Guest guest Posted August 19, 2000 Report Share Posted August 19, 2000 In a message dated 08/18/2000 10:16:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sandy46@... writes: << I haven't gone on the Atkins Diet.. >> I have done this, it does work, I do high fat, low carb, it lowerd my cholestrol (tryglycerides), and blood pressure, I used to take 5 pills a day for high bp, now one ace inhibitor for kidney protection. I still use insulin, have more than cut my insulin in half, but I haven't lost weight on it, so go figure!!! LOL :-) I don't do super low though, around 100 a day. As in any eating plan, its all individual, my endo says every single case of diabetes is different, thats why so difficult to treat. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2000 Report Share Posted August 19, 2000 Now I'm eating low fat as well as low carb. I avoid > any fat I can. Sam, That's another reason that I haven't gone on the Atkins Diet... I don't want to trade one problem -- high blood sugar -- for another -- high cholesterol. I'm trying to make the lower fat choices, but I won't choose low fat if it means higher sugar, such as low fat mayo. I can't say it doesn't work, though, when trying to lose weight... several friends have lost large amounts on it. Sandy Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2000 Report Share Posted August 20, 2000 In a message dated 08/19/2000 1:51:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sandy46@... writes: << My doctor has tried me on every ace inhibitor for kidney protection, >> Yes some will produce horrible coughs, ask again you need it if you're a diabetic, there is a class of drugs called angiotensin II receptor (type AT1)antagonist Cozaar is one of the drugs for this purpose and doesn't have the side effects many can't handle with the ace inhibitor, your dr should know these drugs, it might be your answer.see if theres a generic like it, it protects kidneys too. Hope this helps carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2000 Report Share Posted August 20, 2000 In a message dated 08/20/2000 8:58:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sandy46@... writes: << Yes, my doctor did mention these drugs, but he said that the side effects were headaches.. >> doesn't mean you'll get them, I would at least try, take some tylenol. headache I would think would be preferable to kidney failure, no? :-) good luck carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 Hi Sandy, There is nothing wrong with lowering your fat intake on Atkins if you wish. You're right about the animal fats... they make you feel full and satisfied. The reason the typical high fat, high carb American diet causes heart attacks is that it is the COMBINATION of fats and carbs that cause your cholesterol to rise. When you eliminate the high level of carbs, your cholesterol levels drop like crazy. The whole diet was created to help people with heart problems. Meenie Re: Cholesterol > > > If you can find the book , read it... look in the library. > > It is very informative, has several good recipes, and gives lists of > > foods > > that you may and may not have. > > the nice thing about this woe is that there is always something you can > > eat. > > I am using Atkins to devise my own eating plan, as I think, for me, there is > too much protein and salt, such as in bacon, ham, sausage, etc. I try to > choose chicken breast, turkey, etc. as often as I can. I am also trying to > limit my carbs to the low glycemic ones, such as most of the green veggies. > It's working, as my blood sugar is steadily dropping. I just don't > understand the emphasis on animal fats in Atkins... so we don't feel > deprived? I happen to love the taste of extra virgin olive oil :-) One of > my favorite lunches lately is diced Roma tomatoes, minced fresh garlic, and > small chunks of mozzarellaz cheese, with extra virgin olive oil and red wine > vinegar. Yum! Very few carbs.... > > Sandy > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 > My doctor has tried me on every ace inhibitor for kidney protection, and I > can't take them... can't breathe. Interesting that it lowered your > cholesterol even though you didn't lose weight. She was referring to the low carb diet which lowered her cholesterol not the ace inhibitor. If you are at a good weight then you are very probably what some call a type 2 1/2 or a Type X diabetic. Some type 2's - the ones who are overweight... have become resistant to their own insulin. Losing weight helps the cells to become less resistant so that helps their bg's get lower. People who aren't overweight are more likely to be having a problem creating enough insulin, rather than being resistant (altho that can figure into it also) Hope that makes some sense! Meenie Personally, I'm not really > interested in losing weight unless it would lower my blood sugar, and I > doubt that it would, since my blood sugar was low last year at this time, > and I haven't lost or gained a lb. in 3 years. I'm happy with my weight... > > Sandy > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 > > That's another reason that I haven't gone on the Atkins Diet... I don't want > to trade one problem -- high blood sugar -- for another -- high cholesterol. It's been shown again and again that Atkins lowers cholesterol. Read his book to understand why. check out Atkins_Support_List for some real people and their cholesterol drops Meenie > I'm trying to make the lower fat choices, but I won't choose low fat if it > means higher sugar, such as low fat mayo. I can't say it doesn't work, > though, when trying to lose weight... several friends have lost large > amounts on it. > > Sandy > > Sandy > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 > Yes some will produce horrible coughs, ask again you need it if you're a > diabetic, there is a class of drugs called angiotensin II receptor (type > AT1)antagonist Cozaar is one of the drugs for this purpose and doesn't > have the side effects many can't handle with the ace inhibitor, your dr > should know these drugs, it might be your answer.see if theres a generic like > it, it protects kidneys too. Yes, my doctor did mention these drugs, but he said that the side effects were headaches... I just didn't want to try a new drug. I never got to the coughing stage with accuprill.... I just couldn't breathe. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 > << I know you're right... I already suffer from headaches, though, and they > can > be pretty awful. Have to take extra strength Tylenol, and that doesn't > always work. >> Thanks... you're right, though. The meds you're talking about may not cause headaches. I should try them. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 In a message dated 08/21/2000 11:23:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, midnight@... writes: << Not enough water puts a strain on the kidneys...it is better for the kidneys to be constantly filtering, as the longer between elimination, the better chance for bacteria to grow! >> i have a real problem with water, I gag on it, was always afraid of fluid overload, a life threatening condition of too much fluid and not adequate output. Sure enough, while I was at the hospital for hernia repair surgery about 6 weeks ago, didn't I end up with fluid overload!!!! The idiot dr's forgot to order my diuretics that I've been on for over 15 yrs!!! Lots of IV fluid though. So now I know if I can't urinate, I stop drinking fluids!!! I was very lethargic for 3 days and really don't remember too much. I drink lots of diet soda, about 64 oz a day. with nutra sweet or splenda, but still fluid, so goes to show I need to get over this!!! LOL I've been on zestril for 15 yrs, so I don't have any kidney problems, except during fluid overload, and no heart disease because I've been on estrogen patches for years. I guess it really does protect the heart. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 Hi Sandy, I understand completely My father had severe hardening of the arteries and was senile in his 60's. His brother dropped dead from a heart attack in his 40's. My mother had CHF (congestive heart failure). I was afraid of eating this way too but as they say, the proof is in the pudding. Seeing those numbers drop, and seeing them drop for others is exciting. The fact that Atkins is a cardiologist is encouraging. And seeing my bg's normalize is wonderful - might as well have a heart attack as be on dialysis - and high bg's cause heart damage too. Also, I work in a hospital and am seeing more and more of the doctors following this way of eating, so thats motivational Just a few years ago all the docs and dieticians were saying NO to Atkins - since they learned different tricks too but now some of them are actually following it, many others are saying welll... lets see how it works. My suggestion to anyone starting is get checked out. If your heart, kidneys, etc all check out healthy then try it for a month and see how you feel. After 6 months get your labs checked again and see if they aren't better. If you don't feel better, see good results, and have better labs, go back to low fat Meenie > I have the book, and I am reading it... my best friend is a dietician who is > recommending it highly... still, you know what they say about teaching old > dogs new tricks :-) My brother just died of a heart attack two years ago -- > he was only 46. My dad has conjestive heart failure... I am literally > afraid to get a taste for those foods. > > Sandy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 You can get all the same vitamins from veggies that you get from fruits, just lose the sugar As to the grains, once you lose the weight you'll be less insulin resistant and will be able to increase your carbs somewhat. You can have some grains then. So the tight portion of the diet, when you need the extra vitamins and minerals, is temporary. I consider a good multi vitamin with minerals (I use Radience - found in my grocery store) a good thing no matter what kind of diet you may be following (or when you aren't dieting). I Take a multi vitamin, vit C, vit E, and a fish oil capsule every day. I don't take Atkins supplements. At first I did but after talking with people who'd been on Atkins for years I discovered there was no need to pay all that extra price . Some people take potassium during that first week - says it helps them get thru that punky carb withdrawel period Just don't take more than the minimum dose pill (think it's like 99 mgm) cause it is something you can take too much of. Likewise with Vitamin A. I took 2 multivitimins a day during the two week induction, then went to 1 a day after that. Meenie > Okay... I know I'm resistant :-) What about the vitamins from fruits, > vegetables, and grains? I don't think vitamin pills are an adequate > substitute. > > Sandy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 In a message dated 08/21/2000 8:42:50 AM Central Daylight Time, sandy46@... writes: << vit C, vit E, and a > fish oil capsule every day. >> Why the fish oil?? linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 In a message dated 08/21/2000 1:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sandy46@... writes: << Forgive my ignorance.. >> not ignorant, at one time I didn't know either. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 In a message dated 08/21/2000 1:01:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sandy46@... writes: << bladder infections.... >> what is the bacteria? Mine used to be ecoli which comes from stool, turned out mine was stool leaking into bladder, check it out, the bacteria I mean. I ended up losing my whole colon because a dr kept insisting my problem was " routine " bladder infections. Hole in intestine grew bigger and bigger, called fistulas. Not to mean this will happen to you, just saying what happened to me. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 In a message dated 08/21/2000 1:11:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lctoocool@... writes: << In a message dated 08/21/2000 8:42:50 AM Central Daylight Time, sandy46@... writes: << vit C, vit E, and a > fish oil capsule every day. >> Why the fish oil?? >> My endo recommends this " cocktail " vitamin C 500mg , Vit E 800 i.u., folic acid 1mg, 1 baby aspirin 81mg, 1 aspirin 325mg once a week (can't do this one, my tummy) with multi vit every day I used to take all kinds of supplements but don't work, was just wasting my money. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 In a message dated 08/21/2000 2:15:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sandy46@... writes: << oing okay now? >> Yes, thanks for asking, I wouldn't worry, mine was crohns disease, a hereditary intestinal disease. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 Two years ago my potassium level was " critically " high, the doctor's word, not mine. Besides a delayed enema I was given copious amounts of some substance intravenously as well as beaux coup needles in other parts of my body. It came down in about 6 hours but it sure was an interesting time astrocarly@... wrote: > In a message dated 08/21/2000 9:42:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > sandy46@... writes: > > << have is much potassium >> > > careful of potassium, you don't need extra unless blood work warrants it, > dangerous if too high. You'll regret it, it'll require a trip to hospital to > get it down and it isn't fun!!! LOL > I used to give a molasses color and thickness like enema to people with high > potassium to get it lower, (k-x-alate sp?) no other way, that was a few years > ago though, maybe theres a better way now, but even with some diuretic use > you don't need extra. I take massive doses of bumex, and don't need extra > potassium > Many veggies have it, I used to get it from fruit. > Just a tip > carol > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 > do you drink cola? Sometimes high amounts phosphorous will spill protein and > once stopped so does the protein. No... not anymore. I haven't drunk much for a couple of years, so I don't think that's the problem. That's interesting, though... I didn't know that. > If you do switch to diet clear sodas, check labels to make sure. I prefer Sweppes lime seltzer with an extra squeeze of lime. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 Besides a delayed enema I was given copious amounts of some substance > intravenously as well as beaux coup needles in other parts of my body. It came > down in about 6 hours but it sure was an interesting time Ooh... doesn't sound fun... Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 > >That's my problem... the kidneys... not advanced, but the tests showed >protein in my urine. The numbers were not too high, but it's there. > >Sandy > When I was a practicing midwife, protein in the urine would mean that you were protien starved, and we would put our clients on a turkey and lettuce fast for a day, and it would clear up! Also to note that for me, pre diagnosis and pre Atkins I had bladder and kidney infections almost monthly. No more for me! (Thank heavens) I think that one unfamiliar with Atkins buys into the myth that a person eats a pound of bacon and butter a day! not so. I eat tons of veggies and some meat. If I ate like people think I would hate it, especially in the summer! Also are you getting enough water????? A person needs about 3 quarts of water a day. I found that after I was diagnosed I was drinking less (not as thirsty), so now I keep bottled water with me at all times and make sure I am drinking those 3 quarts! Not enough water puts a strain on the kidneys...it is better for the kidneys to be constantly filtering, as the longer between elimination, the better chance for bacteria to grow! S ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º " One resolution I have made, and try always to keep, is this: 'To rise above little things.' " - Burroughs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 O'Neil, what precautions do you use now? I admit ignorance ot high potassium problems, I thought it was low pot that caused most problems. Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 > i have a real problem with water, I gag on it, was always afraid of fluid > overload, a life threatening condition of too much fluid and not adequate > output Carol, Forgive my ignorance... I didn't think that was possible -- unless one had kidney disease. That's scary! I drink water all day long, but if anything, I tend towards dehydration. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 When I was a practicing midwife, protein in the urine would mean that you were protien starved, and we would put our clients on a turkey and lettuce fast for a day, and it would clear up! Really?!? I am learning so much on this list... Also to note that for me, pre diagnosis and pre Atkins I had bladder and kidney infections almost monthly. No more for me! (Thank heavens) I have the same problem -- not kidney infections but bladder infections.... so many that I have to have regular dilations every 3 mos. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 I found that after I was diagnosed I was drinking less (not as thirsty), so now I keep bottled water with me at all times and make sure I am drinking those 3 quarts! , I don't know how much I drink, but I buy a case of bottled water at Sam's and keep a bottle with me all the time, including in the car. I don't want to be stranded without water. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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