Re: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

[Guest guest]

Oh, a yam is a sweet potato type of food. Not too much difference between

yam and sweet potato I don¹t think. But I get them in the grocery store or

health food store veggie section. wonderful tasting. We have them

sometimes with honey for thanks giving. But I can¹t eat the honey but my

kids love that. Honey, some nuts, a little butter. You cook them like a

baked potato because they are very very difficult to skin raw. After they

are baked around an hour usually cuz they are mostly big in size, then I

peel them, and either cut them up for soup, or I mash them up for dinner.

They are carbs though but nothing like a white potato. White potatoe will

surge your insulin. But if you are trying to be in ketosis then I would

cook the sweet potato and cut it into 1/3 or 1/4 and eat 1/4 per day. Then,

you can stay in ketosis. I believe. But anyhow, in the winter months this

is a life saver and even if not in ketosis you will not be eating carbs and

sugars to keep your warmth. In chinese medicine getting too cold creates

dampness and then you suffer various problems, so stay warm with soup.

>

>

>

>

> Please tell me what a Yams and where would i get these

>  

> joanne

>

>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Jill <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com

<mailto:gray04red%

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 40yahoo.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re: PTSD and

Obsessive thinking

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 5:44 PM

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I have had and still have PTSD. I was abused as

a child,

> developed

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> amnesia,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > then when an adult regained it. As an adult, I

also

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experienced abuse.

>> > I >>

>>>> >> > had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Dissociative Identity Disorder with this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The process of healing from the childhood abuse

took around

> 10 years,

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > much shorter than usual. I used a lot of prayer,

a lot of

> positive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > auto-hypnosis tapes and therapy and worked most

days on the

> memories.

>> > Each

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > person in the group of personalities had to

process their

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> abuse. Then

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> I had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > work on merging and eliminating them when the

healing (which

> did

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> include

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> true

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > forgiveness) was complete for each smaller

group.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The memories would come spontaneously, and so I

was in a high

> stress

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> situation

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > of great fear from reliving the abuse. So, I

ended up with

> adrenal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> problems,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > eating problems. Luckily, Grace of God, I was

sober and clean

> through

>> > most

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > it. I was sober but considered a flake and so

didn't have

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sponsorship,

>> > but

>>>> >> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > did the best I could with the 12 step program.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The carbohydrates and sugars I ate were a

comfort to me, but

> I have

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> damaged

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > body due to them.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > What I need and do is to keep trusting HP that

all these

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences

>> > will

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > serve a good purpose. That, as I move through

this life, I

> make the

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> choices

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > that allow me to love myself and others. That I

use the

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > compassion for everyone, not just people who are

like me.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Consciously choosing to be hopeful, choosing to

trust even if

> I don't

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> see a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > positive end yet, doing each day what I can do

to help myself

> and

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> allow HP

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > bring me the help I need is my challenge.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > My prayers and good wishes are for all of us.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Jill in TX

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > PTSD is Post traumatic stress

disorder. It is a

> psychological

>> > illness

>>>> >> > that

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develops following either very prolonged

stress or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> extreme trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> rape, witnessing a murder, being force

to kill

> somebody or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> something like

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that. Basically what happens is the mind

is unable to

> cope with

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and instead of taking the trauma through

its natural

> progress, i.e

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> denial,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anger, despair, frustration, blame,

guilt�etc to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> acceptance and

>> > moving

>>>> >> > on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> the mind gets trapped in the early

stages of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trauma response.

>> > It's a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> bit

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to explain. but basically the

person that is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering from

>> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> longs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to move to the acceptance stage but the

mind is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply unable to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> do this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and�basically loops in the earlier

stages going

> from anger,

>> > blame

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> guilt,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> frustration, denial, to frustration,

guilt, anger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> blame and on and

>> > on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> there

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is no respite from the nightmare and

this affects

> sleep, causes

>> > over

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> production of adrenaline, often cravings

for sugar,

> and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > individual

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > concerned, can end up binge eating.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > In my case this is what happened

and after years

> of this I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> started to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop the symptoms of Fibromyalgia,

fatigue,

> allergies,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> arthritic pain,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anxiety, Candida and so on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Often when i see doctors they are

keen to fix my

> physical

>> > symptoms

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> OK but so long as my mind is trapped in

the abuse, I

> am reliving

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> everyday and every day I am re- abusinf

my adrenals,

> my opancreas,

>> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> muscles

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> etc

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Now many people think people like

me a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> maligerers who should

>> > just snap

>>>> >> > out

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of it and stop feeling sorry for

ourselves. But the

> experiance of

>> > PTSD

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> not present itself in this fashion. The

victim wants

> and is trying

>> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> come to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> terms with the incidents, or in my case

the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> incidents, but she is

>> > unable

>>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> stop the mind looping and constantly

chatting on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about the cruelty

>> > of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> event.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > It is very much like the min is

percicuting me,

> blaming me

>> > for the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extreme

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> cruelty of another person. My mind says

you should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have done this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> and you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> should have done that and why did you

put up with it

> and look at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> you now

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> are so ill and you let this happen etc

etc. My mind

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> has difficulty

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> forgiving

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> me for not protecting myself and feels

responsibel

> for my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Fibromyalgia.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> It is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to fully explain this because on a

conscious

> level i know

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> this is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> not my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> fault and I know that at the time there

was nothing

> more i could

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>>

>>>> >> > done

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> about what went on, but part of me will

not accept

> this, and I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> torment

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to death.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > this is what I am refering to when

I discuss

> obsessive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thinking. There

>>>> >> > are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> treatments available, talking therapies,

tapping, eye

> movement etc

>> > and I

>>>> >> > do

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> work at these but occasionally my

obsessive thinking

> returns and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> when it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my symptoms of Fibromyalgia flare up

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > For instance if i see somebody

being severly

> attacked on TV

>> > this can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> trigger my PTSD or if somebody tells me

my illness is

> all in my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> head, >>>

>>>> >> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> can trigger me, or if people start going

on about how

> we should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> forgive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> our

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> enemies and if we die not forgiving them

we will go

> to hell, this

>> > can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trigger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I know to other people this thing

might sound

> pathetic but it

>> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extremely

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> difficult for me to deal with. i long

just to be

> normal and to

>> > have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> responses to things. Not to be crippled

just because

> something not

>> > nice

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> has

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> just happened.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I do believe my PTSD and

Fibromyalgia are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> separate illnesses.

>> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> believe my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> PTSD is triggering the Fibromyalgia. But

to cure the

> later I must

>> > first

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> overcome the PTSD. if i do not it will

not matter how

> many

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> medicines,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> creams,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> therapies for my Fibromyalgia I use it

will still be

> triggered by

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> madness

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that is going on inside of me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The good news is I am doing really

well with my

> PTSD and my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> Fibromyalgia is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> improving also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Kindest Regards

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

[Guest guest]

I like that maria. The Gift.

I had someone tell me once that when you are very tuned in spiritually you

get so much energy from that connection that sometimes your body needs to

rest afterwards. Interesting theory.

>

>

>

>

> But, of course, and only those that hold the Gift can understand it.

>

>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Jill <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com

<mailto:gray04red%

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 40yahoo.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re: PTSD and

Obsessive thinking

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 5:44 PM

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >  

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I have had and still have PTSD. I was abused as

a child,

> developed

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> amnesia,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > then when an adult regained it. As an adult, I

also

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experienced abuse.

>> > I >>

>>>> >> > had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Dissociative Identity Disorder with this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The process of healing from the childhood abuse

took around

> 10 years,

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > much shorter than usual. I used a lot of prayer,

a lot of

> positive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > auto-hypnosis tapes and therapy and worked most

days on the

> memories.

>> > Each

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > person in the group of personalities had to

process their

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> abuse. Then

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> I had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > work on merging and eliminating them when the

healing (which

> did

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> include

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> true

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > forgiveness) was complete for each smaller

group.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The memories would come spontaneously, and so I

was in a high

> stress

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> situation

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > of great fear from reliving the abuse. So, I

ended up with

> adrenal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> problems,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > eating problems. Luckily, Grace of God, I was

sober and clean

> through

>> > most

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > it. I was sober but considered a flake and so

didn't have

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sponsorship,

>> > but

>>>> >> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > did the best I could with the 12 step program.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The carbohydrates and sugars I ate were a

comfort to me, but

> I have

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> damaged

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > body due to them.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > What I need and do is to keep trusting HP that

all these

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences

>> > will

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > serve a good purpose. That, as I move through

this life, I

> make the

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> choices

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > that allow me to love myself and others. That I

use the

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > compassion for everyone, not just people who are

like me.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Consciously choosing to be hopeful, choosing to

trust even if

> I don't

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> see a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > positive end yet, doing each day what I can do

to help myself

> and

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> allow HP

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > bring me the help I need is my challenge.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > My prayers and good wishes are for all of us.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Jill in TX

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > PTSD is Post traumatic stress

disorder. It is a

> psychological

>> > illness

>>>> >> > that

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develops following either very prolonged

stress or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> extreme trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> rape, witnessing a murder, being force

to kill

> somebody or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> something like

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that. Basically what happens is the mind

is unable to

> cope with

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and instead of taking the trauma through

its natural

> progress, i.e

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> denial,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anger, despair, frustration, blame,

guilt�etc to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> acceptance and

>> > moving

>>>> >> > on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> the mind gets trapped in the early

stages of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trauma response.

