Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 brian, i too am feeling much better since switching from the morphine back to the duragesic patches. i am feeling much more like myself right now. But of course i am not in New York City and I am not in my stressful life. At least right now. marsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 i was also addicted 2 pills and alcohol 2 stop the pain, physical and mental/emotional! i overdosed and was in a coma 2 yrs ago. the problem is they put me back on norco and now skelaxin. doesnt help all the way but takes the edge off. I have had an episode lasting about a month that i have been in jail to my home. I am walking w the Lord. i find my self taking too many pills at a time. onlx 3 norco and 2 skelaxin but it doesnt kill the pain or put me 2 sleep! i dont know what to do anymore. I am tired of just surviving! because of religious beliefs i wont off myself but i want to go 2 heaven so bad. i would stop being a burden and wouldnt have so much pain all around. i dont share this w others cuz i was a drug addict 4 7 years so this would crush them. i dont expect a response just sharing. Re: Re: New member saying hi Hey Jill, very well said. You sound like a good teacher. You also sound like you done an excellent of overcoming your obstacles on this journey we call life. I do not think there is a person on this planet who is not overcoming something. Sometimes I think going to those types of groups is sort of more honest because at least everybody there is admitting that we all have problems and weaknesses and we share and we help each other. As long the person is getting better, recovering and helping others it works. Staying home alone does not work and like you said there is much to gained there. Thanks for that Jill. > > > > > Being an addict or alcoholic has nothing to do with a person's character. It > has to do with how our bodies work. I also became drug dependent and an addict > due to pain pills. We do end up with spiritual needs to help us handle these > problems. Believe me, so does everyone else on the plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Hi Marsha I didn't know about the patches you are on, just looked them up, it says they are 100 times as potent as morphine.You must be in a lot of pain without it, i feel for you. I'm wanting to break down my last morphine tablet tomorrow but its a 12 hour release so cant just break it in half as it will release everything in one go.I think i will have to just cut it out completely.I have had dark circles around my eyes for a long time, even though my sleep pattern is non existent, my dark circles have nearly gone.I'm putting that down to the toxins leaving my body. Getting better every day,just the tiredness and the aches etc to come to terms with again.I actually dreamt last night that i had concrete blocks weighing my arms and legs down and they crumbled away exposing helium balloons tied to me and i could fly in the sunshine and i could feel the warmth of the sun and i was so happy, happier than i have ever been ) then i turned over and the pain woke me up, so much for a reality check lol but it was good while it lasted Try to stay stress free Marsha.Thanks for sharing about the patches. My Website http://www.simplytortoise.co.uk/ ________________________________ To: fibromyalgiacured Sent: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 2:55:15 Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi brian, i too am feeling much better since switching from the morphine back to the duragesic patches. i am feeling much more like myself right now. But of course i am not in New York City and I am not in my stressful life. At least right now. marsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 thx ur words help Re: Re: New member saying hi > > Hey Jill, very well said. You sound like a good teacher. You also sound > like you done an excellent of overcoming your obstacles on this journey we > call life. > > I do not think there is a person on this planet who is not overcoming > something. Sometimes I think going to those types of groups is sort of more > honest because at least everybody there is admitting that we all have > problems and weaknesses and we share and we help each other. As long the > person is getting better, recovering and helping others it works. Staying > home alone does not work and like you said there is much to gained there. > > Thanks for that Jill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being an addict or alcoholic has nothing to do with a person's character. It > > has to do with how our bodies work. I also became drug dependent and an addict > > due to pain pills. We do end up with spiritual needs to help us handle these > > problems. Believe me, so does everyone else on the plan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Joanne there are no meetings in my area, or in my county Joy ________________________________ To: fibromyalgiacured Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:01:54 AM Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi There is an Adult Children for Alcoholics Website, normally i type in ACA alcoholism and this comes up. ot everybody on there has a parent who is an alcoholic but they all come from dysfunctional backgrounds. On the site it tell you where meetings are held Also, Alanon have a website. there meetings are usually held in the same buildig as AA meetings. The other three 12 step groups i ahve come across are CoDA, for co-dependents (this is people who constantly find themselves takig on the helping role i relationahips) , Overeaters Anonymous, and Narcotics Anoymous, they deal with both street and prescription drugs Basically any and all are good, it is up to the individual to decide which one is best for them and you can attend more than one I use the 12 steps as my framework and then as i pick other stuff up like the Atkins diet, Joyce meyer, mcKenna and self help books, like the Healing The Child Within, and oh yes, my church and job etc, I incorperate all of these into my 12 Step work The 12 step programs have helped me identify what is healing and what is potetially dangerous for a sensitive person like myself. Using the the program i invite more and more good stuff into my life and little by little throw all the rubbish out I wish i could explain it more here but i cant explain the essence of it. all i can tell you is it is hard to find healing by yourself because there are so many things aroud us pulling us back into the mess. The 12 steps teaches us how to speak to ourselves in a supportive way that gives us the strenth needed to breakaway from negative forces. I thik everybody struggles to some extent with this. It is such a wonderful feeling when you finally see where you yourself have been going wrong and it is wonderful to have other people who are working towards wholeness too I think i may have told you that i have a degree i Psychology and lots of other training, but none of this helped me like the 12 Steps do Lots of love Joanne > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanks for everyone's help. I stopped the diazepam and the sleeping tablets > 3 > >> > days ago and cut myself down from 60 mg a day of morphine to 40mg a day > >> > yesterday. > >> > The pain is bad, i'm hoping its from the cut back of morphine, have the > >> runs, > >> > runny nose and feel like i have a dozen ferrets squirming around in my > >> > stomach. After being on diazepam for years my nerves are a mess, im > >> dropping > >> > things, jumping at every noise and my vision is being affected, the walls > >> look > >> > to be moving. > >> > Its only when i come off these tablets that i realise i need them to sleep, > >> > i,m wide awake right now at 3.38. am. I had 2 bottles of beer tonight so > >> > that's a big cut down for me. I know things have to get worse before they > >> get > >> > better, but I'm trying to get off this stuff as someone said these tablets > >> > give the same side effects as FM. > >> > On a good note, i am losing weight with the runs and being sick. Rhonda its > >> > funny but my ibs is caused by wheat and dairy products and spicy foods so i > >> > know what your saying.I am trying to get off these meds so i can try the > >> other > >> > meds you all recommend for FM. Its so easy to take the stuff from the docs > >> but > >> > much harder to leave them alone after-wards. I,m starting to think i have > >> cut > >> > back too fast but realise it could be the withdrawal wanting me to take > >> them > >> > again.I have stopped my multi vitamins, ginseng etc as well so having a > >> real > >> > good detox, just fruit, vegetables and water and a little real meat. > >> > If anyone needs any help by email, i,m here, i need to keep myself occupied > >> > without moving around too much at the moment. > >> > Just to cheer anyone up that cant sleep (like me) i was looking at a dvd >> > for > >> > sale that shows sheep jumping over a gate to help people sleep.You count >> > the > >> > sheep rather than having to imagine counting them in your head....whatever > >> > next > >> > Hope everyone has a good day tomorrow, if not then a better day than > >> today.... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >> > From: rsonby <rsonbygmail (DOT) com <mailto:rsonby% 40gmail.com> > > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com > >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 2:11:02 > >> > Subject: Re: New member saying hi > >> > > >> > Hi New member, I am kind of new here myself as I have been lurking for > >> awhile > >> > and I don't always have time to look at all my e-mail. I saw your post > >> though > >> > and felt I had to reply. I have fibromyalgia and IBS. I will tell you > >> > something that made my IBS go away and also helped a lot with the pain of > >> > Fibro. My doctor took blood samples and had them tested for what foods I >> > was > >> > sensitive to. It turns out I was sensitive to a lot. Wheat, Corn, milk, and > >> > chicken were the big ones. When I eliminated these foods from my diet my > >> pain > >> > levels went way down and my IBS went AWAY! The experts told me that it > >> didn't > >> > matter what I ate for the IBS, boy were they wrong! I would encourage you > >> to > >> > get your blood tested too. You might have to go to a naturalpathic doctor > >> for > >> > this as They MDs don't seem to know about this. > >> > > >> > I have started a new treatment for fibro which also works for a lot of > >> other > >> > problems too. Its called LDN or Low Dose Naltrexone. There have been > >> studies > >> > and a large number of people on the internet who are taking this and are > >> > having positive results. Even people with Multiple Sclerosis! My > >> > Naturalpathic doctor recommeded to me after a great success with a lupus > >> > patient. The only problem for you with this would be the narcotics. One can > >> > not take both at the same time. So Maybe, if you get off the narcotics you > >> > could try that. > >> > > >> > I hope this information is helpful. Good luck to you. > >> > > >> > Rhonda > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Dear Friend, Joanne, I decided to lay back a bit and spend time reading all my friends' notes to one another. But I have been reading yours with interest. I love your Faith. I haven't seen You give up no matter how close to despair you fall. During one of my meditations, Our Lord showed me we are like a little toddler wanting to be independent and wanting no help from mama. Mama knows that baby needs his space and will let him grow in his stubborn Independence. But baby falls, scrapes, cries out to his mother. Immediately mama is at his side to carry him(footsteps in the sand), caress him, love him, and sees him with such great Love that she never wants to leave his side. But, alas, baby needs to grow, so mama steps aside. But mama is always there for him...no matter how stubborn, or how old...he will always remain her darling loved child. You are that darling child...call out always, God will remain at your side. We are so blessed to have a Wonderful Loving Father. Blessings, M > > > > > > > > > > > Being an addict or alcoholic has nothing to do with a person's character. It > > has to do with how our bodies work. I also became drug dependent and an addict > > due to pain pills. We do end up with spiritual needs to help us handle these > > problems. Believe me, so does everyone else on the plan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Joanne, although I am new here, I already look forward to your posts. I am coming up on my 23 year anniversary on Sept 10th actually. I use to make meetings daily until maybe the last 5 years or so when we moved to the east village and did not find meetings that worked for me. Now I know I really need to see if I can find meetings that work for me. Marsha Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Re: New member saying hi > >> > > >> > Hi New member, I am kind of new here myself as I have been lurking for > >> awhile > >> > and I don't always have time to look at all my e-mail. I saw your post > >> though > >> > and felt I had to reply. I have fibromyalgia and IBS. I will tell you > >> > something that made my IBS go away and also helped a lot with the pain of > >> > Fibro. My doctor took blood samples and had them tested for what foods I >> > was > >> > sensitive to. It turns out I was sensitive to a lot. Wheat, Corn, milk, and > >> > chicken were the big ones. When I eliminated these foods from my diet my > >> pain > >> > levels went way down and my IBS went AWAY! The experts told me that it > >> didn't > >> > matter what I ate for the IBS, boy were they wrong! I would encourage you > >> to > >> > get your blood tested too. You might have to go to a naturalpathic doctor > >> for > >> > this as They MDs don't seem to know about this. > >> > > >> > I have started a new treatment for fibro which also works for a lot of > >> other > >> > problems too. Its called LDN or Low Dose Naltrexone. There have been > >> studies > >> > and a large number of people on the internet who are taking this and are > >> > having positive results. Even people with Multiple Sclerosis! My > >> > Naturalpathic doctor recommeded to me after a great success with a lupus > >> > patient. The only problem for you with this would be the narcotics. One can > >> > not take both at the same time. So Maybe, if you get off the narcotics you > >> > could try that. > >> > > >> > I hope this information is helpful. Good luck to you. > >> > > >> > Rhonda > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 > > this stuff about the spices is really interesting. I don't use spices very much but i am following up everything that is being said here and i am beginning to think i should > Â > Thanks > Â > Joanne > Hi, It is best to use organic spices instead of them in supplements, or at least, that is what I read. spices are also anti-viral, anti-fungal, anti-bacterial. They add nutrients as well. I can't afford a lot of different ones. I was able to find some ginger, and turmeric roots at a store that sold food from India locally. I have some organic rosemary, cinnamon, thyme, and parsley. c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 > > > > this stuff about the spices is really interesting. I don't use spices very much but i am following up everything that is being said here and i am beginning to think i should > > Â > > Thanks > > Â > > Joanne > > > Hi, > > It is best to use organic spices instead of them in supplements, or at least, that is what I read. spices are also anti-viral, anti-fungal, anti-bacterial. They add nutrients as well. I can't afford a lot of different ones. I was able to find some ginger, and turmeric roots at a store that sold food from India locally. I have some organic rosemary, cinnamon, thyme, and parsley. > > c. > Hi, I forgot to mention-Swanson.com. they also have a catalog, has organic spices at a good price. also Mountain rose herbs. