Re: New member saying hi

Posted September 5, 2009 · September 5, 2009

>

> Thanks Marsha,

> I'm not old enough for medicare as I'm 63. I am going to contact a group that

helps pay for the operation, so it can be done before I leave Amarillo.

>

> Good luck with your operation, I'd like to hear more about it as I haven't yet

research what is involved with it.

>

> Jill in TX

Hi Jill,

Hope you don't mind the personal question, and you can email me off list.

With your vision, and hearing problems, you could get food stamps(card). You may

be eligible for medicaid as well. My father did well when he had his cataract

surgery. I have the early beginnings of cataracts, but it may not get worse.

C.

Posted September 5, 2009 · September 5, 2009

I used the be the first one. and then something changed.

i don't even know what.

now I am the 2nd and thank God for that.

thanks Joanne, you always make a great point.

: )

Joy

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 9:18:16 AM

Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi

I believe there is our true self and our false self. for me my false self is

angry bitter, negative, worn down, lacks hope and fath, believes in nothing

imaginary, curses, cannot sleep, feels victimised, hates, holds resentments,

blames, is full of self pity, has pain, and allergy and hormoe trouble and

binges, is sad, is lost, has no self love and works o auto piliot. My true self

is serene, full of joy and faith, she enjoys life, belives in god believes she

is getting well, is full of hope, is a joy to be around, is calm and patient and

unflustered. She ejoys the imaginary, seeks out spirituality, has friends who

have an healig influence, cares about me, loves me, lifts me up, heals me, loves

music and nature and art ad poetry and prays and meditates and.........

.......... ....

Love Joanne

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Thanks for everyone's help. I stopped the

diazepam and

> the sleeping

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > 3

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > days ago and cut myself down from 60 mg a

day of

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine to 40mg a

>> > day

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > yesterday.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > The pain is bad, i'm hoping its from the

cut back of

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine, have

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> runs,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > runny nose and feel like i have a dozen

ferrets

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> squirming around in

>> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > stomach. After being on diazepam for years

my nerves are

> a mess, im

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> dropping

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > things, jumping at every noise and my

vision is being

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> affected, the

>> > walls

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> look

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > to be moving.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Its only when i come off these tablets that

i realise i

> need them

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> to sleep,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > i,m wide awake right now at 3.38. am. I had

2 bottles of

> beer

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tonight so

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > that's a big cut down for me. I know things

have to get

> worse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> before they

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> get

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > better, but I'm trying to get off this

stuff as someone

> said these

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > give the same side effects as FM.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > On a good note, i am losing weight with the

runs and

> being sick.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Rhonda its

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > funny but my ibs is caused by wheat and

dairy products

> and spicy

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods so i

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > know what your saying.I am trying to get

off these meds

> so i can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> try the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > meds you all recommend for FM. Its so easy

to take the

> stuff from

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> the docs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> but

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > much harder to leave them alone

after-wards. I,m

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> starting to think

>> > i have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> cut

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > back too fast but realise it could be the

withdrawal

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wanting me to

>> > take

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> them

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > again.I have stopped my multi vitamins,

ginseng etc as

> well so

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> having a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> real

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > good detox, just fruit, vegetables and

water and a

> little real

>> > meat.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > If anyone needs any help by email, i,m

here, i need to

> keep myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> occupied

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > without moving around too much at the

moment.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Just to cheer anyone up that cant sleep

(like me) i was

> looking at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> a dvd >>

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sale that shows sheep jumping over a gate

to help people

> sleep.You

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> count >>

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sheep rather than having to imagine

counting them in

> your

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> head....whatever

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > next

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hope everyone has a good day tomorrow, if

not then a

> better day

>> > than

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> today....

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > From: rsonby <rsonbygmail (DOT) com

<mailto:rsonby%

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr

oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 2:11:02

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Subject: Re: New member

saying hi

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hi New member, I am kind of new here myself

as I have

> been lurking

>> > for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> awhile

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and I don't always have time to look at all

my e-mail. I

> saw your

>> > post

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> though

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and felt I had to reply. I have

fibromyalgia and IBS. I

> will tell

>> > you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > something that made my IBS go away and also

helped a lot

> with the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> pain of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Fibro. My doctor took blood samples and had

them tested

> for what

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods I >>

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > was

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sensitive to. It turns out I was sensitive

to a lot.

> Wheat, Corn,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> milk, and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > chicken were the big ones. When I

eliminated these foods

> from my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> diet my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> pain

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > levels went way down and my IBS went AWAY!

The experts

> told me that

>> > it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> didn't

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > matter what I ate for the IBS, boy were

they wrong! I

> would

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> encourage you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > get your blood tested too. You might have

to go to a

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> naturalpathic

>> > doctor

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > this as They MDs don't seem to know about

this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I have started a new treatment for fibro

which also

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> works for a lot

>> > of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > problems too. Its called LDN or Low Dose

Naltrexone.