>> > It's a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> bit

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to explain. but basically the

person that is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering from

>> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> longs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to move to the acceptance stage but the

mind is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply unable to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> do this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and�basically loops in the earlier

stages going

> from anger,

>> > blame

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> guilt,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> frustration, denial, to frustration,

guilt, anger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> blame and on and

>> > on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> there

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is no respite from the nightmare and

this affects

> sleep, causes

>> > over

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> production of adrenaline, often cravings

for sugar,

> and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > individual

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > concerned, can end up binge eating.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > In my case this is what happened

and after years

> of this I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> started to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop the symptoms of Fibromyalgia,

fatigue,

> allergies,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> arthritic pain,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anxiety, Candida and so on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Often when i see doctors they are

keen to fix my

> physical

>> > symptoms

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> OK but so long as my mind is trapped in

the abuse, I

> am reliving

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> everyday and every day I am re- abusinf

my adrenals,

> my opancreas,

>> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> muscles

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> etc

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Now many people think people like

me a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> maligerers who should

>> > just snap

>>>> >> > out

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of it and stop feeling sorry for

ourselves. But the

> experiance of

>> > PTSD

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> not present itself in this fashion. The

victim wants

> and is trying

>> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> come to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> terms with the incidents, or in my case

the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> incidents, but she is

>> > unable

>>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> stop the mind looping and constantly

chatting on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about the cruelty

>> > of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> event.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > It is very much like the min is

percicuting me,

> blaming me

>> > for the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extreme

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> cruelty of another person. My mind says

you should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have done this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> and you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> should have done that and why did you

put up with it

> and look at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> you now

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> are so ill and you let this happen etc

etc. My mind

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> has difficulty

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> forgiving

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> me for not protecting myself and feels

responsibel

> for my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Fibromyalgia.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> It is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to fully explain this because on a

conscious

> level i know

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> this is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> not my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> fault and I know that at the time there

was nothing

> more i could

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>>

>>>> >> > done

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> about what went on, but part of me will

not accept

> this, and I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> torment

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to death.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > this is what I am refering to when

I discuss

> obsessive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thinking. There

>>>> >> > are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> treatments available, talking therapies,

tapping, eye

> movement etc

>> > and I

>>>> >> > do

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> work at these but occasionally my

obsessive thinking

> returns and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> when it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my symptoms of Fibromyalgia flare up

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > For instance if i see somebody

being severly

> attacked on TV

>> > this can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> trigger my PTSD or if somebody tells me

my illness is

> all in my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> head, >>>

>>>> >> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> can trigger me, or if people start going

on about how

> we should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> forgive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> our

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> enemies and if we die not forgiving them

we will go

> to hell, this

>> > can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trigger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I know to other people this thing

might sound

> pathetic but it

>> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extremely

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> difficult for me to deal with. i long

just to be

> normal and to

>> > have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> responses to things. Not to be crippled

just because

> something not

>> > nice

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> has

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> just happened.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I do believe my PTSD and

Fibromyalgia are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> separate illnesses.

>> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> believe my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> PTSD is triggering the Fibromyalgia. But

to cure the

> later I must

>> > first

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> overcome the PTSD. if i do not it will

not matter how

> many

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> medicines,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> creams,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> therapies for my Fibromyalgia I use it

will still be

> triggered by

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> madness

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that is going on inside of me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The good news is I am doing really

well with my

> PTSD and my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> Fibromyalgia is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> improving also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Kindest Regards

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

[Guest guest]

You are succeeding at that my friend.

>

>

>

>

> When i was a child i was very different to my other family members. They were

> very money orientated and extremely selfish. I could not see this at the time

> and assumed that underneath they were like me. I spent many a long hour trying

> to get them to be more happy. Over the years this became a game to them and in

> a nut shell it became my job to prove to them what I was yacking on about was

> real. They brought to me the most terrible of drama's and I like a childish

> fool spent the best part of my time fixing the never ending stream of

> troubles. Over time this behaviour took its tole on me and I developed PTSD

> and later Fibromyalgia. Now that i am in recovery I can see that the reason

> why i became so poorly and they did not was because I was so sensitive to the

> suffering around me. My family did not share my compasion and actually enjyed

> seeing each other battered emotionally. It is hard to believe that some people

> are like this but they are. I was very

> naive and i thought none of them really meant to hurt each other and me. This

> was how I got hooked into so many dilemma's. Anyway I am away from all that

> and although my life is still a challenge. my husband has had a brain hemorage

> and i have two children that need my support, I have Fbromyalgia and so on,

> but now that I have turned my life over to God and deprend on him for

> everything. The Lord brings to me all i need including support and relief for

> this illness. I do believe everybody who has this illness can improve as long

> as they are willing to take small steps every day. I just hope some of the

> learning i have gained by the grace of God can be passed on

>  

> Love you all

>  

> Joanne

>

>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Jill <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com

<mailto:gray04red%

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 40yahoo.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re: PTSD and

Obsessive thinking

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 5:44 PM

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I have had and still have PTSD. I was abused as

a child,

> developed

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> amnesia,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > then when an adult regained it. As an adult, I

also

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experienced abuse.

>> > I >>

>>>> >> > had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Dissociative Identity Disorder with this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The process of healing from the childhood abuse

took around

> 10 years,

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > much shorter than usual. I used a lot of prayer,

a lot of

> positive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > auto-hypnosis tapes and therapy and worked most

days on the

> memories.

>> > Each

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > person in the group of personalities had to

process their

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> abuse. Then

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> I had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > work on merging and eliminating them when the

healing (which

> did

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> include

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> true

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > forgiveness) was complete for each smaller

group.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The memories would come spontaneously, and so I

was in a high

> stress

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> situation

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > of great fear from reliving the abuse. So, I

ended up with

> adrenal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> problems,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > eating problems. Luckily, Grace of God, I was

sober and clean

> through

>> > most

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > it. I was sober but considered a flake and so

didn't have

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sponsorship,

>> > but

>>>> >> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > did the best I could with the 12 step program.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The carbohydrates and sugars I ate were a

comfort to me, but

> I have

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> damaged

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > body due to them.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > What I need and do is to keep trusting HP that

all these

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences

>> > will

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > serve a good purpose. That, as I move through

this life, I

> make the

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> choices

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > that allow me to love myself and others. That I

use the

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > compassion for everyone, not just people who are

like me.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Consciously choosing to be hopeful, choosing to

trust even if

> I don't

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> see a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > positive end yet, doing each day what I can do

to help myself

> and

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> allow HP

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > bring me the help I need is my challenge.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > My prayers and good wishes are for all of us.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Jill in TX

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > PTSD is Post traumatic stress

disorder. It is a

> psychological

>> > illness

>>>> >> > that

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develops following either very prolonged

stress or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> extreme trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> rape, witnessing a murder, being force

to kill

> somebody or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> something like

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that. Basically what happens is the mind

is unable to

> cope with

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and instead of taking the trauma through

its natural

> progress, i.e

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> denial,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anger, despair, frustration, blame,

guilt�etc to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> acceptance and

>> > moving

>>>> >> > on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> the mind gets trapped in the early

stages of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trauma response.

>> > It's a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> bit

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to explain. but basically the

person that is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering from

>> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> longs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to move to the acceptance stage but the

mind is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply unable to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> do this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and�basically loops in the earlier

stages going

> from anger,

>> > blame

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> guilt,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> frustration, denial, to frustration,

guilt, anger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> blame and on and

>> > on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> there

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is no respite from the nightmare and

this affects

> sleep, causes

>> > over

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> production of adrenaline, often cravings

for sugar,

> and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > individual

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > concerned, can end up binge eating.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > In my case this is what happened

and after years

> of this I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> started to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop the symptoms of Fibromyalgia,

fatigue,

> allergies,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> arthritic pain,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anxiety, Candida and so on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Often when i see doctors they are

keen to fix my

> physical

>> > symptoms

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> OK but so long as my mind is trapped in

the abuse, I

> am reliving

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> everyday and every day I am re- abusinf

my adrenals,

> my opancreas,

>> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> muscles

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> etc

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Now many people think people like

me a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> maligerers who should

>> > just snap

>>>> >> > out

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of it and stop feeling sorry for

ourselves. But the

> experiance of

>> > PTSD

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> not present itself in this fashion. The

victim wants

> and is trying

>> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> come to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> terms with the incidents, or in my case

the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> incidents, but she is

>> > unable

>>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> stop the mind looping and constantly

chatting on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about the cruelty

>> > of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> event.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > It is very much like the min is

percicuting me,

> blaming me

>> > for the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extreme

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> cruelty of another person. My mind says

you should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have done this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> and you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> should have done that and why did you

put up with it

> and look at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> you now

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> are so ill and you let this happen etc

etc. My mind

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> has difficulty

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> forgiving

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> me for not protecting myself and feels

responsibel

> for my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Fibromyalgia.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> It is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to fully explain this because on a

conscious

> level i know

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> this is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> not my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> fault and I know that at the time there

was nothing

> more i could

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>>

>>>> >> > done

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> about what went on, but part of me will

not accept

> this, and I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> torment

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to death.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > this is what I am refering to when

I discuss

> obsessive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thinking. There

>>>> >> > are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> treatments available, talking therapies,

tapping, eye

> movement etc

>> > and I

>>>> >> > do

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> work at these but occasionally my

obsessive thinking

> returns and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> when it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my symptoms of Fibromyalgia flare up

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > For instance if i see somebody

being severly

> attacked on TV

>> > this can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> trigger my PTSD or if somebody tells me

my illness is

> all in my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> head, >>>

>>>> >> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> can trigger me, or if people start going

on about how

> we should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> forgive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> our

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> enemies and if we die not forgiving them

we will go

> to hell, this

>> > can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trigger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I know to other people this thing

might sound

> pathetic but it

>> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extremely

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> difficult for me to deal with. i long

just to be

> normal and to

>> > have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> responses to things. Not to be crippled

just because

> something not

>> > nice

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> has

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> just happened.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I do believe my PTSD and

Fibromyalgia are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> separate illnesses.

>> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> believe my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> PTSD is triggering the Fibromyalgia. But

to cure the

> later I must

>> > first

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> overcome the PTSD. if i do not it will

not matter how

> many

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> medicines,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> creams,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> therapies for my Fibromyalgia I use it

will still be

> triggered by

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> madness

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that is going on inside of me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The good news is I am doing really

well with my

> PTSD and my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> Fibromyalgia is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> improving also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Kindest Regards

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

[Guest guest]

This is AWESOME Carol! I don't think you're weird. You claimed what was

rightfully yours...good health. Praise the Lord!

Tammy

Joanne,

You are right on ! Less than two years ago my kidneys were functioning at

10%( 5 % and you die ) and I was told that if I didn't get on dialysis

within a week I would be dead. My friends came and prayed for me and after 13

days of not being able to eat, I woke up the next morning and was hungry as

a bear. Day by day I improved and one of the things I learned to do was

change my thinking and the way I spoke. I would not let ANY negative thoughts

take residency in my mind and I only spoke positive things. I even spoke to

that disease and told it that it had to go. I did this every day for less

than two years. Well, long story short, I went to the Dr. a few days ago

and my kidneys are now functiong " perfectly normal " . I don't care if anyone

thinks I am weird or not. I will do what it takes to make me well. By the

way, I never had to go on dialysis nor did I have to have a transplant like

the specialists said I would.God has the final say !

Carol

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think that¹s true maria. I also was the peacemaker in my family as a

child. I tried to take all their pain into me to make their life better. I

remember thinking that when I was 4 years old. I said to myself, I¹m ok, I

will just put my needs aside because these people are hurting and I don¹t

want to add to their pain or their worry.² that began the dissociation for

me. The experiences also involved alcohol and all the attendant

violence/sexual abuse etc. I just kept saying to myself that I don¹t

matter, I can take it. So, now I too am working out the the physical,

spiritual and mental aspects of my life, but in many ways I am grateful for

my life because overall I have become a better person and a more

compassionate person too. My pain has driven me to try and understand life

better.

