Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Hello a, I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt a difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with borderline thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. After 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially used it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for that client. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed as requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand they can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > > a > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Hi a the Brassica effect has sound physiological basis. Horseradish is particularly to be avoided.Soya also to be avoided. (No myth - empiric tradition borne out by scientific investigation) Withania increases production of thyroxine. Sally Owen peppercat wrote: > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed as requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand they can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > > a > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Hi Lorraine thats an interesting result as most of the research Ive done on hashimotos says to avoid iodine as it generally makes things worse - maybe as she was only borderline the antibody count might have been quite low ? also the brassica thing is mainly to do with uncooked forms - eaten in normal amounts cooked they dont really have a negative effect on the thyroid regards ,annette Re: Hypothyroid query Hello a, I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt a difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with borderline thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. After 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially used it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for that client. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed as requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand they can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > > a > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Hello Annette, This wasn't Hashimotos. I first treated with a strong stress mixture using tinctures as clearly health was being aggravated by this. As things settled a thyroid test revealed low amounts of antibodies as you suggest. I constructed a formula then 'found' the product mentioned. It was so close to what I had prescribed and all in one easy package that I decided to prescribe it for 2-3 months. A further thyroid after this time showed everything returned to normal and client feeling well. I've always been under the impression that brassicas in general inhibit the thyroid function so would avoid in hyprothyroidism. Lorraine > > > Hi Lorraine > thats an interesting result as most of the research Ive done on hashimotos > says to avoid iodine as it generally makes things worse - maybe as she was > only borderline the antibody count might have been quite low ? > also the brassica thing is mainly to do with uncooked forms - eaten in > normal amounts cooked they dont really have a negative effect on the thyroid > regards ,annette > > > Re: Hypothyroid query > > Hello a, > I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own > supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: > > > http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 > > I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt a > difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with borderline > thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. After > 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms > initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as > maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! > > You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially used > it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for > that client. > > Lorraine > > Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > HERBS AND HELPERS > 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > www.herbalmedicineuk.com > > > > > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed as > requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating > seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription > and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > > > > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand they > can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > > > > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe > according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > > > > a > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Dear a, There is quite alot of information regarding the use of sea vegetables and thyroid function at: > http://www.ryandrum.com/thyroid1.html Hope this helps, Kerry .. > __,_._,__ -- Kerry Hackett, MNIMH, RH Medical Herbalist www.kerryhackett.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Hi lorraine Im slightly confused when you say it wasnt Hashimotos as that is auto immune hypothyroidism ie the presence of antibodies to either thyroid peroxidase or thyroglobulin. what were her antibodies to? most experts on thyroid health agree that it is the raw form of brassicas that are the issue. regards ,annette Re: Hypothyroid query >> >> Hello a, >> I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own >> supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: >> >> >> http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 >> >> I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt >> a >> difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with >> borderline >> thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. >> After >> 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms >> initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as >> maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! >> >> You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially >> used >> it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for >> that client. >> >> Lorraine >> >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM >> HERBS AND HELPERS >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com >> >> >> >> > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed >> > as >> requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating >> seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription >> and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? >> > >> > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand >> > they >> can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? >> > >> > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe >> according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. >> > >> > a >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Hi erica your patient ideally also needs to avoid fluoride toothpaste plus peanuts and pine nuts . regards ,annette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Hi Annette, I always think of Hashimotos as the full blown form of the disease with what I would term raging fire. However in this case i viewed it as only the start of a mild condition. If you read Drums stuff then you can see that this treatment was appropriate. As explained before I was in the process of gathering and preparing my own seaweeds to use. Hope this explains, it's my interpretation. I've never drawn the line between cooked or uncoiled brassicas can you explain more please. