Guest guest Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Hi Guy, I think that nothing has changed - yet - although it would be worth keeping abreast of the subject as and when SR finally happens. But it might be worth drawing attention to is that much of UK professional practise has evolved, without a great deal of care to the detail of existing law. It was able to get away with this because starting from a tiny base 20 years ago it had more or less escaped any attention. As herbal medicine happily achieved increasing interest recently, so unsurprisingly more attention is now focussed on the professional practise of herbal medicine. So perhaps back to those type-written notes somewhere towards the end of the undergraduate course, called " Law " . > > > Hello there, > > I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what > practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less > myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their > understanding. > > thanks, > > Guy Waddell > > > -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QP Director, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers and Department of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UK Email: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.com Confidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Hi Guy, You need to take a look at the ASA CAP guidelines published in March this lays down very clearly what may and may not be said. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Hello there, > > I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what > practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less > myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their > understanding. > > thanks, > > Guy Waddell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Ah are you referring to the new on-line advertising affecting all internet users in the UK, rather than practitioners specifically? It was rather amazing that actually it was not illegal to lie on UK web-sites, before March this year whereas now it is. Hopefully that makes no difference at all to herbal practitioners advertising, but should help them get more truthful information when they search the net of UK websites. If you spot a false or untrue claim on a UK website, you can now tell ASA who have pretty strong power to expose such things. I thought Guy's enquiry was about things like: the claim to 'cure' rather than to 'treat'; the diseases which it is not legal to treat: claims about personal competences etc. Some of that is, I think, statute law and some of it is just controlled by professional standards (for example, but not exclusively, NIMH's code of professional conduct). Just for clarity, is that what you were asking about Guy? Kind regards to all, paul On 2 May 2011 12:08, Herbs and Helpers wrote: > > > Hi Guy, > You need to take a look at the ASA CAP guidelines published in March this > lays down very clearly what may and may not be said. > > Lorraine > > Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > HERBS AND HELPERS > 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > www.herbalmedicineuk.com > > > > > Hello there, > > > > I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what > > practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less > > myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their > > understanding. > > > > thanks, > > > > Guy Waddell > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Hello , It was the ASA that I was referring too. I should have been more specific. best wishes, Guy > Ah are you referring to the new on-line advertising affecting all > internet > users in the UK, rather than practitioners specifically? > > It was rather amazing that actually it was not illegal to lie on UK > web-sites, before March this year whereas now it is. > > Hopefully that makes no difference at all to herbal practitioners > advertising, but should help them get more truthful information > when they > search the net of UK websites. > > If you spot a false or untrue claim on a UK website, you can now > tell ASA > who have pretty strong power to expose such things. > > I thought Guy's enquiry was about things like: > > the claim to 'cure' rather than to 'treat'; > the diseases which it is not legal to treat: > claims about personal competences etc. > > Some of that is, I think, statute law and some of it is just > controlled by > professional standards (for example, but not exclusively, NIMH's > code of > professional conduct). > > Just for clarity, is that what you were asking about Guy? > > Kind regards to all, > > paul > > On 2 May 2011 12:08, Herbs and Helpers > wrote: > >> >> >> Hi Guy, >> You need to take a look at the ASA CAP guidelines published in >> March this >> lays down very clearly what may and may not be said. >> >> Lorraine >> >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM >> HERBS AND HELPERS >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com >> >> >> >>> Hello there, >>> >>> I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what >>> practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less >>> myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their >>> understanding. >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> Guy Waddell >>> >>> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Oops, sorry for misinterpretation, Guy.......I think the only changes that occurred in March are that UK general advertising law (i.e. what was legal to say in print) has now been extended to websites and the internet in general. Interestingly perhaps, it therefore also extends to truthfulness on this ukherbal-list (assuming it's hosted in the UK); I just think it's rather strange that it didn't do so previously! > > > Hello , > > It was the ASA that I was referring too. I should have been more > specific. > > best wishes, > > Guy > > > > > > Ah