>>

>>>>> thanks,

>>>>>

>>>>> Guy Waddell

>>>>>

>>>>

May 3, 2011

Hi,

It is good that people cannot lie on the webpages or the internet.

Chemotherapy is effective against cancer.

Vaccination is a safe and effective method of improving immunity against

disease.

Oh no, there I go again - pants on fire!

Regards

Gascoigne

>

> Do take a look at the current NIMH leaflet!

>

> Lorraine

>

> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

> HERBS AND HELPERS

> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

>

> On 3 May 2011, at 09:20, Chenery <pc@...

> <mailto:pc%40rutlandbio.com>> wrote:

>

> > Oops, sorry for misinterpretation, Guy.......I think the only

> changes that

> > occurred in March are that UK general advertising law (i.e. what was

> legal

> > to say in print) has now been extended to websites and the internet in

> > general. Interestingly perhaps, it therefore also extends to

> truthfulness on

> > this ukherbal-list (assuming it's hosted in the UK); I just think it's

> > rather strange that it didn't do so previously!

> >

> > On 2 May 2011 23:22, Guy Waddell <guy.waddell@...

> <mailto:guy.waddell%40virgin.net>> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> Hello ,

> >>

> >> It was the ASA that I was referring too. I should have been more

> >> specific.

> >>

> >> best wishes,

> >>

> >> Guy

> >>

> >>> Ah are you referring to the new on-line advertising affecting all

> >>> internet

> >>> users in the UK, rather than practitioners specifically?

> >>>

> >>> It was rather amazing that actually it was not illegal to lie on UK

> >>> web-sites, before March this year whereas now it is.

> >>>

> >>> Hopefully that makes no difference at all to herbal practitioners

> >>> advertising, but should help them get more truthful information

> >>> when they

> >>> search the net of UK websites.

> >>>

> >>> If you spot a false or untrue claim on a UK website, you can now

> >>> tell ASA

> >>> who have pretty strong power to expose such things.

> >>>

> >>> I thought Guy's enquiry was about things like:

> >>>

> >>> the claim to 'cure' rather than to 'treat';

> >>> the diseases which it is not legal to treat:

> >>> claims about personal competences etc.

> >>>

> >>> Some of that is, I think, statute law and some of it is just

> >>> controlled by

> >>> professional standards (for example, but not exclusively, NIMH's

> >>> code of

> >>> professional conduct).

> >>>

> >>> Just for clarity, is that what you were asking about Guy?

> >>>

> >>> Kind regards to all,

> >>>

> >>> paul

> >>>

> >>> On 2 May 2011 12:08, Herbs and Helpers

> >>> <herbsandhelpers@...

> <mailto:herbsandhelpers%40googlemail.com>>wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Hi Guy,

> >>>> You need to take a look at the ASA CAP guidelines published in

> >>>> March this

> >>>> lays down very clearly what may and may not be said.

> >>>>

> >>>> Lorraine

> >>>>

> >>>> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

> >>>> HERBS AND HELPERS

> >>>> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

> >>>> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

> >>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

> >>>> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> >>>> www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> >>>>

> >>>> On 30 Apr 2011, at 15:56, Guy Waddell <guy.waddell@...

> <mailto:guy.waddell%40virgin.net>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> Hello there,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what

> >>>>> practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less

> >>>>> myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their

> >>>>> understanding.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> thanks,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Guy Waddell

> >>>>>

> >>>>

May 3, 2011

Dear , the truthfulness principle applies only to advertising - if you are

not trying to sell anything you can say whatever you want - this is so called

" editorial content " . Communications between professionals do not come under ASA

remit either (so you can say whatever you want on this list...). But any

marketing within social networks (facebook etc) has to follow CAP rules. I

really cannot see how they can police that...Cheers

> >>

> >>> Hello there,

> >>>

> >>> I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what

> >>> practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less

> >>> myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their

> >>> understanding.

> >>>

> >>> thanks,

> >>>

> >>> Guy Waddell

> >>>

> >>

May 4, 2011

The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine and

the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html

Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, this

article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

May 4, 2011

Hi , that really is interesting. It really is a parallel world out

there, over the pond! So it seems that you have exactly the same issues and

prejudices to cope with, but its important for UK readers to understand that

Berger's defense would not be applicable over here because the details

of our law and their mechanics are so completely different. Here we can

diagnose and prescribe, but not for all conditions or medicines and only

under defined conditions. That's been the case since 1973 but not a lot of

people know that!. Chenery.

> The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine

and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html

>

> Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States,

this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

>

May 4, 2011

Hello ,

The ASA CAP guidelines specifically exclude us from saying we

can 'diagnose' unless we are healthcare professionals which we are not.