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Hi lorraine > Im slightly confused when you say it wasnt Hashimotos as that is auto immune > hypothyroidism ie the presence of antibodies to either thyroid peroxidase or > thyroglobulin. what were her antibodies to? > most experts on thyroid health agree that it is the raw form of brassicas > that are the issue. > regards ,annette > > Re: Hypothyroid query > >> > >> Hello a, > >> I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own > >> supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: > >> > >> > >> http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 > >> > >> I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt > >> a > >> difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with > >> borderline > >> thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. > >> After > >> 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms > >> initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as > >> maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! > >> > >> You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially > >> used > >> it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for > >> that client. > >> > >> Lorraine > >> > >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > >> HERBS AND HELPERS > >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed > >> > as > >> requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating > >> seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription > >> and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > >> > > >> > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand > >> > they > >> can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > >> > > >> > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe > >> according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > >> > > >> > a > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Hello Annette, Please find below a wider definition: The underlying specifics of the immune system destruction of thyroid cells is not clearly understood. Various autoantibodies may be present against thyroid peroxidase, thyroglobulin and TSH receptors, although a small percentage of patients may have none of these antibodies present. A percentage of the population may also have these antibodies without developing Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Hi lorraine > Im slightly confused when you say it wasnt Hashimotos as that is auto immune > hypothyroidism ie the presence of antibodies to either thyroid peroxidase or > thyroglobulin. what were her antibodies to? > most experts on thyroid health agree that it is the raw form of brassicas > that are the issue. > regards ,annette > > Re: Hypothyroid query > >> > >> Hello a, > >> I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own > >> supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: > >> > >> > >> http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 > >> > >> I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt > >> a > >> difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with > >> borderline > >> thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. > >> After > >> 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms > >> initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as > >> maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! > >> > >> You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially > >> used > >> it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for > >> that client. > >> > >> Lorraine > >> > >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > >> HERBS AND HELPERS > >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed > >> > as > >> requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating > >> seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription > >> and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > >> > > >> > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand > >> > they > >> can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > >> > > >> > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe > >> according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > >> > > >> > a > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Hello Annette, I also think that this better explains the mechanism: Physiologically, antibodies to thyroid peroxidase and/or thyroglobulin cause gradual destruction offollicles in the thyroid gland. Accordingly, the disease can be detected clinically by looking for these antibodies in the blood. It is also characterised by invasion of the thyroid tissue byleukocytes, chiefly T-lymphocytes. Ord's thyroiditis usually results in hypothyroidism. Transient hyperthyroid states in the acute phase, a common observation in Hashimoto's thyroiditis, are rare in Ord's disease. I usually associate a much more acute full blown condition with Hashimotos. Just my personal view. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Hi lorraine > Im slightly confused when you say it wasnt Hashimotos as that is auto immune > hypothyroidism ie the presence of antibodies to either thyroid peroxidase or > thyroglobulin. what were her antibodies to? > most experts on thyroid health agree that it is the raw form of brassicas > that are the issue. > regards ,annette > > Re: Hypothyroid query > >> > >> Hello a, > >> I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own > >> supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: > >> > >> > >> http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 > >> > >> I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt > >> a > >> difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with > >> borderline > >> thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. > >> After > >> 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms > >> initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as > >> maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! > >> > >> You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially > >> used > >> it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for > >> that client. > >> > >> Lorraine > >> > >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > >> HERBS AND HELPERS > >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed > >> > as > >> requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating > >> seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription > >> and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > >> > > >> > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand > >> > they > >> can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > >> > > >> > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe > >> according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > >> > > >> > a > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Hi Lorraine many people with hashimotos have none or few symptoms of hypothyroidism -it is a diagnosis based on the presence of one or both types of antibody that I mentioned.It will usually progress to " full blown " hypothyroidism as the thyroid becomes more and more destroyed by the antibodies over time. its quite intersting reading Drums article as I had some personal correspondence with him about 5 or 6 years ago where he counselled against iodine in the presence of thyroid antibodies - maybe he has changed his mind I will have to look out the various references and books that elaborate further on how cooked brassicas - eaten in " normal " quantities do not seem to have the goitrogenic capacity of raw. regards ,annette Re: Hypothyroid query > >> > >> Hello a, > >> I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own > >> supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: > >> > >> > >> http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 > >> > >> I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt > >> a > >> difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with > >> borderline > >> thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. > >> After > >> 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms > >> initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as > >> maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! > >> > >> You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially > >> used > >> it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for > >> that client. > >> > >> Lorraine > >> > >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > >> HERBS AND HELPERS > >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed > >> > as > >> requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating > >> seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription > >> and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > >> > > >> > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand > >> > they > >> can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > >> > > >> > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe > >> according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > >> > > >> > a > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Thanks Annette, I'll review the Drum stuff. I had the impression that it was okay to give seaweed in this condition which I was going to do, but gave the supplement advised as it seemed closer to the whole package I thought the patient needed. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Hi Lorraine > many people with hashimotos have none or few symptoms of hypothyroidism -it is a diagnosis based on the presence of one or both types of antibody that I mentioned.It will usually progress to " full blown " hypothyroidism as the thyroid becomes more and more destroyed by the antibodies over time. its quite intersting reading Drums article as I had some personal correspondence with him about 5 or 6 years ago where he counselled against iodine in the presence of thyroid antibodies - maybe he has changed his mind > I will have to look out the various references and books that elaborate further on how cooked brassicas - eaten in " normal " quantities do not seem to have the goitrogenic capacity of raw. > regards ,annette > > Re: Hypothyroid query > > >> > > >> Hello a, > > >> I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own > > >> supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: > > >> > > >> > > >> http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 > > >> > > >> I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt > > >> a > > >> difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with > > >> borderline > > >> thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. > > >> After > > >> 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms > > >> initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as > > >> maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! > > >> > > >> You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially > > >> used > > >> it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for > > >> that client. > > >> > > >> Lorraine > > >> > > >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > > >> HERBS AND HELPERS > > >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > > >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > > >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > > >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > > >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed > > >> > as > > >> requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating > > >> seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription > > >> and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > > >> > > > >> > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand > > >> > they > > >> can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > > >> > > > >> > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe > > >> according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > > >> > > > >> > a > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Hi Annette, Please find from Drum: 8. In Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, immune modulation is suggested. The idea is to mitigate if not reverse the immune management decision to attack and possibly destroy the thyroid gland. I recommend the immune-modulating botanicals, particularly Ganoderma mushroom broth and tinctures of Ganoderma and Eleuthrococcus. the supplement contains these agents, also in the same article I can't find a reference directly to not using iodine/sea vegetables in this context. There is as expected lots of warnings to not use in Graves disease. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Hi Lorraine > many people with hashimotos have none or few symptoms of hypothyroidism -it is a diagnosis based on the presence of one or both types of antibody that I mentioned.It will usually progress to " full blown " hypothyroidism as the thyroid becomes more and more destroyed by the antibodies over time. its quite intersting reading Drums article as I had some personal correspondence with him about 5 or 6 years ago where he counselled against iodine in the presence of thyroid antibodies - maybe he has changed his mind > I will have to look out the various references and books that elaborate further on how cooked brassicas - eaten in " normal " quantities do not seem to have the goitrogenic capacity of raw. > regards ,annette > > Re: Hypothyroid query > > >> > > >> Hello a, > > >> I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own > > >> supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: > > >> > > >> > > >> http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 > > >> > > >> I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt > > >> a > > >> difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with > > >> borderline > > >> thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. > > >> After > > >> 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms > > >> initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as > > >> maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! > > >> > > >> You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially > > >> used > > >> it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for > > >> that client. > > >> > > >> Lorraine > > >> > > >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > > >> HERBS AND HELPERS > > >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > > >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > > >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > > >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > > >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed > > >> > as > > >> requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating > > >> seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription > > >> and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > > >> > > > >> > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand > > >> > they > > >> can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > > >> > > > >> > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe > > >> according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > > >> > > > >> > a > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Hi lorraine as someone who has Hashimotos my experience was of having no symptoms of hypothyroidism at first just the presence of anti TPO - and I know Im not alone in this! it is the gradual destruction of the thyroid gland that then brings about more overt symptoms . my symptoms did not particularly increase but unfortunately my antibody count did over a period of 5 years despite using the whole gamut of supplements and herbs regards ,annette Re: Hypothyroid query > >> > >> Hello a, > >> I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own > >> supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: > >> > >> > >> http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 > >> > >> I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt > >> a > >> difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with > >> borderline > >> thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. > >> After > >> 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms > >> initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as > >> maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! > >> > >> You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially > >> used > >> it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for > >> that client. > >> > >> Lorraine > >> > >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > >> HERBS AND HELPERS > >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed > >> > as > >> requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating > >> seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription > >> and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > >> > > >> > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand > >> > they > >> can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > >> > > >> > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe > >> according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > >> > > >> > a > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Hi again no as I said it was personal correspondence about the use of iodine and this article must represent his change of mind over the last 5 or 6 years regards ,annette Re: Hypothyroid query Hi Annette, Please find from Drum: 8. In Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, immune modulation is suggested. The idea is to mitigate if not reverse the immune management decision to , also in the same article I can't find a reference directly to not using iodine/sea vegetables in this context. There is as expected lots of warnings to not use in Graves disease. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 It would be my thinking that a failing thyroid would need supporting, my aim was regulation. The client did not have Graves disease or any signs other than mildly raised antibody levels. It seems that things were normalised. As far as I know still okay. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Hi Lorraine > many people with hashimotos have none or few symptoms of hypothyroidism -it is a diagnosis based on the presence of one or both types of antibody that I mentioned.It will usually progress to " full blown " hypothyroidism as the thyroid becomes more and more destroyed by the antibodies over time. its quite intersting reading Drums article as I had some personal correspondence with him about 5 or 6 years ago where he counselled against iodine in the presence of thyroid antibodies - maybe he has changed his mind > I will have to look out the various references and books that elaborate further on how cooked brassicas - eaten in " normal " quantities do not seem to have the goitrogenic capacity of raw. > regards ,annette > > Re: Hypothyroid query > > >> > > >> Hello a, > > >> I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own > > >> supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: > > >> > > >> > > >> http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 > > >> > > >> I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt > > >> a > > >> difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with > > >> borderline > > >> thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. > > >> After > > >> 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms > > >> initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as > > >> maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! > > >> > > >> You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially > > >> used > > >> it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for > > >> that client. > > >> > > >> Lorraine > > >> > > >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > > >> HERBS AND HELPERS > > >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > > >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > > >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > > >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > > >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed > > >> > as > > >> requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating > > >> seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription > > >> and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > > >> > > > >> > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand > > >> > they > > >> can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > > >> > > > >> > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe > > >> according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > > >> > > > >> > a > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I'm sorry to hear that Annette, Clearly every case is different, I've heard no more from this case, I'm assuming all is well and the client is also being monitored. In the past treating hyperthyroidism I've had a couple of cases that responded for about two years to herbal control but then had an episode which escaped control and medication was needed. I understand these things are very individual and that ultimately all the subtle signs determine treatment for each. I think I'd only seriously rethink if response was unexpected. I deliberately wanted 'light touch' in this case as condition seemed mild and previous response good. It's probably more down to individual differences than anything else. I thought the response was mainly stress induced not at this stage involving serious auto immune dysfunction. Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM HERBS AND HELPERS 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com > Hi lorraine > as someone who has Hashimotos my experience was of having no symptoms of hypothyroidism at first just the presence of anti TPO - and I know Im not alone in this! it is the gradual destruction of the thyroid gland that then brings about more overt symptoms . my symptoms did not particularly increase but unfortunately my antibody count did over a period of 5 years despite using the whole gamut of supplements and herbs > regards ,annette > > Re: Hypothyroid query > > >> > > >> Hello a, > > >> I've looked into the seaweed issue a lot and was busy collecting my own > > >> supply to process. However in the meantime I discovered this: > > >> > > >> > > >> http://herbalmedicineuk.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=107 & products_id=1177 > > >> > > >> I used some of these products myself and found they 'worked' as in I felt > > >> a > > >> difference taking them. I then used the above on a patient with > > >> borderline > > >> thyroid issues not quite disease but definately anti bodies present. > > >> After > > >> 2-3 months all thyroid tests were normal. I also treated stress symptoms > > >> initially. I was so impressed with the product that I now it first and as > > >> maintenance. I've abandoned the seaweed thing for now! > > >> > > >> You may want to use the ingredients as a guide, the reason I initially > > >> used > > >> it was because it was sooo close to a prescription I had constructed for > > >> that client. > > >> > > >> Lorraine > > >> > > >> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM > > >> HERBS AND HELPERS > > >> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth, > > >> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. > > >> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 > > >> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) > > >> www.herbalmedicineuk.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I have a new patient coming in a fortnight who has just been diagnosed > > >> > as > > >> requiring thyroxine. She is keen to minimise the dose and is " eating > > >> seaweed " . I just wondered if I should also put Fucus in her prescription > > >> and/or recommend kelp tablets or will eating it be enough? > > >> > > > >> > Also should I suggest she minimised brassica eating as I understand > > >> > they > > >> can suppress thyroid function or is that a myth? > > >> > > > >> > I don't know anything else about her yet and obviously will prescribe > > >> according to what I find but haven't treated hypothyroid before. > > >> > > > >> > a > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Thank you to all have responded to my query on this - it seems to have sparked quite a lively discussion which is great. I now feel much better prepared to see this new client armed with plenty of questions and advice. I'll try and remember to let the list know how it goes in a month or two when I've chance to treat her. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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