Re: Adrenal questions, adrenenalin shots

[Guest guest]

Hi Sam,

To use the cache feature of Google, Google the site you want and then

when you see the link under Google there may be a link that says

" Cached " , click that and it will take you to the snapshot that google

took on a certain day. For the link below of the tuberose.com site

the snapshot was taken 12/15/2007

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:dD4FrhC5sYwJ:www.tuberose.com/+www.tuberose\

..com & hl=en & ct=clnk & cd=1 & gl=us

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:w_9HpGgMmy8J:www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Gland\

s.html+tuberose+adrenal+glands & hl=en & ct=clnk & cd=1 & gl=us

Kathy

> >>

> >> It really would be better if you stayed

> >> off the HC for the 24 hours before you

> >> did the saliva cortisol testing.

> >>

> >> Sounds to me like your cortisol may be fine

> >> in the morning but drop too low after that.

> >> But that darn saliva testing will tell you

> >> for sure. <wink>

> >>

> >> As for the tuberose article, I usually just

> >> go to www.tuberose.com then click on " articles "

> >> then scroll to the adrenal gland article. There

> >> are some amazing articles on that site...about

> >> blew me away... You should read the thyroid

> >> article...Woo EEE

> >>

> >> Sam

>

[Guest guest]

Let's see if I can solve the mystery...

I suspect once your cortisol levels are back to normal, your testosterone

level will also normalize. I know someone with similar cortisol rhythm who

doses herself 10mg in the morning, 7.5mg at noon, and 2.5mg in the late

afternoon/early evening.

Your DHEA is below midrange while testosterone is high. This can be an

indicator of adrenal problems, too...obviously it is for you. I hope you

will have your aldosterone/renin also tested (blood test) as it is as

important as cortisol for the body.

www.stopthetyroidmadness.com/aldosterone

Ahhh, you mentioned TSI antibodies? Soooo, you are also iodine deficient,

eh? Are you taking Iodoral or Lugol's Solution? Probably not, since your

adrenals are not yet addressed. Thyroid function can affect sex hormones

big time.

TSI is " Thyroid Stimulating Immunoglobulin " , which is basically TSH

receptor antibodies. TSH is " Thyroid Stimulating Hormone " and it prompts

the thyroid to produce more thyroid hormones when there is a need in the

body for more (the hypothalmus kind of figures all this out and then tells

the pituitary to send or not send TSH to the thyroid gland). TSI targets

the TSH receptors on the thyroid, Binds and activates the TSH receptors in

the Thyroid. This can happen when iodine no longer binds to thyroid cells,

in Iodine Deficiency.

Sam

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> Hello Kathy:

> Your advice is much appreciated. I am going to meet with my

> pharmacist/nutritionist sometime over the holiday to see what to

> do. I'm reading Jefferies' book and I think I may be one of those

> women with an " over androgen " production..which, theoretically,

> cortisol should help. I am being so careful because I've had some

> severe mood symptoms when hormones tip (both manic-like AND

> depressive) and right now, my head is above water (if only slightly)

> and I want to keep it that way..I've posted my latest levels on the

> old STTM site (just got latest ASI back from Diagnos-Techs

> yesterday) and they are as follows:

>

> Cortisol

> 7-8 - 3 Depressed (13-24)

> 11-12 - 4 Depressed (5-10)* * forgot and ate chocolate or this might

> 4-5 - 2 Depressed (3-8)* have even been worse.

> 11-12 2 Normal (1-4)

>

> DHEA - 6 Normal (3-10)

>

> Won't bore you with sex hormones..very low and interestingly 17-OHP

> is much lower as well , but free T is high normal.

>

> Serum levels of AM cortisol are low normalish; sex hormones low;

> DHEAs finally down to what I think is more normal for me (144), but

> testosterone and especially free T is high normal and elevated

> respectively.

>

> Am so, so frustrated. Have been trying to work with this for 4 years

> now and I am such an oddball case I feel like a freak of nature.

> Again, my worst symptom is " racing " when I add in estrogen..feeling

> manicky. Seems to correlate with increased androgens and TSI Ab's.

> Help is appreciated from anyone/everyone.

> Avi

[Guest guest]

Hi Avi,

I noticed you have TSI Ab. I do also. Just be aware that iodine can

trigger going hyperT or Grave's, as many on the Grave's forum can

attest. I cannot tolerate iodine, and I also have Hashi's.

There are people without Hashi's or TSI Ab that will tell you to take

iodine, but perhaps that's because they've never experienced the scary

experience of going hyper and having to go to the ER, feeling like

you're going to die.