Lorraine

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> Hi , that really is interesting. It really is a parallel world out

> there, over the pond! So it seems that you have exactly the same issues and

> prejudices to cope with, but its important for UK readers to understand that

> Berger's defense would not be applicable over here because the details

> of our law and their mechanics are so completely different. Here we can

> diagnose and prescribe, but not for all conditions or medicines and only

> under defined conditions. That's been the case since 1973 but not a lot of

> people know that!. Chenery.

>

> > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine

> and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

> >

> > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States,

> this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

> >

May 4, 2011

I thought I was a healthcare professional....

Â MaggieÂ

> > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine

> and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

> www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> >

> > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States,

> this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

> >

May 4, 2011

So when and how did our 'right to diagnose' that I understood we had get taken

away??? Anyone know? :-/ it's a job in itself keeping up with this!!!

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 May 2011, at 08:42, Herbs and Helpers

wrote:

> Hello ,

> The ASA CAP guidelines specifically exclude us from saying we can 'diagnose'

unless we are healthcare professionals which we are not.

>

> Lorraine

>

> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

> HERBS AND HELPERS

> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

>

> > Hi , that really is interesting. It really is a parallel world out

> > there, over the pond! So it seems that you have exactly the same issues and

> > prejudices to cope with, but its important for UK readers to understand that

> > Berger's defense would not be applicable over here because the details

> > of our law and their mechanics are so completely different. Here we can

> > diagnose and prescribe, but not for all conditions or medicines and only

> > under defined conditions. That's been the case since 1973 but not a lot of

> > people know that!. Chenery.

> >

> > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine

> > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

> > >

> > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States,

> > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

> > >

May 4, 2011

Yes I too remember being taught that one of the things that distinguishes us as

herbalists from other CAM therapists is that we CAN diagnose.

Â

Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH

Medical Herbalist

www.holisticherbal.co.uk

020 8948 2140 (h)

07855 783255 (mob)

________________________________

To: ukherbal-list

Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011, 10:40

Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists

Â

I thought I was a healthcare professional....

Â MaggieÂ

> > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine

> and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

> >

> > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States,

> this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

> >

May 4, 2011

yes, my understanding too !!

Â

Lynda BSc(Hons) MNIMH

Medical Herbalist & Allergy Testing

Â

Direct Lines:Â Â Â Â Â Â 01303 242838

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 07878 165440

Â

Clinics at Folkestone and Maidstone

www.lyndajoneskent.co.uk

________________________________

To: " ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list >

Sent: Wed, 4 May, 2011 10:57:58

Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists

Â

Yes I too remember being taught that one of the things that distinguishes us as

herbalists from other CAM therapists is that we CAN diagnose.

Â

Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH

Medical Herbalist

www.holisticherbal.co.uk

020 8948 2140 (h)

07855 783255 (mob)

________________________________

To: ukherbal-list

Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011, 10:40

Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists

Â

I thought I was a healthcare professional....

Â MaggieÂ

> > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine

> and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

> >

> > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States,

> this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

> >

May 4, 2011

Please read the guidelines yourself you are not allowed to say in print/website

that you can diagnose unless you are a healthcare professional

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> So when and how did our 'right to diagnose' that I understood we had get taken

away??? Anyone know? :-/ it's a job in itself keeping up with this!!!

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On 4 May 2011, at 08:42, Herbs and Helpers

wrote:

>

> > Hello ,

> > The ASA CAP guidelines specifically exclude us from saying we can 'diagnose'

unless we are healthcare professionals which we are not.

> >

> > Lorraine

> >

> > Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

> > HERBS AND HELPERS

> > 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

> > Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

> > Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

> > Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> > www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> >

> > > Hi , that really is interesting. It really is a parallel world out

> > > there, over the pond! So it seems that you have exactly the same issues

and

> > > prejudices to cope with, but its important for UK readers to understand

that

> > > Berger's defense would not be applicable over here because the

details

> > > of our law and their mechanics are so completely different. Here we can

> > > diagnose and prescribe, but not for all conditions or medicines and only

> > > under defined conditions. That's been the case since 1973 but not a lot of

> > > people know that!. Chenery.

> > >

> > > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal

medicine

> > > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

> > > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html

> > > >

> > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the

States,

> > > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

> > > >

May 4, 2011

This is about what the ASA CAP guidelines say we can say in print/website please

dint take out of this context.

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> www.holisticherbal.co.uk

> Yes I too remember being taught that one of the things that distinguishes us

as herbalists from other CAM therapists is that we CAN diagnose.

>

> Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH

> Medical Herbalist

> 020 8948 2140 (h)

> 07855 783255 (mob)

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: ukherbal-list

> Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011, 10:40

> Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists

>

> I thought I was a healthcare professional....

>

> Maggie

>

> > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine

>

> > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

>

>

> > >

>

> > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States,

>

> > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

May 4, 2011

Please remember it's what the ASA CAP guidelines say what we can advertise about

what we do in print/website.

You can verbally tell someone but unless you're a healthcare professional you

can't say so in print/website that you diagnose.