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Hi, Here's my supermarket fix. I can't chug-a-lug this, so I sip it. I've used for about 2 weeks: the Black Cherry Concentrate in distilled water with a tonic I found. The Black Cherry Concentrate is specific for gout, (mineral deposits in the great toe), I'm hoping it will also help with the mineral deposits in my tendons, ligaments and muscles that cause the painful places all over my body. The concentrate helps make the tonic more palatable. The tonic I began using is a handful each of hot peppers, hot onion (the white that isn't the sweet type), garlic, ginger and horseradish. It's chopped up and blended with Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar. A really strong blend. You fix this on the new moon and let it sit until the full moon and then strain it if you want. I put some honey in it too and mix in 8 oz of distilled water 2 droppers of the tonic and the Black Cherry Concentrate. I drink 16 to 24 oz of it a day (when I remember to do it). The pepper and ginger have a positive affect on the circulation, the onion and garlic are anti-virals, anti-fungals, etc, the ginger helps with the digestive tract and the horseradish helps the respiratory system. I found the idea for the vinegar and honey in water in a Braggs family book, and the tonic I found in 10 Top Herbs to Cure Big Diseases. So far it has helped me to come out of the foggyness and I do have some more energy. I also am now able to get outside and move around about an hour a day. I think if I'm patient it will reduce the painfulness of the tender points on my body. I don't expect it to work instantaneously as I've had this condition a long time. Jill in TX > > I went to the supermarket last night but they oly had a small choice of spices. Today i will call at my health shop and see how i get on there. There is also an Asian market close by to where i live I will call down there because i have seen a lot of organic stuff being sold their i the past > Â > The one thig i have never heard of before is this Black cherry concentrate, can anybody remind me what this is good for > Â > Kind Regards > Â > Joanne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Hi, Marsha I have found Curcumin in the health food stores. You can also get it over the internet. It's not too costly. For me, it did replace the pain meds but I have only been on Meloxicam. I do not expect any medication to totally eliminate my pain. Even after an operation, the meds prescribed just knock you out so you are not as aware of the pain. That doesn't work very well for doing activities of daily living. My prayers and best wishes are with all of us as we deal with this disorder. I have begun to wonder if I don't have it so I will slow down. I used to work 60-72 hours a week and then also do service work with my 12 step groups. Jill in TX -- In fibromyalgiacured , stmarkswoman@... wrote: > > Jill, please tell me more about the Curcumin, where you buy it, how you take it. Does it replace all your pain meds? Thanks, marsha > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 I agree about being a healer. I have the plant thing and the animal thing too. When I was able to work with people - going into their homes and helping them with their health and with my friends, I would use massage or energy work intuitively and saw some very heartening experiences of relief of pain. When I did it with friends etc, I would get relief for my pain. My situation doesn't allow for that right now, but I'm trying to relearn reflexology and then I will try to get certified, even though it isn't necessary in Texas. Right now, there is little touching from or with other humans. I have taken a vow of chastity (no sex unless married) and for me, no dating because men just don't see me (I'm 63, and overweight etc) and not as much physical contact as I used to have with people. When I was consciously trying to learn how to love myself, my mentor Camilla Leadbetter, a lady I met while I was doing aide work, began teaching me and I started with learning to love and relate to the mineral kingdom and then the plant kingdom, progressing to the animal kingdom and then to humans. If I can learn to love gravel or a rock I can learn to love anyone whether or not they respond to me in kind. I learned that I receive love from the universe or Heavenly Father and am to release it to everything and everyone in my sphere of influence. I don't have to be physically present to express it either. Jill in TX -- In fibromyalgiacured , Rosemarie Tropf wrote: > > I totally do not think that was crazy. Wow. That is an amazing story. I > think you and your wife and possibly your daughter ARE healers. We just > forget to pay attention to that stuff sometimes. All those animals that > find you? What does that mean to you.? > > When I say you are a healer I do not mean you have a certificate. I mean > you have the power as a healer so go get a certificate. You would do well. > You are a natural I think. You have all that empathy for other creatures > and humans as well. > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > No i am not a healer, but i grow things with a natural instinct, i often > > 'know' when a plant badly needs watering etc. A few weeks ago, i let the dog > > out and walked to my greenhouse to open the door.There on the floor in the sun > > was a juvenile bat,i nearly stood on it.I picked it up carefully and placed it > > in my pocket without a second thought it might bite me or carry rabies (some > > do in UK).It never hurt me while i checked its wings etc. for damage. We took > > it to a bat rescue place so it could get professional care as it had bite > > marks to it and couldnt fly. > > A couple of months ago, i found an orphaned hedgehog crying for its mum in > > daylight in the garden, (both of these i put on my website in the video > > section) I released a toad hibernating in the greenhouse in March, released > > several birds trapped in the greenhouse and helped several that fly into the > > windows a few days ago. Animals do seem to 'find' me if sick or injured > > though,i could never turn my back on an animal needing help lol > > The strangest thing that has ever happened to me is when my grandma died, we > > promised her we would call our next daughter after her.We kept our promise and > > 6 weeks after our daughter was born i asked my wife to check on her at around > > 3 in the morning which she did as something wasnt right. My wife fed her and > > both fell asleep in our bed.I was woken with what i dreamt was an elbow in my > > side waking me up. I also heard the message " check on your daughter " in my > > grandmas voice. > > I woke my wife up and asked her to pass me our daughter, something i have > > never done while she was asleep. My wife wondered what was up with me, but > > passed me our daughter. She stopped breathing within seconds of me holding > > her. I was trying to get her breathing while my wife was frantic ringing an > > ambulance. In the commotion, our eldest daughter came in our bedroom saying > > she had a dream as well about our youngest daughter and wanted to know if she > > was going to be ok. > > She stopped breathing around 6 times before the ambulance arrived. After many > > tests we found the flap of skin in her throat that moves when we drink > > liquids or solids was floppy and letting liquids back up when she laid down > > basically drowning her. Her throat muscles are fine now and forever owe our > > gratitude to my grandma. > > My wife on the other hand goes to spiritualist churches very ocasionally and > > is forever told she has healing powers and has an Arabic guide to help her. I > > have another story that's dificult to believe but thats another time before > > you all think I'm crazy lol. > > Hope this cheers anyone up feeling down. > > > > > > > > My Website > > http://www.simplytortoise.co.uk/ > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rosemarie Tropf <rosemarie@... <mailto:rosemarie%40intnet.net> > > > To: fibromyalgiacured > > <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, 31 August, 2009 16:38:05 > > Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi > > > > That is a beautiful message from you . You are an example of the > > wounded healer I think. You are a healer at heart but your wounds keep you > > held back from your calling. Ever thought about that? Are you a healer? > > Share that with the world as a goal? > > Sincerely, > > rosemarie > > > > On 8/31/09 5:41 AM, " - " <simplytortoise@ rocketmail. com> wrote: > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I,m really pleased the AA worked for you Joanne.I am managing to get off >> > the > >> > meds and feeling better for it slowly. There is no chance i would go back > >> on > >> > them after they are out of my system, that i do know. I haven't even seen > >> my > >> > mother for over 13 years now and my father well i haven't seen him since he > >> > was sent to prison for attempted murder of my mother and never want him > >> back > >> > in my life ever. I hope one day your mother does get the help she needs, >> > but > >> > sometimes people have to do it for themselves, you can drag a camel to > >> water, > >> > but you cant make it drink lol. One day you might get your mother back, i > >> feel > >> > for you. Stay strong, stay off the bad stuff and one day your mother might > >> > take a leaf out of your book and go to AA. Everyday you are strong for > >> > yourself, you are there, ready for your mum as well. > >> > One day it might happen for you and i hope it does happen for you.Until > >> then > >> > enjoy every day as it comes and try to dwell on the good things in life. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > My Website > >> > http://www.simplyto rtoise.co. uk/ > >> > > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >> > From: Joanne Ford <joannesford@ yahoo.co. uk <mailto:joannesford %40yahoo. > >> co.uk> > >>> > > > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com > >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> > >> > Sent: Sunday, 30 August, 2009 18:00:12 > >> > Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi > >> > > >> > I know that when i used to ask my mom to attend AA she would get very > >> > insulted. I think she thought that the people there were all 'wino's' that > >> > lived on the streets and had no moral fibre. When i went to AA to ask what > I > >> > should do about her drinking they invited me in and i was amazed. They were > >> > the most beautiful people i had ever met. I asked them how have you been > >> able > >> > to transform your lives to the point were ot only are you not abusive but > >> you > >> > are so stable and have so much to give. They said, the time had come when > >> we > >> > simply could not continue with our addictio, we had tried to do it alone, > >> and > >> > failed and failed and failed. Giving up the drink was ot the problem, they > >> had > >> > all detoxed over and over again, it was the staying sober they struggled > >> with. > >> > > >> > They advised me to go to Alanon, which i did. There i found lots of people > >> > like myself, some had addiction trouble with food and so on, and others > >> were > >> > simply struggling with depression and anxiety. Basically what they told me > >> was > >> > that where there is dysfunction, drugs, alcohol, gambling what ever there > >> is > >> > usually one person that sinks and recovers and sinks and recovers and > >> several > >> > other people around that person who dances along with them > >> > > >> > I know that this was true for me. I so wanted my mom to get well. She would > >> go > >> > on a bender dringking, phoning me up telling me she was desparate and could > >> > not cope, that she was in emotional and physical pain, that she just wanted > >> to > >> > end it all, next she would be sober telling me she was now strong and > >> > certainly would not drink again. > >> > > >> > I did actually believe her. She was a good woman and she looked after us > >> well > >> > when she was sober, but something would happen, like somebody going in > >> > hospital or smoething and she could not cope and she would drink again. > >> > > >> > When this happened i would feel so bad for her i kow she was ill and could > >> not > >> > help it but as the years went by she began to loose the will to 'give up' > >> and > >> > ended up drunk all the time. > >> > > >> > With her drinking a lot of cruelty came. She had no idea how abusive she > >> was, > >> > she could not remember. Then when she was sober (which bega to be rare) she > >> > would change back to that sweet loving person, i so desparately needed in > >> my > >> > life. I stood by my mom for over 20 years with her drinking, believing that > >> > one day she would get well. During that time i developed Fibromyalgia and > >> as i > >> > became more and more poorly the more my moms drinking became very difficult > >> to > >> > cope with > >> > > >> > My mom still drinks and she will never go to AA. She says she is not like > >> the > >> > drunkards in there. But like i said earlier the people in AA are not > >> > drunkards, they really are not. They are couragous people who had the > >> backbone > >> > to face up to the fact that they could not give up alcohol and stay sober > >> for > >> > more than a few months or so. > >> > > >> > I have many friends that are in AA. These people are a blessing to me. They > >> > have helped me no end with my own addiction problems. There is no way my >> > mom > >> > could help me like these people had. All my mom new was how to drink > >> herself > >> > into oblivion and then sober up for a week or two and then do it all over > >> > again. She would tell me over and over that this time was the last time > >> that > >> > she would not drink again, but she always did. > >> > > >> > The people in AA told me that they made the same promises to their families > >> > and did give up for months sometimes, and then one day, for what ever > >> reason > >> > they just drank again. It was only by attending AA that they had achieved > >> long > >> > term soberiety. > >> > > >> > I listened eagerly. They taught me thousands of ways to give up and stay >> > off > >> > addictive substances. I now do not smoke, nor drink diet coke around the > >> > clock, drink caffeine or binge on carbs. Before i new these people in > >> recovery > >> > i always went back to my addictions > >> > > >> > It is hard to understand how 12 Step meetings can help both the addict and > >> > their family members but they do. They help people understand why they get > >> > addicted and why even though they are strong detemined people they still go > >> > back to their 'drug'. The processes involved i this a difficult to > >> understand > >> > and i cannot explain them here, but once the penny drops with this > >> addiction > >> > thing, everything changes and all of a sudden you can go through life > >> without > >> > returning to the substance. > >> > > >> > It is not the getting off the stuff that is hard it is the stayig off it > >> > > >> > Joanne > >> > > >> > > >>>>>> >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Thanks for everyone's help. I stopped the diazepam and > the sleeping > >>>>>> >>>>> tablets > >>>> >> > 3 > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > days ago and cut myself down from 60 mg a day of > >>>>>>>>>> morphine to 40mg a > > day > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > yesterday. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > The pain is bad, i'm hoping its from the cut back of > >>>>>>>>>> morphine, have > > the > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> runs, > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > runny nose and feel like i have a dozen ferrets > >>>>>>>>>> squirming around in > > my > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > stomach. After being on diazepam for years my nerves are > a mess, im > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> dropping > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > things, jumping at every noise and my vision is being > >>>>>>>>>> affected, the > > walls > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> look > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > to be moving. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Its only when i come off these tablets that i realise i > need them > >>>>>> >>>>> to sleep, > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > i,m wide awake right now at 3.38. am. I had 2 bottles of > beer > >>>>>> >>>>> tonight so > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > that's a big cut down for me. I know things have to get > worse > >>>>>> >>>>> before they > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> get > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > better, but I'm trying to get off this stuff as someone > said these > >>>>>> >>>>> tablets > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > give the same side effects as FM. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > On a good note, i am losing weight with the runs and > being sick. > >>>>>> >>>>> Rhonda its > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > funny but my ibs is caused by wheat and dairy products > and spicy > >>>>>> >>>>> foods so i > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > know what your saying.I am trying to get off these meds > so i can > >>>>>> >>>>> try the > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > meds you all recommend for FM. Its so easy to take the > stuff from > >>>>>> >>>>> the docs > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> but > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > much harder to leave them alone after-wards. I,m > >>>>>>>>>> starting to think > > i have > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> cut > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > back too fast but realise it could be the withdrawal > >>>>>>>>>> wanting me to > > take > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> them > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > again.I have stopped my multi vitamins, ginseng etc as > well so > >>>>>> >>>>> having a > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> real > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > good detox, just fruit, vegetables and water and a > little real > > meat. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > If anyone needs any help by email, i,m here, i need to > keep myself > >>>>>> >>>>> occupied > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > without moving around too much at the moment. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Just to cheer anyone up that cant sleep (like me) i was > looking at > >>>>>> >>>>> a dvd >> > >>>> >> > for > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sale that shows sheep jumping over a gate to help people > sleep.You > >>>>>> >>>>> count >> > >>>> >> > the > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sheep rather than having to imagine counting them in > your > >>>>>> >>>>> head....whatever > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > next > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hope everyone has a good day tomorrow, if not then a > better day > > than > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> today.... > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > From: rsonby <rsonbygmail (DOT) com <mailto:rsonby% > >>>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 2:11:02 > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Subject: Re: New member saying hi > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hi New member, I am kind of new here myself as I have > been lurking > > for > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> awhile > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and I don't always have time to look at all my e-mail. I > saw your > > post > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> though > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and felt I had to reply. I have fibromyalgia and IBS. I > will tell > > you > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > something that made my IBS go away and also helped a lot > with the > >>>>>> >>>>> pain of > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Fibro. My doctor took blood samples and had them tested > for what > >>>>>> >>>>> foods I >> > >>>> >> > was > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sensitive to. It turns out I was sensitive to a lot. > Wheat, Corn, > >>>>>> >>>>> milk, and > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > chicken were the big ones. When I eliminated these foods > from my > >>>>>> >>>>> diet my > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> pain > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > levels went way down and my IBS went AWAY! The experts > told me that > > it > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> didn't > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > matter what I ate for the IBS, boy were they wrong! I > would > >>>>>> >>>>> encourage you > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> to > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > get your blood tested too. You might have to go to a > >>>>>>>>>> naturalpathic > > doctor > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> for > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > this as They MDs don't seem to know about this. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I have started a new treatment for fibro which also > >>>>>>>>>> works for a lot > > of > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > problems too. Its called LDN or Low Dose Naltrexone. > There have > > been > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> studies > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and a large number of people on the internet who are > taking this > >>>>>> >>>>> and are > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > having positive results. Even people with Multiple > >>>>>>>>>> Sclerosis! My > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Naturalpathic doctor recommeded to me after a great > >>>>>>>>>> success with a > > lupus > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > patient. The only problem for you with this would be the > narcotics. > >>>>>> >>>>> One can > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > not take both at the same time. So Maybe, if you get off > the > >>>>>> >>>>> narcotics you > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > could try that. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I hope this information is helpful. Good luck to you. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Rhonda > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 The book is called the Big Book quite fondly because when it was first published it was very thick. The actual title is Alcoholics Anonymous, the Basic Text for Alcoholics Anonymous. There are great on-line and face to face groups - even some for special interests, like one for people who are deaf or hard of hearing like me. I have FM/CFS, Celiac disease, I am quite deaf and going blind from cataracts. Jill in TX > > > > > > > > > > > i was also addicted 2 pills and alcohol 2 stop the pain, physical and > > mental/emotional! i overdosed and was in a coma 2 yrs ago. the problem is they > > put me back on norco and now skelaxin. doesnt help all the way but takes the > > edge off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 >, congratulations on your success.< I'm on day 2 of no morphine at all.My eyes are stinging,i ache everywhere from head to toe, i dont know if i have a bad cold but my nose is streaming, temperature, sweating badly and feel really miserable. I'm sure this is down to the morphine leaving my body, but i wont give in and take any. i wrote on my meds 'take one and you know you are a loser' lol. Dont think i will be online for a while but thanks for the support, i am doing well so far. Hope everyone has a flare up free day ) I'll be back...........<G> My Website http://www.simplytortoise.co.uk/ ________________________________ To: fibromyalgiacured Sent: Thursday, 3 September, 2009 6:20:43 Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi , congratulations on your success. Believe me, I know how hard fought your success is, I know they say that duragesic patches are way stronger than morphine, as far as I am concerned, not so. When I tried the morphine, it was so much stronger than the Duragesic. Marsha Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Re: Re: New member saying hi brian, i too am feeling much better since switching from the morphine back to the duragesic patches. i am feeling much more like myself right now. But of course i am not in New York City and I am not in my stressful life. At least right now. marsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Wow, that would be easier, I'm going to write that down, I could use that in addition to my tonic. I will look up any possible side effects for tumeric, ginger and bromaline. I can do body testing to see if it would be better for me than the analgesic I currently have. I couldn't get the Curcumine for awhile due to such a low income. So I was able to get the Meloxicam at a local pharmacy for $4.00 I know my medications have side effects. One of the reasons my body doesn't release the excess fat is because of my years on anti-depressants and HRTs. Also the NSAIDs I use keep the fat on me. The RX I have has long-term use side effects that adversely affect the circulatory system and contributes to cardiovascular disease. The excess weight causes some breathing problems etc. So I want it gone. This site is such a blessing! I am learning better ways to help my body cope with and perhaps cure FM. Jill in TX -- In fibromyalgiacured , Rosemarie Tropf wrote: > > HI Joanne; yes there are capsules with Turmeric in them. In fact one of > them has liquid turmeric in it which is even more potent. Check your health > food store as they will have various concoctions with turmeric, and ginger > and sometimes they put it with bromelain which comes from pineapple as this > helps inflammation and digestion as well. I know what you mean. > Capsules are easier. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Hi, When I needed help, I began meetings. I mean I got meetings started in my area. I got in touch with the AA and they of course knew their relatives and friends. They wanted them to have a spiritual handle on life too. AlAnon Family Group has a site on the internet they can help guide you. Adult Children of Alcoholics - try that on the search part and see what happens. They can send literature to you and instuctions on getting things going. Yes, ACA Alcoholics should work. Please believe me when I say that whatever need a person has, Heavenly Father will provide, as long as I'm willing to cooperate. I've had to step out of my comfort zone sometimes, but it's been worth it. Jill in TX > > Joanne > there are no meetings in my area, or in my county > > > Joy >> ________________________________ > > To: fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:01:54 AM > Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi > > > There is an Adult Children for Alcoholics Website, normally i type in ACA alcoholism and this comes up. ot everybody on there has a parent who is an alcoholic but they all come from dysfunctional backgrounds. On the site it tell you where meetings are held > > Also, Alanon have a website. there meetings are usually held in the same buildig as AA meetings. The other three 12 step groups i ahve come across are CoDA, for co-dependents (this is people who constantly find themselves takig on the helping role i relationahips) , Overeaters Anonymous, and Narcotics Anoymous, they deal with both street and prescription drugs > > Basically any and all are good, it is up to the individual to decide which one is best for them and you can attend more than one > > I use the 12 steps as my framework and then as i pick other stuff up like the Atkins diet, Joyce meyer, mcKenna and self help books, like the Healing The Child Within, and oh yes, my church and job etc, I incorperate all of these into my 12 Step work > > The 12 step programs have helped me identify what is healing and what is potetially dangerous for a sensitive person like myself. Using the the program i invite more and more good stuff into my life and little by little throw all the rubbish out > > I wish i could explain it more here but i cant explain the essence of it. all i can tell you is it is hard to find healing by yourself because there are so many things aroud us pulling us back into the mess. The 12 steps teaches us how to speak to ourselves in a supportive way that gives us the strenth needed to breakaway from negative forces. > > I thik everybody struggles to some extent with this. It is such a wonderful feeling when you finally see where you yourself have been going wrong and it is wonderful to have other people who are working towards wholeness too > > I think i may have told you that i have a degree i Psychology and lots of other training, but none of this helped me like the 12 Steps do > > Lots of love > > Joanne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 That was a really good share Jill. > > > > > I have over 13 years clean and sober and have experienced long term sobriety > in the past too. So I do have tools that I have practiced using. They can be > learned by anyone and the operative word is practice. > > I too have had the idea that the world and my family would be better off > without me. I get those thoughts when I'm in a flare and can't do much. > > I also ask for the next right thought - when I'm in a fibro flare and fog, my > mind does not work right - I literally cannot think of the right thing to do. > > What is going on for me: I don't want to continue living LIKE THIS. Not > necessarily to get off the planet, but I desperately want a change. So I try > to talk myself through the thoughts to where I do recognize that I'm sick and > tired of how it is for me. > > Besides, thoughts about offing myself are thoughts of misery and I know who is > the author of those. I can say to the thoughts: That's a lie and shut up (I > live alone and can yell it out loud if I need to)and then ask for the next > right thought from Heavenly Father. > > That puts me into a space and mode so I can pray and ask for the help I need. > I may need to ask that the cravings be removed, that there be a direct > intervention in my thinking, feelings - what the heck! In my life! > > Then I can actually begin getting out of bed and showering and eating > something so I have some fuel to work with. Then I can do ONE thing more to > get the help I need. I can make a phone call or ride the bus to a 12 step > meeting, or get out of the apartment and into the light and air. > > What tends to happen then - when I have recognized and accepted that on my > own, I can't do it, is I can ask how I am to cooperate with getting the change > to happen. I see myself as in need of healing - on all levels; so I ask how to > cooperate with HF in getting the healing I need. > > Please be aware that we are with you in this. That this disorder is as sneaky > and annoying as any addiction I have faced. > > Re going to heaven: Heavenly Father will forgive and lift you up as many times > as you need it. He is our Father and knows that we are like little children in > needing His tender care. What I lack in strength, courage, self-love, ability > to trust Him, anything where I am weak - He can and does give to me whatever I > need. Communication is the key. > > " As thy days may demand, so thy succor shall be. " Is one of the verses in a > hymn I know and it is the truth. > > Jill in TX > > -- In fibromyalgiacured > <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com> , " yo mama " > wrote: >> > >> > i was also addicted 2 pills and alcohol 2 stop the pain, physical and >> mental/emotional! i overdosed and was in a coma 2 yrs ago. the problem is >> they put me back on norco and now skelaxin. doesnt help all the way but takes >> the edge off. I have had an episode lasting about a month that i have been in >> jail to my home. I am walking w the Lord. i find my self taking too many >> pills at a time. onlx 3 norco and 2 skelaxin but it doesnt kill the pain or >> put me 2 sleep! i dont know what to do anymore. I am tired of just surviving! >> because of religious beliefs i wont off myself but i want to go 2 heaven so >> bad. i would stop being a burden and wouldnt have so much pain all around. i >> dont share this w others cuz i was a drug addict 4 7 years so this would >> crush them. i dont expect a response just sharing. >> > Re: Re: New member saying hi >> > >> > Hey Jill, very well said. You sound like a good teacher. You also sound >> > like you done an excellent of overcoming your obstacles on this journey we >> > call life. >> > >> > I do not think there is a person on this planet who is not overcoming >> > something. Sometimes I think going to those types of groups is sort of >> more >> > honest because at least everybody there is admitting that we all have >> > problems and weaknesses and we share and we help each other. As long the >> > person is getting better, recovering and helping others it works. Staying >> > home alone does not work and like you said there is much to gained there. >> > >> > Thanks for that Jill. >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Being an addict or alcoholic has nothing to do with a person's >>> character. It >>> > > has to do with how our bodies work. I also became drug dependent and an >>> addict >>> > > due to pain pills. We do end up with spiritual needs to help us handle >>> these >>> > > problems. Believe me, so does everyone else on the plan >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 See you keep telling us how you have this way with animals but then you say you are not a healer. I think you need to see what I see. Sometimes we see others as having power but never our own self. You have this power to heal whether you see it or not. That¹s my opinion. LOL you could maybe do something with that? It would be a rewarding effort I think. > > > > > I have lots of empathy for animals, sometimes too much.I have often walked up > a driveway and a dog comes out teeth barred etc.I just say hello in a friendly > voice and the dog will stop in its tracks, a minute later we will be best > friends lol. Never been bitten yet lol. > My wife is the healer in our house, one of the reasons i fell for her, one of > her best qualities finding the good in everything and making the most of a bad > situation. > > > > My Website > http://www.simplytortoise.co.uk/ > > ________________________________ > From: Rosemarie Tropf <rosemarie@... <mailto:rosemarie%40intnet.net> > > To: fibromyalgiacured > <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 17:10:11 > Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi > > I totally do not think that was crazy. Wow. That is an amazing story. I > think you and your wife and possibly your daughter ARE healers. We just > forget to pay attention to that stuff sometimes. All those animals that > find you? What does that mean to you.? > > When I say you are a healer I do not mean you have a certificate. I mean > you have the power as a healer so go get a certificate. You would do well. > You are a natural I think. You have all that empathy for other creatures > and humans as well. > > What do you think? > > > On 9/1/09 7:58 AM, " - " <simplytortoise@ rocketmail. com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > No i am not a healer, but i grow things with a natural instinct, i often >> > 'know' when a plant badly needs watering etc. A few weeks ago, i let the >> dog >> > out and walked to my greenhouse to open the door.There on the floor in the >> sun >> > was a juvenile bat,i nearly stood on it.I picked it up carefully and placed >> it >> > in my pocket without a second thought it might bite me or carry rabies >> (some >> > do in UK).It never hurt me while i checked its wings etc. for damage. We >> took >> > it to a bat rescue place so it could get professional care as it had bite >> > marks to it and couldnt fly. >> > A couple of months ago, i found an orphaned hedgehog crying for its mum in >> > daylight in the garden, (both of these i put on my website in the video >> > section) I released a toad hibernating in the greenhouse in March, released >> > several birds trapped in the greenhouse and helped several that fly into >> the >> > windows a few days ago. Animals do seem to 'find' me if sick or injured >> > though,i could never turn my back on an animal needing help lol >> > The strangest thing that has ever happened to me is when my grandma died, >> we >> > promised her we would call our next daughter after her.We kept our promise >> and >> > 6 weeks after our daughter was born i asked my wife to check on her at >> around >> > 3 in the morning which she did as something wasnt right. My wife fed her >> and >> > both fell asleep in our bed.I was woken with what i dreamt was an elbow in >> my >> > side waking me up. I also heard the message " check on your daughter " in my >> > grandmas voice. >> > I woke my wife up and asked her to pass me our daughter, something i have >> > never done while she was asleep. My wife wondered what was up with me, but >> > passed me our daughter. She stopped breathing within seconds of me holding >> > her. I was trying to get her breathing while my wife was frantic ringing an >> > ambulance. In the commotion, our eldest daughter came in our bedroom saying >> > she had a dream as well about our youngest daughter and wanted to know if >> she >> > was going to be ok. >> > She stopped breathing around 6 times before the ambulance arrived. After >> many >> > tests we found the flap of skin in her throat that moves when we drink >> > liquids or solids was floppy and letting liquids back up when she laid down >> > basically drowning her. Her throat muscles are fine now and forever owe our >> > gratitude to my grandma. >> > My wife on the other hand goes to spiritualist churches very ocasionally >> and >> > is forever told she has healing powers and has an Arabic guide to help her. I >> > have another story that's dificult to believe but thats another time before >> > you all think I'm crazy lol. >> > Hope this cheers anyone up feeling down. >> > >> > >> > >> > My Website >> > http://www.simplyto rtoise.co. uk/ >> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ >> > From: Rosemarie Tropf <rosemarieintnet (DOT) net <mailto:rosemarie% 40intnet. >> net> > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> >> > Sent: Monday, 31 August, 2009 16:38:05 >> > Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi >> > >> > That is a beautiful message from you . You are an example of the >> > wounded healer I think. You are a healer at heart but your wounds keep you >> > held back from your calling. Ever thought about that? Are you a healer? >> > Share that with the world as a goal? >> > Sincerely, >> > rosemarie >> > >> > On 8/31/09 5:41 AM, " - " <simplytortoise@ rocketmail. com> wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I,m really pleased the AA worked for you Joanne.I am managing to get >>>> off >> > the >>>> >> > meds and feeling better for it slowly. There is no chance i would go back >>> >> on >>>> >> > them after they are out of my system, that i do know. I haven't even seen >>> >> my >>>> >> > mother for over 13 years now and my father well i haven't seen him >>>> since he >>>> >> > was sent to prison for attempted murder of my mother and never want him >>> >> back >>>> >> > in my life ever. I hope one day your mother does get the help she >>>> needs, >> > but >>>> >> > sometimes people have to do it for themselves, you can drag a camel to >>> >> water, >>>> >> > but you cant make it drink lol. One day you might get your mother >>>> back, i >>> >> feel >>>> >> > for you. Stay strong, stay off the bad stuff and one day your mother >>>> might >>>> >> > take a leaf out of your book and go to AA. Everyday you are strong for >>>> >> > yourself, you are there, ready for your mum as well. >>>> >> > One day it might happen for you and i hope it does happen for >>>> you.Until >>> >> then >>>> >> > enjoy every day as it comes and try to dwell on the good things in >>>> life. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > My Website >>>> >> > http://www.simplyto rtoise.co. uk/ >>>> >> > >>>> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ >>>> >> > From: Joanne Ford <joannesford@ yahoo.co. uk <mailto:joannesford >>>> %40yahoo. >>> >> co.uk> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> >>>> >> > Sent: Sunday, 30 August, 2009 18:00:12 >>>> >> > Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I know that when i used to ask my mom to attend AA she would get very >>>> >> > insulted. I think she thought that the people there were all 'wino's' that >>>> >> > lived on the streets and had no moral fibre. When i went to AA to ask what > I >>>> >> > should do about her drinking they invited me in and i was amazed. They were >>>> >> > the most beautiful people i had ever met. I asked them how have you been >>> >> able >>>> >> > to transform your lives to the point were ot only are you not abusive but >>> >> you >>>> >> > are so stable and have so much to give. They said, the time had come when >>> >> we >>>> >> > simply could not continue with our addictio, we had tried to do it >>>> alone, >>> >> and >>>> >> > failed and failed and failed. Giving up the drink was ot the problem, they >>> >> had >>>> >> > all detoxed over and over again, it was the staying sober they >>>> struggled >>> >> with. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > They advised me to go to Alanon, which i did. There i found lots of >>>> people >>>> >> > like myself, some had addiction trouble with food and so on, and >>>> others >>> >> were >>>> >> > simply struggling with depression and anxiety. Basically what they >>>> told me >>> >> was >>>> >> > that where there is dysfunction, drugs, alcohol, gambling what ever >>>> there >>> >> is >>>> >> > usually one person that sinks and recovers and sinks and recovers and >>> >> several >>>> >> > other people around that person who dances along with them >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I know that this was true for me. I so wanted my mom to get well. She >>>> would >>> >> go >>>> >> > on a bender dringking, phoning me up telling me she was desparate and >>>> could >>>> >> > not cope, that she was in emotional and physical pain, that she just >>>> wanted >>> >> to >>>> >> > end it all, next she would be sober telling me she was now strong and >>>> >> > certainly would not drink again. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I did actually believe her. She was a good woman and she looked after us >>> >> well >>>> >> > when she was sober, but something would happen, like somebody going in >>>> >> > hospital or smoething and she could not cope and she would drink >>>> again. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > When this happened i would feel so bad for her i kow she was ill and >>>> could >>> >> not >>>> >> > help it but as the years went by she began to loose the will to 'give up' >>> >> and >>>> >> > ended up drunk all the time. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > With her drinking a lot of cruelty came. She had no idea how abusive she >>> >> was, >>>> >> > she could not remember. Then when she was sober (which bega to be >>>> rare) she >>>> >> > would change back to that sweet loving person, i so desparately needed in >>> >> my >>>> >> > life. I stood by my mom for over 20 years with her drinking, believing that >>>> >> > one day she would get well. During that time i developed Fibromyalgia and >>> >> as i >>>> >> > became more and more poorly the more my moms drinking became very >>>> difficult >>> >> to >>>> >> > cope with >>>> >> > >>>> >> > My mom still drinks and she will never go to AA. She says she is not like >>> >> the >>>> >> > drunkards in there. But like i said earlier the people in AA are not >>>> >> > drunkards, they really are not. They are couragous people who had the >>> >> backbone >>>> >> > to face up to the fact that they could not give up alcohol and stay >>>> sober >>> >> for >>>> >> > more than a few months or so. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I have many friends that are in AA. These people are a blessing to me. They >>>> >> > have helped me no end with my own addiction problems. There is no way >>>> my >> > mom >>>> >> > could help me like these people had. All my mom new was how to drink >>> >> herself >>>> >> > into oblivion and then sober up for a week or two and then do it all over >>>> >> > again. She would tell me over and over that this time was the last time >>> >> that >>>> >> > she would not drink again, but she always did. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > The people in AA told me that they made the same promises to their >>>> families >>>> >> > and did give up for months sometimes, and then one day, for what ever >>> >> reason >>>> >> > they just drank again. It was only by attending AA that they had >>>> achieved >>> >> long >>>> >> > term soberiety. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I listened eagerly. They taught me thousands of ways to give up and >>>> stay >> > off >>>> >> > addictive substances. I now do not smoke, nor drink diet coke around the >>>> >> > clock, drink caffeine or binge on carbs. Before i new these people in >>> >> recovery >>>> >> > i always went back to my addictions >>>> >> > >>>> >> > It is hard to understand how 12 Step meetings can help both the addict and >>>> >> > their family members but they do. They help people understand why they get >>>> >> > addicted and why even though they are strong detemined people they >>>> still go >>>> >> > back to their 'drug'. The processes involved i this a difficult to >>> >> understand >>>> >> > and i cannot explain them here, but once the penny drops with this >>> >> addiction >>>> >> > thing, everything changes and all of a sudden you can go through life >>> >> without >>>> >> > returning to the substance. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > It is not the getting off the stuff that is hard it is the stayig off it >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Joanne >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Thanks for everyone's help. I stopped the diazepam and > the sleeping >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > 3 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > days ago and cut myself down from 60 mg a day of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine to 40mg a >> > day >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > yesterday. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > The pain is bad, i'm hoping its from the cut back of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine, have >> > the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> runs, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > runny nose and feel like i have a dozen ferrets >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> squirming around in >> > my >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > stomach. After being on diazepam for years my nerves are > a mess, im >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> dropping >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > things, jumping at every noise and my vision is being >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> affected, the >> > walls >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> look >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > to be moving. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Its only when i come off these tablets that i realise i > need them >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> to sleep, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > i,m wide awake right now at 3.38. am. I had 2 bottles of > beer >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tonight so >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > that's a big cut down for me. I know things have to get > worse >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> before they >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> get >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > better, but I'm trying to get off this stuff as someone > said these >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > give the same side effects as FM. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > On a good note, i am losing weight with the runs and > being sick. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Rhonda its >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > funny but my ibs is caused by wheat and dairy products > and spicy >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods so i >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > know what your saying.I am trying to get off these meds > so i can >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> try the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > meds you all recommend for FM. Its so easy to take the > stuff from >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> the docs >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> but >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > much harder to leave them alone after-wards. I,m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> starting to think >> > i have >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> cut >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > back too fast but realise it could be the withdrawal >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wanting me to >> > take >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> them >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > again.I have stopped my multi vitamins, ginseng etc as > well so >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> having a >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> real >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > good detox, just fruit, vegetables and water and a > little real >> > meat. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > If anyone needs any help by email, i,m here, i need to > keep myself >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> occupied >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > without moving around too much at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Just to cheer anyone up that cant sleep (like me) i was > looking at >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> a dvd >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > for >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sale that shows sheep jumping over a gate to help people > sleep.You >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> count >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sheep rather than having to imagine counting them in > your >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> head....whatever >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > next >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hope everyone has a good day tomorrow, if not then a > better day >> > than >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> today.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > From: rsonby <rsonbygmail (DOT) com <mailto:rsonby% >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 2:11:02 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Subject: Re: New member saying hi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hi New member, I am kind of new here myself as I have > been lurking >> > for >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> awhile >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and I don't always have time to look at all my e-mail. I > saw your >> > post >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> though >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and felt I had to reply. I have fibromyalgia and IBS. I > will tell >> > you >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > something that made my IBS go away and also helped a lot > with the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> pain of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Fibro. My doctor took blood samples and had them tested > for what >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods I >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > was >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sensitive to. It turns out I was sensitive to a lot. > Wheat, Corn, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> milk, and >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > chicken were the big ones. When I eliminated these foods > from my >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> diet my >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> pain >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > levels went way down and my IBS went AWAY! The experts > told me that >> > it >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > matter what I ate for the IBS, boy were they wrong! I > would >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> encourage you >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> to >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > get your blood tested too. You might have to go to a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> naturalpathic >> > doctor >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> for >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > this as They MDs don't seem to know about this. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I have started a new treatment for fibro which also >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> works for a lot >> > of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > problems too. Its called LDN or Low Dose Naltrexone. > There have >> > been >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> studies >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and a large number of people on the internet who are > taking this >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> and are >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > having positive results. Even people with Multiple >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sclerosis! My >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Naturalpathic doctor recommeded to me after a great >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> success with a >> > lupus >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > patient. The only problem for you with this would be the > narcotics. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> One can >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > not take both at the same time. So Maybe, if you get off > the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> narcotics you >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > could try that. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I hope this information is helpful. Good luck to you. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Rhonda >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 This totally makes sense to me Joanne. You explained it very well. I have found this true for myself as well. WE become over responsible as children dealing with alcoholics. That is a fact. We also become overly conscientious and become perfectionistic. This perfectionism is not about whether we do everything perfectly, its more about how we set such a high standard for our self and for others that we could never be happy. WE get critical of others short comings because they cannot meet our standards. We become extra critical of our own self because we can never meet our own perfectionistic standards. All perfectionists become depressed because they can never be happy because their expectations are too high. This has nothing to do with our surroundings or our production. It is simply a standard in our head in case anyone thinks hey, I am a slob, how could I be perfectionistic. I am a messy type of person who knows exactly where everything is but I am also quite perfectionistic. We do these things like being overly responsible, overly conscientious and perfectionistic because we try to create order in our lives on the outside, in the home, in our work, in our relationships to try and stop the chaos inside of us. That chaos inside of us is what we can work on. Journaling has helped me with this chaos to understand my thoughts my reactions and my patterns. Joanne your three journals of spiritual, mental and physica were they? Brilliant I think. > > > > > These things you share are, in my experiance, quite typical of people > with Fibromyalgia. I do not want to stereo type us but because as peoplw we > are normally so 'lovely' when we do get ill other people find it hard to > believe. It seems that no matter how ill we get we never look ill. >  > How can i explain this better? >  > Some folk are by nature simply needy. They constantly have problems and they > may lack an emotional maturity. These people draw caring folk towards them and > people just accept that they are the way they are. When we ask for help, > people often find it unbalancing. It does not fit with our 'got it together' > persona. Then when we fall down with this illess we, like the people aroud us, > find it hard to comprehend this madness, and we often bully ourselves into > some form of painful recovery. >  > Now i am of course speaking from my own experiance, and what i say here may > not apply to everybody, but the reason why i raise this subject is because in > my view, this 'balanced' attitude we all seem to have does, i don't kow how to > say this, but it does, kind of work against us in a bizzarre kind of way. >  > Again, i am struggling to explain what i mean. But what i am saying is this. I > have always had high expectations of myself, I have been very disiplined and > quit merciless i many ways. This stringent self pareting has served me well in > many ways, it has created a lovely person, but at the same time it has also > left me with many emotional issues, such as fear of failure, self blame, self > doubt, difficulty dealing with ager, shame, self retribution, over > responsibility and so on. I will talk about this in more detail in the future > but for anybody that is reading this, what i am saying is, when i realised how > much i needed a break from myself, and instead of grim determination, i needed > gentle iner love, that was when i began to get well >  > I do hope some of this is making sense because it is very hard to put this ito > words >  > Joanne > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Thanks for everyone's help. I stopped the diazepam and > the sleeping >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > 3 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > days ago and cut myself down from 60 mg a day of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine to 40mg a >> > day >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > yesterday. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > The pain is bad, i'm hoping its from the cut back of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine, have >> > the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> runs, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > runny nose and feel like i have a dozen ferrets >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> squirming around in >> > my >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > stomach. After being on diazepam for years my nerves are > a mess, im >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> dropping >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > things, jumping at every noise and my vision is being >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> affected, the >> > walls >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> look >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > to be moving. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Its only when i come off these tablets that i realise i > need them >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> to sleep, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > i,m wide awake right now at 3.38. am. I had 2 bottles of > beer >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tonight so >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > that's a big cut down for me. I know things have to get > worse >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> before they >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> get >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > better, but I'm trying to get off this stuff as someone > said these >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > give the same side effects as FM. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > On a good note, i am losing weight with the runs and > being sick. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Rhonda its >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > funny but my ibs is caused by wheat and dairy products > and spicy >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods so i >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > know what your saying.I am trying to get off these meds > so i can >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> try the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > meds you all recommend for FM. Its so easy to take the > stuff from >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> the docs >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> but >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > much harder to leave them alone after-wards. I,m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> starting to think >> > i have >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> cut >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > back too fast but realise it could be the withdrawal >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wanting me to >> > take >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> them >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > again.I have stopped my multi vitamins, ginseng etc as > well so >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> having a >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> real >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > good detox, just fruit, vegetables and water and a > little real >> > meat. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > If anyone needs any help by email, i,m here, i need to > keep myself >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> occupied >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > without moving around too much at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Just to cheer anyone up that cant sleep (like me) i was > looking at >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> a dvd >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > for >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sale that shows sheep jumping over a gate to help people > sleep.You >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> count >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sheep rather than having to imagine counting them in > your >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> head....whatever >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > next >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hope everyone has a good day tomorrow, if not then a > better day >> > than >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> today.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > From: rsonby <rsonbygmail (DOT) com <mailto:rsonby% >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 2:11:02 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Subject: Re: New member saying hi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hi New member, I am kind of new here myself as I have > been lurking >> > for >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> awhile >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and I don't always have time to look at all my e-mail. I > saw your >> > post >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> though >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and felt I had to reply. I have fibromyalgia and IBS. I > will tell >> > you >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > something that made my IBS go away and also helped a lot > with the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> pain of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Fibro. My doctor took blood samples and had them tested > for what >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods I >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > was >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sensitive to. It turns out I was sensitive to a lot. > Wheat, Corn, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> milk, and >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > chicken were the big ones. When I eliminated these foods > from my >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> diet my >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> pain >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > levels went way down and my IBS went AWAY! The experts > told me that >> > it >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > matter what I ate for the IBS, boy were they wrong! I > would >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> encourage you >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> to >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > get your blood tested too. You might have to go to a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> naturalpathic >> > doctor >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> for >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > this as They MDs don't seem to know about this. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I have started a new treatment for fibro which also >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> works for a lot >> > of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > problems too. Its called LDN or Low Dose Naltrexone. > There have >> > been >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> studies >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and a large number of people on the internet who are > taking this >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> and are >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > having positive results. Even people with Multiple >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sclerosis! My >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Naturalpathic doctor recommeded to me after a great >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> success with a >> > lupus >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > patient. The only problem for you with this would be the > narcotics. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> One can >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > not take both at the same time. So Maybe, if you get off > the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> narcotics you >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > could try that. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I hope this information is helpful. Good luck to you. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Rhonda >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Wow Jill that is quite a tonic. I know a guy online who sells a tonic very very similar to that. I can not remember his name right now. But he makes all his remedies from spices and herbs. He adds cayenne pepper to it and he really touts the properties of cayenne pepper. I should look it up again because I had forgotten all of this. I am interested again now. > > > > > Hi, Here's my supermarket fix. I can't chug-a-lug this, so I sip it. > > I've used for about 2 weeks: the Black Cherry Concentrate in distilled water > with a tonic I found. The Black Cherry Concentrate is specific for gout, > (mineral deposits in the great toe), I'm hoping it will also help with the > mineral deposits in my tendons, ligaments and muscles that cause the painful > places all over my body. The concentrate helps make the tonic more palatable. > > The tonic I began using is a handful each of hot peppers, hot onion (the white > that isn't the sweet type), garlic, ginger and horseradish. It's chopped up > and blended with Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar. A really strong blend. You fix > this on the new moon and let it sit until the full moon and then strain it if > you want. > > I put some honey in it too and mix in 8 oz of distilled water 2 droppers of > the tonic and the Black Cherry Concentrate. I drink 16 to 24 oz of it a day > (when I remember to do it). > > The pepper and ginger have a positive affect on the circulation, the onion and > garlic are anti-virals, anti-fungals, etc, the ginger helps with the digestive > tract and the horseradish helps the respiratory system. > > I found the idea for the vinegar and honey in water in a Braggs family book, > and the tonic I found in 10 Top Herbs to Cure Big Diseases. > > So far it has helped me to come out of the foggyness and I do have some more > energy. I also am now able to get outside and move around about an hour a day. > I think if I'm patient it will reduce the painfulness of the tender points on > my body. I don't expect it to work instantaneously as I've had this condition > a long time. > > Jill in TX > > >> > >> > I went to the supermarket last night but they oly had a small choice of >> spices. Today i will call at my health shop and see how i get on there. There >> is also an Asian market close by to where i live I will call down there >> because i have seen a lot of organic stuff being sold their i the past >> > Â >> > The one thig i have never heard of before is this Black cherry concentrate, >> can anybody remind me what this is good for >> > Â >> > Kind Regards >> > Â >> > Joanne >> > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 , congratulations on your success. Believe me, I know how hard fought your success is, I know they say that duragesic patches are way stronger than morphine, as far as I am concerned, not so. When I tried the morphine, it was so much stronger than the Duragesic. Marsha Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Re: Re: New member saying hi brian, i too am feeling much better since switching from the morphine back to the duragesic patches. i am feeling much more like myself right now. But of course i am not in New York City and I am not in my stressful life. At least right now. marsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 thanks Joanne my first time, if i am brave will be this sunday. cause i didn't find it in time for last sunday and i didin't know i could find the meetings on line. Joy ________________________________ To: fibromyalgiacured Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 3:21:36 AM Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi , everybody in the world has some co-dependent traits, except for psychopaths LOL, but its the bits of our persona that is workig against us, keeping us prisoner to the abuse that we near to take care of. even when we know what these are it is never easy to shake it off but with a group that are all working towards wholeness it is very very helpful. the