> There have

>> > been

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> studies

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and a large number of people on the

internet who are

> taking this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> and are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > having positive results. Even people with

Multiple

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sclerosis! My

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Naturalpathic doctor recommeded to me after

a great

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> success with a

>> > lupus

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > patient. The only problem for you with this

would be the

> narcotics.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> One can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > not take both at the same time. So Maybe,

if you get off

> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> narcotics you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > could try that.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I hope this information is helpful. Good

luck to you.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Rhonda

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have

been removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

Posted September 7, 2009 · September 7, 2009

Yo mama, do you have a name? What is it? Please don't give up before the

miracle. Ask for help wherever you can. Hav ing been an addict all my life, I

can honestly say that AA and NA meetings have given me a lot of support. As

long as I get my hand up and share what I am going through at the meetings.

Also, you might want to consider asking your doctor for cymbalta or the new one

they have out now. I prefer the Cymbalta for my antidepressant and it helps

tremendously. What will not help you is self pity and feeling sorry for

yourself. Get armed...with as much information as you can.

Research on the web. Join groups outside and literally force yourself to go.

Think about getting off the inappropriate drugs that you are on maybe see a

Fibro specialist for help. To tell you the truth, one or two PINK benedryls

works fine for me at night. That and a warm 1/2 hour bubble bath with epson

salts. And either some tylenol or some advil. If you are getting in trouble

with the drugs they gave you then maybe those are not the right drugs for you

and maybe you need to give them up. Talk to a fibro specialist. Ask for help.

Marsha

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Re: Re: New member saying hi

Hey Jill, very well said. You sound like a good teacher. You also sound

like you done an excellent of overcoming your obstacles on this journey we

call life.

I do not think there is a person on this planet who is not overcoming

something. Sometimes I think going to those types of groups is sort of more

honest because at least everybody there is admitting that we all have

problems and weaknesses and we share and we help each other. As long the

person is getting better, recovering and helping others it works. Staying

home alone does not work and like you said there is much to gained there.

Thanks for that Jill.

On 8/31/09 2:06 PM, " gray04red " <gray04redyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Being an addict or alcoholic has nothing to do with a person's character. It

> has to do with how our bodies work. I also became drug dependent and an addict

> due to pain pills. We do end up with spiritual needs to help us handle these

> problems. Believe me, so does everyone else on the plan

Posted September 8, 2009 · September 8, 2009

You are so right Joanne. Now you need to learn to love that negative part

of you too. In that negativity is a lot of strength that we over look

because we label is the way we do. For example, angry and bitter could be a

perfectly correct response to some events in your life. Don¹t try and

resist that. Instead take that power and re direct it to your productive

self. You should look up a book by Debbie Ford called the Dark Side of the

Light Chasers. She talks about this negative self and how we try to hide it

and squash it but we need to bring it to the light and she says how to do

this and gives you exercises too.

You are a perfectly normal human being. We all have that negative side. I

have never met one person who did not have it.

>

> I believe there is our true self and our false self. for me my false self is

> angry bitter, negative, worn down, lacks hope and fath, believes in nothing

> imaginary, curses, cannot sleep, feels victimised, hates, holds resentments,

> blames, is full of self pity, has pain, and allergy and hormoe trouble and

> binges, is sad, is lost, has no self love and works o auto piliot. My true

> self is serene, full of joy and faith, she enjoys life, belives in god

> believes she is getting well, is full of hope, is a joy to be around, is calm

> and patient and unflustered. She ejoys the imaginary, seeks out spirituality,

> has friends who have an healig influence, cares about me, loves me, lifts me

> up, heals me, loves music and nature and art ad poetry and prays and meditates

> and......................

>

> Love Joanne

>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Thanks for everyone's help. I

stopped the

> diazepam and

>> > the sleeping

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > 3

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > days ago and cut myself down

from 60 mg a

> day of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine to 40mg a

>>>> >> > day

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > yesterday.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > The pain is bad, i'm hoping

its from the

> cut back of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine, have

>>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> runs,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > runny nose and feel like i

have a dozen

> ferrets

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> squirming around in

>>>> >> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > stomach. After being on

diazepam for years

> my nerves are

>> > a mess, im

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> dropping

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > things, jumping at every noise

and my

> vision is being

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> affected, the

>>>> >> > walls

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> look

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > to be moving.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Its only when i come off these

tablets that

> i realise i

>> > need them

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> to sleep,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > i,m wide awake right now at

3.38. am. I had

> 2 bottles of

>> > beer

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tonight so

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > that's a big cut down for me.

I know things

> have to get

>> > worse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> before they

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> get

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > better, but I'm trying to get

off this

> stuff as someone

>> > said these

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > give the same side effects as

FM.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > On a good note, i am losing

weight with the

> runs and

>> > being sick.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Rhonda its

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > funny but my ibs is caused by

wheat and

> dairy products

>> > and spicy

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods so i

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > know what your saying.I am

trying to get

> off these meds

>> > so i can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> try the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > meds you all recommend for FM.