Sharing others life stories helps me heal too. thanks.

>

>

>

>

> On a light note:

>  

> What if.... 

> when God created us we were not from earth dust but stardust on the moon.

> He sent us down here because we all have that extra special light.

> So from now on...I am His moonchild.

>  

> Come to think of it the dust on my sole has sparkle particle.

>  

>

>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Jill <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com

<mailto:gray04red%

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 40yahoo.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re: PTSD and

Obsessive thinking

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 5:44 PM

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I have had and still have PTSD. I was abused as

a child,

> developed

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> amnesia,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > then when an adult regained it. As an adult, I

also

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experienced abuse.

>> > I >>

>>>> >> > had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Dissociative Identity Disorder with this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The process of healing from the childhood abuse

took around

> 10 years,

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > much shorter than usual. I used a lot of prayer,

a lot of

> positive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > auto-hypnosis tapes and therapy and worked most

days on the

> memories.

>> > Each

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > person in the group of personalities had to

process their

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> abuse. Then

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> I had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > work on merging and eliminating them when the

healing (which

> did

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> include

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> true

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > forgiveness) was complete for each smaller

group.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The memories would come spontaneously, and so I

was in a high

> stress

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> situation

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > of great fear from reliving the abuse. So, I

ended up with

> adrenal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> problems,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > eating problems. Luckily, Grace of God, I was

sober and clean

> through

>> > most

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > it. I was sober but considered a flake and so

didn't have

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sponsorship,

>> > but

>>>> >> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > did the best I could with the 12 step program.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The carbohydrates and sugars I ate were a

comfort to me, but

> I have

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> damaged

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > body due to them.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > What I need and do is to keep trusting HP that

all these

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences

>> > will

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > serve a good purpose. That, as I move through

this life, I

> make the

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> choices

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > that allow me to love myself and others. That I

use the

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > compassion for everyone, not just people who are

like me.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Consciously choosing to be hopeful, choosing to

trust even if

> I don't

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> see a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > positive end yet, doing each day what I can do

to help myself

> and

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> allow HP

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > bring me the help I need is my challenge.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > My prayers and good wishes are for all of us.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Jill in TX

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > PTSD is Post traumatic stress

disorder. It is a

> psychological

>> > illness

>>>> >> > that

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develops following either very prolonged

stress or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> extreme trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> rape, witnessing a murder, being force

to kill

> somebody or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> something like

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that. Basically what happens is the mind

is unable to

> cope with

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and instead of taking the trauma through

its natural

> progress, i.e

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> denial,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anger, despair, frustration, blame,

guilt�etc to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> acceptance and

>> > moving

>>>> >> > on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> the mind gets trapped in the early

stages of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trauma response.

>> > It's a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> bit

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to explain. but basically the

person that is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering from

>> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> longs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to move to the acceptance stage but the

mind is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply unable to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> do this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and�basically loops in the earlier

stages going

> from anger,

>> > blame

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> guilt,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> frustration, denial, to frustration,

guilt, anger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> blame and on and

>> > on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> there

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is no respite from the nightmare and

this affects

> sleep, causes

>> > over

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> production of adrenaline, often cravings

for sugar,

> and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > individual

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > concerned, can end up binge eating.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > In my case this is what happened

and after years

> of this I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> started to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop the symptoms of Fibromyalgia,

fatigue,

> allergies,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> arthritic pain,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anxiety, Candida and so on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Often when i see doctors they are

keen to fix my

> physical

>> > symptoms

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> OK but so long as my mind is trapped in

the abuse, I

> am reliving

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> everyday and every day I am re- abusinf

my adrenals,

> my opancreas,

>> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> muscles

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> etc

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Now many people think people like

me a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> maligerers who should

>> > just snap

>>>> >> > out

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of it and stop feeling sorry for

ourselves. But the

> experiance of

>> > PTSD

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> not present itself in this fashion. The

victim wants

> and is trying

>> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> come to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> terms with the incidents, or in my case

the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> incidents, but she is

>> > unable

>>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> stop the mind looping and constantly

chatting on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about the cruelty

>> > of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> event.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > It is very much like the min is

percicuting me,

> blaming me

>> > for the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extreme

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> cruelty of another person. My mind says

you should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have done this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> and you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> should have done that and why did you

put up with it

> and look at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> you now

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> are so ill and you let this happen etc

etc. My mind

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> has difficulty

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> forgiving

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> me for not protecting myself and feels

responsibel

> for my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Fibromyalgia.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> It is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to fully explain this because on a

conscious

> level i know

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> this is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> not my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> fault and I know that at the time there

was nothing

> more i could

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>>

>>>> >> > done

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> about what went on, but part of me will

not accept

> this, and I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> torment

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to death.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > this is what I am refering to when

I discuss

> obsessive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thinking. There

>>>> >> > are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> treatments available, talking therapies,

tapping, eye

> movement etc

>> > and I

>>>> >> > do

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> work at these but occasionally my

obsessive thinking

> returns and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> when it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my symptoms of Fibromyalgia flare up

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > For instance if i see somebody

being severly

> attacked on TV

>> > this can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> trigger my PTSD or if somebody tells me

my illness is

> all in my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> head, >>>

>>>> >> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> can trigger me, or if people start going

on about how

> we should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> forgive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> our

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> enemies and if we die not forgiving them

we will go

> to hell, this

>> > can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trigger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I know to other people this thing

might sound

> pathetic but it

>> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extremely

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> difficult for me to deal with. i long

just to be

> normal and to

>> > have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> responses to things. Not to be crippled

just because

> something not

>> > nice

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> has

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> just happened.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I do believe my PTSD and

Fibromyalgia are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> separate illnesses.

>> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> believe my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> PTSD is triggering the Fibromyalgia. But

to cure the

> later I must

>> > first

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> overcome the PTSD. if i do not it will

not matter how

> many

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> medicines,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> creams,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> therapies for my Fibromyalgia I use it

will still be

> triggered by

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> madness

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that is going on inside of me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The good news is I am doing really

well with my

> PTSD and my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> Fibromyalgia is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> improving also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Kindest Regards

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

[Guest guest]

Not for me, its not too much. I totally agree with you. Everything you

said is true for me too.

>

>

>

>

> Some folk do not like me talking about how God has made me well and continues

> to make me well and that I know he is the only way i can remain well. They do

> not understand that no Doctor is ever going to cure me, only make me more

> confused and more of a victim of this illness. They do not realise that if i

> miss out my spiritual healing and focus only on the physical or mental side of

> this illness i will not get well. This illness has devided my inner self up

> and it is only by nurturing all three sides on me that i will bring them beck

> together and have them working in harmony. I believe all illnesses are able to

> devide a person up like this but it is particularly severe with Fibromyalgia

> because the illness is so severe and because the medical establishment has no

> idea how to help us. I do not despair at this any more because i find great

> comfort that the Lord is helping me. I have given up all notions that the

> medical establishment will help me and I

> have stopped leaning towards my own understanding. All i do is love myself as

> a child of God. I see myself fully as a young Angel is a very severe training

> ground in need of much faith so that I can feel warm and safe in the hands of

> my Lord. As i hand all this illness every bit of it the trauma, the symptoms

> the consiquences the helplessness all of it to him he shows me the way. I know

> that when you are beaten and this illness is crippling you and it all feels

> unfair and you cannot see the woods for the trees because the pain the

> relentless nightmares the lack of sleep the eating problems the allergies the

> lack of understanding from doctors the lack of compasion from family and all

> the rest has pulledyou down to nothingness, the hardest thing to do in the

> world is believe there is a God that loves you. But, honestly, and I tell you

> from the heart before anything this is what we have to believe so that he can

> help us. no single netity on earth can help

> us and if we want to know which entities can we need to turn to God for

> guidance. As much as what i am saying may sound out there somewhere I am

> telling you now this is the truth. I have only seen people recovering from

> this when they are fully commited to a spiritual program like the 12 step

> program or a similar church program or a similar buddhist meditation program.

> all the people that i have met who will not accept the spiritual and

> psychological aspects of this illness are struggling and there is nnothing i

> can do to help them because the language i use is foreign to them

>  

> I do hope this is not too much for the readers here

>  

> Joanne

>

>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Jill <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com

<mailto:gray04red%

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 40yahoo.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re: PTSD and

Obsessive thinking

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 5:44 PM

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I have had and still have PTSD. I was abused as

a child,

> developed

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> amnesia,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > then when an adult regained it. As an adult, I

also

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experienced abuse.

>> > I >>

>>>> >> > had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Dissociative Identity Disorder with this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The process of healing from the childhood abuse

took around

> 10 years,

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > much shorter than usual. I used a lot of prayer,

a lot of

> positive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > auto-hypnosis tapes and therapy and worked most

days on the

> memories.

>> > Each

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > person in the group of personalities had to

process their

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> abuse. Then

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> I had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > work on merging and eliminating them when the

healing (which

> did

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> include

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> true

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > forgiveness) was complete for each smaller

group.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The memories would come spontaneously, and so I

was in a high

> stress

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> situation

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > of great fear from reliving the abuse. So, I

ended up with

> adrenal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> problems,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > eating problems. Luckily, Grace of God, I was

sober and clean

> through

>> > most

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > it. I was sober but considered a flake and so

didn't have

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sponsorship,

>> > but

>>>> >> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > did the best I could with the 12 step program.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The carbohydrates and sugars I ate were a

comfort to me, but

> I have

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> damaged

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > body due to them.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > What I need and do is to keep trusting HP that

all these

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences

>> > will

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > serve a good purpose. That, as I move through

this life, I

> make the

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> choices

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > that allow me to love myself and others. That I

use the

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > compassion for everyone, not just people who are

like me.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Consciously choosing to be hopeful, choosing to

trust even if

> I don't

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> see a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > positive end yet, doing each day what I can do

to help myself

> and

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> allow HP

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > bring me the help I need is my challenge.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > My prayers and good wishes are for all of us.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Jill in TX

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > PTSD is Post traumatic stress

disorder. It is a

> psychological

>> > illness

>>>> >> > that

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develops following either very prolonged

stress or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> extreme trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> rape, witnessing a murder, being force

to kill

> somebody or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> something like

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that. Basically what happens is the mind

is unable to

> cope with

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and instead of taking the trauma through

its natural

> progress, i.e

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> denial,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anger, despair, frustration, blame,

guilt�etc to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> acceptance and

>> > moving

>>>> >> > on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> the mind gets trapped in the early

stages of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trauma response.