are you referring to the new on-line advertising affecting all > > internet > > users in the UK, rather than practitioners specifically? > > > > It was rather amazing that actually it was not illegal to lie on UK > > web-sites, before March this year whereas now it is. > > > > Hopefully that makes no difference at all to herbal practitioners > > advertising, but should help them get more truthful information > > when they > > search the net of UK websites. > > > > If you spot a false or untrue claim on a UK website, you can now > > tell ASA > > who have pretty strong power to expose such things. > > > > I thought Guy's enquiry was about things like: > > > > the claim to 'cure' rather than to 'treat'; > > the diseases which it is not legal to treat: > > claims about personal competences etc. > > > > Some of that is, I think, statute law and some of it is just > > controlled by > > professional standards (for example, but not exclusively, NIMH's > > code of > > professional conduct). > > > > Just for clarity, is that what you were asking about Guy? > > > > Kind regards to all, > > > > paul > > > > On 2 May 2011 12:08, Herbs and Helpers > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hi Guy, > >> You need to take a look at the ASA CAP guidelines published in > >> March this > >> lays down very clearly what may and may not be said. > >> > >> Lorraine > >> > >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > >> HERBS AND HELPERS > >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com > >> > >> > >> > >>> Hello there, > >>> > >>> I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what > >>> practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less > >>> myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their > >>> understanding. > >>> > >>> thanks, > >>> > >>> Guy Waddell > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Do take a look at the current NIMH leaflet! Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Oops, sorry for misinterpretation, Guy.......I think the only changes that > occurred in March are that UK general advertising law (i.e. what was legal > to say in print) has now been extended to websites and the internet in > general. Interestingly perhaps, it therefore also extends to truthfulness on > this ukherbal-list (assuming it's hosted in the UK); I just think it's > rather strange that it didn't do so previously! > > > > > >> >> >> Hello , >> >> It was the ASA that I was referring too. I should have been more >> specific. >> >> best wishes, >> >> Guy >> >> >> >> >>> Ah are you referring to the new on-line advertising affecting all >>> internet >>> users in the UK, rather than practitioners specifically? >>> >>> It was rather amazing that actually it was not illegal to lie on UK >>> web-sites, before March this year whereas now it is. >>> >>> Hopefully that makes no difference at all to herbal practitioners >>> advertising, but should help them get more truthful information >>> when they >>> search the net of UK websites. >>> >>> If you spot a false or untrue claim on a UK website, you can now >>> tell ASA >>> who have pretty strong power to expose such things. >>> >>> I thought Guy's enquiry was about things like: >>> >>> the claim to 'cure' rather than to 'treat'; >>> the diseases which it is not legal to treat: >>> claims about personal competences etc. >>> >>> Some of that is, I think, statute law and some of it is just >>> controlled by >>> professional standards (for example, but not exclusively, NIMH's >>> code of >>> professional conduct). >>> >>> Just for clarity, is that what you were asking about Guy? >>> >>> Kind regards to all, >>> >>> paul >>> >>> On 2 May 2011 12:08, Herbs and Helpers >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Guy, >>>> You need to take a look at the ASA CAP guidelines published in >>>> March this >>>> lays down very clearly what may and may not be said. >>>> >>>> Lorraine >>>> >>>> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM >>>> HERBS AND HELPERS >>>> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, >>>> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. >>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 >>>> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) >>>> www.herbalmedicineuk.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello there, >>>>> >>>>> I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what >>>>> practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less >>>>> myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their >>>>> understanding. >>>>> >>>>> thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Guy Waddell >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Hi, It is good that people cannot lie on the webpages or the internet. Chemotherapy is effective against cancer. Vaccination is a safe and effective method of improving immunity against disease. Oh no, there I go again - pants on fire! Regards Gascoigne > > Do take a look at the current NIMH leaflet! > > Lorraine > > Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > HERBS AND HELPERS > 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > www.herbalmedicineuk.com > > On 3 May 2011, at 09:20, Chenery <pc@... > <mailto:pc%40rutlandbio.com>> wrote: > > > Oops, sorry for misinterpretation, Guy.......I think the only > changes that > > occurred in March are that UK general advertising law (i.e. what was > legal > > to say in print) has now been extended to websites and the internet in > > general. Interestingly perhaps, it therefore also extends to > truthfulness on > > this ukherbal-list (assuming it's hosted in the UK); I just think it's > > rather strange that it didn't do so previously! > > > > > > > > On 2 May 2011 23:22, Guy Waddell <guy.waddell@... > <mailto:guy.waddell%40virgin.net>> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hello , > >> > >> It was the ASA that I was referring too. I should