Its so easy

> to take the

>> > stuff from

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> the docs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> but

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > much harder to leave them

alone

> after-wards. I,m

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> starting to think

>>>> >> > i have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> cut

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > back too fast but realise it

could be the

> withdrawal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wanting me to

>>>> >> > take

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> them

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > again.I have stopped my multi

vitamins,

> ginseng etc as

>> > well so

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> having a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> real

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > good detox, just fruit,

vegetables and

> water and a

>> > little real

>>>> >> > meat.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > If anyone needs any help by

email, i,m

> here, i need to

>> > keep myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> occupied

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > without moving around too much

at the

> moment.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Just to cheer anyone up that

cant sleep

> (like me) i was

>> > looking at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> a dvd >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sale that shows sheep jumping

over a gate

> to help people

>> > sleep.You

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> count >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sheep rather than having to

imagine

> counting them in

>> > your

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> head....whatever

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > next

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hope everyone has a good day

tomorrow, if

> not then a

>> > better day

>>>> >> > than

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> today....

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > ____________ _________

_________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > From: rsonby <rsonbygmail (DOT)

com

> <mailto:rsonby%

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@

yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi

acured%40yahoogr

> oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August,

2009 2:11:02

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Subject:

Re: New member

> saying hi

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hi New member, I am kind of

new here myself

> as I have

>> > been lurking

>>>> >> > for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> awhile

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and I don't always have time

to look at all

> my e-mail. I

>> > saw your

>>>> >> > post

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> though

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and felt I had to reply. I

have

> fibromyalgia and IBS. I

>> > will tell

>>>> >> > you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > something that made my IBS go

away and also

> helped a lot

>> > with the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> pain of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Fibro. My doctor took blood

samples and had

> them tested

>> > for what

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods I >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > was

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sensitive to. It turns out I

was sensitive

> to a lot.

>> > Wheat, Corn,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> milk, and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > chicken were the big ones.

When I

> eliminated these foods

>> > from my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> diet my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> pain

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > levels went way down and my

IBS went AWAY!

> The experts

>> > told me that

>>>> >> > it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> didn't

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > matter what I ate for the IBS,

boy were

> they wrong! I

>> > would

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> encourage you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > get your blood tested too. You

might have

> to go to a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> naturalpathic

>>>> >> > doctor

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > this as They MDs don't seem to

know about

> this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I have started a new treatment

for fibro

> which also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> works for a lot

>>>> >> > of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > problems too. Its called LDN

or Low Dose

> Naltrexone.

>> > There have

>>>> >> > been

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> studies

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and a large number of people

on the

> internet who are

>> > taking this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> and are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > having positive results. Even

people with

> Multiple

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sclerosis! My

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Naturalpathic doctor

recommeded to me after

> a great

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> success with a

>>>> >> > lupus

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > patient. The only problem for

you with this

> would be the

>> > narcotics.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> One can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > not take both at the same

time. So Maybe,

> if you get off

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> narcotics you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > could try that.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I hope this information is

helpful. Good

> luck to you.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Rhonda

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > [Non-text portions of this

message have

> been removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have

been

> removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have

been

> removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

Posted September 8, 2009 · September 8, 2009

Very well said, Rosemarie, I'll be practicing that bit of advice too!

M

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Thanks for everyone's help. I

stopped the

> diazepam and

>> > the sleeping

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > 3

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > days ago and cut myself down

from 60 mg a

> day of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine to 40mg a

>>>> >> > day

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > yesterday.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > The pain is bad, i'm hoping

its from the

> cut back of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine, have

>>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> runs,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > runny nose and feel like i

have a dozen

> ferrets

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> squirming around in

>>>> >> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > stomach. After being on

diazepam for years

> my nerves are

>> > a mess, im

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> dropping

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > things, jumping at every noise

and my

> vision is being

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> affected, the

>>>> >> > walls

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> look

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > to be moving.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Its only when i come off these

tablets that

> i realise i

>> > need them

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> to sleep,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > i,m wide awake right now at

3.38. am. I had

> 2 bottles of

>> > beer

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tonight so

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > that's a big cut down for me.

I know things

> have to get

>> > worse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> before they

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> get

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > better, but I'm trying to get

off this

> stuff as someone

>> > said these

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > give the same side effects as

FM.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > On a good note, i am losing

weight with the

> runs and

>> > being sick.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Rhonda its

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > funny but my ibs is caused by

wheat and

> dairy products

>> > and spicy

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods so i

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > know what your saying.I am

trying to get

> off these meds

>> > so i can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> try the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > meds you all recommend for FM.

Its so easy

> to take the

>> > stuff from

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> the docs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> but

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > much harder to leave them

alone

> after-wards. I,m

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> starting to think

>>>> >> > i have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> cut

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > back too fast but realise it

could be the

> withdrawal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wanting me to

>>>> >> > take

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> them

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > again.I have stopped my multi

vitamins,

> ginseng etc as

>> > well so

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> having a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> real

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > good detox, just fruit,

vegetables and

> water and a

>> > little real

>>>> >> > meat.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > If anyone needs any help by

email, i,m

> here, i need to

>> > keep myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> occupied

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > without moving around too much

at the

> moment.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Just to cheer anyone up that

cant sleep

> (like me) i was

>> > looking at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> a dvd >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sale that shows sheep jumping

over a gate

> to help people

>> > sleep.You

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> count >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sheep rather than having to

imagine

> counting them in

>> > your

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> head....whatever

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > next

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hope everyone has a good day

tomorrow, if

> not then a

>> > better day

>>>> >> > than

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> today....