>> > It's a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> bit

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to explain. but basically the

person that is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering from

>> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> longs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to move to the acceptance stage but the

mind is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply unable to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> do this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and�basically loops in the earlier

stages going

> from anger,

>> > blame

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> guilt,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> frustration, denial, to frustration,

guilt, anger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> blame and on and

>> > on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> there

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is no respite from the nightmare and

this affects

> sleep, causes

>> > over

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> production of adrenaline, often cravings

for sugar,

> and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > individual

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > concerned, can end up binge eating.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > In my case this is what happened

and after years

> of this I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> started to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop the symptoms of Fibromyalgia,

fatigue,

> allergies,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> arthritic pain,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anxiety, Candida and so on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Often when i see doctors they are

keen to fix my

> physical

>> > symptoms

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> OK but so long as my mind is trapped in

the abuse, I

> am reliving

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> everyday and every day I am re- abusinf

my adrenals,

> my opancreas,

>> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> muscles

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> etc

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Now many people think people like

me a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> maligerers who should

>> > just snap

>>>> >> > out

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of it and stop feeling sorry for

ourselves. But the

> experiance of

>> > PTSD

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> not present itself in this fashion. The

victim wants

> and is trying

>> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> come to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> terms with the incidents, or in my case

the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> incidents, but she is

>> > unable

>>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> stop the mind looping and constantly

chatting on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about the cruelty

>> > of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> event.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > It is very much like the min is

percicuting me,

> blaming me

>> > for the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extreme

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> cruelty of another person. My mind says

you should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have done this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> and you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> should have done that and why did you

put up with it

> and look at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> you now

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> are so ill and you let this happen etc

etc. My mind

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> has difficulty

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> forgiving

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> me for not protecting myself and feels

responsibel

> for my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Fibromyalgia.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> It is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to fully explain this because on a

conscious

> level i know

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> this is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> not my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> fault and I know that at the time there

was nothing

> more i could

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>>

>>>> >> > done

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> about what went on, but part of me will

not accept

> this, and I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> torment

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to death.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > this is what I am refering to when

I discuss

> obsessive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thinking. There

>>>> >> > are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> treatments available, talking therapies,

tapping, eye

> movement etc

>> > and I

>>>> >> > do

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> work at these but occasionally my

obsessive thinking

> returns and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> when it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my symptoms of Fibromyalgia flare up

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > For instance if i see somebody

being severly

> attacked on TV

>> > this can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> trigger my PTSD or if somebody tells me

my illness is

> all in my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> head, >>>

>>>> >> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> can trigger me, or if people start going

on about how

> we should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> forgive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> our

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> enemies and if we die not forgiving them

we will go

> to hell, this

>> > can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trigger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I know to other people this thing

might sound

> pathetic but it

>> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extremely

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> difficult for me to deal with. i long

just to be

> normal and to

>> > have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> responses to things. Not to be crippled

just because

> something not

>> > nice

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> has

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> just happened.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I do believe my PTSD and

Fibromyalgia are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> separate illnesses.

>> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> believe my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> PTSD is triggering the Fibromyalgia. But

to cure the

> later I must

>> > first

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> overcome the PTSD. if i do not it will

not matter how

> many

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> medicines,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> creams,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> therapies for my Fibromyalgia I use it

will still be

> triggered by

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> madness

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that is going on inside of me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The good news is I am doing really

well with my

> PTSD and my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> Fibromyalgia is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> improving also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Kindest Regards

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

[Guest guest]

A true witness to God's everlasting Love and miraculous healing!

Subject: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

To: fibromyalgiacured

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 5:10 PM

 

Joanne,

You are right on ! Less than two years ago my kidneys were functioning at 10%( 5

% and you die ) and I was told that if I didn't get on dialysis within a week I

would be dead. My friends came and prayed for me and after 13 days of not being

able to eat, I woke up the next morning and was hungry as a bear. Day by day I

improved and one of the things I learned to do was change my thinking and the

way I spoke. I would not let ANY negative thoughts take residency in my mind and

I only spoke positive things. I even spoke to that disease and told it that it

had to go. I did this every day for less than two years. Well, long story short,

I went to the Dr. a few days ago and my kidneys are now functiong " perfectly

normal " . I don't care if anyone thinks I am weird or not. I will do what it

takes to make me well. By the way, I never had to go on dialysis nor did I have

to have a transplant like the specialists said I would.God has the final say !

Carol

> >

> > Some folk do not like me talking about how God has made me well and

continues to make me well and that I know he is the only way i can remain well.

They do not understand that no Doctor is ever going to cure me, only make me

more confused and more of a victim of this illness. They do not realise that if

i miss out my spiritual healing and focus only on the physical or mental side of

this illness i will not get well. This illness has devided my inner self up and

it is only by nurturing all three sides on me that i will bring them beck

together and have them working in harmony. I believe all illnesses are able to

devide a person up like this but it is particularly severe with Fibromyalgia

because the illness is so severe and because the medical establishment has no

idea how to help us. I do not despair at this any more because i find great

comfort that the Lord is helping me. I have given up all notions that the

medical establishment will help me and I

> > have stopped leaning towards my own understanding. All i do is love myself

as a child of God. I see myself fully as a young Angel is a very severe training

ground in need of much faith so that I can feel warm and safe in the hands of my

Lord. As i hand all this illness every bit of it the trauma, the symptoms the

consiquences the helplessness all of it to him he shows me the way. I know that

when you are beaten and this illness is crippling you and it all feels unfair

and you cannot see the woods for the trees because the pain the relentless

nightmares the lack of sleep the eating problems the allergies the lack of

understanding from doctors the lack of compasion from family and all the rest

has pulledyou down to nothingness, the hardest thing to do in the world is

believe there is a God that loves you. But, honestly, and I tell you from the

heart before anything this is what we have to believe so that he can help us. no

single netity on earth can

help

> > us and if we want to know which entities can we need to turn to God for

guidance. As much as what i am saying may sound out there somewhere I am telling

you now this is the truth. I have only seen people recovering from this when

they are fully commited to a spiritual program like the 12 step program or a

similar church program or a similar buddhist meditation program. all the people

that i have met who will not accept the spiritual and psychological aspects of

this illness are struggling and there is nnothing i can do to help them because

the language i use is foreign to them

> >  

> > I do hope this is not too much for the readers here

> >  

> > Joanne

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Absolutely ! I give God ALL the glory and praise. He was the one who led me day

by day to get up and walk, to eat, even what medicine to take. I have tossed

many pills in the trash because He would tell me not to take them then I'd find

out later that they would have caused me more harm than good.God is so good !

From: Carol <songofjoy22002@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 5:10 PM

 

Joanne,

You are right on ! Less than two years ago my kidneys were functioning at 10%( 5

% and you die ) and I was told that if I didn't get on dialysis within a week I

would be dead. My friends came and prayed for me and after 13 days of not being

able to eat, I woke up the next morning and was hungry as a bear. Day by day I

improved and one of the things I learned to do was change my thinking and the

way I spoke. I would not let ANY negative thoughts take residency in my mind and

I only spoke positive things. I even spoke to that disease and told it that it

had to go. I did this every day for less than two years. Well, long story short,

I went to the Dr. a few days ago and my kidneys are now functiong " perfectly

normal " . I don't care if anyone thinks I am weird or not. I will do what it

takes to make me well. By the way, I never had to go on dialysis nor did I have

to have a transplant like the specialists said I would.God has the final say !

Carol

> >

> > Some folk do not like me talking about how God has made me well and

continues to make me well and that I know he is the only way i can remain well.

They do not understand that no Doctor is ever going to cure me, only make me

more confused and more of a victim of this illness. They do not realise that if

i miss out my spiritual healing and focus only on the physical or mental side of

this illness i will not get well. This illness has devided my inner self up and

it is only by nurturing all three sides on me that i will bring them beck

together and have them working in harmony. I believe all illnesses are able to

devide a person up like this but it is particularly severe with Fibromyalgia

because the illness is so severe and because the medical establishment has no

idea how to help us. I do not despair at this any more because i find great

comfort that the Lord is helping me. I have given up all notions that the

medical establishment will help me and I

> > have stopped leaning towards my own understanding. All i do is love myself

as a child of God. I see myself fully as a young Angel is a very severe training

ground in need of much faith so that I can feel warm and safe in the hands of my

Lord. As i hand all this illness every bit of it the trauma, the symptoms the

consiquences the helplessness all of it to him he shows me the way. I know that

when you are beaten and this illness is crippling you and it all feels unfair

and you cannot see the woods for the trees because the pain the relentless

nightmares the lack of sleep the eating problems the allergies the lack of

understanding from doctors the lack of compasion from family and all the rest

has pulledyou down to nothingness, the hardest thing to do in the world is

believe there is a God that loves you. But, honestly, and I tell you from the

heart before anything this is what we have to believe so that he can help us. no

single netity on earth can

help

> > us and if we want to know which entities can we need to turn to God for

guidance. As much as what i am saying may sound out there somewhere I am telling

you now this is the truth. I have only seen people recovering from this when

they are fully commited to a spiritual program like the 12 step program or a

similar church program or a similar buddhist meditation program. all the people

that i have met who will not accept the spiritual and psychological aspects of

this illness are struggling and there is nnothing i can do to help them because

the language i use is foreign to them

> >  

> > I do hope this is not too much for the readers here

> >  

> > Joanne

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Tammy

 

To those who believe....we WERE  healed 2,000 years ago on the cross. It's just

a matter of believing and recieving.Calling those things that are not as if they

are ! Fibro is next to go !

 

 

 

 

Subject: Re: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

To: fibromyalgiacured

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:17 PM

 

This is AWESOME Carol! I don't think you're weird. You claimed what was

rightfully yours...good health. Praise the Lord!

Tammy

Joanne,

You are right on ! Less than two years ago my kidneys were functioning at

10%( 5 % and you die ) and I was told that if I didn't get on dialysis

within a week I would be dead. My friends came and prayed for me and after 13

days of not being able to eat, I woke up the next morning and was hungry as

a bear. Day by day I improved and one of the things I learned to do was

change my thinking and the way I spoke. I would not let ANY negative thoughts

take residency in my mind and I only spoke positive things. I even spoke to

that disease and told it that it had to go. I did this every day for less

than two years. Well, long story short, I went to the Dr. a few days ago

and my kidneys are now functiong " perfectly normal " . I don't care if anyone

thinks I am weird or not. I will do what it takes to make me well. By the

way, I never had to go on dialysis nor did I have to have a transplant like

the specialists said I would.God has the final say !