have been more > >> specific. > >> > >> best wishes, > >> > >> Guy > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Ah are you referring to the new on-line advertising affecting all > >>> internet > >>> users in the UK, rather than practitioners specifically? > >>> > >>> It was rather amazing that actually it was not illegal to lie on UK > >>> web-sites, before March this year whereas now it is. > >>> > >>> Hopefully that makes no difference at all to herbal practitioners > >>> advertising, but should help them get more truthful information > >>> when they > >>> search the net of UK websites. > >>> > >>> If you spot a false or untrue claim on a UK website, you can now > >>> tell ASA > >>> who have pretty strong power to expose such things. > >>> > >>> I thought Guy's enquiry was about things like: > >>> > >>> the claim to 'cure' rather than to 'treat'; > >>> the diseases which it is not legal to treat: > >>> claims about personal competences etc. > >>> > >>> Some of that is, I think, statute law and some of it is just > >>> controlled by > >>> professional standards (for example, but not exclusively, NIMH's > >>> code of > >>> professional conduct). > >>> > >>> Just for clarity, is that what you were asking about Guy? > >>> > >>> Kind regards to all, > >>> > >>> paul > >>> > >>> On 2 May 2011 12:08, Herbs and Helpers > >>> <herbsandhelpers@... > <mailto:herbsandhelpers%40googlemail.com>>wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi Guy, > >>>> You need to take a look at the ASA CAP guidelines published in > >>>> March this > >>>> lays down very clearly what may and may not be said. > >>>> > >>>> Lorraine > >>>> > >>>> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > >>>> HERBS AND HELPERS > >>>> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > >>>> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > >>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > >>>> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > >>>> www.herbalmedicineuk.com > >>>> > >>>> On 30 Apr 2011, at 15:56, Guy Waddell <guy.waddell@... > <mailto:guy.waddell%40virgin.net>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hello there, > >>>>> > >>>>> I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what > >>>>> practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less > >>>>> myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their > >>>>> understanding. > >>>>> > >>>>> thanks, > >>>>> > >>>>> Guy Waddell > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 Dear , the truthfulness principle applies only to advertising - if you are not trying to sell anything you can say whatever you want - this is so called " editorial content " . Communications between professionals do not come under ASA remit either (so you can say whatever you want on this list...). But any marketing within social networks (facebook etc) has to follow CAP rules. I really cannot see how they can police that...Cheers > >> > >>> Hello there, > >>> > >>> I have rather taken my eye off the ball re recent changes in what > >>> practitioners can and cannot say in advertising. If anyone is less > >>> myopic than me I would be grateful if they could share their > >>> understanding. > >>> > >>> thanks, > >>> > >>> Guy Waddell > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Hi , that really is interesting. It really is a parallel world out there, over the pond! So it seems that you have exactly the same issues and prejudices to cope with, but its important for UK readers to understand that Berger's defense would not be applicable over here because the details of our law and their mechanics are so completely different. Here we can diagnose and prescribe, but not for all conditions or medicines and only under defined conditions. That's been the case since 1973 but not a lot of people know that!. Chenery. > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Hello , The ASA CAP guidelines specifically exclude us from saying we can 'diagnose' unless we are healthcare professionals which we are not. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Hi , that really is interesting. It really is a parallel world out > there, over the pond! So it seems that you have exactly the same issues and > prejudices to cope with, but its important for UK readers to understand that > Berger's defense would not be applicable over here because the details > of our law and their mechanics are so completely different. Here we can > diagnose and prescribe, but not for all conditions or medicines and only > under defined conditions. That's been the case since 1973 but not a lot of > people know that!. Chenery. > > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 I thought I was a healthcare professional....  Maggie > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 So when and how did our 'right to diagnose' that I understood we had get taken away??? Anyone know? :-/ it's a job in itself keeping up with this!!! Sent from my iPhone On 4 May 2011, at 08:42, Herbs and Helpers wrote: > Hello , > The ASA CAP guidelines specifically exclude us from saying we can 'diagnose' unless we are healthcare professionals which we are not. > > Lorraine > > Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > HERBS AND HELPERS > 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > www.herbalmedicineuk.com > > > > > Hi , that really is interesting. It really is a parallel world out > > there, over the pond! So it seems that you have exactly the same issues and > > prejudices to cope with, but its important for UK readers to understand that > > Berger's defense would not be applicable over here because the details > > of our law and their mechanics are so completely different. Here we can > > diagnose and prescribe, but not for all conditions or medicines and only > > under defined conditions. That's been the case since 1973 but not a lot of > > people know that!. Chenery. > > > > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine > > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, > > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Yes I too remember being taught that one of the things that distinguishes us as herbalists from other CAM therapists is that we CAN diagnose.  Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH Medical Herbalist www.holisticherbal.co.uk 020 8948 2140 (h) 07855 783255 (mob) ________________________________ To: ukherbal-list Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011, 10:40 Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists  I thought I was a healthcare professional....  Maggie > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 yes, my understanding too !!  Lynda BSc(Hons) MNIMH Medical Herbalist & Allergy Testing  Direct Lines:      01303 242838               07878 165440  Clinics at Folkestone and Maidstone www.lyndajoneskent.co.uk ________________________________ To: " ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list > Sent: Wed, 4 May, 2011 10:57:58 Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists  Yes I too remember being taught that one of the things that distinguishes us as herbalists from other CAM therapists is that we CAN diagnose.  Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH Medical Herbalist www.holisticherbal.co.uk 020 8948 2140 (h) 07855 783255 (mob) ________________________________ To: ukherbal-list Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011, 10:40 Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists  I thought I was a healthcare professional....  Maggie > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Please read the guidelines yourself you are not allowed to say in print/website that you can diagnose unless you are a healthcare professional Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > So when and how did our 'right to diagnose' that I understood we had get taken away??? Anyone know? :-/ it's a job in itself keeping up with this!!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 4 May 2011, at 08:42, Herbs and Helpers wrote: > > > Hello , > > The ASA CAP guidelines specifically exclude us from saying we can 'diagnose' unless we are healthcare professionals which we are not. > > > > Lorraine > > > > Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > > HERBS AND HELPERS > > 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > > Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > > Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > > Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > > www.herbalmedicineuk.com > > > > > > > > > Hi , that really is interesting. It really is a parallel world out > > > there, over the pond! So it seems that you have exactly the same issues and > > > prejudices to cope with, but its important for UK readers to understand that > > > Berger's defense would not be applicable over here because the details > > > of our law and their mechanics are so completely different. Here we can > > > diagnose and prescribe, but not for all conditions or medicines and only > > > under defined conditions. That's been the case since 1973 but not a lot of > > > people know that!. Chenery. > > > > > > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine > > > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > > > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, > > > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 This is about what the ASA CAP guidelines say we can say in print/website please dint take out of this context. Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Yes I too remember being taught that one of the things that distinguishes us as herbalists from other CAM therapists is that we CAN diagnose. > > Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH > Medical Herbalist > www.holisticherbal.co.uk > 020 8948 2140 (h) > 07855 783255 (mob) > > ________________________________ > > To: ukherbal-list > Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011, 10:40 > Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists > > > I thought I was a healthcare professional.... > > Maggie > > > > > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine > > > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > > > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, > > > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Please remember it's what the ASA CAP guidelines say what we can advertise about what we do in print/website. You can verbally tell someone but unless you're a healthcare professional you can't say so in print/website that you diagnose. Can you please read the guidelines so we are all singing from the same hymn sheet please. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > yes, my understanding too !! > > Lynda BSc(Hons) MNIMH > Medical Herbalist & Allergy Testing > > Direct Lines: 01303 242838 > 07878 165440 > > Clinics at Folkestone and Maidstone > www.lyndajoneskent.co.uk > > ________________________________ > > To: " ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list > > Sent: Wed, 4 May, 2011 10:57:58 > Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists > > > Yes I too remember being taught that one of the things that distinguishes us as > herbalists from other CAM therapists is that we CAN diagnose. > > Frances E MBHMA, MNIMH > Medical Herbalist > www.holisticherbal.co.uk > 020 8948 2140 (h) > 07855 783255 (mob) > > ________________________________ > > To: ukherbal-list > Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011, 10:40 > Subject: Re: advertising and herbalists > > > I thought I was a healthcare professional.... > > Maggie > > > > > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine > > > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > > > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, > > > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Dear