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > ____________ _________

_________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > From: rsonby <rsonbygmail (DOT)

com

> <mailto:rsonby%

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@

yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi

acured%40yahoogr

> oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August,

2009 2:11:02

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Subject:

Re: New member

> saying hi

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hi New member, I am kind of

new here myself

> as I have

>> > been lurking

>>>> >> > for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> awhile

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and I don't always have time

to look at all

> my e-mail. I

>> > saw your

>>>> >> > post

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> though

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and felt I had to reply. I

have

> fibromyalgia and IBS. I

>> > will tell

>>>> >> > you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > something that made my IBS go

away and also

> helped a lot

>> > with the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> pain of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Fibro. My doctor took blood

samples and had

> them tested

>> > for what

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods I >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > was

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sensitive to. It turns out I

was sensitive

> to a lot.

>> > Wheat, Corn,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> milk, and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > chicken were the big ones.

When I

> eliminated these foods

>> > from my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> diet my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> pain

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > levels went way down and my

IBS went AWAY!

> The experts

>> > told me that

>>>> >> > it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> didn't

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > matter what I ate for the IBS,

boy were

> they wrong! I

>> > would

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> encourage you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > get your blood tested too. You

might have

> to go to a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> naturalpathic

>>>> >> > doctor

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > this as They MDs don't seem to

know about

> this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I have started a new treatment

for fibro

> which also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> works for a lot

>>>> >> > of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > problems too. Its called LDN

or Low Dose

> Naltrexone.

>> > There have

>>>> >> > been

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> studies

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and a large number of people

on the

> internet who are

>> > taking this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> and are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > having positive results. Even

people with

> Multiple

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sclerosis! My

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Naturalpathic doctor

recommeded to me after

> a great

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> success with a

>>>> >> > lupus

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > patient. The only problem for

you with this

> would be the

>> > narcotics.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> One can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > not take both at the same

time. So Maybe,

> if you get off

>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> narcotics you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > could try that.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I hope this information is

helpful. Good

> luck to you.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Rhonda

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > [Non-text portions of this

message have

> been removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have

been

> removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have

been

> removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

Posted September 9, 2009 · September 9, 2009

Hi Joanne:

I have two suggestions on what to do with this. 1)when you are aware of

your negative side just sit and watcher. Get curious about it.

Watch it and note wher located. For example when I am angry it is

always located in my mach area. Sometimes my joints. So I just watch

that and get curious again. How big is it? Is the size of a pit bull or

the size of a little atomic bomb? LOL then move it a little bit. And get

curious again. Where is it now ? Just continue doing this for a while and

see what happens. Th technique is partly from a meditatio

mindfulness meditation. Mindfulness meditation is also called Vipassana so

if you see that its the same thing. They don¹t ask questions but they teach

you how to watch your mind and let it pass throughm on a

river. You cannot stop your mind so do noteven try. LOL it is part of

being human, but when you become the watcher, you are not pushed around and

subjected to every whim the mind throws up at you. You will notice a big

difference after doing this for a while.

The second suggestion I have is when you feel tese emotions have a tantrum

in your journal. Write don every little childish, angry, white knuckle

thought yu have. Scream into your journal all those things we do not dare

say. I hate you Dad. Oops. That¹s no ok is it? Well you do not mean it

really it is just your mind suppressing that and now its not suppressed. It

doesn¹t mean you ever hated him it just means you hd rage you suppressed at

the time. Then scream all the obsenities in yur journal you really wanted

to say to that person wo is presently in your consciousness. Your mother,

your grandmother or children. God forbid we can ever say we hate one of

our children but sometimes our rage says that and if we can blow that steam

off and see that is our dark side and let it express itself it turn into

steam only. When that steam had a lid on it it will boiland boil and boil

and threaten to blow up. Know what I mean?

So use your journal and be aware when your anger/rage/grief etc changes and

write that down too. Usually you will have an insight but if not ok too.

This is to let the feelings go away, not to validate them and say to

yourself, ³oh that¹s what wrong with me, I hated my father.²

No, because these are ONLY feelings . They are NOT truth. We are all

basically loving human beings but our dark side gets repressed and we begin

to believe feelings are TRUTH. They are not. So, when you have an eye to

that end, it will go well.

Hope this helps you and anyone else who battles with these feelings that are

dark and hidden from sight that cause us this shame.

Sincerely,

rosemarie

>

> I will get the book you mentioned. I know a Debbie Ford so it is unlikely i

> will forget this one.

>

> I am glad you can see this in me. I can see it too but i am really at a loss

> how to overcome this. As a child it was not so much my mom (the alcoholic)

> that would not allow me to express my negative feelings but more my dad, the

> co-dependent. My dad had been raised by his gran and aunt, both of who had

> been born in the 1800s. They hard weird n values and the Christianity

> that they passed on to him was very much anti-women and shame based. All my

> childhood i was battling with him trying to get him to see the compasion of

> Christ. As my mom slid further into alcoholism and became more and more

> abusive, my focus went more on her. I spent hours and hours everyday

> comforting my mom. I blamed my dad because she was ill and became very

> confused about religion.