Carol

[Guest guest]

Hi jill; yeah, I notice those weird markings too. I know that if I put in

an apostrophe like in the word didn¹t it will look weird. So now I am

trying to remember to not contract words but instead say did not instead of

didn¹t. Something gets lost in the translation of brackets also. When we

use a bracket it becomes a different symbol. :0

>

>

>

>

> I apologize for inserting this, but does anyone know why we get all the >

> signs in the sentences of our posts?

>

> I've planted older yams or sweet potaos cut up with the eyes still in them

> (that's where the sprouts come from but they can't be eaten)and got lovely

> plants - they don't last long, but it does give me a bit more oxygen in my

> home.

>

> I get yams and/or sweet potatoes at the local grocery, I can get them year

> round or at the natural/organic foods market. They are great roasted and can

> be boiled, broiled, grilled. They are wonderful with some nutmeg and butter on

> them. I've made a dish with them and apples and pork as a casserole.

>

> Jill in TX

>

>

>> >

>> > joanne yams are like sweet potatoes

>> > i think they may be a seasonal thing in the produce section of a store.

>> > or you can plant and grow your own.

>> > i hope that helps.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Joy

>

>> > ________________________________

>> >

>> > To: fibromyalgiacured

>> <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

>> > Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 3:04:18 PM

>> > Subject: Re: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

>> >

>> >

>> > Please tell me what a Yams and where would i get these

>> >

>> > joanne

>> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. I have had that experience myself a number of times.

>

>

>

>

> ,

> Absolutely ! I give God ALL the glory and praise. He was the one who led me

> day by day to get up and walk, to eat, even what medicine to take. I have

> tossed many pills in the trash because He would tell me not to take them then

> I'd find out later that they would have caused me more harm than good.God is

> so good !

>

>

>

> From: Carol <songofjoy22002@ yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

> To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 5:10 PM

>

>  

>

> Joanne,

> You are right on ! Less than two years ago my kidneys were functioning at 10%(

> 5 % and you die ) and I was told that if I didn't get on dialysis within a

> week I would be dead. My friends came and prayed for me and after 13 days of

> not being able to eat, I woke up the next morning and was hungry as a bear.

> Day by day I improved and one of the things I learned to do was change my

> thinking and the way I spoke. I would not let ANY negative thoughts take

> residency in my mind and I only spoke positive things. I even spoke to that

> disease and told it that it had to go. I did this every day for less than two

> years. Well, long story short, I went to the Dr. a few days ago and my kidneys

> are now functiong " perfectly normal " . I don't care if anyone thinks I am weird

> or not. I will do what it takes to make me well. By the way, I never had to go

> on dialysis nor did I have to have a transplant like the specialists said I

> would.God has the final say !

> Carol

>

>

>>> > >

>>> > > Some folk do not like me talking about how God has made me well and

>>> continues to make me well and that I know he is the only way i can remain

>>> well. They do not understand that no Doctor is ever going to cure me, only

>>> make me more confused and more of a victim of this illness. They do not

>>> realise that if i miss out my spiritual healing and focus only on the

>>> physical or mental side of this illness i will not get well. This illness

>>> has devided my inner self up and it is only by nurturing all three sides on

>>> me that i will bring them beck together and have them working in harmony. I

>>> believe all illnesses are able to devide a person up like this but it is

>>> particularly severe with Fibromyalgia because the illness is so severe and

>>> because the medical establishment has no idea how to help us. I do not

>>> despair at this any more because i find great comfort that the Lord is

>>> helping me. I have given up all notions that the medical establishment will

>>> help me and I

>>> > > have stopped leaning towards my own understanding. All i do is love

>>> myself as a child of God. I see myself fully as a young Angel is a very

>>> severe training ground in need of much faith so that I can feel warm and

>>> safe in the hands of my Lord. As i hand all this illness every bit of it the

>>> trauma, the symptoms the consiquences the helplessness all of it to him he

>>> shows me the way. I know that when you are beaten and this illness is

>>> crippling you and it all feels unfair and you cannot see the woods for the

>>> trees because the pain the relentless nightmares the lack of sleep the

>>> eating problems the allergies the lack of understanding from doctors the

>>> lack of compasion from family and all the rest has pulledyou down to

>>> nothingness, the hardest thing to do in the world is believe there is a God

>>> that loves you. But, honestly, and I tell you from the heart before anything

>>> this is what we have to believe so that he can help us. no single netity on

>>> earth can

> help

>>> > > us and if we want to know which entities can we need to turn to God for

>>> guidance. As much as what i am saying may sound out there somewhere I am

>>> telling you now this is the truth. I have only seen people recovering from

>>> this when they are fully commited to a spiritual program like the 12 step

>>> program or a similar church program or a similar buddhist meditation

>>> program. all the people that i have met who will not accept the spiritual

>>> and psychological aspects of this illness are struggling and there is

>>> nnothing i can do to help them because the language i use is foreign to them

>>> > >  

>>> > > I do hope this is not too much for the readers here

>>> > >  

>>> > > Joanne

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

rosemarie,

4 is real young to do that.

My memory of being 4 was that I didn't like the smell in the living room, my

parents smoked.

I would avoid my parents and the clouds of smoke when I was 4.

We moved a lot and when I was 4 we lived in France.

I was in kindergarten then.

I rode the bus, and went to school, that was a nice memory,

i would sleep ( or stay in bed til it was time for school) till time for school

to avoid the living room.

its amazing what we did and how early our memories are.

I just thought I would add my two cents worth.

Joy

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:19:00 PM

Subject: Re: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

Yes, I think that¹s true maria. I also was the peacemaker in my family as a

child. I tried to take all their pain into me to make their life better. I

remember thinking that when I was 4 years old. I said to myself, I¹m ok, I

will just put my needs aside because these people are hurting and I don¹t

want to add to their pain or their worry.² that began the dissociation for

me. The experiences also involved alcohol and all the attendant

violence/sexual abuse etc. I just kept saying to myself that I don¹t

matter, I can take it. So, now I too am working out the the physical,

spiritual and mental aspects of my life, but in many ways I am grateful for

my life because overall I have become a better person and a more

compassionate person too. My pain has driven me to try and understand life

better.

Sharing others life stories helps me heal too. thanks.

On 8/9/09 8:17 PM, " maria betancourt " <studiosanmiguel@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> On a light note:

>

> What if....

> when God created us we were not from earth dust but stardust on the moon.

> He sent us down here because we all have that extra special light.

> So from now on...I am His moonchild.

>

> Come to think of it the dust on my sole has sparkle particle.

>

>

>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Jill <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com

<mailto:gray04red%

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 40yahoo.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re: PTSD and

Obsessive thinking

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 5:44 PM

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I have had and still have PTSD. I was abused as

a child,

> developed

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> amnesia,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > then when an adult regained it. As an adult, I

also

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experienced abuse.

>> > I >>

>>>> >> > had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Dissociative Identity Disorder with this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The process of healing from the childhood abuse

took around

> 10 years,

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > much shorter than usual. I used a lot of prayer,

a lot of

> positive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > auto-hypnosis tapes and therapy and worked most

days on the

> memories.

>> > Each

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > person in the group of personalities had to

process their

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> abuse. Then

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> I had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > work on merging and eliminating them when the

healing (which

> did

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> include

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> true

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > forgiveness) was complete for each smaller

group.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The memories would come spontaneously, and so I

was in a high

> stress

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> situation

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > of great fear from reliving the abuse. So, I

ended up with

> adrenal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> problems,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > eating problems. Luckily, Grace of God, I was

sober and clean

> through

>> > most

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > it. I was sober but considered a flake and so

didn't have

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sponsorship,

>> > but

>>>> >> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > did the best I could with the 12 step program.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The carbohydrates and sugars I ate were a

comfort to me, but

> I have

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> damaged

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > body due to them.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > What I need and do is to keep trusting HP that

all these

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences

>> > will

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > serve a good purpose. That, as I move through

this life, I

> make the

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> choices

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > that allow me to love myself and others. That I

use the

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > compassion for everyone, not just people who are

like me.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Consciously choosing to be hopeful, choosing to

trust even if

> I don't

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> see a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > positive end yet, doing each day what I can do

to help myself

> and

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> allow HP

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > bring me the help I need is my challenge.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > My prayers and good wishes are for all of us.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Jill in TX

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > PTSD is Post traumatic stress

disorder. It is a

> psychological

>> > illness

>>>> >> > that

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develops following either very prolonged

stress or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> extreme trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> rape, witnessing a murder, being force

to kill

> somebody or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> something like

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that. Basically what happens is the mind

is unable to

> cope with

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and instead of taking the trauma through

its natural

> progress, i.e

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> denial,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anger, despair, frustration, blame,

guilt�etc to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> acceptance and

>> > moving

>>>> >> > on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> the mind gets trapped in the early

stages of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trauma response.

>> > It's a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> bit

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to explain. but basically the

person that is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering from

>> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> longs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to move to the acceptance stage but the

mind is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply unable to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> do this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and�basically loops in the earlier

stages going

> from anger,

>> > blame

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> guilt,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> frustration, denial, to frustration,

guilt, anger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> blame and on and

>> > on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> there

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is no respite from the nightmare and

this affects

> sleep, causes

>> > over

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> production of adrenaline, often cravings

for sugar,

> and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > individual

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > concerned, can end up binge eating.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > In my case this is what happened

and after years

> of this I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> started to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop the symptoms of Fibromyalgia,

fatigue,

> allergies,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> arthritic pain,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anxiety, Candida and so on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Often when i see doctors they are

keen to fix my

> physical

>> > symptoms

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> OK but so long as my mind is trapped in

the abuse, I

> am reliving

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> everyday and every day I am re- abusinf

my adrenals,

> my opancreas,

>> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> muscles

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> etc

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Now many people think people like

me a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> maligerers who should

>> > just snap

>>>> >> > out

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of it and stop feeling sorry for

ourselves. But the

> experiance of

>> > PTSD

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> not present itself in this fashion. The

victim wants

> and is trying

>> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> come to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> terms with the incidents, or in my case

the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> incidents, but she is

>> > unable

>>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> stop the mind looping and constantly

chatting on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about the cruelty

>> > of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> event.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > It is very much like the min is

percicuting me,

> blaming me

>> > for the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extreme

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> cruelty of another person. My mind says

you should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have done this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> and you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> should have done that and why did you

put up with it

> and look at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> you now

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> are so ill and you let this happen etc

etc. My mind

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> has difficulty

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> forgiving

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> me for not protecting myself and feels

responsibel

> for my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Fibromyalgia.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> It is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to fully explain this because on a

conscious

> level i know

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> this is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> not my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> fault and I know that at the time there

was nothing

> more i could

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>>

>>>> >> > done

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> about what went on, but part of me will

not accept

> this, and I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> torment

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to death.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > this is what I am refering to when

I discuss

> obsessive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thinking. There

>>>> >> > are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> treatments available, talking therapies,

tapping, eye

> movement etc

>> > and I

>>>> >> > do

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> work at these but occasionally my

obsessive thinking

> returns and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> when it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my symptoms of Fibromyalgia flare up

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > For instance if i see somebody

being severly

> attacked on TV

>> > this can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> trigger my PTSD or if somebody tells me

my illness is

> all in my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> head, >>>

>>>> >> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> can trigger me, or if people start going

on about how

> we should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> forgive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> our

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> enemies and if we die not forgiving them

we will go

> to hell, this

>> > can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trigger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I know to other people this thing

might sound

> pathetic but it

>> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extremely

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> difficult for me to deal with. i long

just to be

> normal and to

>> > have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> responses to things. Not to be crippled

just because

> something not

>> > nice

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> has

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> just happened.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I do believe my PTSD and

Fibromyalgia are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> separate illnesses.

>> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> believe my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> PTSD is triggering the Fibromyalgia. But

to cure the

> later I must

>> > first

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> overcome the PTSD. if i do not it will

not matter how

> many

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> medicines,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> creams,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> therapies for my Fibromyalgia I use it

will still be

> triggered by

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> madness

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that is going on inside of me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The good news is I am doing really

well with my

> PTSD and my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> Fibromyalgia is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> improving also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Kindest Regards

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

[Guest guest]

Jill

If I may ask " tell me its none of my business if you like "

what is your faith?

I have trouble sitting through my meetings.

I am LDS

if you don't know what that is I will be happy to explain more.

thanks

if you choose to answer

Joy

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:59:59 PM

Subject: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

> > Well on my uphill battle, last week I ate pizzaaaaaaa.

> > Did I suffer for the next three days. My right foot was acting up during the

> > sleeping hours soooo badly. I had it under two sheets, two blankets, a

> > comforter and a heating pad because on top of the twitch, it was freezing.

> > I don't think we will get rid of allergies... maybe just able to control

them.

> > M

[Guest guest]

Joanne

Here , here to the God Idea.

I wouldn't have called it that.

but i love Him.

Joy

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:01:15 PM

Subject: Re: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

Like I say some folk find my phylosphy weird and some are insulted when i say

fibromyalgia can be healed by commiting to a spiritual program. But for the

sceptics I say this. After how many years of going around in circles with the

medical establishment will you be willing to give the God idea a try? All i can

say is this that without faith and when full of bitter ness my illness murders

my inner self, my mind my body, with faith and gentle love towards myself my

illness accepts it is loosing its power over me. There has been no other way for

me to get this well and the beauty of all of it is I can pass this wisdom on to

my children and hopefully all the generations in my family to come

Joanne

From: Jill <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, 10 August, 2009, 9:30 PM

Joanne, you go girl! There are so many situations in life that only Heavenly

Father can fix or restore.

I got a priesthood blessing the other day for healing. Healing comes many ways.

One way is direct intervention: like my not drinking or drugging anymore. I have

to cooperate with HF, by doing what makes sense, like not purchasing or using

alcohol nor going where it is.

Another way is pretty quickly - I got hit by a truck and my back was a problem,

I asked for a priesthood blessing and as I sat there, I could feel the bones and

muscles adjusting and I could walk without pain.

Another way is long-term: where I do my part, I get help on the planetary level

and HF does his part by sending me the right information and people to help, by

inspiration on what I can do for myself. I am given the courage and endurance to

keep on keeping on. I am also, when I weaken, given sufficient of His faith in

Himself to trust enough that it is His will that I be healed - no matter how

long it is taking.

While working with people who were terminally ill, I found that death is another

way of healing any condition. I may die with or because of this or something

else, but I will be free eventually.

This has some kind of learning for me. I may not understand what is is while I'm

on the planet, but after I die, all will be revealed.

Jill in TX

>

> Some folk do not like me talking about how God has made me well and continues

to make me well and that I know he is the only way i can remain well. They do

not understand that no Doctor is ever going to cure me, only make me more

confused and more of a victim of this illness. They do not realise that if i

miss out my spiritual healing and focus only on the physical or mental side of

this illness i will not get well. This illness has devided my inner self up and

it is only by nurturing all three sides on me that i will bring them beck

together and have them working in harmony. I believe all illnesses are able to

devide a person up like this but it is particularly severe with Fibromyalgia

because the illness is so severe and because the medical establishment has no

idea how to help us. I do not despair at this any more because i find great

comfort that the Lord is helping me. I have given up all notions that the

medical establishment will help me and I

> have stopped leaning towards my own understanding. All i do is love myself as

a child of God. I see myself fully as a young Angel is a very severe training

ground in need of much faith so that I can feel warm and safe in the hands of my

Lord. As i hand all this illness every bit of it the trauma, the symptoms the

consiquences the helplessness all of it to him he shows me the way. I know that

when you are beaten and this illness is crippling you and it all feels unfair

and you cannot see the woods for the trees because the pain the relentless

nightmares the lack of sleep the eating problems the allergies the lack of

understanding from doctors the lack of compasion from family and all the rest

has pulledyou down to nothingness, the hardest thing to do in the world is

believe there is a God that loves you. But, honestly, and I tell you from the

heart before anything this is what we have to believe so that he can help us. no

single netity on earth can help

> us and if we want to know which entities can we need to turn to God for

guidance. As much as what i am saying may sound out there somewhere I am telling

you now this is the truth. I have only seen people recovering from this when

they are fully commited to a spiritual program like the 12 step program or a

similar church program or a similar buddhist meditation program. all the people

that i have met who will not accept the spiritual and psychological aspects of

this illness are struggling and there is nnothing i can do to help them because

the language i use is foreign to them

>

> I do hope this is not too much for the readers here

>

> Joanne

[Guest guest]

Carol

Yes God does have the final say !!!!

Joy

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:10:58 PM

Subject: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

Joanne,

You are right on ! Less than two years ago my kidneys were functioning at 10%( 5

% and you die ) and I was told that if I didn't get on dialysis within a week I

would be dead. My friends came and prayed for me and after 13 days of not being

able to eat, I woke up the next morning and was hungry as a bear. Day by day I

improved and one of the things I learned to do was change my thinking and the

way I spoke. I would not let ANY negative thoughts take residency in my mind and

I only spoke positive things. I even spoke to that disease and told it that it

had to go. I did this every day for less than two years. Well, long story short,

I went to the Dr. a few days ago and my kidneys are now functiong " perfectly

normal " . I don't care if anyone thinks I am weird or not. I will do what it

takes to make me well. By the way, I never had to go on dialysis nor did I have

to have a transplant like the specialists said I would.God has the final say !

Carol

> >

> > Some folk do not like me talking about how God has made me well and

continues to make me well and that I know he is the only way i can remain well.

They do not understand that no Doctor is ever going to cure me, only make me

more confused and more of a victim of this illness. They do not realise that if

i miss out my spiritual healing and focus only on the physical or mental side of

this illness i will not get well. This illness has devided my inner self up and

it is only by nurturing all three sides on me that i will bring them beck

together and have them working in harmony. I believe all illnesses are able to

devide a person up like this but it is particularly severe with Fibromyalgia

because the illness is so severe and because the medical establishment has no

idea how to help us. I do not despair at this any more because i find great

comfort that the Lord is helping me. I have given up all notions that the

medical establishment will help me and I

> > have stopped leaning towards my own understanding. All i do is love myself

as a child of God. I see myself fully as a young Angel is a very severe training

ground in need of much faith so that I can feel warm and safe in the hands of my

Lord. As i hand all this illness every bit of it the trauma, the symptoms the

consiquences the helplessness all of it to him he shows me the way. I know that

when you are beaten and this illness is crippling you and it all feels unfair

and you cannot see the woods for the trees because the pain the relentless

nightmares the lack of sleep the eating problems the allergies the lack of

understanding from doctors the lack of compasion from family and all the rest

has pulledyou down to nothingness, the hardest thing to do in the world is

believe there is a God that loves you. But, honestly, and I tell you from the

heart before anything this is what we have to believe so that he can help us. no

single netity on earth can

help

> > us and if we want to know which entities can we need to turn to God for

guidance. As much as what i am saying may sound out there somewhere I am telling

you now this is the truth. I have only seen people recovering from this when

they are fully commited to a spiritual program like the 12 step program or a

similar church program or a similar buddhist meditation program. all the people

that i have met who will not accept the spiritual and psychological aspects of

this illness are struggling and there is nnothing i can do to help them because

the language i use is foreign to them

> >

> > I do hope this is not too much for the readers here

> >

> > Joanne

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lets pray that fibro is the next thing to go!!!

Joy

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:37:11 PM

Subject: Re: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

Tammy

To those who believe....we WERE healed 2,000 years ago on the cross. It's just

a matter of believing and recieving.Calling those things that are not as if they

are ! Fibro is next to go !

From: tammyco5aol (DOT) com <tammyco5aol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:17 PM

This is AWESOME Carol! I don't think you're weird. You claimed what was

rightfully yours...good health. Praise the Lord!

Tammy

Joanne,

You are right on ! Less than two years ago my kidneys were functioning at

10%( 5 % and you die ) and I was told that if I didn't get on dialysis

within a week I would be dead. My friends came and prayed for me and after 13

days of not being able to eat, I woke up the next morning and was hungry as

a bear. Day by day I improved and one of the things I learned to do was

change my thinking and the way I spoke. I would not let ANY negative thoughts

take residency in my mind and I only spoke positive things. I even spoke to

that disease and told it that it had to go. I did this every day for less

than two years. Well, long story short, I went to the Dr. a few days ago

and my kidneys are now functiong " perfectly normal " . I don't care if anyone

thinks I am weird or not. I will do what it takes to make me well. By the

way, I never had to go on dialysis nor did I have to have a transplant like

the specialists said I would.God has the final say !

Carol

[Guest guest]

Joanne. Lds. The church of jesus christ of latter

day saints. Or mormon.

Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

>

>

>

> >

> While I was abstaining from dairy foods, I found soy, almond and rice cheese.

I think the Soy cheese actually melts! They come in Cheddar, mozzarella and

maybe jack flavors. They are hard cheeses and can be grated or sliced. I used

them on my Mexican and Italian food. Flavor was good but the cost is a bit high.

>

> Yams are different from white potatoes, they look reddish yellow, sweet

potatoes taste similar, they have a lower Glucose level than white potato - I

find them in regular grocery stores or in natural, organic stores.

>

> Good luck finding new things to try.

>

> I got to my Single Adults meeting last night as well as a talk about keeping

the sabbath and putting on the whole armor of God. I needed it - I've been

schlepping.