Since you seem to tend to go manic, definitely be careful with iodine.

>

> Hello Kathy:

> Your advice is much appreciated. I am going to meet with my

> pharmacist/nutritionist sometime over the holiday to see what to

> do. I'm reading Jefferies' book and I think I may be one of those

> women with an " over androgen " production..which, theoretically,

> cortisol should help. I am being so careful because I've had some

> severe mood symptoms when hormones tip (both manic-like AND

> depressive) and right now, my head is above water (if only slightly)

> and I want to keep it that way..I've posted my latest levels on the

> old STTM site (just got latest ASI back from Diagnos-Techs

> yesterday) and they are as follows:

>

> Cortisol

> 7-8 - 3 Depressed (13-24)

> 11-12 - 4 Depressed (5-10)* * forgot and ate chocolate or this might

> 4-5 - 2 Depressed (3-8)* have even been worse.

> 11-12 2 Normal (1-4)

>

> DHEA - 6 Normal (3-10)

>

> Won't bore you with sex hormones..very low and interestingly 17-OHP

> is much lower as well , but free T is high normal.

>

> Serum levels of AM cortisol are low normalish; sex hormones low;

> DHEAs finally down to what I think is more normal for me (144), but

> testosterone and especially free T is high normal and elevated

> respectively.

>

> Am so, so frustrated. Have been trying to work with this for 4 years

> now and I am such an oddball case I feel like a freak of nature.

> Again, my worst symptom is " racing " when I add in estrogen..feeling

> manicky. Seems to correlate with increased androgens and TSI Ab's.

> Help is appreciated from anyone/everyone.

> Avi

>

[Guest guest]

That's not the norm, and not just people with antibodies

can experience that issue. 'Properly' treating weak adrenals,

a person may be able to avoid an issue like that entirely.

Really really really really really...

Sam

(thyroidless, ovaryless, oidized, adn Armour-ized)

=====

> Hi Avi,

> I noticed you have TSI Ab. I do also. Just be aware that iodine can

> trigger going hyperT or Grave's, as many on the Grave's forum can

> attest. I cannot tolerate iodine, and I also have Hashi's.

>

> There are people without Hashi's or TSI Ab that will tell you to take

> iodine, but perhaps that's because they've never experienced the scary

> experience of going hyper and having to go to the ER, feeling like

> you're going to die.

>

> Since you seem to tend to go manic, definitely be careful with iodine.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sam,

While it's debatable whether or not it's the norm, if you are the one

that experiences the frightening symptoms, statistics don't matter.

And there's enough people that have posted about having this happen

that it appears more common than you think.

>

> That's not the norm, and not just people with antibodies

> can experience that issue. 'Properly' treating weak adrenals,

> a person may be able to avoid an issue like that entirely.

> Really really really really really...

>

> Sam

> (thyroidless, ovaryless, oidized, adn Armour-ized)

>

>

[Guest guest]

And of course that's why the caution is given about addressing adrenals

before starting the process of reversing an iodine deficiency.

Sam

(deja vu-ing)

=====

> Sam,

> While it's debatable whether or not it's the norm, if you are the one

> that experiences the frightening symptoms, statistics don't matter.

> And there's enough people that have posted about having this happen

> that it appears more common than you think.

>

>

>

>

>>

>> That's not the norm, and not just people with antibodies

>> can experience that issue. 'Properly' treating weak adrenals,

>> a person may be able to avoid an issue like that entirely.

>> Really really really really really...

>>

>> Sam

>> (thyroidless, ovaryless, oidized, adn Armour-ized)

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, sometimes addressing adrenal issues will help, but many times it

does not. Regardless of what anyone does, some people just cannot

tolerate iodine, and hashi people and those positive for TSI Ab are

particularly sensitive, as many of us have discovered the hard way.

> >>

> >> That's not the norm, and not just people with antibodies

> >> can experience that issue. 'Properly' treating weak adrenals,

> >> a person may be able to avoid an issue like that entirely.

> >> Really really really really really...

> >>

> >> Sam

> >> (thyroidless, ovaryless, oidized, adn Armour-ized)

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

True, not every person can tolerate iodine/iodide supplemtation, even tho

it's presence in the human body is required to remain alive. But adrenaly

speaking, in general, it can be that only low cortisol is addressed and

not accompanying low aldosterone. In fact, it's rare that anyone even

thinks to test for low aldosterone. I just went thru this myself. Imagine

my surprise when I realized my " healed " adrenals really weren't healed at

all. Wonder why I all of a sudden started mentioning both adrenal

hormones? Because even I wasn't aware of the need to test both previous to

a few months ago.