>

> Fortunately i now have some very supportive christian friends and i beelieve i

> have escaped a lot of the madness, but part of me still holds a cult style

> authority over me and i will not let go of my frustrations. I simply remid

> myself of the sorry situation within my family and demand action, ven though i

> know there is nothing i can do

>

> This thinkig is what raises up this negative side and once it is here i have

> no idea what to do with it. As i child i had to ignore my emotional pain and i

> still reject it now.

>

> I will tell you more about this in the future but must go now

>

> Joanne

>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Thanks for

everyone's help. I

> stopped the

>> > diazepam and

>>>> >> > the sleeping

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > 3

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > days ago and cut

myself down

> from 60 mg a

>> > day of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine to 40mg a

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > day

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > yesterday.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > The pain is bad,

i'm hoping

> its from the

>> > cut back of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine, have

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> runs,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > runny nose and

feel like i

> have a dozen

>> > ferrets

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> squirming around in

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > stomach. After

being on

> diazepam for years

>> > my nerves are

>>>> >> > a mess, im

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> dropping

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > things, jumping

at every noise

> and my

>> > vision is being

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> affected, the

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > walls

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> look

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > to be moving.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Its only when i

come off these

> tablets that

>> > i realise i

>>>> >> > need them

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> to sleep,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > i,m wide awake

right now at

> 3.38. am. I had

>> > 2 bottles of

>>>> >> > beer

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tonight so

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > that's a big cut

down for me.

> I know things

>> > have to get

>>>> >> > worse

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> before they

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> get

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > better, but I'm

trying to get

> off this

>> > stuff as someone

>>>> >> > said these

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > give the same

side effects as

> FM.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > On a good note, i

am losing

> weight with the

>> > runs and

>>>> >> > being sick.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Rhonda its

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > funny but my ibs

is caused by

> wheat and

>> > dairy products

>>>> >> > and spicy

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods so i

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > know what your

saying.I am

> trying to get

>> > off these meds

>>>> >> > so i can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> try the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > meds you all

recommend for FM.

> Its so easy

>> > to take the

>>>> >> > stuff from

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> the docs

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> but

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > much harder to

leave them

> alone

>> > after-wards. I,m

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> starting to think

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > i have

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> cut

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > back too fast but

realise it

> could be the

>> > withdrawal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wanting me to

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > take

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> them

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > again.I have

stopped my multi

> vitamins,

>> > ginseng etc as

>>>> >> > well so

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> having a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> real

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > good detox, just

fruit,

> vegetables and

>> > water and a

>>>> >> > little real

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > meat.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > If anyone needs

any help by

> email, i,m

>> > here, i need to

>>>> >> > keep myself

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> occupied

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > without moving

around too much

> at the

>> > moment.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Just to cheer

anyone up that

> cant sleep

>> > (like me) i was

>>>> >> > looking at

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> a dvd >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sale that shows

sheep jumping

> over a gate

>> > to help people

>>>> >> > sleep.You

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> count >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sheep rather than

having to

> imagine

>> > counting them in

>>>> >> > your

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> head....whatever

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > next

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hope everyone has

a good day

> tomorrow, if

>> > not then a

>>>> >> > better day

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > than

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> today....

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > ____________

_________

> _________ __

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > From: rsonby

<rsonbygmail (DOT)

> com

>> > <mailto:rsonby%

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > To:

fibromyalgiacured@

> yahoogroups. com

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

<mailto:fibromyalgi

> acured%40yahoogr

>> > oups.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Sent: Wednesday,

26 August,

> 2009 2:11:02

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Subject:

> Re: New member

>> > saying hi

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hi New member, I

am kind of

> new here myself

>> > as I have

>>>> >> > been lurking

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> awhile

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and I don't

always have time

> to look at all

>> > my e-mail. I

>>>> >> > saw your

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > post

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> though

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and felt I had to

reply. I

> have

>> > fibromyalgia and IBS. I

>>>> >> > will tell

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > something that

made my IBS go

> away and also

>> > helped a lot

>>>> >> > with the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> pain of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Fibro. My doctor

took blood

> samples and had

>> > them tested

>>>> >> > for what

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods I >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > was

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sensitive to. It

turns out I

> was sensitive

>> > to a lot.

>>>> >> > Wheat, Corn,

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> milk, and

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > chicken were the

big ones.

> When I

>> > eliminated these foods

>>>> >> > from my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> diet my

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> pain

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > levels went way

down and my

> IBS went AWAY!

>> > The experts

>>>> >> > told me that

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > it

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> didn't

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > matter what I ate

for the IBS,

> boy were

>> > they wrong! I

>>>> >> > would

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> encourage you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > get your blood

tested too. You

> might have

>> > to go to a

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> naturalpathic

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > doctor

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > this as They MDs

don't seem to

> know about

>> > this.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I have started a

new treatment

> for fibro

>> > which also

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> works for a lot

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > of

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > problems too. Its

called LDN

> or Low Dose

>> > Naltrexone.