Can you please read the guidelines so we are all singing from the same hymn

sheet please.

Lorraine

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> www.lyndajoneskent.co.uk

> yes, my understanding too !!

>

> Lynda BSc(Hons) MNIMH

> Medical Herbalist & Allergy Testing

>

> Direct Lines: 01303 242838

> 07878 165440

>

> Clinics at Folkestone and Maidstone

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list >

> Sent: Wed, 4 May, 2011 10:57:58

> Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists

>

> Yes I too remember being taught that one of the things that distinguishes us

as

> herbalists from other CAM therapists is that we CAN diagnose.

>

> Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH

> Medical Herbalist

> www.holisticherbal.co.uk

> 020 8948 2140 (h)

> 07855 783255 (mob)

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: ukherbal-list

> Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011, 10:40

> Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists

>

> I thought I was a healthcare professional....

>

> Maggie

>

> > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine

>

> > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

>

>

> > >

>

> > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States,

>

> > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

May 4, 2011

Dear Lynda,You have the right to diagnose, you just cannot advertise it! If you

do, it would contravene the CAP code (ie you would be discouraging people from

seeing a recognised health care professional. We are no different from any other

CAM professionals and these rules are not new, they just came into the limelight

because they now apply to the internet marketing.Cheers

> > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine

> > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

> > >

> > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States,

> > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

> > >

May 4, 2011

Not a formally recognised one by the MHRA, only doctors or professions belonging

to HPC count.Â

> > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine

> and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

> >

> > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States,

> this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

> >

May 4, 2011

ASA is not a professional regulator; it is the Advertising Standards

Authority but does support " competent authorities " such as the medicines

regulator in the area of advertising.

I don't think the ASA has the remit to decide what we can and can't say

professionallyt (i.e. within the bounds of our genuine professional

competence), but its remit is to prevent advertising dishonestly. This was

recently extended to the medium of the internet.

Professional claims are a different legal area.

The old NIMH education course, as picked up and taught by the former Sch of

Phytotherapy, taught and examined modules called " Medicine " and

" Differential Diagnosis " and all sorts of similar topics, as well as one

called " Law and Ethics " . I believe that it was carefully and correctly

formulated - or else most of the herbalists about to be SR'd were wrongly

informed about all sorts of things.

paul

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> I thought I was a healthcare professional....

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> Maggie

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> > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal

> medicine

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> > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

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>> http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html

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> > >

>

> > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the

> States,

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> > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

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May 4, 2011

I am a healthcare professional, with a government stated intention to

regulate me.

Gosh, this is like Spartacus!

Sally Owen

> I thought I was a healthcare professional....

>

> Maggie

>

>>> The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine

>> and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

>>> Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States,

>> this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

>>>

May 4, 2011

Goodness I hope not. I saw that film and it did not end well for

Spartacus.......

Regards

>

> I am a healthcare professional, with a government stated intention to

> regulate me.

>

> Gosh, this is like Spartacus!

>

> Sally Owen

>

> > I thought I was a healthcare professional....

> >

> > Maggie

> >

> >>> The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal

> medicine

> >> and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today:

> >> http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html

> >>> Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the

> States,

> >> this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us.

> >>>

May 4, 2011

Sally, Maggie

You are indeed healthcare professionals. No need for Spartacus, or anyone else

to be crucified.

What everyone needs to do is look at what the code actually says - pasted below.

Especially re diagnosis - it is mostly about self-diagnosis and not referring

when necessary. Knowing when to refer is a basic competence in any profession -

same would be true for GPs, nurses, osteopaths and so on. Rule 12.2

For healthcare professional read second para of Rule 12.2

That is the very definition of a member of a professional association such as

NIMH.

Qualification recognised by accreditation, indemnity insurance, CPD and reviews,

complaints and disciplinary procedures.

Hopefully that clears that up.

http://www.cap.org.uk/The-Codes/CAP-Code/CAP-Code-pdf-versions.aspx

You need Section 12 which looks at medicines, health etc.

12.2 Marketers must not discourage essential treatment for conditions for which

medical

supervision should be sought. For example, they must not offer specific advice

on,

diagnosis of or treatment for such conditions unless that advice, diagnosis or

treatment is

conducted under the supervision of a suitably qualified health professional.

Accurate and

responsible general information about such conditions may, however, be offered.

(See

rule 12.11.)

Health professionals will be deemed suitably qualified only if they can provide

suitable

credentials; for example, evidence of: relevant professional expertise or

qualifications;

systems for regular review of members' skills and competencies and suitable

professional

indemnity insurance covering all services provided; accreditation by a

professional or

regulatory body that has systems for dealing with complaints and taking

disciplinary

action and has registration based on minimum standards for training and

qualifications.

May 4, 2011

The current NIMH leaflet mentions diagnosis! Can you believe that!

Lorraine

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