twelve steps helps us keep focused on our aim and encourages us to consider the path that is best for us. there are no rules, nothing really that we have to do, but once you get it, you get it, and living a messed up life becomes kind of alien Plus you get to vent and if your lucky, find some good friends Joanne > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanks for everyone's help. I stopped the diazepam and the sleeping tablets > 3 > >> > days ago and cut myself down from 60 mg a day of morphine to 40mg a day > >> > yesterday. > >> > The pain is bad, i'm hoping its from the cut back of morphine, have the > >> runs, > >> > runny nose and feel like i have a dozen ferrets squirming around in my > >> > stomach. After being on diazepam for years my nerves are a mess, im > >> dropping > >> > things, jumping at every noise and my vision is being affected, the walls > >> look > >> > to be moving. > >> > Its only when i come off these tablets that i realise i need them to sleep, > >> > i,m wide awake right now at 3.38. am. I had 2 bottles of beer tonight so > >> > that's a big cut down for me. I know things have to get worse before they > >> get > >> > better, but I'm trying to get off this stuff as someone said these tablets > >> > give the same side effects as FM. > >> > On a good note, i am losing weight with the runs and being sick. Rhonda its > >> > funny but my ibs is caused by wheat and dairy products and spicy foods so i > >> > know what your saying.I am trying to get off these meds so i can try the > >> other > >> > meds you all recommend for FM. Its so easy to take the stuff from the docs > >> but > >> > much harder to leave them alone after-wards. I,m starting to think i have > >> cut > >> > back too fast but realise it could be the withdrawal wanting me to take > >> them > >> > again.I have stopped my multi vitamins, ginseng etc as well so having a > >> real > >> > good detox, just fruit, vegetables and water and a little real meat. > >> > If anyone needs any help by email, i,m here, i need to keep myself occupied > >> > without moving around too much at the moment. > >> > Just to cheer anyone up that cant sleep (like me) i was looking at a dvd >> > for > >> > sale that shows sheep jumping over a gate to help people sleep.You count >> > the > >> > sheep rather than having to imagine counting them in your head....whatever > >> > next > >> > Hope everyone has a good day tomorrow, if not then a better day than > >> today.... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >> > From: rsonby <rsonbygmail (DOT) com <mailto:rsonby% 40gmail.com> > > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com > >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 2:11:02 > >> > Subject: Re: New member saying hi > >> > > >> > Hi New member, I am kind of new here myself as I have been lurking for > >> awhile > >> > and I don't always have time to look at all my e-mail. I saw your post > >> though > >> > and felt I had to reply. I have fibromyalgia and IBS. I will tell you > >> > something that made my IBS go away and also helped a lot with the pain of > >> > Fibro. My doctor took blood samples and had them tested for what foods I >> > was > >> > sensitive to. It turns out I was sensitive to a lot. Wheat, Corn, milk, and > >> > chicken were the big ones. When I eliminated these foods from my diet my > >> pain > >> > levels went way down and my IBS went AWAY! The experts told me that it > >> didn't > >> > matter what I ate for the IBS, boy were they wrong! I would encourage you > >> to > >> > get your blood tested too. You might have to go to a naturalpathic doctor > >> for > >> > this as They MDs don't seem to know about this. > >> > > >> > I have started a new treatment for fibro which also works for a lot of > >> other > >> > problems too. Its called LDN or Low Dose Naltrexone. There have been > >> studies > >> > and a large number of people on the internet who are taking this and are > >> > having positive results. Even people with Multiple Sclerosis! My > >> > Naturalpathic doctor recommeded to me after a great success with a lupus > >> > patient. The only problem for you with this would be the narcotics. One can > >> > not take both at the same time. So Maybe, if you get off the narcotics you > >> > could try that. > >> > > >> > I hope this information is helpful. Good luck to you. > >> > > >> > Rhonda > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Jill, why are you going blind from cataracts? That is a simple operation that I am sure is covered by medicare. There is no need to suffer from the cataracts. My surgeries are in the next two weeks. Marsha Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Re: New member saying hi The book is called the Big Book quite fondly because when it was first published it was very thick. The actual title is Alcoholics Anonymous, the Basic Text for Alcoholics Anonymous. There are great on-line and face to face groups - even some for special interests, like one for people who are deaf or hard of hearing like me. I have FM/CFS, Celiac disease, I am quite deaf and going blind from cataracts. Jill in TX > > > > > > > > > > > i was also addicted 2 pills and alcohol 2 stop the pain, physical and > > mental/emotional! i overdosed and was in a coma 2 yrs ago. the problem is they > > put me back on norco and now skelaxin. doesnt help all the way but takes the > > edge off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Thats one of my to do things, looking up my ancestors,im not surprised you feel joy and a loving connection to them. Its them that made us,who we are today and its important to know where we originate from to give ourselves a sense of pride and belonging. I hope you discover someone really interesting or famous in your research. My Website http://www.simplytortoise.co.uk/ ________________________________ To: fibromyalgiacured Sent: Thursday, 3 September, 2009 0:47:37 Subject: Re: New member saying hi Chiming in here , one of the things that helps us is to know what our real purpose is in life. Dharma, what am I here to do. It can change or expand over time. When I'm doing it, I'm not as aware of the pain. For instance, I've begun my genealogy work for my ancestors and gotta tell ya - I feel such joy and relief and a loving connection to them. Jill in TX > > > > > > > > > > > I have lots of empathy for animals, sometimes too much.I have often walked up > > a driveway and a dog comes out teeth barred etc.I just say hello in a friendly > > voice and the dog will stop in its tracks, a minute later we will be best > > friends lol. Never been bitten yet lol. > > My wife is the healer in our house, one of the reasons i fell for her, one of > > her best qualities finding the good in everything and making the most of a bad > > situation. > > > > > > > > My Website > > http://www.simplyto rtoise.co. uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 You could be right about the healing bit Rosemary, i'm starting to heal myself slowly...... My Website http://www.simplytortoise.co.uk/ ________________________________ To: fibromyalgiacured Sent: Wednesday, 2 September, 2009 22:59:50 Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi See you keep telling us how you have this way with animals but then you say you are not a healer. I think you need to see what I see. Sometimes we see others as having power but never our own self. You have this power to heal whether you see it or not. That¹s my opinion. LOL you could maybe do something with that? It would be a rewarding effort I think. On 9/1/09 4:32 PM, " - " <simplytortoise@ rocketmail. com> wrote: > > > > > I have lots of empathy for animals, sometimes too much.I have often walked up > a driveway and a dog comes out teeth barred etc.I just say hello in a friendly > voice and the dog will stop in its tracks, a minute later we will be best > friends lol. Never been bitten yet lol. > My wife is the healer in our house, one of the reasons i fell for her, one of > her best qualities finding the good in everything and making the most of a bad > situation. > > > > My Website > http://www.simplyto rtoise.co. uk/ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Rosemarie Tropf <rosemarieintnet (DOT) net <mailto:rosemarie% 40intnet. net> > > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 17:10:11 > Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi > > I totally do not think that was crazy. Wow. That is an amazing story. I > think you and your wife and possibly your daughter ARE healers. We just > forget to pay attention to that stuff sometimes. All those animals that > find you? What does that mean to you.? > > When I say you are a healer I do not mean you have a certificate. I mean > you have the power as a healer so go get a certificate. You would do well. > You are a natural I think. You have all that empathy for other creatures > and humans as well. > > What do you think? > > > On 9/1/09 7:58 AM, " - " <simplytortoise@ rocketmail. com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > No i am not a healer, but i grow things with a natural instinct, i often >> > 'know' when a plant badly needs watering etc. A few weeks ago, i let the >> dog >> > out and walked to my greenhouse to open the door.There on the floor in the >> sun >> > was a juvenile bat,i nearly stood on it.I picked it up carefully and placed >> it >> > in my pocket without a second thought it might bite me or carry rabies >> (some >> > do in UK).It never hurt me while i checked its wings etc. for damage. We >> took >> > it to a bat rescue place so it could get professional care as it had bite >> > marks to it and couldnt fly. >> > A couple of months ago, i found an orphaned hedgehog crying for its mum in >> > daylight in the garden, (both of these i put on my website in the video >> > section) I released a toad hibernating in the greenhouse in March, released >> > several birds trapped in the greenhouse and helped several that fly into >> the >> > windows a few days ago. Animals do seem to 'find' me if sick or injured >> > though,i could never turn my back on an animal needing help lol >> > The strangest thing that has ever happened to me is when my grandma died, >> we >> > promised her we would call our next daughter after her.We kept our promise >> and >> > 6 weeks after our daughter was born i asked my wife to check on her at >> around >> > 3 in the morning which she did as something wasnt right. My wife fed her >> and >> > both fell asleep in our bed.I was woken with what i dreamt was an elbow in >> my >> > side waking me up. I also heard the message " check on your daughter " in my >> > grandmas voice. >> > I woke my wife up and asked her to pass me our daughter, something i have >> > never done while she was asleep. My wife wondered what was up with me, but >> > passed me our daughter. She stopped breathing within seconds of me holding >> > her. I was trying to get her breathing while my wife was frantic ringing an >> > ambulance. In the commotion, our eldest daughter came in our bedroom saying >> > she had a dream as well about our youngest daughter and wanted to know if >> she >> > was going to be ok. >> > She stopped breathing around 6 times before the ambulance arrived. After >> many >> > tests we found the flap of skin in her throat that moves when we drink >> > liquids or solids was floppy and letting liquids back up when she laid down >> > basically drowning her. Her throat muscles are fine now and forever owe our >> > gratitude to my grandma. >> > My wife on the other hand goes to spiritualist churches very ocasionally >> and >> > is forever told she has healing powers and has an Arabic guide to help her. I >> > have another story that's dificult to believe but thats another time before >> > you all think I'm crazy lol. >> > Hope this cheers anyone up feeling down. >> > >> > >> > >> > My Website >> > http://www.simplyto rtoise.co. uk/ >> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ >> > From: Rosemarie Tropf <rosemarieintnet (DOT) net <mailto:rosemarie% 40intnet. >> net> > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> >> > Sent: Monday, 31 August, 2009 16:38:05 >> > Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi >> > >> > That is a beautiful message from you . You are an example of the >> > wounded healer I think. You are a healer at heart but your wounds keep you >> > held back from your calling. Ever thought about that? Are you a healer? >> > Share that with the world as a goal? >> > Sincerely, >> > rosemarie >> > >> > On 8/31/09 5:41 AM, " - " <simplytortoise@ rocketmail. com> wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I,m really pleased the AA worked for you Joanne.I am managing to get >>>> off >> > the >>>> >> > meds and feeling better for it slowly. There is no chance i would go back >>> >> on >>>> >> > them after they are out of my system, that i do know. I haven't even seen >>> >> my >>>> >> > mother for over 13 years now and my father well i haven't seen him >>>> since he >>>> >> > was sent to prison for attempted murder of my mother and never want him >>> >> back >>>> >> > in my life ever. I hope one day your mother does get the help she >>>> needs, >> > but >>>> >> > sometimes people have to do it for themselves, you can drag a camel to >>> >> water, >>>> >> > but you cant make it drink lol. One day you might get your mother >>>> back, i >>> >> feel >>>> >> > for you. Stay strong, stay off the bad stuff and one day your mother >>>> might >>>> >> > take a leaf out of your book and go to AA. Everyday you are strong for >>>> >> > yourself, you are there, ready for your mum as well. >>>> >> > One day it might happen for you and i hope it does happen for >>>> you.Until >>> >> then >>>> >> > enjoy every day as it comes and try to dwell on the good things in >>>> life. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > My Website >>>> >> > http://www.simplyto rtoise.co. uk/ >>>> >> > >>>> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ >>>> >> > From: Joanne Ford <joannesford@ yahoo.co. uk <mailto:joannesford >>>> %40yahoo. >>> >> co.uk> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>> >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com >>>> >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> >>>> >> > Sent: Sunday, 30 August, 2009 18:00:12 >>>> >> > Subject: Re: Re: New member saying hi >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I know that when i used to ask my mom to attend AA she would get very >>>> >> > insulted. I think she thought that the people there were all 'wino's' that >>>> >> > lived on the streets and had no moral fibre. When i went to AA to ask what > I >>>> >> > should do about her drinking they invited me in and i was amazed. They were >>>> >> > the most beautiful people i had ever met. I asked them how have you been >>> >> able >>>> >> > to transform your lives to the point were ot only are you not abusive but >>> >> you >>>> >> > are so stable and have so much to give. They said, the time had come when >>> >> we >>>> >> > simply could not continue with our addictio, we had tried to do it >>>> alone, >>> >> and >>>> >> > failed and failed and failed. Giving up the drink was ot the problem, they >>> >> had >>>> >> > all detoxed over and over again, it was the staying sober they >>>> struggled >>> >> with. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > They advised me to go to Alanon, which i did. There i found lots of >>>> people >>>> >> > like myself, some had addiction trouble with food and so on, and >>>> others >>> >> were >>>> >> > simply struggling with depression and anxiety. Basically what they >>>> told me >>> >> was >>>> >> > that where there is dysfunction, drugs, alcohol, gambling what ever >>>> there >>> >> is >>>> >> > usually one person that sinks and recovers and sinks and recovers and >>> >> several >>>> >> > other people around that person who dances along with them >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I know that this was true for me. I so wanted my mom to get well. She >>>> would >>> >> go >>>> >> > on a bender dringking, phoning me up telling me she was desparate and >>>> could >>>> >> > not cope, that she was in emotional and physical pain, that she just >>>> wanted >>> >> to >>>> >> > end it all, next she would be sober telling me she was now strong and >>>> >> > certainly would not drink again. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I did actually believe her. She was a good woman and she looked after us >>> >> well >>>> >> > when she was sober, but something would happen, like somebody going in >>>> >> > hospital or smoething and she could not cope and she would drink >>>> again. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > When this happened i would feel so bad for her i kow she was ill and >>>> could >>> >> not >>>> >> > help it but as the years went by she began to loose the will to 'give up' >>> >> and >>>> >> > ended up drunk all the time. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > With her drinking a lot of cruelty came. She had no idea how abusive she >>> >> was, >>>> >> > she could not remember. Then when she was sober (which bega to be >>>> rare) she >>>> >> > would change back to that sweet loving person, i so desparately needed in >>> >> my >>>> >> > life. I stood by my mom for over 20 years with her drinking, believing that >>>> >> > one day she would get well. During that time i developed Fibromyalgia and >>> >> as i >>>> >> > became more and more poorly the more my moms drinking became very >>>> difficult >>> >> to >>>> >> > cope with >>>> >> > >>>> >> > My mom still drinks and she will never go to AA. She says she is not like >>> >> the >>>> >> > drunkards in there. But like i said earlier the people in AA are not >>>> >> > drunkards, they really are not. They are couragous people who had the >>> >> backbone >>>> >> > to face up to the fact that they could not give up alcohol and stay >>>> sober >>> >> for >>>> >> > more than a few months or so. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I have many friends that are in AA. These people are a blessing to me. They >>>> >> > have helped me no end with my own addiction problems. There is no way >>>> my >> > mom >>>> >> > could help me like these people had. All my mom new was how to drink >>> >> herself >>>> >> > into oblivion and then sober up for a week or two and then do it all over >>>> >> > again. She would tell me over and over that this time was the last time >>> >> that >>>> >> > she would not drink again, but she always did. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > The people in AA told me that they made the same promises to their >>>> families >>>> >> > and did give up for months sometimes, and then one day, for what ever >>> >> reason >>>> >> > they just drank again. It was only by attending AA that they had >>>> achieved >>> >> long >>>> >> > term soberiety. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I listened eagerly. They taught me thousands of ways to give up and >>>> stay >> > off >>>> >> > addictive substances. I now do not smoke, nor drink diet coke around the >>>> >> > clock, drink caffeine or binge on carbs. Before i new these people in >>> >> recovery >>>> >> > i always went back to my addictions >>>> >> > >>>> >> > It is hard to understand how 12 Step meetings can help both the addict and >>>> >> > their family members but they do. They help people understand why they get >>>> >> > addicted and why even though they are strong detemined people they >>>> still go >>>> >> > back to their 'drug'. The processes involved i this a difficult to >>> >> understand >>>> >> > and i cannot explain them here, but once the penny drops with this >>> >> addiction >>>> >> > thing, everything changes and all of a sudden you can go through life >>> >> without >>>> >> > returning to the substance. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > It is not the getting off the stuff that is hard it is the stayig off it >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Joanne >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Thanks for everyone's help. I stopped the diazepam and > the sleeping >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > 3 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > days ago and cut myself down from 60 mg a day of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine to 40mg a >> > day >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > yesterday. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > The pain is bad, i'm hoping its from the cut back of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> morphine, have >> > the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> runs, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > runny nose and feel like i have a dozen ferrets >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> squirming around in >> > my >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > stomach. After being on diazepam for years my nerves are > a mess, im >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> dropping >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > things, jumping at every noise and my vision is being >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> affected, the >> > walls >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> look >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > to be moving. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Its only when i come off these tablets that i realise i > need them >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> to sleep, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > i,m wide awake right now at 3.38. am. I had 2 bottles of > beer >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tonight so >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > that's a big cut down for me. I know things have to get > worse >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> before they >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> get >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > better, but I'm trying to get off this stuff as someone > said these >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> tablets >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > give the same side effects as FM. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > On a good note, i am losing weight with the runs and > being sick. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Rhonda its >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > funny but my ibs is caused by wheat and dairy products > and spicy >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods so i >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > know what your saying.I am trying to get off these meds > so i can >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> try the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > meds you all recommend for FM. Its so easy to take the > stuff from >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> the docs >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> but >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > much harder to leave them alone after-wards. I,m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> starting to think >> > i have >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> cut >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > back too fast but realise it could be the withdrawal >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wanting me to >> > take >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> them >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > again.I have stopped my multi vitamins, ginseng etc as > well so >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> having a >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> real >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > good detox, just fruit, vegetables and water and a > little real >> > meat. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > If anyone needs any help by email, i,m here, i need to > keep myself >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> occupied >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > without moving around too much at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Just to cheer anyone up that cant sleep (like me) i was > looking at >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> a dvd >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > for >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sale that shows sheep jumping over a gate to help people > sleep.You >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> count >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sheep rather than having to imagine counting them in > your >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> head....whatever >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > next >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hope everyone has a good day tomorrow, if not then a > better day >> > than >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> today.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > From: rsonby <rsonbygmail (DOT) com <mailto:rsonby% >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > To: fibromyalgiacured@ yahoogroups. com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > <mailto:fibromyalgi acured%40yahoogr oups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 2:11:02 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Subject: Re: New member saying hi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Hi New member, I am kind of new here myself as I have > been lurking >> > for >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> awhile >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and I don't always have time to look at all my e-mail. I > saw your >> > post >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> though >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and felt I had to reply. I have fibromyalgia and IBS. I > will tell >> > you >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > something that made my IBS go away and also helped a lot > with the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> pain of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Fibro. My doctor took blood samples and had them tested > for what >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> foods I >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > was >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > sensitive to. It turns out I was sensitive to a lot. > Wheat, Corn, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> milk, and >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > chicken were the big ones. When I eliminated these foods > from my >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> diet my >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> pain >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > levels went way down and my IBS went AWAY! The experts > told me that >> > it >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > matter what I ate for the IBS, boy were they wrong! I > would >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> encourage you >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> to >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > get your blood tested too. You might have to go to a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> naturalpathic >> > doctor >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> for >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > this as They MDs don't seem to know about this. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I have started a new treatment for fibro which also >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> works for a lot >> > of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> other >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > problems too. Its called LDN or Low Dose Naltrexone. > There have >> > been >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> > >> studies >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > and a large number of people on the internet who are > taking this >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> and are >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > having positive results. Even people with Multiple >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sclerosis! My >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Naturalpathic doctor recommeded to me after a great >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> success with a >> > lupus >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > patient. The only problem for you with this would be the > narcotics. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> One can >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > not take both at the same time. So Maybe, if you get off > the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> narcotics you >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > could try that. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > I hope this information is helpful. Good luck to you. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > Rhonda >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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