>>>> >> > There have

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > been

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> studies

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and a large

number of people

> on the

>> > internet who are

>>>> >> > taking this

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> and are

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > having positive

results. Even

> people with

>> > Multiple

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sclerosis! My

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Naturalpathic

doctor

> recommeded to me after

>> > a great

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> success with a

>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > lupus

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > patient. The only

problem for

> you with this

>> > would be the

>>>> >> > narcotics.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> One can

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > not take both at

the same

> time. So Maybe,

>> > if you get off

>>>> >> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> narcotics you

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > could try that.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I hope this

information is

> helpful. Good

>> > luck to you.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Rhonda

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > [Non-text

portions of this

> message have

>> > been removed]

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message have

> been

>> > removed]

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> been

>> > removed]

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have been

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>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> >

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Posted September 10, 2009 · September 10, 2009

The writing sounds like the NO process I learned many years ago in the Life

Training. I forgot the name of the people, but the premis is that we have

problems saying Yes to things until we know what we don't want.

Jill in TX

>

> >

> > I will get the book you mentioned. I know a Debbie Ford so it is unlikely i

> > will forget this one.

> >

> > I am glad you can see this in me. I can see it too but i am really at a loss

> > how to overcome this. As a child it was not so much my mom (the alcoholic)

> > that would not allow me to express my negative feelings but more my dad, the

> > co-dependent. My dad had been raised by his gran and aunt, both of who had

> > been born in the 1800s. They hard weird n values and the

Christianity

> > that they passed on to him was very much anti-women and shame based. All my

> > childhood i was battling with him trying to get him to see the compasion of

> > Christ. As my mom slid further into alcoholism and became more and more

> > abusive, my focus went more on her. I spent hours and hours everyday

> > comforting my mom. I blamed my dad because she was ill and became very

> > confused about religion.

> >

> > Fortunately i now have some very supportive christian friends and i beelieve

i

> > have escaped a lot of the madness, but part of me still holds a cult style

> > authority over me and i will not let go of my frustrations. I simply remid

> > myself of the sorry situation within my family and demand action, ven though

i

> > know there is nothing i can do

> >

> > This thinkig is what raises up this negative side and once it is here i have

> > no idea what to do with it. As i child i had to ignore my emotional pain and

i

> > still reject it now.

> >

> > I will tell you more about this in the future but must go now

> >

> > Joanne

> >

Posted September 11, 2009 · September 11, 2009

What is the No process and what is Life Training? Sounds interesting

>

> The writing sounds like the NO process I learned many years ago in the Life

> Training. I forgot the name of the people, but the premis is that we have

> problems saying Yes to things until we know what we don't want.

>

> Jill in TX

>

>> >

>>> > >

>>> > > I will get the book you mentioned. I know a Debbie Ford so it is

>>> unlikely i

>>> > > will forget this one.

>>> > >

>>> > > I am glad you can see this in me. I can see it too but i am really at a

>>> loss

>>> > > how to overcome this. As a child it was not so much my mom (the

>>> alcoholic)

>>> > > that would not allow me to express my negative feelings but more my dad,

the

>>> > > co-dependent. My dad had been raised by his gran and aunt, both of who

had

>>> > > been born in the 1800s. They hard weird n values and the

>>> Christianity

>>> > > that they passed on to him was very much anti-women and shame based. All

my

>>> > > childhood i was battling with him trying to get him to see the compasion

of

>>> > > Christ. As my mom slid further into alcoholism and became more and more

>>> > > abusive, my focus went more on her. I spent hours and hours everyday

>>> > > comforting my mom. I blamed my dad because she was ill and became very

>>> > > confused about religion.

>>> > >

>>> > > Fortunately i now have some very supportive christian friends and i

>>> beelieve i

>>> > > have escaped a lot of the madness, but part of me still holds a cult >>>

style

>>> > > authority over me and i will not let go of my frustrations. I simply >>>

remid

>>> > > myself of the sorry situation within my family and demand action, ven

>>> though i

>>> > > know there is nothing i can do

>>> > >

>>> > > This thinkig is what raises up this negative side and once it is here i

>>> have

>>> > > no idea what to do with it. As i child i had to ignore my emotional pain

>>> and i

>>> > > still reject it now.

>>> > >

>>> > > I will tell you more about this in the future but must go now

>>> > >

>>> > > Joanne

>>> > >

>

Posted September 12, 2009 · September 12, 2009

The No process is basically pitching a hissy fit and yelling into a pillow,

pounding a cushion AFTER having written down everything we are anxious, angry,

sad, etc. Actually just doing a free-thought writing exercise.

After writing the junk down - all the stuff I don't want in my life - all the

ideas I hold or have had held over me and then saying no to the lies in them - I

look over the list and judge if what I've written is true, false or I don't

know. If it's an I don't know then it's an automatic false.