Lynda,You have the right to diagnose, you just cannot advertise it! If you do, it would contravene the CAP code (ie you would be discouraging people from seeing a recognised health care professional. We are no different from any other CAM professionals and these rules are not new, they just came into the limelight because they now apply to the internet marketing.Cheers > > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine > > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, > > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Not a formally recognised one by the MHRA, only doctors or professions belonging to HPC count. > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 ASA is not a professional regulator; it is the Advertising Standards Authority but does support " competent authorities " such as the medicines regulator in the area of advertising. I don't think the ASA has the remit to decide what we can and can't say professionallyt (i.e. within the bounds of our genuine professional competence), but its remit is to prevent advertising dishonestly. This was recently extended to the medium of the internet. Professional claims are a different legal area. The old NIMH education course, as picked up and taught by the former Sch of Phytotherapy, taught and examined modules called " Medicine " and " Differential Diagnosis " and all sorts of similar topics, as well as one called " Law and Ethics " . I believe that it was carefully and correctly formulated - or else most of the herbalists about to be SR'd were wrongly informed about all sorts of things. paul > > > I thought I was a healthcare professional.... > > Maggie > > > > > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal > medicine > > > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > > > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the > States, > > > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 I am a healthcare professional, with a government stated intention to regulate me. Gosh, this is like Spartacus! Sally Owen > I thought I was a healthcare professional.... > > Maggie > > > >>> The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine >> and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: >> http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html >>> Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, >> this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Goodness I hope not. I saw that film and it did not end well for Spartacus....... Regards > > I am a healthcare professional, with a government stated intention to > regulate me. > > Gosh, this is like Spartacus! > > Sally Owen > > > > I thought I was a healthcare professional.... > > > > Maggie > > > > > > > >>> The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal > medicine > >> and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > >> http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > >>> Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the > States, > >> this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Sally, Maggie You are indeed healthcare professionals. No need for Spartacus, or anyone else to be crucified. What everyone needs to do is look at what the code actually says - pasted below. Especially re diagnosis - it is mostly about self-diagnosis and not referring when necessary. Knowing when to refer is a basic competence in any profession - same would be true for GPs, nurses, osteopaths and so on. Rule 12.2 For healthcare professional read second para of Rule 12.2 That is the very definition of a member of a professional association such as NIMH. Qualification recognised by accreditation, indemnity insurance, CPD and reviews, complaints and disciplinary procedures. Hopefully that clears that up. http://www.cap.org.uk/The-Codes/CAP-Code/CAP-Code-pdf-versions.aspx You need Section 12 which looks at medicines, health etc. 12.2 Marketers must not discourage essential treatment for conditions for which medical supervision should be sought. For example, they must not offer specific advice on, diagnosis of or treatment for such conditions unless that advice, diagnosis or treatment is conducted under the supervision of a suitably qualified health professional. Accurate and responsible general information about such conditions may, however, be offered. (See rule 12.11.) Health professionals will be deemed suitably qualified only if they can provide suitable credentials; for example, evidence of: relevant professional expertise or qualifications; systems for regular review of members' skills and competencies and suitable professional indemnity insurance covering all services provided; accreditation by a professional or regulatory body that has systems for dealing with complaints and taking disciplinary action and has registration based on minimum standards for training and qualifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 The current NIMH leaflet mentions diagnosis! Can you believe that! Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Dear Lynda,You have the right to diagnose, you just cannot advertise it! If you do, it would contravene the CAP code (ie you would be discouraging people from seeing a recognised health care professional. We are no different from any other CAM professionals and these rules are not new, they just came into the limelight because they now apply to the internet marketing.Cheers > > > > > > > The following, really interesting article on Promotion of herbal medicine > > > > and the law in the US, appeared on the [herb] list today: > > > > http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html > > > > > > > > > > Although villification of herbalists is even more draconian in the States, > > > > this article contains some useful wording and ideas for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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