>

> Jill in TX

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah. Ok. We are not so bad lol

Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

>

>

>

> >

> While I was abstaining from dairy foods, I found soy, almond and rice cheese.

I think the Soy cheese actually melts! They come in Cheddar, mozzarella and

maybe jack flavors. They are hard cheeses and can be grated or sliced. I used

them on my Mexican and Italian food. Flavor was good but the cost is a bit high.

>

> Yams are different from white potatoes, they look reddish yellow, sweet

potatoes taste similar, they have a lower Glucose level than white potato - I

find them in regular grocery stores or in natural, organic stores.

>

> Good luck finding new things to try.

>

> I got to my Single Adults meeting last night as well as a talk about keeping

the sabbath and putting on the whole armor of God. I needed it - I've been

schlepping.

>

> Jill in TX

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks nancy. Its nice to hear others share their life

>

>

>

>

> rosemarie,

> 4 is real young to do that.

> My memory of being 4 was that I didn't like the smell in the living room, my

> parents smoked.

> I would avoid my parents and the clouds of smoke when I was 4.

> We moved a lot and when I was 4 we lived in France.

> I was in kindergarten then.

> I rode the bus, and went to school, that was a nice memory,

> i would sleep ( or stay in bed til it was time for school) till time for

> school to avoid the living room.

> its amazing what we did and how early our memories are.

> I just thought I would add my two cents worth.

>

> Joy

>

> ________________________________

> From: Rosemarie Tropf <rosemarie@... <mailto:rosemarie%40intnet.net> >

> To: fibromyalgiacured

> <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:19:00 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

>

> Yes, I think that¹s true maria. I also was the peacemaker in my family as a

> child. I tried to take all their pain into me to make their life better. I

> remember thinking that when I was 4 years old. I said to myself, I¹m ok, I

> will just put my needs aside because these people are hurting and I don¹t

> want to add to their pain or their worry.² that began the dissociation for

> me. The experiences also involved alcohol and all the attendant

> violence/sexual abuse etc. I just kept saying to myself that I don¹t

> matter, I can take it. So, now I too am working out the the physical,

> spiritual and mental aspects of my life, but in many ways I am grateful for

> my life because overall I have become a better person and a more

> compassionate person too. My pain has driven me to try and understand life

> better.

>

> Sharing others life stories helps me heal too. thanks.

>

> On 8/9/09 8:17 PM, " maria betancourt " <studiosanmiguel@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > On a light note:

>> >

>> > What if....

>> > when God created us we were not from earth dust but stardust on the moon.

>> > He sent us down here because we all have that extra special light.

>> > So from now on...I am His moonchild.

>> >

>> > Come to think of it the dust on my sole has sparkle particle.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Jill <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com

> <mailto:gray04red%

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 40yahoo.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re:

PTSD and

> Obsessive thinking

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups.

com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi

acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 5:44

PM

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I have had and still have PTSD. I

was abused as

> a child,

>> > developed

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> amnesia,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > then when an adult regained it. As

an adult, I

> also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experienced abuse.

>>>> >> > I >>

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Dissociative Identity Disorder with

this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The process of healing from the

childhood abuse

> took around

>> > 10 years,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > much shorter than usual. I used a

lot of prayer,

> a lot of

>> > positive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > auto-hypnosis tapes and therapy and

worked most

> days on the

>> > memories.

>>>> >> > Each

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > person in the group of

personalities had to

> process their

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> abuse. Then

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> I had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > work on merging and eliminating

them when the

> healing (which

>> > did

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> include

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> true

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > forgiveness) was complete for each

smaller

> group.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The memories would come

spontaneously, and so I

> was in a high

>> > stress

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> situation

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > of great fear from reliving the

abuse. So, I

> ended up with

>> > adrenal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> problems,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > eating problems. Luckily, Grace of

God, I was

> sober and clean

>> > through

>>>> >> > most

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > it. I was sober but considered a

flake and so

> didn't have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sponsorship,

>>>> >> > but

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > did the best I could with the 12

step program.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The carbohydrates and sugars I ate

were a

> comfort to me, but

>> > I have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> damaged

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > body due to them.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > What I need and do is to keep

trusting HP that

> all these

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences

>>>> >> > will

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > serve a good purpose. That, as I

move through

> this life, I

>> > make the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> choices

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > that allow me to love myself and

others. That I

> use the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > compassion for everyone, not just

people who are

> like me.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Consciously choosing to be hopeful,

choosing to

> trust even if

>> > I don't

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> see a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > positive end yet, doing each day

what I can do

> to help myself

>> > and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> allow HP

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > bring me the help I need is my

challenge.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > My prayers and good wishes are for

all of us.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Jill in TX

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > PTSD is Post traumatic

stress

> disorder. It is a

>> > psychological

>>>> >> > illness

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > that

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develops following either

very prolonged

> stress or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> extreme trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> rape, witnessing a murder,

being force

> to kill

>> > somebody or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> something like

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that. Basically what

happens is the mind

> is unable to

>> > cope with

>>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and instead of taking the

trauma through

> its natural

>> > progress, i.e

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> denial,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anger, despair,

frustration, blame,

> guilt�etc to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> acceptance and

>>>> >> > moving

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> the mind gets trapped in

the early

> stages of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trauma response.

>>>> >> > It's a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> bit

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to explain. but

basically the

> person that is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering from

>>>> >> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> longs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to move to the acceptance

stage but the

> mind is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply unable to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> do this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and�basically loops in

the earlier

> stages going

>> > from anger,

>>>> >> > blame

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> guilt,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> frustration, denial, to

frustration,

> guilt, anger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> blame and on and

>>>> >> > on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> there

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is no respite from the

nightmare and

> this affects

>> > sleep, causes

>>>> >> > over

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> production of adrenaline,

often cravings

> for sugar,

>> > and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > individual

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > concerned, can end up

binge eating.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > In my case this is

what happened

> and after years

>> > of this I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> started to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop the symptoms of

Fibromyalgia,

> fatigue,

>> > allergies,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> arthritic pain,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anxiety, Candida and so on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Often when i see

doctors they are

> keen to fix my

>> > physical

>>>> >> > symptoms

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> OK but so long as my mind

is trapped in

> the abuse, I

>> > am reliving

>>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> everyday and every day I am

re- abusinf

> my adrenals,

>> > my opancreas,

>>>> >> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> muscles

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> etc

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Now many people think

people like

> me a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> maligerers who should

>>>> >> > just snap

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > out

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of it and stop feeling

sorry for

> ourselves. But the

>> > experiance of

>>>> >> > PTSD

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> not present itself in this

fashion. The

> victim wants

>> > and is trying

>>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> come to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> terms with the incidents,

or in my case

> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> incidents, but she is

>>>> >> > unable

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> stop the mind looping and

constantly

> chatting on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about the cruelty

>>>> >> > of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> event.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > It is very much like

the min is

> percicuting me,

>> > blaming me

>>>> >> > for the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extreme

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> cruelty of another person.

My mind says

> you should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have done this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> and you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> should have done that and

why did you

> put up with it

>> > and look at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> you now

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> are so ill and you let this

happen etc

> etc. My mind

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> has difficulty

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> forgiving

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> me for not protecting

myself and feels

> responsibel

>> > for my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Fibromyalgia.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> It is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to fully explain this

because on a

> conscious

>> > level i know

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> this is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> not my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> fault and I know that at

the time there

> was nothing

>> > more i could

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>>

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > done

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> about what went on, but

part of me will

> not accept

>> > this, and I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> torment

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to death.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > this is what I am

refering to when

> I discuss

>> > obsessive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thinking. There

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> treatments available,

talking therapies,

> tapping, eye

>> > movement etc

>>>> >> > and I

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > do

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> work at these but

occasionally my

> obsessive thinking

>> > returns and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> when it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my symptoms of Fibromyalgia

flare up

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > For instance if i see

somebody

> being severly

>> > attacked on TV

>>>> >> > this can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> trigger my PTSD or if

somebody tells me

> my illness is

>> > all in my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> head, >>>

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> can trigger me, or if

people start going

> on about how

>> > we should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> forgive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> our

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> enemies and if we die not

forgiving them

> we will go

>> > to hell, this

>>>> >> > can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trigger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I know to other people

this thing

> might sound

>> > pathetic but it

>>>> >> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extremely

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> difficult for me to deal

with. i long

> just to be

>> > normal and to

>>>> >> > have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> responses to things. Not to

be crippled

> just because

>> > something not

>>>> >> > nice

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> has

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> just happened.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I do believe my PTSD

and

> Fibromyalgia are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> separate illnesses.

>>>> >> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> believe my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> PTSD is triggering the

Fibromyalgia. But

> to cure the

>> > later I must

>>>> >> > first

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> overcome the PTSD. if i do

not it will

> not matter how

>> > many

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> medicines,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> creams,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> therapies for my

Fibromyalgia I use it

> will still be

>> > triggered by

>>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> madness

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that is going on inside of

me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The good news is I am

doing really

> well with my

>> > PTSD and my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> Fibromyalgia is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> improving also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Kindest Regards

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

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have been

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[Guest guest]

your welcome Rosemarie

I enjoy reading up lifting posts from others as well.

Joy

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:15:56 AM

Subject: Re: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

Thanks nancy. Its nice to hear others share their life

On 8/14/09 8:42 PM, " Schultz " <youthfulfirecracker @yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> rosemarie,

> 4 is real young to do that.

> My memory of being 4 was that I didn't like the smell in the living room, my

> parents smoked.

> I would avoid my parents and the clouds of smoke when I was 4.

> We moved a lot and when I was 4 we lived in France.

> I was in kindergarten then.

> I rode the bus, and went to school, that was a nice memory,

> i would sleep ( or stay in bed til it was time for school) till time for

> school to avoid the living room.

> its amazing what we did and how early our memories are.

> I just thought I would add my two cents worth.

>

> Joy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Rosemarie Tropf <rosemarieintnet (DOT) net <mailto:rosemarie% 40intnet. net>

>

> To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

> <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:19:00 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

>

> Yes, I think that¹s true maria. I also was the peacemaker in my family as a

> child. I tried to take all their pain into me to make their life better. I

> remember thinking that when I was 4 years old. I said to myself, I¹m ok, I

> will just put my needs aside because these people are hurting and I don¹t

> want to add to their pain or their worry.² that began the dissociation for

> me. The experiences also involved alcohol and all the attendant

> violence/sexual abuse etc. I just kept saying to myself that I don¹t

> matter, I can take it. So, now I too am working out the the physical,

> spiritual and mental aspects of my life, but in many ways I am grateful for

> my life because overall I have become a better person and a more

> compassionate person too. My pain has driven me to try and understand life

> better.