True statements might be " I'm an addict to ... "

A false statement might be " I'm a worthless blah, blah, blah. "

An I don't know statement might be " No one can love me " or " I will die alone and

unloved. "

Can you see the falseness in that? Like I know every person on the planet and

can read their hearts and minds. It discounts every person, animal, Heavenly

Father, everyone who has ever had any positive feelings toward me.

When the emotional clearing is done - if those thoughts come up again, I can say

to them - " I've already dealt with that - shut up " .

After the No process is the Yes process where I re-wright what was left of the

thoughts (and the emotions triggered by them) I looked at and saying YES to the

ones that are true.

I worked as a volunteer in the Life Training when I was living in Austin, TX in

the 1980's. I felt that it helped my 12-step program.

There is a site called The Life Training Program. And it is the same people

involved.

Jill in TX

-- In fibromyalgiacured , Rosemarie Tropf wrote:

>

> What is the No process and what is Life Training? Sounds interesting

>

> >

> > The writing sounds like the NO process I learned many years ago in the Life

> > Training. I forgot the name of the people, but the premis is that we have

> > problems saying Yes to things until we know what we don't want.

> >

> > Jill in TX

> >

> >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I will get the book you mentioned. I know a Debbie Ford so it is

> >>> unlikely i

> >>> > > will forget this one.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I am glad you can see this in me. I can see it too but i am really at

a

> >>> loss

> >>> > > how to overcome this. As a child it was not so much my mom (the

> >>> alcoholic)

> >>> > > that would not allow me to express my negative feelings but more my

dad,

> the

> >>> > > co-dependent. My dad had been raised by his gran and aunt, both of who

> had

> >>> > > been born in the 1800s. They hard weird n values and the

> >>> Christianity

> >>> > > that they passed on to him was very much anti-women and shame based.

All

> my

> >>> > > childhood i was battling with him trying to get him to see the

compasion

> of

> >>> > > Christ. As my mom slid further into alcoholism and became more and

more

> >>> > > abusive, my focus went more on her. I spent hours and hours everyday

> >>> > > comforting my mom. I blamed my dad because she was ill and became very

> >>> > > confused about religion.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Fortunately i now have some very supportive christian friends and i

> >>> beelieve i

> >>> > > have escaped a lot of the madness, but part of me still holds a cult

>>>

> style

> >>> > > authority over me and i will not let go of my frustrations. I simply

>>>

> remid

> >>> > > myself of the sorry situation within my family and demand action, ven

> >>> though i

> >>> > > know there is nothing i can do

> >>> > >

> >>> > > This thinkig is what raises up this negative side and once it is here

i

> >>> have

> >>> > > no idea what to do with it. As i child i had to ignore my emotional

pain

> >>> and i

> >>> > > still reject it now.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I will tell you more about this in the future but must go now

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Joanne

> >>> > >

> >

>

Posted September 13, 2009 · September 13, 2009

Thanks Jill. That sounds interesting I am going to look it up on the web.

>

> The No process is basically pitching a hissy fit and yelling into a pillow,

> pounding a cushion AFTER having written down everything we are anxious, angry,

> sad, etc. Actually just doing a free-thought writing exercise.

>

> After writing the junk down - all the stuff I don't want in my life - all the

> ideas I hold or have had held over me and then saying no to the lies in them -

> I look over the list and judge if what I've written is true, false or I don't

> know. If it's an I don't know then it's an automatic false.

>

> True statements might be " I'm an addict to ... "

> A false statement might be " I'm a worthless blah, blah, blah. "

> An I don't know statement might be " No one can love me " or " I will die alone

> and unloved. "

>

> Can you see the falseness in that? Like I know every person on the planet and

> can read their hearts and minds. It discounts every person, animal, Heavenly

> Father, everyone who has ever had any positive feelings toward me.

>

> When the emotional clearing is done - if those thoughts come up again, I can

> say to them - " I've already dealt with that - shut up " .

> After the No process is the Yes process where I re-wright what was left of the

> thoughts (and the emotions triggered by them) I looked at and saying YES to

> the ones that are true.

>

> I worked as a volunteer in the Life Training when I was living in Austin, TX

> in the 1980's. I felt that it helped my 12-step program.

>

> There is a site called The Life Training Program. And it is the same people

> involved.

>

> Jill in TX

>

> -- In fibromyalgiacured

> <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com> , Rosemarie Tropf

> wrote:

>> >

>> > What is the No process and what is Life Training? Sounds interesting

>> >

>>> > >

>>> > > The writing sounds like the NO process I learned many years ago in the

>>> Life

>>> > > Training. I forgot the name of the people, but the premis is that we >>>

have

>>> > > problems saying Yes to things until we know what we don't want.

>>> > >

>>> > > Jill in TX

>>> > >

>>>>> > >> >

>>>>>>> > >>> > >

>>>>>>> > >>> > > I will get the book you mentioned. I know a Debbie Ford so it

is

>>>>> > >>> unlikely i

>>>>>>> > >>> > > will forget this one.