<slapping self on forehead> It also answered my question as to why some

humans with antibodies seemed to have inordinate issues taking

iodine/iodide. It was an " AHA " moment when that particular mystery was

solved...

Sam

(finally on a whole tab of 0.1mg/day fludrocortisone)

=====

> Yes, sometimes addressing adrenal issues will help, but many times it

> does not. Regardless of what anyone does, some people just cannot

> tolerate iodine, and hashi people and those positive for TSI Ab are

> particularly sensitive, as many of us have discovered the hard way.

>

>

>

>

>> >>

>> >> That's not the norm, and not just people with antibodies

>> >> can experience that issue. 'Properly' treating weak adrenals,

>> >> a person may be able to avoid an issue like that entirely.

>> >> Really really really really really...

>> >>

>> >> Sam

>> >> (thyroidless, ovaryless, oidized, adn Armour-ized)

>> >>

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks to both Sam and for your help. (And Kathy, you too, as

always) I am intrigued by iodine, but like , am VERY cautious

about using it. The times that I have in supplements or otherwise

have not been good. Adrenal support may help, I'm hoping..but I'm

worried that " wired " feeling will get worse and that is the primary

thing that I would like to get rid of. I seem to be very sensitive

to anything that increases epi/norepi (but yet at times need it).

Both of you might also be interested in reading Nutritional

Protocol where, if I understand him correctly, COPPER has to be

stabilized, before adding iodine. I'm still not getting totally

satisfactory answers on this..but am researching.

I'm just curious about where on earth to start. I have just had a

less than positive experience with Vliet on this whole thing. She

changed my Armour to Synthroid and lowered the dose..but eventually

same thing happened..(not sure where cortisol levels fell in AM but

noon level checked during " racing " was 7.5; again TSI/androgens also

elevated).

Are there ANY good/top doc recommendations in N.C. My D.O. is good

about followup,will do the testing I ask, but is not really sure

about what to do in this instance. I have a good pharmacist who is

also a CCN and very into this kind of thing, but we've yet to figure

anything out either.

I'm hoping that I do not have to resort to a mood-stabilizer before

I add in my estrogen. Comments on that, successes or failures would

also be appreciated.

Thank you all again for your help and answers. Much appreciated.

Avi

[Guest guest]

Dr Flechas who is one of the top iodine docs and also does natural thyroid hormones is in N.C. www.helpmythryoid.com is his website. I met him when I spoke at the iodine conference in CA (where he spoke as well). I had dinner with him one night and he seemed very nice.

Re: Adrenal questions, adrenenalin shots

Thanks to both Sam and for your help. (And Kathy, you too, as always) I am intrigued by iodine, but like , am VERY cautious about using it. The times that I have in supplements or otherwise have not been good. Adrenal support may help, I'm hoping..but I'm worried that "wired" feeling will get worse and that is the primary thing that I would like to get rid of. I seem to be very sensitive to anything that increases epi/norepi (but yet at times need it). Both of you might also be interested in reading Nutritional Protocol where, if I understand him correctly, COPPER has to be stabilized, before adding iodine. I'm still not getting totally satisfactory answers on this..but am researching. I'm just curious about where on earth to start. I have just had a less than positive experience with Vliet on this whole thing. She changed my Armour to Synthroid and lowered the dose..but eventually same thing happened..(not sure where cortisol levels fell in AM but noon level checked during "racing" was 7.5; again TSI/androgens also elevated).Are there ANY good/top doc recommendations in N.C. My D.O. is good about followup,will do the testing I ask, but is not really sure about what to do in this instance. I have a good pharmacist who is also a CCN and very into this kind of thing, but we've yet to figure anything out either.I'm hoping that I do not have to resort to a mood-stabilizer before I add in my estrogen. Comments on that, successes or failures would also be appreciated.Thank you all again for your help and answers. Much appreciated.Avi

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ..I'll look into her website!

> >

> > Thanks, . Dr. Flechas is listed in Brownstein's book

but is

> > in ville (in the mountains about 5 hours away). Coast

or

> > even Southern/Southeastern VA would be closer. Can you think of

> > anyone else?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ..I'll look into her website!

> >

> > Thanks, . Dr. Flechas is listed in Brownstein's book

but is

> > in ville (in the mountains about 5 hours away). Coast

or

> > even Southern/Southeastern VA would be closer. Can you think of

> > anyone else?

> >

>