>

> Sharing others life stories helps me heal too. thanks.

>

> On 8/9/09 8:17 PM, " maria betancourt " <studiosanmiguel@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > On a light note:

>> >

>> > What if....

>> > when God created us we were not from earth dust but stardust on the moon.

>> > He sent us down here because we all have that extra special light.

>> > So from now on...I am His moonchild.

>> >

>> > Come to think of it the dust on my sole has sparkle particle.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > From: Jill <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com

> <mailto:gray04red%

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 40yahoo.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Subject: Re:

PTSD and

> Obsessive thinking

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups.

com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi

acured%40yahoogr oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 5:44

PM

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I have had and still have PTSD. I

was abused as

> a child,

>> > developed

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> amnesia,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > then when an adult regained it. As

an adult, I

> also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experienced abuse.

>>>> >> > I >>

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Dissociative Identity Disorder with

this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The process of healing from the

childhood abuse

> took around

>> > 10 years,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > much shorter than usual. I used a

lot of prayer,

> a lot of

>> > positive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > auto-hypnosis tapes and therapy and

worked most

> days on the

>> > memories.

>>>> >> > Each

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > person in the group of

personalities had to

> process their

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> abuse. Then

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> I had

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > work on merging and eliminating

them when the

> healing (which

>> > did

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> include

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> true

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > forgiveness) was complete for each

smaller

> group.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The memories would come

spontaneously, and so I

> was in a high

>> > stress

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> situation

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > of great fear from reliving the

abuse. So, I

> ended up with

>> > adrenal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> problems,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > eating problems. Luckily, Grace of

God, I was

> sober and clean

>> > through

>>>> >> > most

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > it. I was sober but considered a

flake and so

> didn't have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sponsorship,

>>>> >> > but

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > did the best I could with the 12

step program.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The carbohydrates and sugars I ate

were a

> comfort to me, but

>> > I have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> damaged

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > body due to them.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > What I need and do is to keep

trusting HP that

> all these

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences

>>>> >> > will

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > serve a good purpose. That, as I

move through

> this life, I

>> > make the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> choices

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > that allow me to love myself and

others. That I

> use the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> experiences to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > compassion for everyone, not just

people who are

> like me.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Consciously choosing to be hopeful,

choosing to

> trust even if

>> > I don't

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> see a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > positive end yet, doing each day

what I can do

> to help myself

>> > and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> allow HP

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > bring me the help I need is my

challenge.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > My prayers and good wishes are for

all of us.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Jill in TX

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > PTSD is Post traumatic

stress

> disorder. It is a

>> > psychological

>>>> >> > illness

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > that

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develops following either

very prolonged

> stress or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> extreme trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> rape, witnessing a murder,

being force

> to kill

>> > somebody or

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> something like

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that. Basically what

happens is the mind

> is unable to

>> > cope with

>>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trauma

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and instead of taking the

trauma through

> its natural

>> > progress, i.e

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> denial,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anger, despair,

frustration, blame,

> guilt�etc to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> acceptance and

>>>> >> > moving

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> the mind gets trapped in

the early

> stages of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trauma response.

>>>> >> > It's a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> bit

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to explain. but

basically the

> person that is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering from

>>>> >> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> longs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to move to the acceptance

stage but the

> mind is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> simply unable to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> do this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> and�basically loops in

the earlier

> stages going

>> > from anger,

>>>> >> > blame

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> guilt,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> frustration, denial, to

frustration,

> guilt, anger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> blame and on and

>>>> >> > on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> there

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> is no respite from the

nightmare and

> this affects

>> > sleep, causes

>>>> >> > over

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> production of adrenaline,

often cravings

> for sugar,

>> > and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > individual

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > concerned, can end up

binge eating.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > In my case this is

what happened

> and after years

>> > of this I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> started to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> develop the symptoms of

Fibromyalgia,

> fatigue,

>> > allergies,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> arthritic pain,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> anxiety, Candida and so on.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Often when i see

doctors they are

> keen to fix my

>> > physical

>>>> >> > symptoms

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> which is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> OK but so long as my mind

is trapped in

> the abuse, I

>> > am reliving

>>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> everyday and every day I am

re- abusinf

> my adrenals,

>> > my opancreas,

>>>> >> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> muscles

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> etc

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Now many people think

people like

> me a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> maligerers who should

>>>> >> > just snap

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > out

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> of it and stop feeling

sorry for

> ourselves. But the

>> > experiance of

>>>> >> > PTSD

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> not present itself in this

fashion. The

> victim wants

>> > and is trying

>>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> come to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> terms with the incidents,

or in my case

> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> incidents, but she is

>>>> >> > unable

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> stop the mind looping and

constantly

> chatting on

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about the cruelty

>>>> >> > of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> event.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > It is very much like

the min is

> percicuting me,

>> > blaming me

>>>> >> > for the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extreme

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> cruelty of another person.

My mind says

> you should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have done this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> and you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> should have done that and

why did you

> put up with it

>> > and look at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> you now

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> are so ill and you let this

happen etc

> etc. My mind

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> has difficulty

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> forgiving

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> me for not protecting

myself and feels

> responsibel

>> > for my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Fibromyalgia.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> It is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> hard to fully explain this

because on a

> conscious

>> > level i know

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> this is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> not my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> fault and I know that at

the time there

> was nothing

>> > more i could

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>>

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > done

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> about what went on, but

part of me will

> not accept

>> > this, and I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> torment

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> to death.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > this is what I am

refering to when

> I discuss

>> > obsessive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thinking. There

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> treatments available,

talking therapies,

> tapping, eye

>> > movement etc

>>>> >> > and I

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > do

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> work at these but

occasionally my

> obsessive thinking

>> > returns and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> when it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> does

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> my symptoms of Fibromyalgia

flare up

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > For instance if i see

somebody

> being severly

>> > attacked on TV

>>>> >> > this can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> trigger my PTSD or if

somebody tells me

> my illness is

>> > all in my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> head, >>>

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> can trigger me, or if

people start going

> on about how

>> > we should

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> forgive

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> our

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> enemies and if we die not

forgiving them

> we will go

>> > to hell, this

>>>> >> > can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> trigger

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I know to other people

this thing

> might sound

>> > pathetic but it

>>>> >> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> extremely

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> difficult for me to deal

with. i long

> just to be

>> > normal and to

>>>> >> > have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> responses to things. Not to

be crippled

> just because

>> > something not

>>>> >> > nice

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> has

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> just happened.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > I do believe my PTSD

and

> Fibromyalgia are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> separate illnesses.

>>>> >> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> believe my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> PTSD is triggering the

Fibromyalgia. But

> to cure the

>> > later I must

>>>> >> > first

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> overcome the PTSD. if i do

not it will

> not matter how

>> > many

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> medicines,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> creams,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> therapies for my

Fibromyalgia I use it

> will still be

>> > triggered by

>>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> madness

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> that is going on inside of

me

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > The good news is I am

doing really

> well with my

>> > PTSD and my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> Fibromyalgia is

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> improving also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Kindest Regards

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > �

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

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have been

> removed]

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>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

[Guest guest]

wow

you too Jill

aleve is more helpful than ibuprophin

i may have to give it another shot.

Joy

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:28:48 AM

Subject: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

I'm also LDS. I miss meetings due to sleep problems and not getting it together

enough to ask for a ride to church. I don't have a car and the bus doesn't go on

Sundays.

I take analgesics twice a day -usually Aleve or Meloxicam work for me.

I found out the NSAIDs interfere with my losing weight, but I do need to

function at least a bit.

Good to meet you, .

-- In fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com, Schultz <youthfulfirecracke

r@...> wrote:

>

> Jill

>

> If I may ask " tell me its none of my business if you like "

> what is your faith?

> I have trouble sitting through my meetings.

> I am LDS

> if you don't know what that is I will be happy to explain more.

> thanks

> if you choose to answer

>

>

> Joy

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Jill <gray04red@. ..>

> To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:59:59 PM

> Subject: Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

>

>

>

> >

> While I was abstaining from dairy foods, I found soy, almond and rice cheese.

I think the Soy cheese actually melts! They come in Cheddar, mozzarella and

maybe jack flavors. They are hard cheeses and can be grated or sliced. I used

them on my Mexican and Italian food. Flavor was good but the cost is a bit high.

>

> Yams are different from white potatoes, they look reddish yellow, sweet

potatoes taste similar, they have a lower Glucose level than white potato - I

find them in regular grocery stores or in natural, organic stores.

>

> Good luck finding new things to try.

>

> I got to my Single Adults meeting last night as well as a talk about keeping

the sabbath and putting on the whole armor of God. I needed it - I've been

schlepping.

>

> Jill in TX

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. I have relatives who are LDS and they are the most wonderful

relatives I have.

>

>

>

>

> Yeah. Ok. We are not so bad lol

>

>

> Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>> > >

>> > While I was abstaining from dairy foods, I found soy, almond and rice

>> cheese. I think the Soy cheese actually melts! They come in Cheddar,

>> mozzarella and maybe jack flavors. They are hard cheeses and can be grated or

>> sliced. I used them on my Mexican and Italian food. Flavor was good but the

>> cost is a bit high.

>> >

>> > Yams are different from white potatoes, they look reddish yellow, sweet

>> potatoes taste similar, they have a lower Glucose level than white potato - I

>> find them in regular grocery stores or in natural, organic stores.

>> >

>> > Good luck finding new things to try.

>> >

>> > I got to my Single Adults meeting last night as well as a talk about

>> keeping the sabbath and putting on the whole armor of God. I needed it - I've

>> been schlepping.

>> >

>> > Jill in TX

>> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks again

Re: PTSD and Obsessive thinking

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> >

>>>>>> >>> > >

>>>> >> > While I was abstaining from dairy foods, I found soy, almond and rice

>>> >> cheese. I think the Soy cheese actually melts! They come in Cheddar,

>>> >> mozzarella and maybe jack flavors. They are hard cheeses and can be

>>> grated or

>>> >> sliced. I used them on my Mexican and Italian food. Flavor was good but

>>> the

>>> >> cost is a bit high.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Yams are different from white potatoes, they look reddish yellow, >>>>

sweet

>>> >> potatoes taste similar, they have a lower Glucose level than white potato

>>> - I

>>> >> find them in regular grocery stores or in natural, organic stores.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Good luck finding new things to try.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > I got to my Single Adults meeting last night as well as a talk about

>>> >> keeping the sabbath and putting on the whole armor of God. I needed it -

>>> I've

>>> >> been schlepping.

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Jill in TX

>>>> >> >

>> >

>> >