>>>>>>> > >>> > >

>>>>>>> > >>> > > I am glad you can see this in me. I can see it too but i am

>>>>>>> really at a

>>>>> > >>> loss

>>>>>>> > >>> > > how to overcome this. As a child it was not so much my mom

(the

>>>>> > >>> alcoholic)

>>>>>>> > >>> > > that would not allow me to express my negative feelings but

>>>>>>> more my dad,

>> > the

>>>>>>> > >>> > > co-dependent. My dad had been raised by his gran and aunt,

>>>>>>> both of who

>> > had

>>>>>>> > >>> > > been born in the 1800s. They hard weird n values and

the

>>>>> > >>> Christianity

>>>>>>> > >>> > > that they passed on to him was very much anti-women and shame

>>>>>>> based. All

>> > my

>>>>>>> > >>> > > childhood i was battling with him trying to get him to see the

compasion

>> > of

>>>>>>> > >>> > > Christ. As my mom slid further into alcoholism and became more

and more

>>>>>>> > >>> > > abusive, my focus went more on her. I spent hours and hours

everyday

>>>>>>> > >>> > > comforting my mom. I blamed my dad because she was ill and

>>>>>>> became very

>>>>>>> > >>> > > confused about religion.

>>>>>>> > >>> > >

>>>>>>> > >>> > > Fortunately i now have some very supportive christian friends

and i

>>>>> > >>> beelieve i

>>>>>>> > >>> > > have escaped a lot of the madness, but part of me still holds

>>>>>>> a cult >>>

>> > style

>>>>>>> > >>> > > authority over me and i will not let go of my frustrations. I

>>>>>>> simply >>>

>> > remid

>>>>>>> > >>> > > myself of the sorry situation within my family and demand

>>>>>>> action, ven

>>>>> > >>> though i

>>>>>>> > >>> > > know there is nothing i can do

>>>>>>> > >>> > >

>>>>>>> > >>> > > This thinkig is what raises up this negative side and once it

is here i

>>>>> > >>> have

>>>>>>> > >>> > > no idea what to do with it. As i child i had to ignore my

>>>>>>> emotional pain

>>>>> > >>> and i

>>>>>>> > >>> > > still reject it now.

>>>>>>> > >>> > >

>>>>>>> > >>> > > I will tell you more about this in the future but must go now

>>>>>>> > >>> > >

>>>>>>> > >>> > > Joanne

>>>>>>> > >>> > >

>>> > >

>> >

Posted September 13, 2009 · September 13, 2009

What we may end up doing is re-parenting ourselves. Treating ourselves the way a

vulnerable, innocent child needs to be treated.

While doing this, I began to recognize my own inconsistencies in how I spoke to

myself or treated myself. So, I have had to do forgiveness work on myself

--frequently -- sometimes daily.

Noticing this helped me to forgive my parents and other people. No regular human

is perfect nor acts perfectly 100% of the time. One of my life tasks is to

forgive and then give to Heavenly Father the events, people, places and things

that have disturbed my peace.

When I began putting into practice the idea that expecting 100% constant

approval, good treatment etc by others might be inaccurate or inappropriate I

was able to Let Go and Let God.

I still expect good things, but if it doesn't happen, then I am aware that the

people involved might have been distracted, in pain themselves or just unable at

that moment to be what I wanted them to be. In truth, the only being that can

love me unconditionally is Heavenly Father. Everyone else including me is doing

it to the best of their ability - so they do it imperfectly.

Jill in Tx

> > >> >

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > I will get the book you mentioned. I know a Debbie Ford so it is

> > >>> unlikely i

> > >>> > > will forget this one.

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > I am glad you can see this in me. I can see it too but i am really

at a

> > >>> loss

> > >>> > > how to overcome this. As a child it was not so much my mom (the

> > >>> alcoholic)

> > >>> > > that would not allow me to express my negative feelings but more my

dad,

> > the

> > >>> > > co-dependent. My dad had been raised by his gran and aunt, both of

who

> > had

> > >>> > > been born in the 1800s. They hard weird n values and the

> > >>> Christianity

> > >>> > > that they passed on to him was very much anti-women and shame based.

All

> > my

> > >>> > > childhood i was battling with him trying to get him to see the

compasion

> > of

> > >>> > > Christ. As my mom slid further into alcoholism and became more and

more

> > >>> > > abusive, my focus went more on her. I spent hours and hours everyday

> > >>> > > comforting my mom. I blamed my dad because she was ill and became

very

> > >>> > > confused about religion.

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Fortunately i now have some very supportive christian friends and i

> > >>> beelieve i

> > >>> > > have escaped a lot of the madness, but part of me still holds a cult

>>>

> > style

> > >>> > > authority over me and i will not let go of my frustrations. I simply

>>>

> > remid

> > >>> > > myself of the sorry situation within my family and demand action,

ven

> > >>> though i

> > >>> > > know there is nothing i can do

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > This thinkig is what raises up this negative side and once it is

here i

> > >>> have

> > >>> > > no idea what to do with it. As i child i had to ignore my emotional

pain

> > >>> and i

> > >>> > > still reject it now.

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > I will tell you more about this in the future but must go now

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Joanne

> > >>> > >

> > >

> >

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